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General Interest => Open Free for All => Topic started by: Anonymous on December 22, 2008, 01:17:47 AM
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Parents tend to assume people who went through programs deserved it for some reason, like all of you are a bunch of drug addicts or alcoholics or something with an axe to grind because they program failed you.
I was wondering how many of you remain sober for any significant amount of time? Are you addicted to any drugs? Do you like to remain "high" most of the day, or do you stay sober for the most part? Are you an alcoholic and like to stay wasted almost all the time?
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Oh I ain't sober. When I aint a guzzlin' the vino and sniffin' the methane from ma cows, I'm a recruitin' other wretched druggies for ma landmark forum gig, inbetwixt the referrin' I do for Sue-Sue on the side. I'm livin' the life, I tell ya!
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Not a drug user. I drink on occasion, socially.
But honestly I think "doing drugs" can be kind of a gray area. For instance would "doing drugs" automatically prevent you from being a responsible, respectful and successful adult? What about those who have mastered the art of moderation? What about those who only use "drugs" medicinally and futhermore what about those drugs that have no negative side effects and really SHOULD be legal in the states?
Does the fact that someone "does drugs" really determine if they deserved to go to the program?
My opinion is that NO CHILD should be sent to a program for using drugs. I really don't think its very possible for a teenager to be abusing drugs, experimenting yes, using yes but abusing? that takes time, money and an adult sized addiction. I think that the few and far between teenagers that are TRULY in need of an intervention should get professional medical help, a rehab possibly but this needs to be THEIR choice. I also think it is possible for a parent to help a kid get off drugs, and encourage them to find a reason not to continue to use. What I'm referring to would be the fabled "Parenting Technique"
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Parents tend to assume people who went through programs deserved it for some reason, like all of you are a bunch of drug addicts or alcoholics or something with an axe to grind because they program failed you.
I was wondering how many of you remain sober for any significant amount of time? Are you addicted to any drugs? Do you like to remain "high" most of the day, or do you stay sober for the most part? Are you an alcoholic and like to stay wasted almost all the time?
Don't drink except with my family at dinner parties, don't do any drugs (all this despite the fact that while in program they convinced me I was an alcoholic). Not because of some twisted fear of dead-insane-in-jail. Not because of fear of addiction. Simply because it is my choice at this point in my life. I respect the choices of those who choose otherwise as well.
All in all I fail to see the relevance of the question. What does what's in a person's body have to do with the validity of their arguments online... Or is this some sort of survey with which to pre-judge the group here?
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Parents tend to assume people who went through programs deserved it for some reason, like all of you are a bunch of drug addicts or alcoholics or something with an axe to grind because they program failed you.
I was wondering how many of you remain sober for any significant amount of time? Are you addicted to any drugs? Do you like to remain "high" most of the day, or do you stay sober for the most part? Are you an alcoholic and like to stay wasted almost all the time?
Don't drink. Please don't blame AA for this, though. It's not their fault, I guarantee that (http://http://www.morerevealed.com/library/coc/chapter7.htm). One technicality short of a full blown cult (http://http://www.morerevealed.com/library/coc/chaptr10.htm) that organization is.
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I find that life is much harder when I'm sober, which isn't very often. :dose: :poison:
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My opinion is that NO CHILD should be sent to a program for using drugs. I really don't think its very possible for a teenager to be abusing drugs, experimenting yes, using yes but abusing? that takes time, money and an adult sized addiction. I think that the few and far between teenagers that are TRULY in need of an intervention should get professional medical help, a rehab possibly but this needs to be THEIR choice. I also think it is possible for a parent to help a kid get off drugs, and encourage them to find a reason not to continue to use. What I'm referring to would be the fabled "Parenting Technique"
I wholeheartedly agree with this, it's ludicrous. Teens are abused in the name of "treatment," and citizens are criminalized when they don't have to be; it's downright absurd!
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Social drinker who can only handle about 1/2 of anything. Drug addicted (?) not by choice. Live in pain and and need meds. AA went for 20+ years on and off. Might go again. Who knows. They sure as hell don't miss you when you are gone, I can tell you that. When they see you they want the dirt on your life and assume you are on hardcore drugs. It is asinine. I stopped meetings due to the narcissism. I think the program has some good parts and some really bad parts. I am wary of cults. Very wary. If pain went away tomorrow would I go into detox just to detox yes, but I would not go to t treatment. I have done detox before without program abuse and it was fine and helped me, but then I developed pain due to something else. I like the initial buzz, but it does not last. Probably will attempt detox soon.
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AM I SOBER? fuck yeah ,when I want to drink, I will though. Dont get high anymore,I always thought when I get old Ill start smokin weed again.Havent done narcotics in 20+ yrs,
no fucking thanks to straight,the idea of treatment was like a pinata at a mexican wedding. :nods:
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before the program i never used drugs or drank.
now i drink for social reasons about once a month if that, only got drunk once due to flashbacks, and smoke cigs thats it, no drugs still to this day.
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Parents tend to assume people who went through programs deserved it for some reason, like all of you are a bunch of drug addicts or alcoholics or something with an axe to grind because they program failed you.
I was wondering how many of you remain sober for any significant amount of time? Are you addicted to any drugs? Do you like to remain "high" most of the day, or do you stay sober for the most part? Are you an alcoholic and like to stay wasted almost all the time?
Firstly, there is no axe to grind because the program "failed" me....the program was never capable of not failing me...the program was a fundamental failure itself. There is no such thing as a program based on these models that is anything other than a failure.
Secondly, define "sober". I am not "sober" because I was never an addict to begin with...me and probably a good 80-90 percent of the kids who ever went to the program. You dont give alot of choices here either. High most of the day? Drunk almost all the time? Are you one of those people who still think pot is a gateway drug to hardcore heroin use?
Try this one on.....I have been "sober" all my life and continue to drink, smoke, and partake of the illicit substance from time to time.
Do you have kids? Do you feed them processed refined sugar all of the time or do you occasionally give them vegetables? Do you let them drink carbonated beverages daily that reduce their systems to the equivalent of formaldehyde over time or do you like the idea of saving your childrens health and vitality somewhat?
Drugs, sobriety, food, sex, automatic weapons....its all relative......YOU are asking the wrong questions.
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I AM clean & sober for the first time in a really long time and it feels GREAT! Went to a meeting last night that had musicians jamming for the whole time...it was fucking great!
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I AM clean & sober for the first time in a really long time and it feels GREAT! Went to a meeting last night that had musicians jamming for the whole time...it was fucking great!
Be careful with AA/NA, in many cases it can do more harm than good (yes, really).
Read these links for more information on the sucess rates of AA/NA:
http://www.morerevealed.com/library/coc/chapter7.htm (http://www.morerevealed.com/library/coc/chapter7.htm)
http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-effectiveness.html (http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-effectiveness.html)
Pay special attention to the bit on bingeing.
In a sophisticated controlled study of A.A.'s effectiveness (Brandsma et. al.), court-mandated offenders who had been sent to Alcoholics Anonymous for several months were engaging in FIVE TIMES as much binge drinking as another group of alcoholics who got no treatment at all, and the A.A. group was doing NINE TIMES as much binge drinking as another group of alcoholics who got rational behavior therapy.
Those results are almost unbelievable, but are easy to understand -- when you are drunk, it's easy to rationalize drinking some more by saying,
"Oh well, A.A. says that I'm powerless over alcohol. I can't control it, so there is no sense in trying. I'm doomed, because I already took a drink. I'm screwed, because I already lost all of my sober time. Might as well just relax and enjoy it. Pass that bottle over here, buddy."
It's also easy to rationalize taking the first drink with,
"I'm powerless. I can't help it. The Big Book says that I have no defense against those strange mental blank spots (http://http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-effectiveness.html#blank_spot) when I'll drink again. Bottoms up!"
Outpatient Treatment of Alcoholism, by Jeffrey Brandsma, Maxie Maultsby, and Richard J. Welsh. University Park Press, Baltimore, MD., page 105.
There are alternatives to AA with far higher sucess rates. For your long-term well-being, I would suggest doing some research into that.
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I'm sober at this very moment, but I do drink. That doesn't make me an alcoholic, it just makes me drunk sometimes. :) I do not use drugs. I abuse the hell out of aspirin though, nicotine and caffeine. I didn't do drugs before Roloff's, or drink, although I did smoke occasionally. I was too young for that kind of thing at the time. I don't 'need' alcohol on a regular basis...I do occasionally need it after a bad day at work. I NEED caffeine though, and nicotine.
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Drugs? My life wouldn't be complete without them........
Some people use drugs to help them deal with life's pain, sometimes it's Jesus Christ, other folks use cocaine........
Personally, I like to get behind a big bowl of cannabis (NOT a drug) and drink a couple of brews (definitely a drug).
Who gives a flying fuck anyway what I smoke, eat, drink, shoot, or snort?
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I went to CEDU, which is really wasn't a rehab based program, but they still propel the baloney that if you tried drugs you are on your way to druggie hell. Whether you toked never, sometimes, or often, one of the favorite contrivances for CEDU staff was telling your folks you were on your way to druggie hell unless you remain in the program for the duration. (They loved the word duration. "You are here for the DURATION!")
Anyway, I never did have a drug problem, but I experimented it on a take it or leave it level as a kid, got really turned off by watching habitual tweakers at work and just never really cared enough to pursue it. I just don't really have a "pull" toward drugs and alcohol. I probably drink 8 glasses of vino dispersed a month (not at the same time), toke 0 to 2 times year since my early twenties,haven't put anything up my nose since BEFORE CEDU (those co-working tweakers REALLY turned me off), haven't tried shrooms since I was 17, and tried X once in my 20s.
I think society in general is overmedicated, and the people telling you to be sober might often be on any number of prescribed meds. Capitalized drug dependency is always encouraged. It's the American Way.
My feeling is that one person's toke is another person's Prozac. I also really have a hard time buying alcoholism/drug addiction as a disease. Not to see there aren't predisposing factors and sensitivities. But when people talk about their "disease" it makes me want to yak.
I think some people do certain drugs for transcendent experiences. Can't blame them for that. I'm too afraid to transcend due to the already transcendently disturbing nature of my dreams. There is no question in my mind that hallicinogens would give me a bad trip. None. So, I'll leave the trips for heightened awareness to those who can handle them.
My Mom just joined AA. She does not have a drinking problem. Its like that Will and Grace episode where Grace wanders into the wrong meeting and enjoys the support and validation too much to admit she's not an alcoholic. So, she keeps up the charade. I think going to AA is Mom's way of validating her need to express her feelings and resentments after her WASP upbringing (which views venting as indulgence). It's too bad she has to declare herself an alcoholic in order to do this, though.
I remember one sister of a friend who tried tweak ONCE and immediately enrolled in some equivalent to AA. Her rationale was she was an addict stopping the spiral before it started. She went daily for years. Maybe she still goes. I think she just needed attention. Both of her sisters had bigger boobs than her.
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funny how WHO a body gets the dope from seems to matter,if ya get the dope du jour fom an MD its okeydokey,but god forbid you get it from ol homeboy on the corner. :timeout:
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I get high with a little help from my friends.