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Title: I'm a RMA employee
Post by: Anonymous on May 22, 2004, 12:44:00 AM
Don't get mad at me.  I am one of the good guys.  I am one of the only people at RMA with a degree in this field.  I have been reading this sight for a long time but I had to bite my tongue until the time was right.  RMA is hell but I couldn't leave as long as there is one kid left there.  I have a strict code of ethics to follow even though no one else speaks up.
Good news :exclaim:  RMA is closing down.  CEDU has been sold and they are turning it into a Residential Treatment Center for 12 step.  Finally something that will help out kids.  I'm happy those asshole teamleaders will be gone.
Title: I'm a RMA employee
Post by: Hell on Wheels on May 22, 2004, 02:59:00 AM
so this is a no shitter.... RMA will close down.
Title: I'm a RMA employee
Post by: Anonymous on May 22, 2004, 02:20:00 PM
Mission Accomplished

There is a GOD
There is Justice

Max, Roy, Antibody, Antigen, HellOnWheels, Hands OutLight, Jack, Jenny, Old Roy and all of me we who have written in. Thank you.

Mission accomplished?

Over a Year has passed. You are tired. Sleep Well. I will rest for the first time in 4 years since I started working at that Hell Hole.

Mission Accomplished?

Goodbye Todd Degraff, Mormon fanatic
LaTeresa Pemp, Fake Fool
Bill Brown. Insane Mormon fanatic
Idiot tyrant children "all gone" bye bye.

Goodbye Tony, and all of the other dicks at RMA.

Marc Travelpeace - Where will you use that cold fake persona now? What fool will ever hire you?

Any of you. You should have let Gabe practice his religion, fly his flag upside down, display his art. Start a sweat lodge. You were all tyrants and that is why you are gone away. You should have understood that the therapists knew you were idiots practicing BS psuedo psychology and hurting kids.

Roger Rinn - Who is losing their job now? Whose advice matters now? You should have listened to me instead of patronizing me with fear - as if you could really give a damn about my fate.

Larry Stednits - So you don't care about Ethics. So the therapists are whiners. Now you don't need to care because you have gotten what you have asked for. Who will Struggling teens refer to now - Hell itself? I;m sure you would like that and so will your boss at "struggling teens.com"

Nicole and Rob - you sold out and now you pay the price of going to the dark side and betraying me, jenny and jack: and, stealing from me, and pretensing to be my friend. Piss off now. I stand tall.

Mission accomplished?

Remember the new humanistic sysyem I proposed
that you staff all rejected when Roy P gave it to RMA at the conference for staff? You rejected it outright. It would have saved the schools. Oh well??? You had no humanity. Wow, how stuped can you get?

Hey Fox team leader: Pit Bull Lady - who is going to support your lame ass now? Your husband? Who will pay for the dog bites - who will give you simpathy? I showed you mine, and you turned your back on me. Maybe you might have said hi or waved back when I waved to you. You all shunned me and Brian after we left. Karma is a bitch, and so are you.

Mission accomplished?

Now LaTeresa can cry for hereslf and the tears will be real.

Mission Accomplished

Joanne I told you it was wrong to abuse the kids in Propheete and Raps. I told you that it would destroy the school - Who was right?

Mission Accomplished?

Bill Valentine You screwed up the parent conference with your stupidity and fake education - I tried to pull you out and you condemned me - Who is condemed now?

Missiom accomplished?

Remember Maximus and remember these words.

"What We Do In Life Echose in Eternity"
"Strength And Beauty Come From Us, Not From Tyranny."

Look again at Mark's site
http://www.abchange.com (http://www.abchange.com)
"See that face and Never Never forget it.
Never Never Again Fuck With a Scott. Never, Never Deliberately Emotionally Hurt a Kid or a Man." My Kilt Rides High, My back is to you, Kilt UP and, you all can kiss my ass.  

Mission accomplished
Title: I'm a RMA employee
Post by: Anonymous on May 22, 2004, 11:12:00 PM
Wow. Is all of CEDU being sold? I sure as hell hope so. I was in Running Springs and it was hell. Brandi (middle school) is a mentally ill bitch. I will have hateful memories of her until the day I die. She was so mean to even the real little kids. She should rot in hell.

I'm so glad we have this web site to vent and learn these things!

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On 2004-05-21 21:44:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Don't get mad at me.  I am one of the good guys.  I am one of the only people at RMA with a degree in this field.  I have been reading this sight for a long time but I had to bite my tongue until the time was right.  RMA is hell but I couldn't leave as long as there is one kid left there.  I have a strict code of ethics to follow even though no one else speaks up.

Good news :exclaim:  RMA is closing down.  CEDU has been sold and they are turning it into a Residential Treatment Center for 12 step.  Finally something that will help out kids.  I'm happy those asshole teamleaders will be gone."
Title: I'm a RMA employee
Post by: Antigen on May 23, 2004, 02:46:00 PM
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On 2004-05-21 21:44:00, Anonymous wrote:

CEDU has been sold and they are turning it into a Residential Treatment Center for 12 step.  Finally something that will help out kids.  I'm happy those asshole teamleaders will be gone."


Don't bet on it. The Seed and Straight billed themselves as 12-step based treatment and so do all of the follow-on programs still in operation under various names. Stepcraft is based on a totalist philosophy (i.e. the only path to redemption is to turn over your will entirely to the group [higher power]) See http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult_a4.html (http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult_a4.html)

Yet again, a cult pretends to reform itself.  :roll:  

In war, the stronger overcomes the weaker. In business, the stronger imparts strength to the weaker.
--Frederic Bastiat

Title: I'm a RMA employee
Post by: Hell on Wheels on May 23, 2004, 04:50:00 PM
well isn't the whole concept based upon the twelve step program?? something along those lines. I would suppose if it were to simply become strictly voluntary, it would be okay, but I would imagine that it will still be a shithole, but I'm not sure
Title: I'm a RMA employee
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2004, 12:12:00 PM
THE WHOLE CEDU STEP SYSTEM OF TABLE ISOLATION AND WRITING ADDIGNMENTS AND WORKING YOUR WAY OUT OF TROUBKE WITH THER GROUP IS A COPY OF SCIENTOLOGY'S BOOK "SCIENTOLOGY ETHICS" - THE BASIS OF THE WHOLE SYSTEM IS IN THE BOOK - WASSERMAN MODIFIED IT A BIT,BUT YOU WILL RECOGNIZE IT. IT IS A LOT LIKE "STEPCRAFT" EXCEPT STEPCRAFT IS ONLY AS GOOD OR BAD AS THE IMPLEMENTERS OF THE SYSTEM ARE TYRANTS.

WHAT GINGER SAYS IN RIGHT EXCEPT I WOULD PUT IT DIFFERENTLY. ALL OF THESE SYSTEMS USE PEER PRESSURE TO EXERT SOCIAL CONTROL.

TO WORK IT HAS TO BE VOLUNTARY AND AT THESE SCHOOLS IT IS NOT. FOR EXTENSIVE UNIVERSITY RESEARCH ON THE ISSUE SARCH "INSTITUTE FOR THE STUDY OF THERAOEUTIC CHANGE (ISTC) AT TALKINCURE.COM AND WORK YOUR WAY DOWN THE BALONET ARCHIVES TO STALE BOLOGNA.

I JUST FINISHED A CLINICAL TRAINING WITH SCOTT MILLER AND ISTC  WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: I'm a RMA employee
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2004, 04:53:00 PM
Very fitting that RMA turns into a 12 step.  The staff could fill this program with their own children first.

Before they staff the place with ex-CEDU, they will have to put them through the program first.
Title: I'm a RMA employee
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2004, 06:09:00 PM
Very interesting. Would you please not use all caps? It's harder to read and is considered "shouting." Thanks! Give us more of your wisdom!  

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On 2004-05-24 09:12:00, Anonymous wrote:

"THE WHOLE CEDU STEP SYSTEM OF TABLE ISOLATION AND WRITING ADDIGNMENTS AND WORKING YOUR WAY OUT OF TROUBKE WITH THER GROUP IS A COPY OF SCIENTOLOGY'S BOOK "SCIENTOLOGY ETHICS" - THE BASIS OF THE WHOLE SYSTEM IS IN THE BOOK - WASSERMAN MODIFIED IT A BIT,BUT YOU WILL RECOGNIZE IT. IT IS A LOT LIKE "STEPCRAFT" EXCEPT STEPCRAFT IS ONLY AS GOOD OR BAD AS THE IMPLEMENTERS OF THE SYSTEM ARE TYRANTS.



WHAT GINGER SAYS IN RIGHT EXCEPT I WOULD PUT IT DIFFERENTLY. ALL OF THESE SYSTEMS USE PEER PRESSURE TO EXERT SOCIAL CONTROL.



TO WORK IT HAS TO BE VOLUNTARY AND AT THESE SCHOOLS IT IS NOT. FOR EXTENSIVE UNIVERSITY RESEARCH ON THE ISSUE SARCH "INSTITUTE FOR THE STUDY OF THERAOEUTIC CHANGE (ISTC) AT TALKINCURE.COM AND WORK YOUR WAY DOWN THE BALONET ARCHIVES TO STALE BOLOGNA.



I JUST FINISHED A CLINICAL TRAINING WITH SCOTT MILLER AND ISTC  WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Title: I'm a RMA employee
Post by: Anonymous on May 31, 2004, 02:30:00 PM
Hi.  We visited BCA and RMA about two weeks ago and are thinking of sending our son to BCA.  It's so hard to figure out what the truth is...Is RMA closing and what about BCA??
Title: I'm a RMA employee
Post by: bradensmith on May 31, 2004, 03:58:00 PM
Send him for six weeks maybe him/her will get there life turned around and then take them home.  Ascent works.
Title: I'm a RMA employee
Post by: Anonymous on May 31, 2004, 11:04:00 PM
I went to CEDU in 1987.The academics were substandard. The therapy
was cult-like, manipulative, and abusive. THe staff were poorly trained without proper credentials (some BS schools). You were isolated from your family. You get one 15 minute phone call every two weeks and its monitored. YOu get one visit every three months--monitored.
Letters are monitored. If Grandma dies, good luck getting permission to go to the funeral. The staff is very adept at manipulating you to
keep your child there for the full 30 months--they made up stories that I had a drug problem and would go back to my old ways if they
took me out. (I only experimented and easily gave it up without anyone asking 5 months before Cedu and I've never used it since.) My
parents were lied to and manipulated and so was I. THe raps sessions were nothing short of unrelenting verbal abuse. You are not allowed to talk about many topics from the outside to further isolate you into the CEDU mind control. THe propheets are 24 hour brainwash sessions and
many kids fabricated stories because the staff insist that you have these epiphany break throughs and hound you until you say you do.
Maybe its changed... I don't know. But the raps were heavy duty hourslong emotional assault--totally abusive and manipulative. THe kids
who had been there awhile were like Lord of the Rings--trained to spy and bully.

The schools look good with their picturesque locations and brochures... but its a "stepford" school.  

THe kids who leave are unprepared academically and socially because they are so insulated and cult-a-vated its hard to reenter the real world. THe schools may be better but then it was a sham.

If your kid is miserable and crying they will tell you he is manipulating you to keep you cold to his pleas.  But let's face it--no kid on your tour will be honest about the experience because of the abusive barrage that awaits him if he is.

You want your kid to have individual responsibility? Try Outward Bound and loving. I've heard Outward Bound is truly transformative.

I didn't go to CEDU because I was a bad kid. I was an underachiever
with low self esteem. I never lied... I mostly told the truth and took the consequences. Ironically, CEDU pressures you to lie to get
through because you can't progress without having facilitated "break throughs." I can tell you this: If you send your kid there, he won't
come back because you will--I guarantee--be manipulated to keep him there for tens of thousands of dollars.

There have even been situations where a kid doesn't receive medical help because he is supposedly "manipulating."  Moreover, kids may be treated one size fits all-- thisw is disastrous if you have specific learning disabilities, anxiety etc.  

By the way, if your kid was ever a victim of rape or sexual abuse she may be called a whore as part of the "therapy."  

Good Luck! I have two little boys and a much greater appreciation for what parents go through... it's difficult!

PS Be wary of educational consultants--they may get kickbacks or be ex-staff of some of these schools.  THey may also read the brochures but not really know the school as my therapist did who recommended the school to my parents.


PSS: Some states monitor these schools less than others so be aware--these schools generate mucho revenue in Idaho, Utah, Florida...
Title: I'm a RMA employee
Post by: Anonymous on June 01, 2004, 10:25:00 PM
please, please, please do not send your son to any Cedu program!  i only went to Ascent, and 10 years later, i am still bitter about it and have a VERY tough time dealing with it.  seriously, try Outward Bound, or something else.  to this day, i wish my parents had put me in a military school.  they lie to parents.  i still resent my parents sending me there, but i know they did what they thought was best.  if they had known how it really was, then they would have sent me to a military school.  when they started figuring it out, they took me out of Ascent.  please, there is something better out there for your son.  look at all these posts.  all of us are so angry.  i am not trying to tell you not to do anything at all, but please, for the sake of your son, and if you want a relationship with him when he's older, i think military school would be a much better choice.......
Title: I'm a RMA employee
Post by: iceman on June 04, 2004, 03:24:00 PM
RMA has been shut the fuck down. it is over and done with the kids moved to northwest acadamy.  2 of the most evil people ion the world tony almares and john aron have finally been fired and i hope they rot in hell.  it has taken this long and now we can only hope that the trend will continue.
  do not send you child to ANY place related to CEDU all of those prgrams are abusive. i went to RMA and ascent and have seen the damage thewy can do.  fuck RMA forever.
Title: I'm a RMA employee
Post by: iceman on June 04, 2004, 03:32:00 PM
did bradensmith attend RMA in peer grop 105 if so email me at [email protected] this is matt
Title: I'm a RMA employee
Post by: Anonymous on June 07, 2004, 07:34:00 PM
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On 2004-05-22 20:12:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Wow. Is all of CEDU being sold? I sure as hell hope so. I was in Running Springs and it was hell. Brandi (middle school) is a mentally ill bitch. I will have hateful memories of her until the day I die. She was so mean to even the real little kids. She should rot in hell.



I'm so glad we have this web site to vent and learn these things!



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On 2004-05-21 21:44:00, Anonymous wrote:


"Don't get mad at me.  I am one of the good guys.  I am one of the only people at RMA with a degree in this field.  I have been reading this sight for a long time but I had to bite my tongue until the time was right.  RMA is hell but I couldn't leave as long as there is one kid left there.  I have a strict code of ethics to follow even though no one else speaks up.


Good news :exclaim:  RMA is closing down.  CEDU has been sold and they are turning it into a Residential Treatment Center for 12 step.  Finally something that will help out kids.  I'm happy those asshole teamleaders will be gone."

"


hey, i went to the middle skool too... brandi was my team leader until she left.  i later wen tto the high skool, and she returned to the middle skool or something.  anyway, my name is laura solomon, i'm curious if you know me.  [email protected]  is my email address, hit me up if you do..  i just found this forum today and it's so surreal seeing people on here that i actually know!

by the way, are the cali skools being shut down too??
Title: I'm a RMA employee
Post by: Anonymous on June 16, 2004, 06:57:00 PM
I just read this, and it made me feel ill. I went to RMA a few years ago, and it has taken a long time to un-do the damage that it has done to me. is it really closing down? i should hope so! :grin:
Title: I'm a RMA employee
Post by: Anonymous on June 17, 2004, 02:59:00 AM
Does anyone know a student who went to RMA in the late eighties named Vanessa. She split, I think.  She was tall and part Middle Eastern.
Title: I'm a RMA employee
Post by: Hell on Wheels on June 19, 2004, 11:56:00 PM
I know that when you see my name, you will be apprehensive about what I have to say regarding this matter. I tend to go off and say what is in the front of my mind. Rest assured that I am not insane. I have my demons, and have to deal with them every day, and sometimes regarding CEDU, I tend to relenquish control of my hands and mind to my anger.(hands--as in typing on a keyboard, not beating somebody up) That being said, here's my real piece.
Please do not send your child to RMA/BCA, Ascent, Monarch Academy, Mountain Park, Provo, Cascade. There may be more, but I can't think of them right now. These schools are based on mind control, and in Mountain Parks case, they are into religious mind control. (which is far worse in some ways than CEDU ever was, trust me. Read up on children's stories from there, they make me cry.) Also, keep in mind that most everything you see here is the truth. I have no reason to lie. To the best of my knowledge, and sometimes looking back at my writings from that time to keep my testimony here accurate. I think that it is important that you realize what happens at some of these schools. My family has recently started reading posts on here, so that we can begin to become a family again. So that they can understand the hell I went through as a young boy.
I feel that in some ways I am very qualified to tell you that it is not a good idea. I am very successful since I have been out. I have rarely misstepped. I put a lot of pressure on myself to be the best and to get respect. Things I could not have at CEDU. If you must send your child away, please carefully consider the consequences. There are other schools out there. Maybe ask around, and look on the internet, but please, I know from my experience that no matter what RMA/BCA does, it will still be a school that tries to strip away the very fabric of people's lives, that will play mind games until the end. Please take me seriously.[ This Message was edited by: Hell on Wheels on 2004-06-19 20:57 ]
Title: I'm a RMA employee
Post by: Anonymous on August 28, 2004, 10:05:00 PM
So what's the story?  Has anyone heard anything?
Title: I'm a RMA employee
Post by: blownawaytheidahoway on August 29, 2004, 04:47:00 AM
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On 2004-06-16 23:59:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Does anyone know a student who went to RMA in the late eighties named Vanessa. She split, I think.  She was tall and part Middle Eastern. "


Vanessa Wahab. I remember her from RMA and when I split we were on the same "survival" course.
Wahab.
Title: I'm a RMA employee
Post by: MagicalGrunk on August 31, 2004, 09:35:00 PM
You shouldnt send your son to RMA cause all it is there is staff that find reasons to make your kid crazy and mad. Not a good place. BCA, well fuck that place. I got kicked out for no reason. Only the reason of outsmarting the staff. I was well known there for my underground leading and taking kids to understand the truth and let people know what the program has lied to their parents and them about. At the time I was one of the most underground people there and staff hated me. I made my statement of freedom but it didnt seem like enough. I got cheated off many trips and they tried to sweat talk me into them caring. They fired two of the best staff there and kicked many kids out that made a positive difference to many people there and the place itself. They lied to my mom and they broke many of our right that they signed and still do. They are not only liers and and thieves, But they're also backstabbers. I dont recommend your kid at Cedu at all and definately at BCA. What it will teach your kid is to rebell even more, then he will get kicked out and fucked for the work hes done. Talk to me more about it if you want, but that place fucked me over.
Title: I'm a RMA employee
Post by: MagicalGrunk on August 31, 2004, 09:47:00 PM
Ascent doesnt work. I've been there three different times and all it is is a bunch of rednecks that make you work then one thing you do wrong you get bashed for it. It makes you more depressed and gives you a memory that will give you a bad vibe for months after. Im well known at Ascent and the structure and rules mean nothing. I guess its really up to the person to change or not. Ascent or any of the bording schools do nothing. Its the person itself and I figured that out cause at BCA and Ascent, It made me rebell even more and I didnt let the program take hold of me, I just matured and understood what backstabbing fucks they are to cheat someone out of things. Most of these places are in depth and need more money so there highering staff not to help kids but to get the parents sucked in so they get out of depth. Its not working very well so thats why they get rid of the kids that make a positive difference cause they are the only ones who tell the truth. I know all this cause LATresa tried to get me to help out with it as a upperschool leader and get the rest of the school to do it and I turned to her and said fuck you, I dont want other kids have to go through the pain that I went through or even worse. Fuck them. Thats all I have to say about it.
Title: I'm a RMA employee
Post by: Anonymous on August 31, 2004, 11:21:00 PM
Wow. You knew Vanessa? What did you think?

By the way, I noticed on The East Coast thread you are from Maryland. I just went to Baltimore for the first time this weekend. I really had a great time... It surpassed my expectations.
Title: I'm a RMA employee
Post by: IHatetherapy104 on September 01, 2004, 04:19:00 AM
Hey, I graduated on the 31st of july and i have new news on the subject of that wonderful place.  In about april i wrote a 5 page letter to "the powers above" with a detailed description of my expearience thus far in the program.  At that point, i had done the imagine, and hated every minute of every propheet.  I felt extreamly intimidated through my whole stay, and i was totally fed up.  The letter was passed on, then a few months later there were some jobs that were cut.  That continued to happen, and at the same time we switched campusus with NWA.  Now, they have all licensed or people who LIKE kids and HATE yelling working there, with at least 2 CD (Chemical Dependency) counslers.  There are 30 some odd kids there.  There are no more propheets at all from what i understand, although i could be mistaning.  It is now a 12 month residential treatment facility where there is 1 rap for non drug related kids, and the other rap or 2 are CD groups.  All students are required to attend 2 AA/NA meetings a week, there are 3 on campus and 3 off campus in any given week.  That is what i heard from a friend about 4 days ago, but it could be a little different.  I did the last of all of the "normal" propheets, in which they still used the original script.  The scripts were re-done so that they all move in a positive direction with no focus on anything negative.  This is the direction that it always should have taken, and i was glad to help out with these changes.
Title: I'm a RMA employee
Post by: MagicalGrunk on September 01, 2004, 06:16:00 AM
what school did you go too and if it was BCA what team were you on. I probably knew you
Title: I'm a RMA employee
Post by: shanlea on September 01, 2004, 09:22:00 PM
What did you know of Vanessa? Was she cool to you?
Title: I'm a RMA employee
Post by: IHatetherapy104 on September 02, 2004, 12:28:00 AM
I do not know vanessa, i graduated from RMA, but what was your name?  I did the I and Me with some kids from BCA.  I almost walked out...but now i have much more that i can say and influance now that i completed everything....yay
Title: I'm a RMA employee
Post by: blownawaytheidahoway on September 03, 2004, 12:50:00 PM
It is me who posted that I knew Vanessa Wahab. I did not know her well. We were both in the Mojave desert on a program together. We split RMA about the same time. As a matter of fact, if it were 1988 we would both be out in the desert with different groups. We only met by chance and recognized eachother from RMA because we were both held out there beyond the expectations of the "survival program".
     It is my limited understanding that the "Acsent" program came under the auspices of an opening outdoor experience to break kids in before the actual CEDU propaganda was used. Kind of like tenderising meat. It was my experience that I was actually threatened after starving for 28 days with spending the next four years of my life in a lockup facility or to return to RMA with the chief of police of the area on my left side driving and Mike Parr on my right telling me that he never saw the need for his own services...as it was I was the only kid who completed the survival (with the most all time miles, and the youngest acheiver ever) who had no family present...just the goons...and they took me back...Vanessa never re-appeared and in fact was pulled out of the desert while still on the survival program. I learned that that in itself was very un usual. She was always cool and I have a wonderful picture of her. I would like very much to know what happened to her.
Title: I'm a RMA employee
Post by: Anonymous on September 03, 2004, 03:42:00 PM
I met Vanessa shortly after she was pulled out of some program and we pretty much loathed eachother.  She was definitely a smart cookie and cool in her way but she was sneaky as all hell and I hated that about her. One of our school mates ratted her out for H-use at school--not to be mean at all but out of genuine concern for her. This was after RMA.  Never saw her again but I'm sure she was eventually fine as she was more intelligent and interesting than most. Small world.
Title: I'm a RMA employee
Post by: Anonymous on September 03, 2004, 05:20:00 PM
I just realized B. Away Idaho and I have the Vanessa link but I messed up w/the Baltimore link.  That was Pixie.
Title: I'm a RMA employee
Post by: Anonymous on February 20, 2005, 12:45:00 AM
HEY! RMA IS NO MORE!!!!! IT HAS BEEN SHUT DOWN! I know I was there when it happend.


    Stephen PG 108


[email protected]
Title: I'm a RMA employee
Post by: Anonymous on February 20, 2005, 07:34:00 PM
RMA has already closed. BCA is thriving and has about 65 students.

My son did try to commit suicide before CEDU. So you think he would have lived without intervention? I wasn't willing to take the chance. Gee, I hope the smile on his face isn't fake. You'd think as his parent I would be able to see that, no?
Title: I'm a RMA employee
Post by: Anonymous on February 21, 2005, 07:56:00 AM
65 students means "thriving"?  that's funny, when i was at bca we had close to 100 students!
Title: I'm a RMA employee
Post by: Anonymous on February 21, 2005, 08:37:00 AM
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On 2005-02-20 16:34:00, Anonymous wrote:

"RMA has already closed. BCA is thriving and has about 65 students.



My son did try to commit suicide before CEDU. So you think he would have lived without intervention? I wasn't willing to take the chance. Gee, I hope the smile on his face isn't fake. You'd think as his parent I would be able to see that, no?"


He's better and you are better? Yes. I do think his smile is fake...for you dad.
Title: I'm a RMA employee
Post by: Anonymous on February 21, 2005, 02:43:00 PM
65 students must be "thriving" now. Don't fool yourself. 65 students at peak enrollment season as this is is terrible. Just 2 years ago 75-80 was lousy - You have to put it in context,

1 The System is broke and was broke to the point that they had to sell of assets and trim staff 2 years ago.

2. Two years ago they were 4 months late in paying vendors. And people in Bonners Ferry who did services and provided assets are really pissed about not being paid.

3. With NWA changed from a 2 year program to a 1 year program and with RMA out of business one can easily see that CEDU is losing ground rapidly.

We worked there you idiot. Don't patronize us with lies about "thriving."  Tell the truth you brainwashed fuck.
Title: I'm a RMA employee
Post by: coco on February 21, 2005, 08:06:00 PM
Is this really anyway to address someone who is asking a respectful question?  By calling him a brainwashed f***? Come on, I think you can do better than that.  

BCA's census has been at 60-70 for three years.  They haven't had 100 for quite some time.
Title: I'm a RMA employee
Post by: Antigen on February 21, 2005, 08:17:00 PM
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On 2005-02-20 16:34:00, Anonymous wrote:

My son did try to commit suicide before CEDU. So you think he would have lived without intervention?


Suicide is serious business. What part of the CEDU/BCA program do you think is good for addressing suicidal ideation? Is it the isolation? The screaming? The coerced confessions? The snitch culture? The demand that you and he both give higher fidelity to the Program than to each other? Which aspect of the Program do you think is going to help your kid feel more hopeful?

A man is accepted into a church for what he believes and he is turned out for what he knows.
--Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain", American author and humorist

Title: I'm a RMA employee
Post by: Roy on February 22, 2005, 01:17:00 PM
Now, Ginger's question might appear to be loaded, however, it is the most legitimate I have ever seen asked on this board.

This was, and still is exactly my argument while working as a so called, "integrated" therapist.

One might also ask. How can one get therapy and recover from one's problems when kids can't disclose anything in therapy that the staff do not listen in for and retaliate against them with sick mental cruelty.

As I am told by recent graduates, now confidentiality is not even allowed to the kids when they are with their therapists.

Since I was railroaded out for trying to protect the rights afforded to kids under my professional code of ethics, CEDU management was planning to remove therapist confidentiality and turn therapists into program snitches. So I doubt kids talk to their therapists on any real issue.

Yes, suicidal, homicidal intent, or abuse of children or adults is a mandatory report. It is mandatory to state authorities - not to CEDU risk management as cedu policy asserts. For the record, I always reported to the state, not risk management, because all they ever did was cover up or hide the abuse. And the issue was never the kids - It was always and repeatedly the program staff and managers.

And, me being there is the reason they had to make the changes they did. But, assuredly, that changer were on paper and token. What they were really doing was the usual cover ups and deception like   when you made a report of abuse and it was never reported to state authorities as mandated by law.
"CEDU Risk Management" made sure it didn't ever get outside CEDU. The result was riots, child abuse, the closing of "On Track" and Rocky Mountain Academy, a huge drop in general enrollment, and therapist turn over faster than lightning.
Title: I'm a RMA employee
Post by: purrkitty on February 25, 2005, 06:24:00 PM
the "RMA" campus that is located next to BCA is actually NorthWest Academy. When I was at RMA, the NWA programs was suffering. Now that RMA is closed, I don't know what to tell you.
Title: I'm a RMA employee
Post by: NivekOgre on February 26, 2005, 11:00:00 AM
Seems like lotsa people that were in with me chose suicide. I think all this encouragement of what they called "self-introspection" or discovery but what was really some intense self criticism was the cause.
Title: I'm a RMA employee
Post by: Son Of Serbia on March 03, 2005, 05:05:00 PM
Beau Riddle and Sasheen Dobson.

Two kids I knew at Cedu who committed suicide not too long after graduating the program.  If cedu really is the right place for people to confront, deal with, and overcome their Suicidal
feelings, then why are these people dead right now?

Maybe it's because both these kids spent two years being told how worthless they were and having their emotions twisted by uneducated, untrained, cult minded staff, when what they really needed were well educated, trained, and experienced professionals who actually knew what they're doing.

It's too bad that Beau and Sasheen never received the help that they truly needed. Of course this never stopped the Cedu criminals from collecting their fat monthly pay checks.

Beau and Sasheen...Just 2 more name in the ever expanding list of Cedu Victims.
Title: I'm a RMA employee
Post by: Anonymous on March 03, 2005, 05:17:00 PM
maybe its because they were worthless, two less people to clog the freeway, keep killing yourselves you are making the world a better place. permanent solution to a temporary problem.
Title: I'm a RMA employee
Post by: Anonymous on March 03, 2005, 05:27:00 PM
these kids were obviously worth something to someone, since someone spent all those thousands of dollars to keep them at cedu.  what's really worthless is cedu's "emotional growth program".
Title: I'm a RMA employee
Post by: Anonymous on March 03, 2005, 05:40:00 PM
obviously not to themselves or they would still be with us.
Title: I'm a RMA employee
Post by: Anonymous on March 03, 2005, 05:47:00 PM
suicide was their choice no one else don't try to blame it on any one else.
Title: I'm a RMA employee
Post by: dishdutyfugitive on April 30, 2005, 02:51:00 AM
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Title: I'm a RMA employee
Post by: Son Of Serbia on April 30, 2005, 12:39:00 PM
I don't know why Beau and Sasheen killed themselves.  What I do know is that both of them spent 2-1/2 years in a program that promised their parents to help these Kids overcome their problems, and lead successful lives.  Beau & Sasheen's parents payed the bills & kept their end of the bargain, Cedu (as usual) did not.
If they had, Beau & Sasheen would not have taken their own lives. Cedu had these kids for 2-1/2 years, which was plenty of time for a real psychologist/therapist to observe, diagnose, and treat the problem. If any staff at Cedu had a clue as to what they were doing, they might have identified that Beau & Sasheen were potential suicide risks, and then given them the help they needed before it was too late!  It's not like Cedu didn't have enough time, they had 2-1/2 years and did nothing with it!  Why? Because Cedu's only concern was profits, not helping these kids!

Cedu failed Beau & Sasheen, like they failed countless other children over a span of almost 4 decades.  Cedu may not have pulled the trigger, but they definately share the blame for their deaths!

I've told parents who visit this site repeatedly that the only thing gained from sending your child to Cedu (or any other emotional growth school) is a serious case buyers remorse.  You don't believe me? Then call Beau Riddle and Sasheen Dobson's parents and ask them!
Title: Re: I'm a RMA employee
Post by: Anonymous on November 10, 2008, 07:35:32 PM
Jack C?
Quote from: "Guest"
Don't get mad at me.  I am one of the good guys.  I am one of the only people at RMA with a degree in this field.  I have been reading this sight for a long time but I had to bite my tongue until the time was right.  RMA is hell but I couldn't leave as long as there is one kid left there.  I have a strict code of ethics to follow even though no one else speaks up.
Good news :exclaim:  RMA is closing down.  CEDU has been sold and they are turning it into a Residential Treatment Center for 12 step.  Finally something that will help out kids.  I'm happy those asshole teamleaders will be gone.
Title: Re: I'm a RMA employee
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2009, 10:38:06 AM
"...my name is Richard Mullinax. From 1985 - 1989, I was a staff member at Straight Incorporated, a drug and alcohol treatment facility for adolescents. If my memory serves me correctly, the dates, locations and positions of my employment were as follows:
Fall 1985 - Group Staff Trainee, Springfield, VA
Fall 1985 - Spring 1986 - Junior Staff, Springfield, VA
Spring 1986 - Winter 1987 - Senior Staff, Springfield, VA
Winter 1987 - Spring 1987 - Executive Staff, Springfield, VA
Spring 1987 - Fall 1987 - Executive Staff, Cincinnati, OH
Fall 1987 - Spring 1988 - Executive Staff, Springfield, VA
Spring 1988 - Spring 1989 - Executive Staff, Atlanta, GA

There were brief periods between 1985 and 1989 that I was not employed by Straight, and I may have some of the months wrong above.

For 19 years, I gave very little thought to my actions as a staff member of Straight. Then, in the Spring and Summer of 2008, I began to interact with Straight Survivors and listened to their experiences. As the weeks and months progressed, I became increasingly aware of the damage I caused to Straight Survivors as a staff member. After much reflection on the events of the 1980's I have become very much aware that many Straight Survivors lost their integrity, innocence, sense of self worth, youth, ability to trust others, family relationships and more as a result of my actions as a staff member, and I deeply regret that I am responsible for this as a Staff Member.

I realize now that many Survivors still suffer from diagnosed psychological disorders such as post traumatic stress disorder, severe depression, social phobias, panic disorders, etc. caused by imprisonment in Straight, Inc, and that many Survivors still endure vivid Straight, Inc. nightmares, can still hear the screams of children as they were abused, and cannot forget the abuse they personally endured or witnessed as vulnerable children. I am deeply ashamed of my role in this, including not putting a stop to it.

I am acknowledging to you that Straight, Inc. unjustly committed various crimes, abused children, and utilized extremely unethical practices against innocent young clients, which included, but were not limited to the following:

1) Brainwashing (aka coercive thought reform);
2) Physical abuse;
3) Usage of illegal and or unethical restraints – children routinely restrained children at the
direction of staff for minor infractions (i.e. not motivating, not paying attention, etc.);
4) Unethical forms of extreme humiliation, including but not limited to; beltlooping, no
privacy/watched while urinating, defecating, or bathing, motivating;
5) Food deprivation (ie. peanut butter diets, inadequate portions of food);
6) Sleep deprivation – caused by unwarranted, prolonged daily group hours (12), other time spent in the building (up to at least 3 additional pre and/or post group hours), lengthy
commuting time, and in many cases, due to intentionally withholding sleep as punishment for not “cooperating” to coerce compliance;
7) Verbal abuse – unduly harsh confrontational tactics that included swearing, screaming,
yelling, spitting, belittling, humiliating, etc., a child in front of a large group of child clients;
8) Sexual abuse; (while I was not aware of this while on staff, in recent months I have become aware, through the testimony of other Straight survivors, that this did happen)
9) Psychological abuse;
10) Coerced confessions;
11) Unjustifiable and lengthy isolation in intake and/or time out rooms;
12) Denial of necessary medical care;
13) Kidnapping;
14) False Imprisonment;
15) Accepting clients with little/no drug history (the so?called “dry druggie” theory);
(Specifically, I was personally responsible for conducting client intakes that resulted in children with little history of drug or alcohol use);
16) Employing uneducated, unprofessional teenage staff. Specifically, I allowed myself to be employed by Straight as a counselor, knowing full well that I had no outside training and no education.

Additionally, I apologize for allowing the abuse, unethical practices and crimes to continue for years, and lending my name to, sponsoring, recommending, and endorsing Straight Inc., and for admitting children, their siblings and parents to Straight Inc., and for failing to properly and adequately oversee and monitor Straight, Inc.

I regret my decision to go on staff and I regret my actions as a Straight staff member. I made the decision to go on staff and I made the decision to advance to Executive Staff. I am responsible for these actions and take full responsibility. As a former Straight client myself, I, of all people, should have known better.

I am aware of several former Straight clients who have taken their own lives as Steve did. Many of these people I knew personally, including Chris Weiss, Lisa D, Ira, Duane and others. I can't begin to understand all of these deaths, but I damn sure know Straight is why Steve took his life. My heart aches for you and your Mom. I wish I could bring him back.

I would like to turn the clock back to 1985 and make better decisions. However, I am unable to undo the damage I have caused. I am unable to make any financial restitution to former victims, as well. However, in recent months, thanks to you, I have had the honor and privilege of interacting with former Straight clients who were victims of my actions and the actions of other Straight staff.

It is my hope that these interactions have been a step toward healing the wounds that have remained for 2 decades.

Along those lines, there is something I can do; I can make myself available to you. If you or your Mom or anyone else wants to talk or e?mail with me about this, please do.

It is my hope that other Executive Staff and administrators will take this opportunity to
acknowledge and apologize for their part in Straight, Inc. If you know of any former staff would like to communicate with me privately for any reason, please pass my contact info on.

In closing, it is my sincere hope that survivors of Straight can find the healing and closure that they need and deserve. I look forward to being a part of that healing."

And thanks for making this possible.
Sincerely,
Richard Mullinax
Straight Inc. Staff
1985 - 1989

LET'S SEE A LITTLE TRUTH FROM CEDU WASSERMAN AKIN TO THAT
Title: Re: I'm a RMA employee
Post by: Anonymous on August 29, 2009, 04:09:43 PM
Quote from: "Guest"
maybe its because they were worthless, two less people to clog the freeway, keep killing yourselves you are making the world a better place. permanent solution to a temporary problem.

One can only wonder which former Cedu counselor this shit sprouted from?  Either way, it's too bad that whom ever posted that isn't sitting in a jar somewhere collecting dust. :twofinger: