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Let It Bleed / Re: Stuff you've been listening to
« on: October 26, 2013, 09:59:49 PM »
PIL - Second Edition
Wire - Red Barked Tree
Leatherface - The Stormy Petrol
Grant Hart - The Argument
The Crimson Jazz Trio - King Crimson Songbook, Vol. 2
Twink - Think Pink
The Stranglers - Capital Radio Sessions
James Gang - Best of
The Cruel Sea - Live, AKA We Don't Work, We Play Music
Dead Boys - Young, Loud, and Snotty
Julian Cope - Black Sheep
Chocolate Genius - God Music

...and Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds - Abattoir Blues, the song "Hiding All Away", because we all know there is a war coming.

Shipp's show is being dropped because it was lame, not because his "eyes were opened".  He's on our side?  No.  He's using us as a smokescreen.  Shipp claims he received death threats - I doubt he has anything but contempt for everyone involved at the moment.  Definitely take more of a wait and see attitude toward the Shippster, at least - I wouldn't start counting him as an ally, anyway.  If he lied about his credentials...

Good riddance to bad rubbish, may the door slam him in the ass and godspeed him on the way out.

This is the best take I've seen on Shipp's show running aground: ... elled.html

Saturday, May 18, 2013
Josh Shipp

Lifetime TV of A&E networks affirmed the network cancelled "Teen Trouble" hosted by motivational speaker Josh Shipp.

As of this date, there was no announcement or press release by A&E's Lifetime TV network indicating the show was cancelled. A&E confirmed this.
The unscripted series was originally approved for only eight episodes. ... s/season-1

"Teen Trouble" - After months of scrutiny, petitioning the network, articles upon negative articles, voices raised in horror by survivors of the TTI industry and children's rights advocates, this indeed was received as good news. There will be no more episodes of "Teen Trouble."

So how did survivors and child advocates find out "Teen Trouble" was cancelled?

Well, Mr. Shipp. it appears, would like survivors and advocates to believe it was his choice -  his "own personal decision to not do another season of  Teen Trouble."  How heroic of Mr. Shipp - how valiant. He "kept his word?"  Which "word" was that? ... p/?fref=ts

"I have chosen to NOT film any more episodes of Teen Trouble."  Who has chosen?  He could film them, for sure, but the network would not be paying for them.

Mr. Shipp, the above statement, if made, is offensive to survivors and advocates.  One does not know if you are suggesting that the cognitive capabilities of advocates and survivors is marginal at best.


Okay, so you are not a noted star, but for an individual to cease production of further episodes, by his choice alone on a series, if true, is great "spin" for any network. This is news worthy! This selfless effort is certainly worth a logline from the network lauding you or the network for ones humanity above the almighty dollar. It's Disney! A rarity, but actors have walked away from other series.  Where is it? Where is the network news release? Oh, it's in an undisclosed private "email." However, the gist of it may be shared. Perhaps, the email was misinterpreted? Another "spin" coming?


According to network executives, they pull the plug on a series, when the series does not perform well in the ratings(performance-very poor ratings), negative reviews (Mr. Shipp's self-proclaimed Harvard endorsement did not help, nor the marketing of himself as a "Teen Behavioral Expert et al"), or because of radical or controversial content (sending children to abusive facilities without educating oneself is right up there).

According to A&E's Lifetime, "Teen Trouble" did not perform up to their expectations, therefore the show was cancelled. Whether it is because of the aforementioned network reasoning or Mr. Shipp's take is any one's guess.  However, logic dictates that the reasoning for the cancellation of "Teen Trouble" leans more toward performance and controversy - although to networks, controversy is sometimes thought of as a positive as related to hype.  

"Teen Trouble" did not make it because of the ratings? "Reality bites."

If one believes it was Mr.Shipp's decision to end "Teen Trouble," then one must conclude A&E's Lifetime network would have continued the series with menial ratings, thus sending children to abusive facilities, if Mr. Shipp stayed.  After all the controversy, this wouldn't shed a halo of light on the network - a Disney network. A&E would not be pleased, especially for making the network officials look like imbeciles as the ratings numbers were not there to sustain "Teen Trouble," nor was the advertising. Again, the network only agreed to eight episodes. The episodes were over and apparently, so was the series.

What we take issue with, is using pure of heart individuals, survivors of the TTI industry and children's rights advocates for one's own gain. What worth is that "gain," if it is the result of "a dog and pony show?"

We deal in the heartbreak of certain realities every day and, yes, it bites. It is not mired in any personal visions of grandeur or "spin." Our visions of grandeur are that of keeping all children safe.

Mr. Shipp, respect is earned and your ten minutes of advocacy is up.

And... that's our take.

Ratings: ... _20130125/

The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Pray away the gay camp....
« on: May 21, 2013, 02:41:57 PM »
Ted Haggard spent a lot of time on his knees, not necessarily trying to pray away the gay.  Fundamentalist lunatic fringe persecution and a whole lot of hypocrisy.  

Are we home again, Che?  Good to see the Fornits logo as I type...

Let It Bleed / Re: Stuff you've been listening to
« on: May 19, 2013, 01:37:28 AM »
Daddy Longhead
Triple Crown,
San Marcos, TX
August 23, 1997

1) Erson
2) Plano
3) Shingles
4) Unreasonable
5) Riddle Cap
6) Belize
7) Just for a Day
8) 2nd Hand Noose
9) Undertaker
10) Lung Punch!
11) Case of the Feelings
12) Raisans
13) What Did I Feed the Dogs?
14) Twinkle

and Killing Joke – MMXII

Peninsula Village / Re: Two Girls ESCAPE from Acadia Village 11.12.12
« on: December 02, 2012, 04:59:18 PM »
Not yet.  I'm curious as to why they took the risk and ran - just opportunity, or a result of piss-poor treatment?  It is a shame they can't make any public statements, but of course they would be branded "liars" if they cast aspersions on the Village.

Peninsula Village / Re: Andrew Klepper - 3 Strikes, Batter OUT!
« on: November 30, 2012, 05:49:14 PM » - according to this 2010 article, he should be in jail.  From his friend's post, I guess he isn't - unless that's his cell mate.  Hope Klepper's "sex addiction" is being properly treated.

Peninsula Village / Re: Andrew Klepper - 3 Strikes, Batter OUT!
« on: November 25, 2012, 04:10:08 PM »
????  Anyone can run a Google search and find all this, it was widely reported, especially in the Washington Post, you can still find the articles.  Here's an excerpt from Angela Davis' book Arbitrary Justice:  "The Power of the American Prosecutor":
Speaking for myself, I don't know the subject of this thread.  Don't want to, either.  His criminality escalated despite being given every opportunity his privileged family could leverage from the legal system.  The only reason your friend is on here is because he shouldn't have been at Peninsula Village - PV was not supposed to admit violent sex offenders into the program.  He's lucky he didn't go to prison the first time...

Also, commenting on the thread brings it back up where everyone can see it again.  Not a good idea, if you want your friend's past to "disappear".  We're not going to whitewash his past, neither is the Washington Post or Angela Davis.  What he did was heinous.  Enjoy your good life.

Peninsula Village / Two Girls ESCAPE from Acadia Village 11.12.12
« on: November 13, 2012, 04:38:34 PM »
Even MORE bad news for Joey Joe Joe and Acadia Healthcare.

A couple of teenage girls who escaped from a residential treatment center in Blount County were recaptured after the quick thinking of a man who lived nearby.

According to Sheriff James Berrong, the two girls, ages 15 and 17, were in staying at the Acadia Village Residential Center on Jones Bend Road.  Monday evening around 8:30, the girls set of a fire alarm as a distraction and took off.

After leaving the center, Berrong says the two girls broke into a nearby house, stole cash and car keys, and were attempting to steal the homeowner's vehicle when they were caught and scared off.

The girls then went to another residence nearby, knocked on the door, and told the homeowner a story about needing a ride to go see one of the girl's sick mother.

The sheriff says the homeowner invited then in and played along, then called and told authorities where the girls were.  Deputies arrived and took them back into custody around 11:40 p.m.
The teens are now in custody at the Blount Count Juvenile Detention Facility.  They are each charged with delinquent by aggravated burglary and delinquent by theft of property
of a motor vehicle over $10,000.

Peninsula Village / Re: PV Counselor does a dance!
« on: November 09, 2012, 05:01:05 PM »
Becky -

Becky wrote:
"but to tell you the truth, I'm kind of happy this board isn't as active" -

PV hasn't existed in four years.  Have you noticed?  You may well have awakened the board, though.  Didn't know PV boosters were still pushing the program carcass around.

I'm very familiar with what went on in PV, and I'm in closer contact with more than thirty PV survivors.  You are no mystery to me.   You're coming back FOUR YEARS later to piss and moan about what was up while Peninsula Village was open? ("Well, I've been holding my tongue for quite a while on this, but I guess I just really need to say my piece here").  Why criticize others sharing about PV who didn't have the experience you did?  You played along perfectly with PV's game, even after treatment, and you were very good at getting the "10% less punishment".

Becky wrote:
"Anything to make it a little easier, I was willing to do..."

Not something many people would admit to.  While you snitched on your peers to save yourself, someone had to take the consequences for your "confrontation".  This forum is for those who actively fought against what their intelligence told them was absolutely wrong, and they were drugged, beaten, and mechanically restrained for it.  Considering your "anything to save my ass" policy... how many of your peers were abused by you narcing ("confronting") them?  You have a lot to ponder about accountability - not PV's "perfidy for perks" accountability.  Your claim of being "deprogrammed" is premature.

That young man, Act. Da - had the balls to stand out there alone and protest what he knew was wrong.  You really expected Act.Da to allow Pegler and a room full of PV people like you - "Anything to make it a little easier, I was willing to do" - to grill him when he was all alone?  In the middle of a sales pitch for PV, you would have attacked Act.Da.  Becky, you would have led the charge against him.  Act.Da filmed the young man "suggesting" he attend a group - and that guy just wanted to get close enough to identify him, and he did.

He started discussing Act.Da's records from PV on the "Peninsula Village Alumni" Facebook.  They were getting the information from a PV counselor named Costner.  See why staff and former patients shouldn't mix?  You go right back to PV games and gang-up on peers.  Act.Da's gone as a result, so be proud of yourselves - PV took one more kid out by illegal means.  How were you abused, Becky?  Were you ashamed to be seen going into a PV family support group?  Any alumnus or staffer pictured had been involved in abuse or PV promotion - like you, Becky, and you cannot deny it.  Didn't Messer restrain you?

Becky wrote:
"You (Act.Da) had a zero % impact...not one family pulled their kid or took you seriously. They thought you were just a sad, mixed up kid".

Wow...did you get that "zero %" stat like PV used to?  By pulling it out of your ass?  Because it sounds like PV's "outcome study", and I think even you know what a joke that was.  

You're wrong, Becky.  For a guy you weren't worried about, why did you call 911 on Act.Da?  The call is up on YouTube, he got it through FOIA.  What impact one extremely brave protestor had on a group of people who were being sold the program by you and Pegler is difficult to gauge.  Act.Da wasn't always alone - I was with him at one protest in Raleigh, and we had a discussion with folks who appeared to be grandparents.  Grandma was quick to dismiss Act.Da as "a sad, mixed-up kid", but didn't know how to deal with me.  When she asked if I were also an ex-patient, I told her I was the parent of a patient and quoted some horrible things from the PV medical records.  She smirked and asked "Are you a doctor?"  I said no, but the Psychiatrist who reviewed them is, and he says PV is committing malpractice.  The lady smirked and walked away, but her husband stood with his jaw open and seemed to have questions, then his wife literally yelled for him to follow.  Act. Da planted seeds of doubt.  Personally, my wife and I kept three kids from being sent to PV and posted a lot of docs and info you seemed to have found helpful.  

So what did Act.Da accomplish?  Where do you go for your PV family support groups or alumni retreats, Becky?  NOWHERE.  Peninsula Village is GONE - sold off.  WE GOT PENINSULA VILLAGE.  What else do you want?   Who are you to criticize the angry feelings your peers have toward YOU, who aided staff and got others in trouble to cover yourself, Becky?

Becky wrote:
"To me, when I needed info like the stuff posted here (cause it helped me discover a lot of disturbing details) I thought maybe I'd find alliances, people who actually feel the same that I do about the village. But I thought wrong, cause there's no help or real care here, just a bunch of angry bullies with no direction..."

While you were at Parent Support Group meetings helping to sell and keep kids in Peninsula Village, we were tearing the program down.  Some of us still had kids in PV or were patients recently discharged.  Were we angry bullies with no direction?   PV could have sued me anytime if I had posted anything untrue - and they COULDN'T.  "Bullies" is an odd thing to call former PV patients who suffered abuse.  From your own description, you were the "bully" looking to make things as easy as possible for yourself.  You were still very supportive of PV and would not have been an "ally" to anyone here, Becky.  An "alliance" with you would have been an info funnel into PV.  As far as no direction...the goal was to eradicate PV and break up the deranged staff and clinical team.  The "angry bullies with no direction" hit their target.  Now, after the place is gone, you want to criticize how we did it?  The clinical staff were complete incompetents, and the counselors were trained by them.  Had a bit of trouble with counselors in Camp PV, didn't you?  Those counselors don't even know the laws regarding treatment or post treatment, and you still back them?

Four years later, after the program is defunct, the clinicians and doctors are scattered - and you come forward wanting US to do something for you with some forensic evidence you have?  There is a statute of limitations, Becky, and you missed it while you were out promoting PV.  PENINSULA VILLAGE IS GONE - CLOSED.  We did get McLain's licensure issues, and your beloved Bob Pegler's, too.  While you criticize this group, you quoted from it (and me) often enough on Camp PV.

You want McLain?  He's at Northwest Academy.  I'm afraid to mention any more former staff - I don't know which ones you love and which you hate, and you need a scorched earth policy to take on these people - look, they ALL knew what was going on at the Village - they either participated in the abusive shit or they watched and stayed silent.  No respect for either, and since there were no "whistleblowers" at PV, to hell with the lot of them.  Someone could have spoken up about the abuse.  

Becky wrote:
"I'm posting this in the attempt to at least expose some of the PV-esque tactics some posters are apparently into...ironic considering you all say you don't approve of those things...Then I had to deal with guys finding my youtube, and then posting all my videos so you could make fun of them..."

We were never as skilled in "PV-esque" talents as you successful graduates of the Village.  PV went to work on Act.Da., literally using his personal medical records to burn him.  You think Act.Da. is "sick" and whatever else they force-fed you, but he stood up to PV alone and was the hero.  You think he wasn't embarrassed?  He is a very quiet, shy person - it took a lot to stand out there alone as carloads of PV hecklers drove by.  I was there one day, I heard and saw the rudest crap - all coming from PV boosters' mouths.  Why would Act.Da. and others want to write about their PV tormentors and post the most embarrassing pics of them?

PV stripped patients of their privacy, family, and rights, demanded false "confessions" to justify holding patients.  They beat, drugged, and mechanically restrained the resistant.  It is a typical reaction for the abused to want to lash out at their abusers if given an opportunity.  Obviously people remembered you from PV, and not in a favorable way.  They considered you part of the abusive regime, and wanted retaliation.  Also, keep in mind PV was still open for business when this forum was active.  Our anger was appropriate at the time, not like yours is four years later...and Jesus Christ, all you want to do is go on a self-centered venting spree about your YouTube videos?  I know kids who will suffer the rest of their lives from the over-medication they received at PV. If they wanted to come back and vent spleen about PV again, they would have damned more compelling reasons than your embarrassing public YouTube videos.  

You think these posters could use a shot of "booty juice" and a mechanical restraint?  You could get a group of former PV counselors to "call group" on them for "acting out", but the counselors have always known better than to come to Fornits, LOL.  A lot of these postings are satire based on what went on in "confrontations" and the idiotic weekly "focus".

Also, we're not mental health professionals...just people burned by PV.  Some were a "bad fit" (misplacement) for the Village, "some didn't work the program", some had very rich parents who didn't flinch at a $100,000 per year to warehouse their kid so they didn't have to face sucking as parents.  Some were just suckered along with their parents into the Village scam - NONE of them belonged in PV.  So we're a lot of PV "losers" - lucky to not be "dead, crazy or in jail", so what did you expect?  This is not a "support group" - its purpose was never supporting PV and giving a polite ear to their arguments.  We all had the "PV's way or the highway" piled on us against our will.  No one was feeling indulgent toward PV dogma after gaining the freedom to say "no more bullshit".  Some survivors found it "purging" to confront those who abused them, especially vicious staff and snitch alumni.  It's a typical reaction, and an empowering one to the survivors of Peninsula with complex PTSD.  

The board has been slow since PV CEASED TO EXIST - you don't seem to be able to grasp that.  WE'VE ALL MOVED ONTO FIGHTING OTHER ABUSIVE PROGRAMS AND ARE ACTIVE, BUT PV IS EXTINCT - KAPUT - KNACKERED, Becky!  PV was busted by the publicity and ditched the dead weight.  This forum you claim is full of bullies was instrumental in exposing PV's abuses.  Without the actions of Act.Da and others, you would still be going to your alumni retreats and selling the program to parents.  You're the one waving outdated records for a program that DOESN'T EXIST anymore, except in flashbacks and nightmares.  No new pictures have gone up of alumni or staff and no old posts are coming down - I promise you.
Becky wrote:
"If you're fueled by so much angry, get out and actually do something about really do something. Leave the victims out of this, not a single alumni or even staff for that matter has even bothered half as much as you guys have to harass, defame, and bother them."

Becky, you devalue the terrible experience of every peer who didn't play your "kiss ass" game with staff.  Like Wendy Chastain said, a lot of kids who didn't need long-term treatment were kept at PV - that's false imprisonment, and God bless every kid who fought against a goon staff armed with anti psychotics, mechanical restraints, and boot-licking peers like you. You have no room to criticize how these survivors express their anger, Becky - you were part of the abusive treatment that fueled it.

In the end, if you have so much documentation, why mention it here?  Why don't YOU "like really do something." DIY, Becky - Do It Yourself.  If you still have a bone to grind with PV, I suggest you purchase a legal grinder and get down to it.  Your criticism here hasn't won you any support or offers to help.  Over the past couple of years, I've watched you vacillate between loving PV and being slightly critical of it, and Peninsula Village is GONE!  If you want to go after a program, go after the place that bought PV - Acadia Village.  Not much going on there, and according to Wendy Chastain restraints aren't allowed.  I've heard one report of abuse out of Acadia, and reported it to the DCS - best you can do.  So what are YOU doing, now that you at least know PV is gone and Acadia Village is the new ownership?

You have a lot of learning to do, Becky.

Let It Bleed / Re: The Lyrics thread
« on: September 05, 2012, 10:16:22 PM »
Quote from: "RTP2003"
Hi Zen!  

Long time no see..........hope all is well with you and yours.

Long time no see, and sorry I took so long to get back.  It isn't good today...I PM'd you.

Let It Bleed / Lou Reed - Strawman
« on: July 16, 2012, 01:32:52 PM »
Shout-outs to Froderik and RTP!  I've posted this before about another asswipe  who was involved with Bain Capital, but this time I'd like to dedicate it to Bain's main man Mitthead Romney and anyone else who smells like him...

Lou Reed - "Strawman" from the New York album

We who have so much to you who have so little
to you who don't have anything at all
We who have so much more than any one man does need
and you who don't have anything at all, ah
Does anybody need another million dollar movie
does anybody need another million dollar star
Does anybody need to be told over and over
spitting in the wind comes back at you twice as hard

Strawman, going straight to the devil
Strawman, going straight to hell
Strawman, going straight to the devil
Strawman, Strawman
Strawman, Strawman, yes

Does anyone really need a billion dollar rocket
does anyone need a $60,000 car
Does anyone need another President
or the sins of Swaggart parts 6, 7, 8, and 9, ah
Does anyone need another politician
caught with his pants down money sticking in his hole
Does anyone need another racist preacher
spittin' in the wind can only do you harm, wow

Strawman, going straight to the devil
Strawman, going straight to hell
Strawman, going straight to the devil
Strawman, Strawman
Strawman, Strawman

Does anyone need another faulty shuttle
blasting off to the Moon, Venus or Mars
Does anyone need another self-righteous rock and roll singer
whose nose he says has led him straight to God
Does anyone need yet another blank skyscraper
If you're like me I'm sure a minor miracle will do
A flaming sword or maybe a gold ark floating up the Hudson
When you spit in the wind it comes right back at you

Strawman, going straight to the devil
Strawman, going straight to hell
Strawman, going straight to the devil
Strawman, Strawman, Strawman
Strawman, Strawman...

YOU'RE GOING STRAIGHT TO HELL, MITT!  Hopefully after a stretch in prison...I can hear the Morgan Freeman voice-over now:  "I wish I could tell you that Mitt fought the good fight, and the Sisters let him be. I wish I could tell you that, but prison is no fairy-tale world.  His asshole was wide as a wagon wheel after they were done".

Peninsula Village / Re: Acadia Village Reviews
« on: June 27, 2012, 05:10:20 PM »
You're always welcome big guy.

 :notworthy:  :hug:  :tup:

Peninsula Village / Re: Acadia Village Reviews
« on: June 27, 2012, 12:20:11 PM »
Well said.  You're alright, mankind.

The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Catherine Freer Spins a Defense
« on: June 26, 2012, 10:12:51 PM »
Quote from: "Oscar"
According to Strugglingteens they will close down this year because the owner wants to retire (or in other word taking his money and run as fast as he can before he is being sued his pants off).

I found a blog entry where someone is writing the last words about this program: After 3 deaths a wilderness program closed (Link to the blog of a certain Joachim Knudtson)

The Wiki datasheet will be updated

Peninsula Village / Re: Acadia Village Reviews
« on: June 26, 2012, 08:23:23 PM »
Yeah, you're starting the path to self-realization.  Carry on.  Keep groveling.

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