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Addiction Treatment Philosophy / In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts
« on: July 11, 2011, 03:28:12 PM »
Gabor Maté In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts: Close Encounters with Addiction
Video Interview: http://www.democracynow.org/2010/2/3/addiction

I was surprised to find by search that this book appears to have only been mentioned on here once (in an AARC discussion). I’m sure many have read it. I’m glad to have and so I pass along a recommendation.

My thoughts were taken on small journeys through that which I hadn’t considered and development of that which I had considered with respect to Harm Reduction. Later in the tome, the proposals he outlines took me further still and I took great interest in the places that sections of the book took me to -where I was hesitant to follow.

In the preface to the U.S. edition he had me engaged with his response to remarks about praise for his book which called it “Humanizing”. His comment that he found this to be “an overstatement” was qualified with the thought provoking question “How can human beings be humanized, and who says addicts aren’t human to begin with?” This was a discrete presage to content which challenges the reader to acknowledge the biases regarding the tendency for our culture to regard some as the worthy poor and others the undeserving indigent. As well as challenge the war on drugs as a failure which claims as collateral damage those its purported purpose is to protect.

The breadth of this book is difficult to do justice to in a summary. The portrayals of the severely addicted individuals with whom he’s worked with are as compassionate as the depictions of these circumstances in which they are subsisting and dying amidst the addictions that brought them there are unblinkingly honest. Poignant are their experiences of brutality and privations which engendered the cycle of self inflicted pain and self neglect in which they seem trapped.  

Page one he briefly elucidates three realms of the wheel of life based on Buddhist cosmology-- including the insatiable inhabitants of that which he selected the title of his book for. On that page also was a line which held a simple statement that was for me one of those stunning moments of seeing some quietly held personal belief that had seemed exclusive to me spelled out so matter of factly that the reflection caused me a stirring sense of awe.

Shortly thereafter he states that no society can understand itself without first understanding its shadow side. With this he writes:
There is a host of questions to be considered, among them:
•   What are the causes of addictions?
•   What is the nature of the addiction prone personality?
•   What happens in physiologically in the brains of addicted people?
•   How much choice does the addict really have?
•   Why is the war on drugs such a failure and what might be a humane evidence based approach to the treatment of severe drug addiction?
•   What are some of the paths for redeeming addicted minds [who are]not dependant on powerful substances—that is how do we approach the behavior addictions fostered by our culture?
He also states “The possibility of renewal in life exists so long as life exists. How to support that possibility of renewal in others and our selves is the question”

He introduces us to the Portland Hotel-- a place which many readers may regard as an extreme Harm Reduction model. To still others (attached to convictions that would resolve them to wage war on addiction and in so doing on the addict) this place (which Maté frequently refers to as a ghetto) would seem an almost enabling and contradictory contraindication. Some passages certainly challenged me; and at the time of reading this, I had already familiarized myself with the concepts and common practices of Harm Reduction.
Maté writes, “What makes the Portland Model unique and controversial among addiction services is the core intention to accept people as they are—no matter how dysfunctional, troubled and troubling they may be. At the Portland Hotel there is no […] expectation of socially acceptable outcomes, only an unsentimental recognition of the real needs of real human beings in the dingy present. We may (and do) hope that people can be liberated from the demons that haunt them, but we don’t fantasize that such a psychological exorcism can be forced on anyone.”

When examining the causes of addiction, he emphasizes that three environmental factors are essential to optimal human brain development. These are nutrition, physical security and consistent emotional nurturing.  He outlines how disruption or deprivation of any of these prime necessities can have a deleterious influence on the developing brain. This he says is the brain biology of addiction “People are susceptible to the addiction process if they have a constant need to fill their minds or bodies with external sources of comfort, whether physical or emotional.” That need expresses a failure of self-regulation.

He gets a little tangential when discussing the topic of Behavioral Addictions which seems also muddled in the way that he chooses to interject it within the larger format of the text. I can understand what he was trying to underscore in those sections… the similitudes and differences and further, the hypocrisies with which our acquisitive and often dismissive culture regards its own nature versus that of the addict (seen as the other). I followed his reasoning, but it felt like a section of a separate book at times there, and perhaps his points would’ve been bettered by presenting examples of behavioral addiction other than just his own. Still, it is that very section which felt like a separate book that I am going to be recommending to a very informed friend who has OCD & ADD.

In later portions of the book (such as Toward an Enlightened Social Policy on Drugs) he expands upon his idea that society needs to reexamine the biases that influence our often misguided intentions toward treating addicts, that the intentions are ultimately undone when tainted with (largely unexamined) punitive tendencies. His own words in the interview linked above do justice to this discussion far better than my synopsis could of the costs to society of focusing on criminalizing rather than treating and preventing this result of abuse and neglect.

In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts: Close Encounters with Addiction is nearly 500 pages long, my review shall not be.  If you’ve an interest in reading up on compassion based Addiction Treatment Philosophies or having your interpretation of Harm Reduction challenged or expanded—Go read it.

"We may not be responsible for the world that created our minds, but we can take responsibility for the mind with which we create our world".–Gabor Maté

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Facility Question and Answers / Re: Turning Winds
« on: July 10, 2011, 02:58:57 PM »
Joshua S Meyer,
I would like to know more about your time at Turning Winds. I’m not very familiar with this program. I am concerned. What were the circumstances which lead to this statement you gave to a judge that you mention? Additionally, were you a minor at the time of that statement? Were you still at Turning Winds at that time? Did this have to do with the injury you also mentioned or other circumstances?

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Quote from: "Jill Ryan"
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
This was a pretty good piece.  I think it didn't convey the the degree to which children are endangered not only by the population there, but also by the program itself which is pure quackery.

Len looked like he was a hundred years old, fat, bloated and unwell.  Man, he has gone downhill fast.

Agreed, but this story took months of work and years to bring forth as you well know.  It will all come out now. The third week in June, Georgia's GAO went into Ridge Creek.  They are federally mandated and have access to all state-wide records...  

Quote from: "Guest3"
If you are a current/former student, parent, or employee of RCS or HLA and would like Fox to hear your story, please email Randy Travis: [email protected]
Well done, all. This is a story that needs to be told and told until it is history. And what seems like a whole other story & perhaps someone might have insights into the whys of this, but WTF re: the ORCC and the ineffectual (to the point of seeming negligently derelict in their duties) non-action thus far? Is it too much to hope the GAO purview extends into investigating that?

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Little help please, I’ve tried both of the after airtime I-team links, but I can’t find this report.

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Glosson's initial court appearance was set for Thursday in 6th District Court, 10:00 a.m. in Panguitch.

Glosson reportedly worked as a counselor for the Silverado Academy, a youth camp for troubled teens founded by former US Senate candidate Tim Bridgewater.

Bridgewater currently serves as the camp's executive director.

In 2010, Bridgewater narrowly lost a primary run-off to Mike Lee, who eventually won the seat previously held by Bob Bennett.
Full article and an accompanying related news video link found here

Additionally: Looks like FACSA and Reddit have relayed articles on the Silverado Academy abuses too.

Another Fornits thread related to discussion of Silverado Academy (formerly Silverado Boy’s Ranch):
Silverado Boys Ranch

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Silverado Boys Ranch
« on: June 27, 2011, 07:26:50 PM »
Related thread re:Silverado Academy Eric Allen Glosson charged with 8 counts of forcible sex abuse. Also, suit against Silverado Academy filed citing woeful negligence in their oversight and supervision. Attorneys for the plaintiffs say, overall the Silverado Academy "manifested a knowing and reckless indifference toward, and a disregard of the rights" of the children and their parents.” -Attorneys say “10 victims only the tip of the iceberg”

http://www.silveradoacademy.com/index.php?/staff The circumstances surrounding allegations that Glosson was fired in 2009 for “inappropriate relations with students” 1or for “being too close to the teenagers in the program”2 only to be rehired again at some point in 2010 (until he was charged for forcible sexual abuses of several children at Silverado Academy) are certainly as curious as they are alarming. I gues anyone, but Roxy, Kolby and Barney could have more to say about that.

1. Desert News Article Attorneys Claim 10 sex abuse victims just the tip of the iceberg
2. Salt Lake Tribune Article titled“Families sue Utah school over alleged sex abuse by counselor”

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Families sue Silverado Academy
« on: June 27, 2011, 04:10:12 PM »
Families sue Utah school over alleged sex abuse by counselor
Three families have filed a federal lawsuit against a Panguitch-based boarding school for troubled teens, claiming the institution failed to supervise a counselor charged with sexually abusing several students.

Prosecutors on Wednesday charged Eric Allen Glosson, 28, in 6th District Court with eight counts of second-degree felony forcible sexual abuse for allegedly having sexual relations with youth at Silverado Academy in Garfield County between April 20 and June 18.
He is also charged with one count of second-degree felony custodial sexual relations with a youth receiving state services and one count of third-degree felony dealing in materials harmful to a minor.

Now, families from Nevada, Georgia and Michigan say Silverado Academy should have done more to keep tabs on Glosson’s interactions with students. Their complaint alleges the school failed to protect their children from Glosson, who had been previously fired over concerns he was “too close to the teenagers in the program.”
In late 2010, Glosson was rehired as a coach and athletic coordinator and allowed to supervise 13- to 18-year-olds, according to the complaint. He then sexually abused numerous teens, the complaint alleges.

“Due to the absence of appropriate oversight, supervision and security policies, procedures and practices, Mr. Glosson was allowed to have repeated access to and time with individual students privately, in multiple locations and settings, including students over whom he was not a coach and had no supervisory duties,” the complaint states.

“On multiple occasions, Mr. Glosson sexually abused numerous teenagers at the academy, including the minor plaintiffs in Silverado’s classroom, Glosson’s living quarters and the students’ living quarters, among other places.”
The complaint alleges that Glosson discouraged students from reporting the abuse by threatening to not recommend the students for an advanced program. He used “bribery, physical force, intimidation and deceit,” to cover up his relationships with the students, the complaint states.

The plaintiffs, who are not being identified by The Salt Lake Tribuneto protect the identity of the alleged victims, are seeking at least $75,000 in damages for breach of fiduciary duty, negligent employment, and infliction of emotional distress.
In a statement released Wednesday afternoon following Glosson’s arrest, Silverado Academy officials said one student reported the alleged conduct early Sunday morning during a Father’s Day call to his parents.

“We reported these events to the appropriate state authorities on the same day,” academy officials said in a statement. “We are cooperating fully with the ongoing investigation.”

Glosson had called authorities on his own in May, telling law enforcement that a youth in Arizona was contacting him over Facebook and “threatening to publicize alleged sexual abuse that Glosson had perpetrated,” according to the complaint. Law enforcement came to Silverado Academy to investigate but school allowed him to continue working with youth after no immediate arrest took place, the complaint states.

Silverado Academy was founded by former U.S. Senate candidate Tim Bridgewater. The program costs between $4,000 and $7,000 each month and families must agree to send their teenagers to the school for a minimum of six months, court documents state.
The length of a teenager’s stay depends on “progress.” Students live in a cabin and are assigned a set of “coaches” along with a therapist. When Silverado hired Glosson, he had no formal training and no post-high school education, the complaint states.
Glosson, who is being held in the Garfield County Jail, made his initial court appearance Thursday and a July 1 preliminary hearing has been set.
The school has offered to provide counseling services to teenagers affected by Glosson’s behavior, according to the complaint.
mrogersatsltribdotcom

Edited per Ursus’ request http://m.sltrib.com/sltrib/mobilemobile ... y.html.csp

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Attorneys claim 10 sex abuse victims at school just 'tip of the iceberg'Published: Thursday, June 23, 2011 11:23 p.m.By Pat Reavy, Deseret News
SALT LAKE CITY — Attorneys for students at a southern Utah boarding school say they've identified at least 10 boys who were sexually abused there and believe that's "only the tip of the iceberg."
Thursday, attorneys with the law firm Dewsnup, King and Olsen filed a civil lawsuit on behalf of three of the teens. Attorney Colin King said managers of the Silverado Academy, a 200-acre ranch in Panguitch that advertises itself as a clinical boarding school for teens between 13 and 18, were "woefully negligent in their oversight and supervision" of the students.
Eric Allen Glosson, 28, was charged in Garfield County's 6th District Court with eight counts of forcible sexual abuse; and one count of custodial sexual relations with a youth receiving state services, second-degree felonies; and dealing in materials harmful to a minor, a third-degree felony.
Since either December or January, Glosson molested several boys at the school, all between the ages of 14 and 18, King said. The latest abuse allegedly occurred last week on June 17. Glosson, who had already been fired once from the academy in 2009 for having inappropriate relations with students, was recently rehired, the lawsuit claims, and had unsupervised access to the teens that he shouldn't have.
"Due to the absence of appropriate oversight, supervision and security policies, procedures and practices, Mr. Glosson was allowed to have repeated access to and time with individual students privately, in multiple locations and settings, including students over whom he was not a coach and had no supervisory duties," according to the lawsuit.
The alleged molestations occurred in places such as the school, in classrooms and in both Glosson's and the students' living quarters, King said. Investigators believe some of the incidents were videotaped, said attorney Dustin Lance, who also represents the plaintiffs.
Computers and video equipment have been seized by police detectives, he said.
Glosson kept students quiet by threatening to hold them back from advancing in the program, through "bribery, physical force, intimidation and deceit," the lawsuit states.
In late May or early June, the lawsuit says a former student who had left the school and moved to Arizona contacted Glosson through Facebook and threatened to go public with the alleged abuse he inflicted on him. Supervisors at Silverado were notified but took no action, according to the suit.It wasn't until a student recently spoke up about his alleged abuse to another supervisor that Glosson was arrested, King said. "It was a horrible secret they'd been forced to keep."Once that student spoke up, others stepped forward. The supervisor went to the Garfield County Sheriff's Office, which launched an investigation.
The student who initially spoke up was allegedly told by Silverado management not to mention the abuse to his parents when he was allowed to call home on Father's Day, according to the lawsuit.
Although there are good staff members who were unaware of what was happening, attorneys for the plaintiffs say, overall the Silverado Academy "manifested a knowing and reckless indifference toward, and a disregard of the rights" of the children and their parents.
King said Silverado had a duty to care for the children who attended the school and look out for their welfare. Silverado suffered from a lack of leadership, management, practice and procedures, King said.
The co-founder and executive director of the academy is former U.S. Senate candidate Tim Bridgewater.
"If proven true, it's very saddening for all of us," Bridgewater said of the allegations Thursday. "We're a licensed facility governed by the state. We're in complete compliance. This person had a background check, which he passed."
Bridgewater said the first he heard of the allegations was Sunday.
Silverado released a statement Wednesday, prior to the civil lawsuit being filed.
"Early Sunday morning, a student reported allegations of inappropriate conduct by one staff member," that statement says. "The Garfield County sheriff was immediately called by our staff to report the allegations and to request an investigation."
Investigators interviewed students and staff. "The staff member involved in the allegations was also interviewed and was taken into custody. The employee was immediately suspended without pay pending the outcome of the investigation," the statement reads.
The Academy said it is "cooperating fully" in the investigation.
King calls Glosson a "sexual predator" and believes there are likely more victims who have already left the academy who are still "suffering in silence." Many of the students who attend the school are from out of state. He called them "good kids" with some problems. Their parents spent between $4,000 and $7,000 per month to send their children to Silverado, he said.
After Glosson was fired from his first stint at Silverado, King said he worked for another undisclosed boarding school program in southern Utah.
King did not disclose Thursday how much in monetary damages the lawsuit would be seeking.
Glosson made an initial appearance in 6th District Court in Panguitch Thursday to hear the charges against him. Another court date was set for July 7. He was ordered to remain in jail on $130,000 cash only bond.
"We have reports of other victims out there and we're in the process of following up on those other victims," Garfield County Sheriff James Perkins said Thursday following Glosson's appearance.
Contributing: Sandra Yi

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Utah youth counselor charged with sexually abusing troubled teensJun. 24, 2011 12:04 AM ET JENNIFER DOBNER, Associated Press
SALT LAKE CITY (AP) — A counselor at a southern Utah residential center for troubled teens has been charged with eight counts of forcible sex abuse for reported assaults on what authorities now say could be as many as seven children.

Garfield County prosecutors filed at total of 10 criminal charges against Eric Allen Glosson, 28, of Tucson, Ariz., on Monday, a day after his arrest at the Silverado Academy in Panguitch, Utah, about 250 miles south of Salt Lake City.

By Thursday, the Academy, which is owned by former Utah U.S. Senate candidate Tim Bridgewater, had also been sued in Utah's federal court by the families of three boys from Georgia, Michigan and Nevada who claim they were abused by Glosson.

One of the boys left Silverado several weeks ago and is not among the alleged victims linked to the criminal case, said Colin King, an attorney for the families.

The lawsuit contends the boarding school failed to adequately supervise Glosson or protect the children.

Bridgewater declined to comment on the lawsuit Thursday, saying he had not yet seen it.

Glosson, who is being held on $130,000 cash bond in the Garfield County Jail, is not named in the civil lawsuit.

In addition to the eight second-degree felonies, he is charged with an additional second-degree felony count of custodial sexual relations with a youth receiving state services and a third-degree felony charge of dealing in materials harmful to minors.

A message left for defense attorney Dale Sessions, who was appointed to represent Glosson during an initial court appearance on Thursday, was not immediately returned.

A preliminary hearing is set for July 7 in Panguitch's 6th District Court.

Court papers filed by Garfield County prosecutors don't specify the number of victims alleged in the case but contend that Glosson had sexual contact with youth residents on at least nine occasions between April 10 and June 18.

Garfield County Sheriff's Office spokeswoman Becky Bronson said she believes investigators have identified seven victims, all boys, and are continuing to conduct interviews with Silverado's youth residents.

Glosson passed a criminal background check, which included an examination of the state child and elder abuse databases on May 11, said Utah Department of Health and Human Services spokeswoman Elizabeth Sollis. The checks are required for employees of any state licensed facility where employees work with or have contact with children, she said.

The allegations of abuse will prompt an investigation of both Glosson and Silverado, which also secures its licensing to operate through the human services department, Sollis said.

"We'll look to see what happened, how it's possible that these things could have taken place and just look to see what violations occurred (by Silverado), if any, " Sollis said.

Sollis said Silverado's facility for boys has been licensed since 2006 and one for girls was licensed in 2009. All licenses are current and the state has never taken disciplinary or formal corrective actions against the facilities, she said.

The civil complaint states Glosson was hired as a coach at Silverado sometime before 2010, despite having no formal training. Attorneys for the families say Glosson's employment was terminated within months over concerns that he was "being too close with teenagers in the program or was otherwise inappropriate with the teenagers given his supervisory role."

Glosson was later rehired as a coach and athletic coordinator and again placed in a position of trust over teens, the lawsuit says. The families allege their children were abused on multiple occasions in classrooms and in Glosson's room.

"Due to the absence of appropriate oversight, supervision and security policies, procedures and practices, Mr. Glosson was allowed to have repeated access to and time with individual students privately, in multiple locations and settings, including students over whom he was not a coach and had no supervisory duties," the lawsuit states.

Glosson used a variety of tactics to discourage students from reporting the abuse, including threatening to prevent students from advancing to the next level of programming, along with "bribery, physical force, intimidation and deceit," according to the lawsuit.

It contends that Silverado managers also told one student not to disclose the abuse to his parents during a Father's Day telephone call.

The lawsuit states that Silverado managers also knew that Glosson had spoken to police about an allegation of abuse from an Arizona boy but continued to let him work with students at the school.

The families are seeking a minimum of $75,000 in damages and are suing the school for breaching its fiduciary duty, negligent employment and emotional distress.

In a statement issued on Wednesday, Silverado said it reported the abuse allegation to police the same day it was reported to the agency.

"We are cooperating fully with the ongoing investigation," it said.

The complaint states Silverado's program costs between $4,000 and $7,000 each month and students are enrolled for a minimum of six months.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: My TTI Postings
« on: June 25, 2011, 04:06:15 AM »
Good idea ‘cause here’s what I would’ve said:
@Who Parody who would presume to decide that what’s called for here is to subject participants to antagonism, because…what? You’ve decided that we the sheeple would be lost without provocations? Thanks for thinking that all this forum needs is to antagonize the participants on threads to incite us to whatever potential it is you feel this forum lacks w/out your antics.  But hey the ends justify the means right?
Thinking that what it takes to get genuine people rallied is to bait them or derail whatever interests they would’ve been addressing by causing them to counter or to have to detour around you is simply a fucking derailing inauthentic gimmick and a pretty goddamned condescending one at that (no matter if well intentioned). @ wh00 ever the hell concocted this 0/0 idea, FAIL.

Much like your predecessor (or previous incarnation or whatever) you are (or at least your purpose in this role is) an absolute fucking farce. 'Sorry about all the seriously misguided effort you’ve put into this protracted routine of basically interjecting on threads with an elaborate (A whole front page of your 00 bits yesterday... really?) regurgitation replay of what is simply derisive, dismissive crap and Fuck you for that. Moderate this anyone who so chooses. The fuck you stands regardless of where it lands.

Well, that’s what I would’ve said, but yeah you’re right probably best just to ignore it.  :lala:

Edit Added: And Duh, yes, (as -more than is credited- many posters here do) I do get that there is some considerable value in anyone weighing the antipodal position in discussions, but to assume the role of devil’s advocate here in a cartoonish incarnation such as this is somehow necessary is patently insulting to everyone!
And Edited: damn it’s like I’m typing w/ mittens again!
Going back to bed now.

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I’ll bet it was difficult to write, but I’m glad you did. I am also glad you’re in a better place in life now. I can understand eschewing speculation w/out certitude about the Wilderness program – especially given that it is/was out of Utah. Like finding a needle in a stack of kindling in a desert state-- which has been the last stop in the short life of too many kids who didn’t make it out to make their accounts known-- that would be.

IMHO, it won’t stop, but changing people’s perspectives via awareness seems promising. As you’ve noticed, Xandir is a stellar example of that. Various links to her story have recently been disseminated throughout the internet and even an appearance at a non TTI specific venue has likely opened some hearts and minds.

I mention this not only because you had mentioned Xandir, but also that you have been so exquisitely capable of composing your account of these many harrowing experiences in such a way that even those not familiar w/ TTI (who may not be aware of the TTI or in many cases not even aware of their biased assumptions about these many programs and their place in our society) can readily connect with.
This is impressive.

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You certainly have processed a lot in the time since reading Xandir’s experiences had an intensely emotional effect on you. It makes the appreciated depth and detail of your account all the more impressive. I was moved by these posts.
I looked to the other thread (as you instructed above) to read more. In the interest of continuity, I’ll place a link to that thread here. viewtopic.php?p=401790#p401790

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Boundaries / Smooshing
« on: June 16, 2011, 02:17:36 PM »
No, Daytop had none of that going on. I remember being pulled up for not having a pillow cushion worth of space between me and a boy who was seated next to me on the couch at the Day facility. In the residential I remember that for movies especially and some other gatherings which were not in circles and rows considerations were made for boys being seated away from girls.

The closest we had to that was a hug it out. This would be called for without plan (as far as I know) by staff, typically following something confrontational like a haircut that got particularly harsh, but which also then in their minds came to a conclusion which called for us hugging the crying person who had just thanked us for tearing them to shreds. I also saw this hug it out (which to be clear was unlike Smooshing in any way) in various group settings, though not routinely. We did occasionally have weird huddles in some of the more tearful groups, but in my scant memories of these (maybe as few as two instances that I remember)  everyone is on their knees with their arms slung over the next person's shoulders surrounding a person (like a prayer circle or football guys or something) as the person in the middle was going through it (sobbing after some prolonged screaming at an empty chair sort of role play IIRC).

I have considered (from what I’ve read and been told of this) smooshing to be one of the most fascinatingly weird rituals to come out of CEDU. While I don’t think (though I have not actually researched this possibility) that there is any connection between this and some of the extremists proponents of the spurious *attachment therapies* methods which also were/are boundary breaking bonding with forced holding, I do agree with your assessment that this phenomenon is an exemplar of what cultic experts have called love bombing. From what I’ve read this milieu was often exploited by various staff members. And isn’t CEDU where that psychiatrist (Forgey, I think) who was later indicted on child rape charges (while sharing his patients at another location—with his child killer roommate) came from?

There are grownups who participate in a similar (though not creepily coerced) activity of what are called cuddle or snuggle parties. This link was interesting considering their emphasis. http://www.cuddleparty.com/. This Link had a funny video http://www.babelgum.com/clips/4021782

It’s certainly not the same as what was done at CEDU and I for damn sure won’t be attending one.

Everyone could benefit from a hug now and again, but not from a pile of strangers and not in the environment that was fostered at CEDU.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Boot camp director arrested
« on: June 16, 2011, 01:39:09 PM »
Quote from: "Oscar"
...What kind of parents do allow another person into the room of their children to drag them out ...I think that CPS should pay all the families participating in these programs in Pasadena a visit and start talking to them about parental responsibility.
Right on, I just can’t get my mind around how on the one hand we’ve got Mcgruff the crime dog to warn kids of the existence of evil and that they can and should scream and run and tell someone if anyone crosses their boundaries, but here we have opportunists creating this relatively nuevo money maker of snatching kids out of their bedrooms—in order to instill…what…integrity? It blows my aching mind.

If the parents or facility aren’t capable of peaceably transporting a child that—in and of itself – is indicative of a hell of a lot of problems with both parents and facilities who contract with them. If there is actual cause to forcibly transport a person (for their own protection NOT these forced compliance measures) than let it be deemed by law which would involve court appointed advocates were they to be further detained where there is at least still some semblance of the reasonable expectation of due process. Having these particular boot camps make it a standard or at least common practice of their program is disgusting and to second your other sentiment:
Quote from: "Oscar"
I hope that this trial could be the end of all these small private boot camps in this city.
I too hope these boot camps get shut down over the attention this abduction has drawn and that someone at least enlightens those of the parents who did permit this to the probably less costly and certainly less destructively invasive options of signing their child up with a structured fitness activity and if needed some individual counseling to recover from the "Sarge" inflicted PTSD.
Quote from: "none-ya"
Anybody notice? All this guy seems to target,is girls? Bedroom? Middle of the night? Handcuffs? This is not just some guy trying to fill up a program,I guarntee this guy is a perv. He gets off on terrorizing young girls. There has to be a lot more victims here than we'll know...
Noticed it. And now (like other predatory offenders I can think of) his behavior (typical to their tendencies) has escalated to abducting a random girl off the street and driving around with her handcuffed in the car for over an hour. Creepy doesn’t begin to cover it.
Quote from: "none-ya"
I wonder how the "sarge" will do in jail,the first time he tries to call revely.
I hope he gets his ass kicked daily.
:seg:

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Daytop Village / Re: Daytop almost killed me
« on: June 15, 2011, 12:39:44 AM »
Quote from: "got2bme"
been doing alot of digging looking for answers validation at this point is important cause all my life i thought i was some crazy animal this was worthless horrible bad person which i now and realizing i'm not
These types of programs are quite adept at imparting destructive messages which can stay echoing around in a person for long after. These invectives are (by many proponents of tough love insistence) tactics integral to breaking the recipient open and in so doing creating a fissure that can be filled by the program. Consequently, as Awake mentioned on this thread:
Quote from: "Awake"
The argument would always be more right that … “it is not the program that doesn't work, it is that you are not working hard enough on confronting your issues.” And I actually believed that too.
The irresponsible and cruel remark made to you by the Daytop social worker was by Daytop standards the norm. In reality it was a vicious message to send to any kid
Quote from: "got2bme"
i became very distressed and was let out to see the only trained staff they had who was a social worker where she sat me in her office and told me they were sending me back to the psych hospital and that i would be in an institution for the rest of my life.

She (the LSW) was in all likelihood desensitized to your distress and incapable of being reassuring or calming to you, because much of Daytop's methods rely on causing the recipient nearly constant escalations of heightened emotions. This can be seen in the mundane daily routine of pull-ups, haircuts, rageful house meetings, and in the venue of their other groups which also typically involved tears and screaming. A marathon is the fever pitch.
I am reminded of something Paul wrote on another thread
Quote from: "Paul St. John"
... The terms of my life were defined by an outside party.  They owned me. There was nothing I could do about it.  I watched them break the wills of so many.. It was usually quick, with like a "SNAP!".  They were breaking mine slowly, and painfully.When I reflected on it, it scared me, and it felt like dying, and this wasn t just a feeling- thing.  I had logic to back it.  They were, in fact, bringing me closer to death.  I was regressing.  I was sufferring loss while under their care.  I was no longer happy.  I had nothing to look forward to on the horizon.. no purpose...just more Daytop.
In the moment she made that irresponsible and cruel remark she was in effect condemning you. Leaving you only bleakness  "to look forward to on the horizon" You were a kid in a recklessly yet purposefully induced emotional crisis and this woman presumes that since Daytop wasn’t for you then you were irrevocably doomed to an institutional life. This is as anyone on the outside of the crazymaking setting can readily apprehend extreme and woefully ignorant --to say the least. However, it is a common theme throughout many programs where their narrow rationales break anyone who can’t be broken-in into categories of will be dead insane or in jail without the program.
So, this f*ed up feedback following your departing the marathon was the precipitating event for a suicide attempt made by a vulnerable sixteen year old kid—who needed support not condemnations.

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