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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => New Info => Topic started by: Triangle Choke on July 13, 2004, 05:38:00 PM
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If your son was being abused there could he tell you? Could he get outside help if he needed it?
If a labotomy would fix your son would you try it?
If you have given up and sent your son to Ivy Ridge, what makes you think that staff members who have not given birth to your son and have no vested long term stake in his future will be more patient than you?
When you did your research on this program did you look at all opinions? Did you ask to speak with parents of successful Graduates? (I'm sure they were paraded in front of you) Did you ask to speak with parents who removed the children from the program?
Have you thoroughly reviewed the qualifications of the staff?
Will your son eventually conform to get through the program? Or will the forced coercion one day inspire a true change of heart? Will this help bring you together as family 5 years from now or will this be a devisive wedge that always rips you apart?
Is your son smart? Do you want your son to learn how to be even more manipulative?
Do you believe that Pavlonian re-education is an appropriate means to change him?
Do you believe that the ends justify the means?
Will you be proud of your son if he stands up for himself and fights the program's manipulation and punitive reward system? Or would you be more proud if he caves in and pretends to work the program to graduate as a repressed sociopath?
Will this permanently kill the mother child bond? and If it did would you go through with it anyway?
Do you believe that you share in responsibility for anything that happens to him there?
I will keep your family in my prayers. I know that you love your son very much. Desperate and frightened parents do desperate things. Unfortunately many places like Ivy Ridge know how to market to desperate parents....that is their business....you are also probably WASP and middle class to upper middle class.....and fit their target niche squarely. You are still responsible for what happens to your son in there.......YOU WILL NEVER KNOW THE TRUTH UNTIL HE IS AN ADULT AND FEELS SECURE THAT YOU CAN'T PUT HIM BACK IN A PLACE LIKE THAT AGAIN AND HE MAY HATE YOU FOR IT! From what I know about succesful recovery is that it starts with personal responsibility...........that can not be forced or coerced. You can't beat it into someone by controlling every facet of their life........you can't control his heart into submission. I pray that your son fights to keep his sanity and does not repress his hate, I pray that anger/hatred/fear does not torment him the rest of his life long after your parental responsibilities are finished.
[ This Message was edited by: Triangle Choke on 2004-07-13 15:05 ]
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What do you know about Ivy Ridge, the employees, have you ever been there or talked to someone who has been there?
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Anonymous,
My above questions are something every mother and father should think over good and hard before sending a child into any coercive program. They should also look specifically into the accounting and financials of these programs. Just because a program advertises its not for profit, doesn't mean that the executives who may happen to be lacking in legitimate professional credentials, aren't making a ton of money with most of their normal living expenses paid for. I would also look into the the political contributions that the executives of WWASP and WWASP affiliated programs have made. Why do not for profit programs who are so interested in helping kids need to cover their asses by making political contributions ????
I know a little about AIR but I am no expert. If you are truly interested, I suggest that you talk to James Hunt from the New York State Police Department or the local FBI office to maybe get a more unbiased opinion than mine about the employees and former victims. If you are from AIR or WWASP, I understand that you may want to protect your cash cow; I will keep you in my prayers. KNOW THIS: There were many well meaning Polish Christians and Catholics in 1944 Poland when the Nazi's took over. Their priests and ministers convinced them that they were good people and victims every Sunday morning.....the polish people still share in the responsibility for the Holocaust.
If interested also look at the following websites:
http://www.isaccorp.com/wwasp.html (http://www.isaccorp.com/wwasp.html)
http://www.isaccorp.com/wwasp/ivyridge/IvyRidgeNews.pdf (http://www.isaccorp.com/wwasp/ivyridge/IvyRidgeNews.pdf)
http://www.isaccorp.com/wwasp/ivyridge/directortext.pdf (http://www.isaccorp.com/wwasp/ivyridge/directortext.pdf)
Look into Casa by the sea for abuse stories....LOL.....I can't believe the director actually cites this as a credential he is proud of....
[ This Message was edited by: Triangle Choke on 2004-07-14 10:16 ]
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If you can't give specific information about this place, why would I believe you.
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Believe me about??? My original post and thread are to the mother of a son who is in the AIR program. I have asked her a set of questions. My questions are meant to provoke thought. Unfortuately desperate hurting parents.....sometimes fail to make cogent decisions. Just like desperate hurting kids fail to exercise good judgement. Many organizations are aware of this and prey on these desperate families (as long as they have $$$$) Try getting a grant from these so called Do good Christians. I think parents should do better due diligence rather then accepting information as presented to them.
Your response is sillyness. I'm not bashing your beloved program only suggesting more thought and research. Get all the facts and make your own decision. Then logically explain your premises and conclusions.....WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD THAT BE A BAD THING. When you go to buy a new car do you expect a Ford salesman to tell you that the Dodge dealer down the street has better price performance ratios for the same class of car? This program may do more harm than good in many cases........Would you really expect to see that posted on their website?
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Hey everyone, i am a 16 year old who was actually at the place for a year. If you wanna know anything about it write me at [email protected]