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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Hal Levy and Myself at the NYRA conference in DC [video]
« on: August 09, 2010, 12:15:51 AM »
great vid so what are you pitching to them any way and let me know if i can help Psy
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Quote from: "psy"I don't think you'll get the response you're looking for. I know you and I know you to be an honest person. If you feel SUWS helped you, I honestly believe you feel that way. It doesn't however, mean that SUWS hasn't hurt others. Programs change from time to time and under different ownerships. Whether SUWS is better or worse than it was when you were there is an unknown.
It's hard to get any more arrogant and condescending than that! But welcome to fornits, land of the double standard. If you post the most outrageous stories of abuse you will be instantly believed without a shred of evidence, and because you have the moral high ground this means you can smear people and post their names, pictures addresses and threats online. Great! But suggest that a program might be helpful? Be prepared to provide "proof", since the "burden is on you". Be prepared to be talked down to, as if you're an idiot incapable of knowing what happened to yourself as exampled in the above quote.
"I honestly believe you feel that way". Translation: You are full of shit, but you are ignorant and dumb enough to believe this I will respect it, but will not concede that it is truth, only your warped version of it (due to brainwashing most likely or ignorance of the subtleties of all the fornits defined forms of "abuse")
" It doesn't however, mean that SUWS hasn't hurt others. Programs change from time to time and under different ownerships. Whether SUWS is better or worse than it was when you were there is an unknown."
Translation: If 1 out of 10,000 say they were abused, then the program is forever tainted and all good reports dismissed. One kid complaining about being in a program is too many. Therefore, even if YOU had a good experience, someone else might not have so you must concede that they are therefore not safe and please shut up and don't say it's good.
You got to hand it to these fornits losers. They put some serious effort in constructing logical arguments that at first appear to almost make sense, but quickly fall apart under further scrutiny. In the end they use bully tactics to pressure the weaker of their members to tow the party line, and the intellectual leaders like Psy can worry about constructing page long explanations on why an 18 year old who signs themselves into a state regulated rehab center can be considered a victim of other people's decisions.
I think the key issue here is the fact that M_Hilton seems to recognize that his experience is unique to him. At least that is the way I'm reading his posts. I hesitate to say this as it comes across as putting words in his mouth, but it seems to me he recognizes not only that his experience is unique to him, but that other people's experience could have and was a bad one.
I got over people saying, "This program treated me right!" a long time ago. M_Hilton, good show if you think SUWS went well for you. However, I hope you recognize that others have had a rough time with SUWS and that others have been abused while in SUWS's care.
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Not to be on anybodys side here, Psy or Che is everyone were talking about here 18 or older. Can they leave if they want to. Just asking not judging anything, don't have enough information. I have read what psy has said over time, no it is not my experience/story of programs yet I have learned everyone has there own and they are just as painful as the next.
I think outside of some who post here just to be a jerk, some folks have had it so bad in (treatment centers) they have a hard time identifying with psy, not that you should care or have to defend yourself. They see where supposedly you could leave psy and people just are dumbfounded. They say,"we could not escape." Now I say supposedly because of the peer pressure intimidation and maybe parents did not necessarily want you back at the time you wanted to go back.
People be open minded.
Danny
M_Hilton, Didn’t someone yell at you, deny you food or force you to walk when you didn’t want to? If the answer was yes to any of these then you were abused. Were you not forced to build your own fire in order to eat? Did your parents ask you first before you were sent to SUWS? Or were you sent there against your will? Don’t you feel you were good enough to deserve basic human rights? Why do you cave in and say that SUWS helped you?at SUWS
You just don’t realize it yet but you have been brain washed.
Familylight writes about problems with a former Mount Bachelor detainee. Rather interesting.
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