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Open Free for All / Happy New Years Cum Garglers!
« on: December 31, 2015, 08:49:47 PM »
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Open Free for All / Re: Resuscitation
« on: December 21, 2015, 10:30:22 PM »
Zimbardo nailed it dead on.
His work should be required reading for anyone working with vulnerable populations.
Reminds me of an event that happened back in the day, started as an experiment, ended up an embarrassment. A program decided they needed to bring down their level of restraints by forming a committee of administrators to meet every week for a review of restraints of the last week.
The program found that none of the admins wanted to press the supervisors too closely on the circumstances surrounding the restraints because in nearly all of the cases the staff had been in the wrong. They ended up never meeting again within a few weeks. Those sorts of staff should be rounded up and shot.
Joe ricci and his ilk have earned a place in hell, and I don't even really believe in hell. But if its there, I hope those cretins are toasting their chestnuts over a pool of flaming brimstone. Bastards the lot of them.
His work should be required reading for anyone working with vulnerable populations.
Reminds me of an event that happened back in the day, started as an experiment, ended up an embarrassment. A program decided they needed to bring down their level of restraints by forming a committee of administrators to meet every week for a review of restraints of the last week.
The program found that none of the admins wanted to press the supervisors too closely on the circumstances surrounding the restraints because in nearly all of the cases the staff had been in the wrong. They ended up never meeting again within a few weeks. Those sorts of staff should be rounded up and shot.
Joe ricci and his ilk have earned a place in hell, and I don't even really believe in hell. But if its there, I hope those cretins are toasting their chestnuts over a pool of flaming brimstone. Bastards the lot of them.
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Open Free for All / Re: Resuscitation
« on: December 20, 2015, 09:19:01 PM »
got your email, unfortunately I deleted it on accident. Yes, I do know who sent the fax, not going to say though, what is done is done. The person who did it will never show contrition and quite possibly doesn't even recall doing it due to a degenerative condition of their mental faculties.
Such is life I guess.
I don't overly wish the Krazy Krewe would come back, to be honest, I'd prefer put most of fornits into archive and start with something new and more relevant to modern survivors. Though, if I had to choose, I'd take an Elan Krazy over a Hyde Krazy any ol' day. I never had an Elan Krazy call my Uncle's house and threaten him because he thought I hacked his computer, which is absurd, I barely know how to turn a computer on. I've been learning more of late, but that is more due to considering a midlife career change that is more conducive to my long term hearing degeneration, meaning, its hard to teach when you can't hear shit, not so hard to fix a computer when you can't hear well.
Take the lessons learned from fornits and apply them to a new venue. Use anonymity, crowd sourcing, and the ingenuity of the users to put an absolute hurting on programs. I'm not a survivor of a program, I'll never know the anger you and Rivers of Shit.. Froddy know.
I do know the anger that comes from being a chump.
Yeah, I said chump.
Am I being hard on myself still all these years later? No, but I am being truthful. I was a complete chump for failing to be the sort of person I should have rather than falling in with what R. Lifton describes in his work that explains how good people end up doing bad shit once they become part of a group that promotes that sort of shit.
While Lifton does explain it quite well, it doesn't excuse it. It none the less makes fucking angry at times that young men and women are going to work for these places thinking they are going to help kids. They end up with a heavy heart and nightmares. I've spoken to a number of former program employees who had very little clue what the fuck they were getting into. They weren't survivors of the program, but kids hired after leaving university and needed a job. Stupid kids like I was when I was just out of college.
I'm angry that they get caught up and end up in situations they never would have ever guessed that'd they'd end up in.
Is it their fault?
That's not a complicated scenario imo, I believe we are all ultimately responsible for the evil we do. No areas of grey to be had, yet I do believe there are some people who I'd not hold it against so much as I would others. Some are easier to forgive, though they still need to balance the scales to be forgiven.
Anyway, I'm rambling. I gotta go hit the gym. Had a really bad weekend of classes, lot of problems. Shit happens, life goes on, got more classes this coming weekend, blah blah blah.
I read your email, it was a delight to read, and yes I know what you mean about teen agers.
Hah.
Such is life I guess.
I don't overly wish the Krazy Krewe would come back, to be honest, I'd prefer put most of fornits into archive and start with something new and more relevant to modern survivors. Though, if I had to choose, I'd take an Elan Krazy over a Hyde Krazy any ol' day. I never had an Elan Krazy call my Uncle's house and threaten him because he thought I hacked his computer, which is absurd, I barely know how to turn a computer on. I've been learning more of late, but that is more due to considering a midlife career change that is more conducive to my long term hearing degeneration, meaning, its hard to teach when you can't hear shit, not so hard to fix a computer when you can't hear well.
Take the lessons learned from fornits and apply them to a new venue. Use anonymity, crowd sourcing, and the ingenuity of the users to put an absolute hurting on programs. I'm not a survivor of a program, I'll never know the anger you and Rivers of Shit.. Froddy know.
I do know the anger that comes from being a chump.
Yeah, I said chump.
Am I being hard on myself still all these years later? No, but I am being truthful. I was a complete chump for failing to be the sort of person I should have rather than falling in with what R. Lifton describes in his work that explains how good people end up doing bad shit once they become part of a group that promotes that sort of shit.
While Lifton does explain it quite well, it doesn't excuse it. It none the less makes fucking angry at times that young men and women are going to work for these places thinking they are going to help kids. They end up with a heavy heart and nightmares. I've spoken to a number of former program employees who had very little clue what the fuck they were getting into. They weren't survivors of the program, but kids hired after leaving university and needed a job. Stupid kids like I was when I was just out of college.
I'm angry that they get caught up and end up in situations they never would have ever guessed that'd they'd end up in.
Is it their fault?
That's not a complicated scenario imo, I believe we are all ultimately responsible for the evil we do. No areas of grey to be had, yet I do believe there are some people who I'd not hold it against so much as I would others. Some are easier to forgive, though they still need to balance the scales to be forgiven.
Anyway, I'm rambling. I gotta go hit the gym. Had a really bad weekend of classes, lot of problems. Shit happens, life goes on, got more classes this coming weekend, blah blah blah.
I read your email, it was a delight to read, and yes I know what you mean about teen agers.
Hah.
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News Items / Re: The death of a fraudulent Jewish gay conversion organization (JONAH)
« on: December 19, 2015, 04:24:31 PM »
I have a hard time understanding how this even got off the ground given how liberal Jewish organizations tend to be, but then I recall what I've read about the Orthodox Jewish population.
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Open Free for All / Re: Resuscitation
« on: December 19, 2015, 04:23:04 PM »
What of the Elan Elite Crazy Crewe that was running wild on the forums several years ago? Whatever happened to those folks?
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Open Free for All / Re: Resuscitation
« on: December 18, 2015, 04:13:21 PM »
To be fair, not everyone has been out of program as long as you have Matt. Anonymity gives those who are still dependent on their sociopath narcissistic parents a means of talking up without getting sent back or cut off among other things.
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Open Free for All / Re: Resuscitation
« on: December 16, 2015, 01:41:59 AM »
Seems to me we need to change with the times if we are to retain that core.
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Open Free for All / Re: Resuscitation
« on: December 14, 2015, 01:38:19 AM »
This is a post I made on reddit in response to someone asking what happened to the reddit sub. I think it fits well for here as well.
What bothers me the most about facebook, is lack of protection against shitlord lawsuits. I mean, on fornits, with a proxy, you can ghost below the radar fairly well. If the admins follow the rules about not deleting or altering posts, they can ghost under the radar.
I do miss fornits at times, but I think the scene has changed and the generational gap has demonstrated the newer detainees are opting for venues they feel more comfortable with. I often think they do so at their own peril.
One too many stories floating around about programs demanding facebook passwords and such.
Anyway, meh.
Kind of fried on doing anything decent for anyone. Found out a kid I donated 25 bucks to for getting him from Oregon to Mobile Alabama opted to go back to the program he was dumped out of for turning 18. I understand why it happened, just sure as shit don't like it.
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The industry is always changing, always evolving, and always going to be a problem.
I could probably go on a long winded rant that this all started in the last century with the profits made off orphanages. But I don't think its necessary to belabor the obvious, kids are very profitable in all ways if a person can monetize them.
In the end though, its the same problem that has existed ever since they opened the first poor house in Victorian England. It didn't matter then, and it doesn't matter now, if it is a nice home/school/program.
Because there are only three types of programs, those who are abusive, were abusive, or will be abusive.
I don't spend much time on this sub, it doesn't feel like a very comfortable place for me to post. I used to work in the industry, which means I often draw a lot of ire from posters who were abused by the industry. Fair enough though, I'd be fucking pissed off as well if someone abused me, hell, someone did abuse me when I was a kid, and I am still pissed about it 30 years later. So I don't take it personally when one of the program detainees unloads on me.
As for what you propose, I bring a suggestion. WWASPsurvivors, to be found on facebook, has been doing a support hotline. I don't really know much about it as I quit their facebook group, got hard reading about the 27 or more flavors of sadism from WWASP. But... I do remember them showing a conversation and it did see to demonstrate the capacity needed to implement such a thing not being all that huge.
Not saying you need to set up a survivor hotline, they have one of those. But have you ever heard of fornits forum for wayward fora? Its the literal ground zero of internet activism for the Teen Torture Industry. It got thrown off the internet way too many times to survive, but it's still up. Www. fornits.com
What it did provide in its time was anonymity. Programs sue people, they threaten people, they go after kids who are speaking out. That's a given, I saw it plenty of times on fornits.
What you can consider providing is a means, using new crypto-based software for mobile applications, is a restoration of that anonymity. Make it safe for detainees to speak, to organize, to collaborate again.
Anyway, best of luck, this isn't my regular account, its a literal troll account I use for being a goofus. So I don't expect anyone to recognize me. Which is fine.
What bothers me the most about facebook, is lack of protection against shitlord lawsuits. I mean, on fornits, with a proxy, you can ghost below the radar fairly well. If the admins follow the rules about not deleting or altering posts, they can ghost under the radar.
I do miss fornits at times, but I think the scene has changed and the generational gap has demonstrated the newer detainees are opting for venues they feel more comfortable with. I often think they do so at their own peril.
One too many stories floating around about programs demanding facebook passwords and such.
Anyway, meh.
Kind of fried on doing anything decent for anyone. Found out a kid I donated 25 bucks to for getting him from Oregon to Mobile Alabama opted to go back to the program he was dumped out of for turning 18. I understand why it happened, just sure as shit don't like it.
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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: John Dewey Academy
« on: September 10, 2015, 02:16:02 AM »
How accurate is this page and what do you think should be added to it?
http://wiki.fornits.com/index.php/The_John_Dewey_Academy
http://wiki.fornits.com/index.php/The_John_Dewey_Academy
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World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) / Re: Second Chances in Southern Utah use the Cross Creek Manor building
« on: August 27, 2015, 12:42:24 AM »
Looks like bad sci fi writing, truly a Sad Puppy worthy submission.
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World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) / Re: Mr. Yecht Presents: Restraints at Ivy Ridge!
« on: June 08, 2015, 01:11:24 AM »
So many of those fuckers need a .338 lapua round to the face.
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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Re: How does your str8 induced PTSD effect your life today?
« on: March 26, 2015, 08:52:41 PM »
That's intense... and a frightening future for many young program survivors.
Take care of yourself.
Take care of yourself.
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Facility Question and Answers / Therapy Survivors dot org
« on: March 26, 2015, 08:51:08 PM »
A friend of mine wanted to start a website dedicated to therapy survivors. She was scared off by the notion of lawsuits. So, I registered the URL in my name and as I live in China, good luck with them delivering a summons or whatever.
Not to say I'm looking for someone to sue me, far from it, just not worried about it.
That being said, what I need from you clowns.
Content.
Good OC. Not the same tired assed Maia articles. She does write good shit, that's true, but how often is it linked to every single survivor blog? Answer- every single @#$#ing time.
I've agreed to write a series of 5 articles on restraints for her. Needs more than that to get it going. If any of you have something you want submitted or if you want to be added as an approved writer or whatever, let me know. I got a few rules, well she does, keep the profanity down to a minimum, truth nothing but the truth, and the usual demands for not acting like a tribe of howler monkeys in the comments.
I counseled her to keep her expectations modest, she's aware that not everyone is as enthusiastic about writing as you'd think they'd be given the amount of trolling they do on 8 chan/facebook/etc.
So, there it is pimps.
Not to say I'm looking for someone to sue me, far from it, just not worried about it.
That being said, what I need from you clowns.
Content.
Good OC. Not the same tired assed Maia articles. She does write good shit, that's true, but how often is it linked to every single survivor blog? Answer- every single @#$#ing time.
I've agreed to write a series of 5 articles on restraints for her. Needs more than that to get it going. If any of you have something you want submitted or if you want to be added as an approved writer or whatever, let me know. I got a few rules, well she does, keep the profanity down to a minimum, truth nothing but the truth, and the usual demands for not acting like a tribe of howler monkeys in the comments.
I counseled her to keep her expectations modest, she's aware that not everyone is as enthusiastic about writing as you'd think they'd be given the amount of trolling they do on 8 chan/facebook/etc.
So, there it is pimps.
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The Melting Pot / Re: What are you reading?
« on: March 26, 2015, 08:45:11 PM »
The Pirate Hunter
Real life story of Captain Kidd, turns out he wasn't quite a pirate.
Real life story of Captain Kidd, turns out he wasn't quite a pirate.