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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones => Topic started by: Anonymous on March 21, 2005, 04:48:00 PM
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Who were the best runaway's from BCA 2001-2003
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mike hines did a pretty good job
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Not to brag, but I made it back to Atlanta from RMA in 1994 and the guy I split with got all the way back to Germay (where his birth Father was). He never came back.
I on the other hand made the decision to meet my parents after a few days back in town.
Setup. Back to Ascent, then RMA. I always wonder how things would have worked out for me if I had just stayed with friends and never contacted my family again.
I figure I wouldn't have done as well as I am doing now, but who know?
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How did you get cash to get from Idaho to Atlanta?
Did you fly?
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The guy I split with had a father in Germany who didn't have custody. He didn't want him there.
We hitchhiked to Sandpoint, he called his father and he set us up with a room at the Clearwater Resort. Best night of my life. Success was had. I was eating room service burgers and smoked like 2 packs of smokes in about 8hrs.
His dad was very rich and very capable, so he had us set up with a driver and 1K in cash by the next morning. He went to LAX were his dad's buddies hooked him up with fake documents and then was flown into Switzerland via Luftansa, then smuggled into Germany via car. Pretty f'ing crazy.
I took the money, bought a ticket cash at the Spokane airport and flew back to Atlanta. Stayed with a buddy of mine for a few days until his Mom got spooked and wanted me to try and convince my parents to let me stay home. They of course didn't have any idea were I was and had North Idaho PI's looking for me. The look on thier faces when I rang the doorbell was priceless. After all that I owned them for that second.
They acted like they were considering my pleas to stay at home and all that. Secretely they were in contact with the school and Ascent. Looking back on it - you have to question just how much influence the school had on them. They had just finished losing track of thier son and here he is a week later on the other side of the continent. Why in the world would you trust these guys? Anyway, they did and were convinced to have the PI's come to Atlanta and pick me up.
The rouse was that me and my father were going to a movie. We went to see "Gettysburg" which is like a 4 hour movie. In retrospect I should have known something was up - my dad never went to the theatre and he kept talking about weird shit that night. When we pulled back into the garage the handcuff boys were waiting. Hooked me up and tossed me in a rental car. Spent the night in a local motel handcuffed to the bed. Next day back to Spokane, Sandpoint, Ruby Ridge and Ascent,
Can you say "Trust Issues"? To this day my parents know I will never completely trust them. We have a decent relationship, but I don't care who was right or who was wrong - you never get over a deceit like that completely.
The split story is actually a lot more intricate and interesting than that little tid bit.
Let me know if you want to know more.
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That's a good split story. More details if you have them...
The only real problem with splitting was how to stay home once you got home.
If I got home I know I would have had the same experience you had. I wouldn't be too pissed at your parents or deem them untrustworthy. 95% of parents who drop their kid off are "pot committed" (poker term - not a herb term) to having their kid graduate.
Handcuffed you to the bed? What a bunch of saladtossers. Was it Mike Par or Rich Armstrong? Did you fuck w/them and talk shit to them while you were their captured fugitive? Hopefully you did.
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Yes, getting home is only half the battle. I guess I could have made a life for myself on my own. My parents weren't dangling a trust fund in front of my face or anything. But when you are 16 and all of your friends still live at home your options are kind of limited.
Your comment about parents being "pot committed" couldn't be more true (as an avid gambler I picked up on the term immidiately). These schools spend a lot of time reminding parents that this is "journey" and that you must make it to graduation to be "rebirthed" as a good person. Anything less and they are told you are going to see your kid dead sooner rather than later.
Pretty fuckin morbid stuff. A nice angle though. You have got parents who are scared shitless and feeling powerless, and the schools dangle this "magic solution" at them. I even had Tony Allmaras tell me one time that from a business perspective selling the graduation or bust angle was a no brainer. Probably the most honest thing the guy ever said.
And yes, I did give the bounty hunters guys hell. I can't remember thier names but the funniest part was this - We were in a double room at the motel and while one guy (looked like a biker dude) slept in a chair propped up against the door, the other guy stripped down to some blue banana slinger underwear and slept in the bed next to me. I think I asked him if he "planned on jerking it you twisted bastard" or something to that effect.
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Good stuff.
My parents were going to send me to Provo if I got kicked out.
I was like "twhaaaaat?". I gots no criminal record beaaatches! Put me behind bars because you guys don't have your parenting shit together?
Unfortunately I could sense that they were pot committed. I knew the ranch had to be slightly better than being behind bars.
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I ran away for six weeks. Lived on the streets, slept in the forest of Running Springs, ate fruit and vegetables out of peoples gardens, and begged for change. (I think I had $6 of allowance money saved up which lasted all of but a day in the real world.)
Ended up doing some yard work and what not for some cash too.
(After all my work details, I was real good at that)
After all that Bullshit - SIX WEEKS - doing whatever I could to stay the fuck away from Cedu (You'd think that I had made my point?)
I called my parents and they said I could leave Cedu if I just came home. I hitchiked home to South Orange County. That night while sleeping in my bed, I was visited by the fun escorts taking me to do a motha fuckin 21 day. After spending 21 days in 10 degree Idaho weather (November) I was told I could go back to Cedu, lock up in Provo, or stay another week eating fucking mice.
Reluctantly, I chose Cedu for the only rationale other then I could get a bed and food.
My parents were so convinced I needed to be at Cedu. The whole six weeks I was gone, Cedu was actually counseling them and making them think I was probably dead. (SCARE TACTICS?)
At the time, I had the school record for being gone the longest. (9 weeks total from that shithole.) I obviously was dropped a peer group due to missing a propheet. (The Imagine to give you an idea of where I was at in the program)
I was so pissed to get thrown back in there and would run away again 4 months later.
Finally, my mom got the hint and pulled me
Later on, I came to find out that Cedu actually tried to negotiate with my parents to keep me there to graduate and would have moved me back up a peer group if they would keep me there another 6 months. Imagine (Excuse the pun) the bullshit politics that would have come out of that?
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You split right before your imagine propheet?
In 1989 the imagine was about 6 months before you graduated.
Did you split that late in the game? Or did you get there many years later ( after 93') and they changed the timing of the imagine?
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Oh no - I split right before my Imagine, last of the propheets. I was in New Horizons.
I fucking hated that place.
Fought it the whole time...
Now I still have to deal with the bad dreams...
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damn homey. you waited a long time to get the fuck out of dodge.
I figured if I could make to challenge I could coast the rest of the way.
voyagers and quest were living fuckng hell every second of every day but once I got to challenge I managed to bite my lip hard enough to tolerate it.
what year did you get there?
how old were you when you got pulled?
what did you do the 1st 2 years after you left?
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I ran away from CEDU 7 times. The last time I ran away with 2 other girls in my peer group... crystal and Kim. We split right after the Summit. No I was not dirty I was fucking sick of it. I think I got put on bans from the entire school for a day for something dumb and was like I am over this and me ,Kim, Crystal split in the night. My peer group had been combined twice!! ( 89-91) I was there almost 3 freaking years. Jeff, Rodney John were all in my peer group. I believe we were the peer group to bring that place down!!!! Anyways I am the girl that came back tripping on acid. We were gone for three days. The first night we met up with some boys and town and they took us to there place burned us down and got us tore up. They were looking for some action. The next day they took us down the hill, and left us at a high school. We met some kids there and we went to the woods and all dosed on acid. Then some girl took us back to her house and fed us and gave us clothes. We called our parents and after much pleading they got us bus tickets to San Fran. We went to the bus stop the next day, and some dude took me and Crystal around back and smoked us out with a laced joint. I lost my shit!!!! The firemen came cause I could'nt get on the bus, which also brought the PI's. they handcuffed us and dragged us back to CEDU. I was still thrashed. For the next three days we sat in rooms unable to speak to anyone. They wanted to send my peer group on another wilderness challenge to bring us back together. My parents said no and we were all pulled. Shortly after Shannon and Lesli ran away, and shit hit the fan. There were only 5 people left to graduate on stage. I'd love to hear from people in my peer group or anyone else for that matter!!!
peace to you all,
LAura
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Not laura brinkerhof are you?
I don't get it. You had a month or 2 until graduation and you split?
Sounds like you still stand behind that decision. Do you still do stuff like that?
A 2nd wilderness challenge in Summitt. Did they ever do that at RS?. That was never mentioned at RMA 1988-1990....
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Dishduty
Perhpas it was different at RMA, there are tons of stories of people leaving in the upper school from Cedu RS.
I knew of at least 7 people that left during New Horizons or Summit.
Including myself.
I attended with the Laura in the post above. It is not the Laura you speak of.
Cedu in that era was just on the take. They were about money. They would have gladly arranged a "new Wilderness Summit" and charged the parents an arm and a leg for it.
I split in New Horizons and was pulled after splitting 6 times. (It appears Laura beat my record!)
Upon splitting my 5th time, Cedu dropped me a peer group. In a last attempt to keep me there, Cedu was trying to negotiate with my parents to move me back UP a peer group. (Back to my original) Could you imagine the politcs of that? I still think about it sometimes...I would have taken so much heat in raps if that happened. Not to mention how pathetic it was of the administration. They just wanted more $$$.
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Dishduty
Perhaps it was different at RMA, there are tons of stories of people leaving in the upper school from Cedu RS.
I knew of at least 7 people that left during New Horizons or Summit.
Including myself.
I attended with the Laura in the post above. It is not the Laura you speak of.
Cedu in that era was just on the take. They were about money. They would have gladly arranged a "new Wilderness Summit" and charged the parents an arm and a leg for it.
I split in New Horizons and was pulled after splitting 6 times. (It appears Laura beat my record!)
Upon splitting my 5th time, Cedu dropped me a peer group. In a last attempt to keep me there, Cedu was trying to negotiate with my parents to move me back UP a peer group. (Back to my original) Could you imagine the politcs of that? I still think about it sometimes...I would have taken so much heat in raps if that happened. Not to mention how pathetic it was of the administration. They just wanted more $$$.
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You forgot to answer - Did they ever do a 2nd wilderness challenge for a peer group?
Wow - I never knew that. At RMA I doubt people split more than 1 time after day 1 in challenge. Even pre-challenge if you were above 2 split attempts you were approaching legendary status and paid the price. Sounds like splitting was commonplace there........ Wierd. I'd imagine chronic splitting would have have generated a bigger underground and for lack of better words 'less safety'.
The reason for it was probably because you guys could see the Los Angeles lights at night and were more tempted. That's why I went to Idaho. After my parents visit to RS they did the math and knew on day 1 that I'd see the lights and be gone by midnight.
I hear you and already know your point that they are all about the $ but that's a significant difference between RMA and RS during the 89 era.
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No they never did a second wilderness challenge. None of the parents wanted to pay more money. CEDU said we were kicked out but we were kind of pulled out. CEDU wanted to "save" our peer b/c we were making the school look like shit. With the boys and there underground. Me kim and crystal. I think leslie and shannon split with 2 boys in discovery. They thought our group had bonded and done so well on our wilderness challenge that they were going to take us again but to Joshua Tree. We all refused. I was done. I can still remember Tim Braces stank ass breath in my face begging me to stay. That man had some serious bad breath
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damn homey. you waited a long time to get the fuck out of dodge.
I figured if I could make to challenge I could coast the rest of the way.
voyagers and quest were living fuckng hell every second of every day but once I got to challenge I managed to bite my lip hard enough to tolerate it.
what year did you get there?
how old were you when you got pulled?
what did you do the 1st 2 years after you left?
I always thought if I made it to challenge I could coast the rest of the way too, but boy was I wrong. Challenge was when you could really feel them inside of your head...the need to get the fuck out was never more dire than it was a couple months into challenge...I had to split
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I was there from 89-91. I tried to get the hell out of there the entire time I was there. Once I choose juvi, over it but sat there for 2 days only to be returned. I could'nt get kicked out. I was there from the ages of 14-17. The next 15 years I must say where crazy. But the 5 years after CEDU were the most insane. I went on a rampage, I was so pissed off. I was wild!! I was trying to escape my head. I really felt like they fucked my head up. I was niave when i got out of there and really confused. I lived with a big group of CEDU kids afterwards and we were all wacked!
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Laura-
I remember you, but you will certainly not remember me......I was there 91-93. Anyways, I was always curious what really happened with your peer group.
That said, I had the lack of luck to end up in Flour 5 for nearly half of my time at cedu. That was your dorm. It was not a good dorm, I honestly thought it was cursed. It was awful. Weird things happened in there. Plus, in that dorm, there was ALWAYS someone on a full-time. It was a miserable dorm (not that any dorm was anything but miserable).
Thanks for coming on fornits and sharing your experiences.
-V
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I was 14 years old when I ran away from Cedu. I believe my total was 15 times in 6 months, including a 21 day survival program in Idaho. Each time CEDU coached my parents to ignore my pleas and desperation to come home. Countless phone calls were ultimately denied in order to teach me the lesson that CEDU was the only answer. My parents had two different PI companies looking for me...with only one guy successful. At the end, they would find me, return me, process me and I would be right back out again. At the end, it was a game to me and I think, eventually, they decided they had to teach the others a lesson but not allowing me back and instead sending me to RMA.
I stayed at RMA for about nine months then left when my friend, David, graduated...so desperate I left mid-blizzard and only got to Bonners, if even that. Had a pretty lengthy punishment, if I remember correctly, only to get in trouble a few months later when I accidently punched another student in the jaw. Nicole, if you ever read this, I am sorry. Only moments before the incident, I had just heard that my sister, who I hadn't seen in a year plus, were not coming to visit me...I hated the situation I was in and I hated everything to do with that wicked place. After I hit Nicole, I was seperated from the rest of the students and kept in a room with only one other person to supervise me while RMA determined what should be done with me. Eventually, I was sent to a former staff members home where I spent a lovely Christmas with him and his family - I felt more a part of something there than I had felt at RMA. DIscussions were intense as people decided my fate...should I be sent to Provo, a six month wilderness school or back to the 21 day program...either way for whatever reason I was to be returned, eventually to RMA. RMA would not fucking let me or my parents money go! Did another 21 day wilderness program and afterward sent back to RMA. After that second trip, I suppose I was scared so I pretended to follow the program. Played the game and months later ran away with Danielle..had the adventure of our lives, some good, some bad. After no contact with my family for three weeks, I decided to call home. Finally, after almost two years of torture and tears, they agreed to bring me home. I can't even begin to explain how incredible it felt to be wanted by my family again. Years later, my Dad told me everything RMA/CEDU did to "convince" them to see it the "right and strong" way. Even to the bitter end, RMA tried to get my parents to lie to me and make me believe I was coming home to then snatch me up and return me to that hellhole. Things were tough afterward as I Danielle and I both struggled to regain our real understanding of who were were and our place in the real world. I'm 32 years old and I'm still haunted by the dark memories and moved by friendship that help get me through it all.
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Just Me - if you started at Cedu-RS I believe we did know each other.
We are almost the same age and it appears were maybe there around the same time.
I ran away 7 times and was finally pulled in new Horizons but Cedu had my parents in their clutches even right until they released me.
Cedu then went on to tell the students how bad I was doing post Cedu - when in fact I was doing good.
I struggled for a long time with the whole Cedu mentality and thinking until I stumbled on fornits like 6months ago. It has been quite cathartic to say the least.
I had a dream about a staff member of Cedu last night! Last night...
I believe I have come to terms with having gone through it - but it will never ever go away for good!
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Yes, your story brought back memories. I do think we may know of each other. I was there in 89, 90.
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Yes, your story brought back memories. I do think we may know of each other. I was there in 89, 90.
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I was there for sure in 89 and 90.
If memory serves me correct you had a twin sister or something???
I remember you two being very close...
~J~