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General Interest => Open Free for All => Topic started by: Anonymous on July 02, 2009, 06:33:49 AM
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I cannot sleep. Period. I am going to get some heavy duty drugs perscribed today. CAn anyone receomend drugs that will do the least damage to my body?
BTW, pot and wine are not an options for me. I have bad reactions, terror, then depair, when I take them
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JIC i wasn't clear, I am looking for a recomendation of a safe sleeping aid..thanks
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About 40 minutes before you want to go to sleep take 5 MG of Cyclobenzaprine hydrochloride (or Flexeril). You will sleep through the night without a problem. But you need to allow yourself to sleep at least 8 hours without an alarm clock waking you up.
There are virtually no side effects and you will wake up refreshed. This was Michael Jacksons' drug of choice (after 10 pm), you need a doctors prescription for it.
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here are some adverse reactions for this drug, reported:
2007:
PNEUMONIA
MYOCARDIAL INFARCTION
MULTIPLE DRUG OVERDOSE INTENTIONAL
MULTIPLE DRUG OVERDOSE ACCIDENTAL
LETHARGY
HYPOTENSION
DRUG SCREEN POSITIVE
DRUG EXPOSURE DURING PREGNANCY
DEPRESSED LEVEL OF CONSCIOUSNESS
Doesn’t sound very safe. And I assume this is the drug that helped kill mj? What is the point of trolling a thread like this? Dont you program proponents have lives? How is it you have the free time necessary to nothing but troll this forum? Shouldn’t you be out kidnapping people so as to save them and such?
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If you think that is bad, never take aspirin then, its 10 times worse and probably killed MJ too. Here are the side effects if you do take it:
rash;
hives;
itching;
difficulty breathing
tightness in the chest
swelling of the mouth, face, lips, or tongue;
black or bloody stools;
confusion;
diarrhea;
dizziness;
drowsiness;
hearing loss;
ringing in the ears;
severe or persistent stomach pain;
unusual bruising;
vomiting.
Source to quiet the troll (http://http://www.drugs.com/sfx/aspirin-side-effects.html)
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If you think that is bad, never take aspirin then, its 10 times worse and probably killed MJ too. Here are the side effects if you do take it:
rash;
hives;
itching;
difficulty breathing
tightness in the chest
swelling of the mouth, face, lips, or tongue;
black or bloody stools;
confusion;
diarrhea;
dizziness;
drowsiness;
hearing loss;
ringing in the ears;
severe or persistent stomach pain;
unusual bruising;
vomiting.
Source to quiet the troll (http://http://www.drugs.com/sfx/aspirin-side-effects.html)
^^TheWho^^
Cyclobenzeprine is pretty mild and has no real side effects except some sluggishness in the morning. I take it for my back sometimes. One thing to watch out for though is if you take too much (I take 5mg, 1/2 of a 10mg dose) you will get restless leg syndrome at night which will definitely stop your rest from happening.
I take Lunesta for sleeplessness. It works great, not really habit-forming, but it does take one or two days to get used to sleeping without it, so I recommend to take it for the whole week and stop on Friday night.
Good luck!
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I cannot sleep. Period. I am going to get some heavy duty drugs perscribed today. CAn anyone receomend drugs that will do the least damage to my body?
BTW, pot and wine are not an options for me. I have bad reactions, terror, then depair, when I take them
Hops. Either drink a beer or take hops pills. You may get used to them (tolerance) after a while so rotate with another calming herb such as Valerian (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerian_%28herb%29). Stuff really does work. It's like the calming effect of pot but much more subtle (not surprisingly, hops is closely related to cannabis).
Here's a wiki snippet on natural treatments for Insomnia (includes cannabis, in case you're a troll and are just trying to mock the common suggestion which actually does work quite well):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insomnia#Other_substances (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insomnia#Other_substances)
I *highly* recommend against any prescription drugs for insomnia. I have had VERY bad experiences with Zolpidem (Ambien). Let's just say the effects lasted longer than advertised and I wasn't pleased when I experienced some of the hypnotic/sensory distortions while driving (which, I learn later, have been permanent in some people... thankfully not me).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambien#Side_effects (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambien#Side_effects)
^^^ herbs don't do that shit.
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Maybe this will help. I haven't tried it. A friend of mine is pleased with the effects of melatonin supplements.
Prescription sleep meds. can be very effective in the short term. My first hand experience with those is mixed. Bounce back depression and the need for increasing dosages are part of that.
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I will be getting a rx from my doctor today. I am not a troll. Would like recommendations for safe drugs for insomnia.
Up until now I have used doxipin. I went it off a while, but cannot sleep so need to go back on something. Hoping someone here has had experience with some medication. I am looking for the least of evils, in terms of damage that will be done to my body.
I know how messed up ambien is. Did it make you a literal zombie? It made me sleepwalk while experiencing semi-aware consciousness. Very scary.
Doxipin worked pretty well, so that is what I will return to, but am interested in seeing what else is out there, or if anyone has experience with doxipin here, or knows anything about it.
I don’t think beer would work? I don’t think it could knock me out for 8 full hours. It would be pretty bad on my stomach every night also…I would probably get bad reflux. I wonder if drinking it every night would really be much of a health improvement on pills.
Hopefully I will only need pill until September when other concerns will be settled and Ill be able to sleep a little better.
Melotonin? Like the skin pigmintation?
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Hmmm....
Let me be clear when I say that I don't suffer from chronic insomia. My sleepless nights are all stress induced. I've done the following in the past to help me get to sleep and stay asleep all night:
1) I make sure I go to bed at the same time every night.
2) I stop drinking water or whatnot about 2 hours before I go to bed. I'd rather not get up to piss at night.
3) I don't eat anything after 8.00 pm. For me having food in my stomach makes it harder for me to sleep.
4) If I'm having trouble sleeping I definitely do not go to bed drunk. I might get some sleep, but drunk sleep makes me feel worst rather than better.
5) I work out, alot.... I'm serious... work out.. a lot... get more exercise. It does help out with stress relief.
Now if these things aren't working I used to just pop a xanax and watch my entire world implode in a giddy haze. HoweI can't get it here in China and don't really seem to want it either. I haven't had any sleep problems in months.
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echo psy re: valerian root.
I've had some luck with L-Tryptaphen capsules as well.
My shrink says there's an over the counter med now called Knock Out which is supposed to be pretty good. It has valerian, melatonin and l-tryptaphen.
As for me, I had to go with prescription stuff. Seroquel is the only thing that seems to work for me... but it's a mood stabilizer, so if you arent bipolar, probably not a good idea. The good thing about these guys, though, is that you can start and stop them whenever you want, and dont have to worry about tapering up and down to avoid adverse effects.
Oh.. another thing that really helps is to turn out most of the lights about an hour before you want to go to sleep, and make everything dim. It helps a lot.
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Followup:
Melatonin for Treatment of Sleep Disorders November 2004Structured Abstract
http://www.ahrq.gov/clinic/tp/melatntp.htm (http://www.ahrq.gov/clinic/tp/melatntp.htm)
Melatonin As A “Greener” Sleep Aid? | World of Psychology
http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2 ... sleep-aid/ (http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2009/01/07/melatonin-as-a-greener-sleep-aid/)
1. Doxepin (pronounced /?d?ks?p?n/ DOK-s?-pin) is a psychotropic agent with tricyclic antidepressant and anxiolytic properties, ...That’s all I know about that. My personal experience with tricyclics was very bad.
2. Worsening of depression, including suicidal thoughts and completed suicides, hallucinations, and nightmares can occur with Rozerem. ...
3. ambien sleepwalking
4. lunesta side effects
...See where this is going? I love pills. Some of them. Individuals react differently to medications and for the most part it’s trial and error.
Even caution should be applied to the natural options. Kava-Kava and ST. Johns wort can damage the liver. Milk thistle is good for your liver
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tricyclics are downright eeeevil. I dont know anyone who had a good reaction from those. They made me downright psycho in my teens.
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I don’t think beer would work? I don’t think it could knock me out for 8 full hours. It would be pretty bad on my stomach every night also…I would probably get bad reflux. I wonder if drinking it every night would really be much of a health improvement on pills.
I'm not sure that hops consumed in the form of beer is much of a sleep aid (relative to the alcohol), but I could be wrong... Supposedly you can make a tea from hops flowers, and it's probably available in capsule form. I've also heard of people making pillows stuffed with hops flowers (old-fashioned remedy), but I suspect the effect may be too subtle for ya.
Tryptophan is the main reason everyone falls asleep after Thanksgiving dinner. It's pretty concentrated in turkey, relative to most other foods. People have varying degrees of sensitivity to the concentrated form in pills... It may work for ya, it may not, but it sure does work for some people.
Some people swear by melatonin; I've never tried it. Similar comment re. valerian. That I did try, briefly. It didn't seem to work for me, but perhaps my thoughts were too tortured.
I was taking Flexeril for a spinal injury several years ago. It did nothing for the pain, which was perhaps too extreme. The day I tried to cross the street in the path of an oncoming semi, completely conscious of and somewhat blasé about that fact, is the day I stopped taking it.
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Flexeril is muscle relaxer. It doesn't help with pain unless the pain is a pinched nerve due to muscle contraction or spasm. But it does make you all floaty and less aware. And if you take too much you'll never sleep, just wiggle your legs all night and toss and turn.
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Tryptophan is the main reason everyone falls asleep after Thanksgiving dinner. It's pretty concentrated in turkey, relative to most other foods.
That's an urban myth. There is not nearly enough Tryptophan in turkey to make anyone drowsy. You would literally get sick before you ate enough to make you sleepy.
The reason people are drowsy after thanksgiving is because they are big fat pigs who stuffed a forklift-load of holiday flavor into their pie-holes, and the body practically has to shut everything else down to digest that glacier of man-fuel.
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thanks for the help guys. i have my rx. I will get some hops flowers. i loike the idea of a nice safe tea and look into your other suggestions.
thanks
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thanks for the help guys. i have my rx. I will get some hops flowers. i loike the idea of a nice safe tea and look into your other suggestions.
thanks
Jeez what horrible grammer. Sorry. That's my inability to sleep talking!
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OK. I have sucessfully began drugging myself into oblivion on a nightly basis. Great! I'm going to try to find some of those hops flowers...too...hard when you are depressed to do this sort of stuff.
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Ativan is an excellent choice!
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Ativan is an excellent choice!
If a sublingual tablet is self administered (under the right side of the tongue) the effects of Ativan are felt more quickly. This benzodiazepine is an anxiolytic with sedative properties and is one of my personal favorites. Possibilities of side effects and dependency are always a wise consideration. In my experience 1mg. of it is the better choice of the pharmaceutical options (for a little down time).
For me the effects are short acting and more subtle than similar options. This may be beneficial to those whose sleep disruption is due to an inability to enter the sleep state at the desired time. Unfortunately,it will not be of such use for those whose sleep disruption is due to intermittent or early waking.
Understanding the source of your sleep disorder is key to finding the right resolution. An excellent lay person’s reference is Sleep Disorders for Dummies (completely not kidding) by Hirshkowitz and Smith. Short of anything else, the more academic texts on the topic are good for at least a nap.
Ativan (Lorazepam) is not recommended for long term use as a sleep aid.
I should add that I have had a consistent and prescription for this medication for over five years.
It usually does a good job of alleviating symptoms of anxiety. It’s even nice to just have. It is addictive
... and I’m up typing this because I can’t sleep, either.
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A few months ago I decided to have a sleep study done. There are a couple of different tests they perform and you need to stay overnight a few times. I dont have results yet so I dont know how effective it is, but here are a few of the tests they performed:
• Polysomnogram. This test records several body functions during sleep, including brain activity, eye movement, oxygen and carbon dioxide blood levels, heart rate and rhythm, breathing rate and rhythm, the flow of air through your mouth and nose, snoring, body muscle movements, and chest and belly movement.
• Multiple sleep latency test (MSLT). This test measures how long it takes you to fall asleep. A video camera is used to record movements during sleep.
• Multiple wake test (MWT). This test measures whether you can stay awake during a time when you are normally awake.
I have met several people who have gone thru this and it changed their life completely because the sleep study pinpoints the exact reason why you are not getting enough rest and corrects it either thru medication or assisted breathing apparatus.
I cant remember the last time I woke up feeling rested. I am always tired in the morning because I have been up too late. This should correct that. I will let you know if this works or not. I am in the 2nd phase of the testing this week.
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Sleeping problems are a sure sign of a guilty conscience!! It's time you applied your 4th step and got honest with the group, druggie!!! :flame: :flame:
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Sleeping problems are a sure sign of a guilty conscience!! It's time you applied your 4th step and got honest with the group, druggie!!! :flame: :flame:
Dr. Newton, are you aqquainted with the methods of Dr. Mc Feeely?
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Melatonin. Valerian. Hops. All very good.
My personal favorite is Kava Kava, ingested either by chewing whole root chunks, or in the form of a drink made from the ground powder (not the capsules kava pills/caps suck). Good stuff.
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Followup:
Kava-Kava and ST. Johns wort can damage the liver. Milk thistle is good for your liver
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Taken in moderation, drinking kava kava is about as damaging to the liver as is alcohol consumption. Know your sources and only get your kava from reputable suppliers. And stay away from the kava capsules/pills. I recommend Nuka Hiva Trading Company. They've got the good stuff.
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A few months ago I decided to have a sleep study done. There are a couple of different tests they perform and you need to stay overnight a few times. I dont have results yet so I dont know how effective it is, but here are a few of the tests they performed:
• Polysomnogram. This test records several body functions during sleep, including brain activity, eye movement, oxygen and carbon dioxide blood levels, heart rate and rhythm, breathing rate and rhythm, the flow of air through your mouth and nose, snoring, body muscle movements, and chest and belly movement.
• Multiple sleep latency test (MSLT). This test measures how long it takes you to fall asleep. A video camera is used to record movements during sleep.
• Multiple wake test (MWT). This test measures whether you can stay awake during a time when you are normally awake.
I have met several people who have gone thru this and it changed their life completely because the sleep study pinpoints the exact reason why you are not getting enough rest and corrects it either thru medication or assisted breathing apparatus.
I cant remember the last time I woke up feeling rested. I am always tired in the morning because I have been up too late. This should correct that. I will let you know if this works or not. I am in the 2nd phase of the testing this week.
You are what is wrong with the world.
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A few months ago I decided to have a sleep study done. There are a couple of different tests they perform and you need to stay overnight a few times. I dont have results yet so I dont know how effective it is, but here are a few of the tests they performed:
• Polysomnogram. This test records several body functions during sleep, including brain activity, eye movement, oxygen and carbon dioxide blood levels, heart rate and rhythm, breathing rate and rhythm, the flow of air through your mouth and nose, snoring, body muscle movements, and chest and belly movement.
• Multiple sleep latency test (MSLT). This test measures how long it takes you to fall asleep. A video camera is used to record movements during sleep.
• Multiple wake test (MWT). This test measures whether you can stay awake during a time when you are normally awake.
I have met several people who have gone thru this and it changed their life completely because the sleep study pinpoints the exact reason why you are not getting enough rest and corrects it either thru medication or assisted breathing apparatus.
I cant remember the last time I woke up feeling rested. I am always tired in the morning because I have been up too late. This should correct that. I will let you know if this works or not. I am in the 2nd phase of the testing this week.
I have health problems, so I know what my sleep issues come from--well, from my poor health and the whole kidnap, imprison, and torture issue. But thanks. My sleep is a bit better since I've been on the soma. But, I know its gonna eat away at my brain. No pill is without consequences. Hopefully, if I get healthier (which will be soon, if I can force myself to keep going) my sleep will too.
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weed is the best. a dense indica would be a better choice than any sativa. (look for rock hard dense buds, not fluffy stuff).
If you use it wisely, it will help you sleep.
If you depend on it on a nightly basis, you wont be able to fall asleep without it. then again, if you depend on any sleep aid you wont sleep without it.
Alchohol is a bad idea. it actually shortens REM and lightens the sleep. at lower doses, it actually acts as a stimulant. unless you're drinking at least 3-4 beers worth, you're going to be more amped up than sedated. any more than 3-4 every night is a very bad idea - as you said itll be hard on your stomach and may cause other health problems.
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weed is the best. a dense indica would be a better choice than any sativa. (look for rock hard dense buds, not fluffy stuff).
Ive had a really hard time finding a strain that helps with this. I think the closest I got was a salad of lambsbread and northern lights. It just MAKES you want to go to bed. A definite couch-pinner. (Warning, this strain gives you serious munchies. not sure if its the lambsbread or northern lights)
My friend swears by kush, but it didnt do much for me.
blue burmese was nice, but more mellow
And yes, stuff that is dense and crystal is normally what you want.
A lot of weed, even the hybrids, will make my head chatty. (Mr. Nice. Pineapple. AAA Perps, etc.) but that lambsbread/no. lights was the shit man.
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where do you live castle (no need for specifics, just city/state)
thats very unusual. I started smoking at 14 to help me sleep, and it's mainly why i use it to this day (now 28). It silences all the chatter in my head. It also helps with my ADD. the only strains that dont put me to sleep are the hazes (which make me philosophical and creative) and other pure sativas, and real new york sour diesel (which makes me think about spirituality for some reason).
generally speaking, hybrids and sativas are not good for sleeping. they are a very "up" smoke.
kush, IMHO, is crap. it combines all the crappy trademarks of both sativas and indicas without providing the best of either. I have yet to smoke kush that doesnt give me a headache afterwards.
Afghani is better than indica for sleeping - it's almost like opium in it's effects - but a true afghani is very hard to find. alot of strains have afghani genetics though.
the best for sleep, as i said before, are indicas and afghani. Northern lights is a mostly-indica hybrid that has some afghani genetics - which is why it put you to sleep.
the best strains i've had for sleeping were Afghani, NL, og purps and grandpa. they were all rock hard buds that require a grinder to break up, and broke up into 10x what you would think they actually contained. they were nice and frosty with amber trichromes.
something to note: weed that is picked early has CLEAR trichromes (crystals). clear crystals equal "up" high that will NOT put you to sleep. well-matured weed with LARGE, AMBER trichromes WILL put you to sleep without fail. the chemical composition changes as the plant ages. Sativas dont put pple to sleep because the trichromes rarely turn amber, and are usually on the smaller side (like half the size, in microns). The number of trichromes is also not an indicator of potency. the amount of cannabinoids per trichrome can vary. (remember, a trich is just a little bubble with oil inside). look for plants that are not just frosted up, but have large amber trichrome. this will give you a better chance of getting to sleep. then again, i've smoked weed that barely had any visible triches that was stronger than anything else i've ever smoked - neville's haze from the dampkring in amsterdam.
I'd like to note for our readers that the brown ordinary stuff, the "your mommas weed", the stuff that comes in bricks, the stuff youre neighbor grew in the window or on the porch, the stuff the crips sold 5g of to you for $5, the stuff with leaves and seeds in the bag, is not weed. it's random green material that was once weed. dont expect to smoke that and have the same effects you would get from the stuff me and castle are talking about.
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Im in the bay area, CA. We get some pretty good shit out here. (amazingly enough, though, I hate mendo.)
brickweed? you can still get that? jeez, I thought that stopped at the end of the 80s.
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lucky lucky, bay area. i wish i lived there. i'd have my own little indoor garden.
Me in NYC. we have alot of the same stuff you guys have, it's just usually at least $100/oz more expensive (driving the price of five-star weed up to $400-$550/oz). There are some differences. cali weed is fresher, the growers are more experienced and have enough leeway to experiment, and so many more people grow that the strains evolve faster. weed here is the same, but there is generally less variety and less selection as most growers stick to a few tried and true strains rather than experiment. also much of the stuff here is fedexed from cali. you cant just walk into a dispensary too. you have to know alot of dealers if you want to be picky, most people only carry one or two strains.
brickweed. yes. it is available. everything from crappy $10oz brickweed, to decent regs, to jamaican imports, to outdoor greens, low-grade hydro through five-star boutique weed that rivals any from amsterdam or mendo. it's all about the market. good weed is $300+ an ounce, and poor people dont want to pay $20 for a single joint. they want to share a fat blunt with their homies for cheap. so they get brickweed. hispanics, jamaicans, and crips usually sell the crappy shit, and it's generally only available at the "street spots" (dude standing on a corner) in nickel and dime bags that weigh up to 5 grams a piece. Crap weed gets sold to poor people, good weed gets sold to rich people. Same concept between Import beer/sam adams vs. malt liquor and bud light.
Mostly delivery services, independent small-time dealers, the bloods, dominicans, and a few street dealers sell the good stuff.
I must say, there are a few strains you guys dont have in cali, that are only available here that will blow cali stuff away. NYC haze is one. it's not a particular strain, there are hundreds of variants, but NYC haze is very distinct in smell and taste, and can only be found in NYC. anyone from here can attest to that. It's grown mainly by the dominicans and sold wholesale up in washington heights. it's been around since the mid-90s and is THE classic NYC strain. it's not found in amsterdam, canada, cali, or even just outside the city. mainly just manhattan and the bronx. Alot of the NYC haze is crap - it smells like chemicals. but some of it is downright AMAZING. another strain is Sour diesel. I have yet to see the stuff anywhere else in the world. yes, there is "sour diesel" sold everywhere. but it's not the same stuff. there is a trademark sourD that is always identical and can be found in huge quantities all over the city. it goes for upwards of $500/oz and is a yellow-lime-green color thats completely frosted up. when you smoke it, people three blocks away can smell you. it's like one joint of it has the smell of fifteen normal joints packed into it.
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hm. those prices sound comparable to what I pay out here. 50 bucks an eighth is standard.
unfortunately, the delivery service i use charges 60, but you can buy a little less than an eighth for 50. Its also expensive because I always tip the delivery guy five bucks. My choice I know, but I have this thing about tipping.
I had two neighbors who would sell to me for less, but I had no idea what i was getting, and both of them moved away. It was always good shit, but with my crazy brain chemistry, thats playing with fire. (kind of like going to a pharmacy and saying "gimme whatever antibiotic you think is good")
We get a haze, but I can't remember what its called. Obviously not NY.
Availability for certain strains comes and goes. (I sure do miss banana.)
My biggest no-no is skunk weed that has a super high THC content. Ugh. I never knew what it was like to get too stoned until I started smoking again and had some of that shit. It is seriously one of the worst feelings ever. (As cathartic and enjoyable as explosive diarrhea and simultaneous projectile vomiting is, the lead up to it sucked. Can't sit in any position thats comfortable, feel like ass.) Thank god for vitamin C, the THC sucker-upper from god. Quitting smoking helped, too. Tobacco would really intensify the effects of weed for me.
I actually have a perfect setup for a grow room. One of my closets has this hidey hole cubicle in the back, underneath the stairs for the neighbors apartment. (I call it my serial killer room.)
Problem is, the closet has my clothes, and the serial killer room has two huge bookshelves of comic books. Neither of these can be moved anywhere else.
I actually finally figured out how to harvest my herb grinder. (found something online) it was caked up pretty good, so I went with the 15 minute alcohol soak.
problem is, I dont have any sort of sieve mesh fine enough to siphon off the powder. I also dont really know the best way to smoke it, or if I need to put it in a pollen press and make it into hash. (theres not enough.)
I might just leave it for now and continue to use it for future cleanings, but man, Im broke, and sober, and would sure love to see how that stuff smokes.
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thats unfortunate (prices). i thought it was cheaper. my bro was bringing stuff in from cali, paying around 1-2 grand a pound from growers and selling quarter pounds in NYC for the same price, quadrupling his profit. AND, he was paying extra, according to the growers he was buying from, because they knew he was selling it in NY. i heard from people that you can get 8ths of killer bud from dispensaries for $35-$40, and that ounces from brokers and growers of great stuff can be as low as $200.
here in NY, you get .8g for $20 from low-volume dealers (that carry one strain in little baggies) or between 2.5-3g for $80 from the high-class high-volume delivery services (that have strict security protocol and confidentiality, but come within 1hr of calling with 10+ different strains perfectly manicured and preserved in little plastic cubes). New yorkers dont do eights, they do dollar bill denominations until you get to over a half-ounce - that way you always pay the same but get different quantities depending on the strain.
sounds like you dont have a kief grinder/collector. you need to get one. The grinder is on top, and screws onto a bottom piece which is a mesh with a little collector dish under it. the ground weed falls through holes onto the mesh where it is collected. the kief/pollen falls through the mesh onto the dish. after grinding up an ounce or so, you get a nice amount of kief on that dish. just scrape and smoke.
imho, alchohol extraction is not a good idea as it is very difficult to completely evaporate off without heating it and therefore destroying the active ingredients. isopropyl is very bad for your health to consume, and often companies add things to the isopropyl like bittering agents so people wont drink it - which causes anything you extract with it to taste like earwax. if your shit gunks up, you can soak it, but dont use the stuff that comes off. plus, THC degrades with time, especially once it's broken out of the trichrome (that black/brown gunk? thats burst trichrome oils smeared around and oxidized). you're more likely to get dizzy smoking that old stuff than actually get high. it's like smoking two year old brick weed that traveled the country in a car tire.
dont bother with a pollen press. i have a better method, if you have kief:
get a reynolds oven bag (the kind for baking chicken, or using in a vaporizer). cut off a corner, and stuff the kief into that corner, then wrap up the corner of the bag with the kief inside into a tight little package and tape it with masking tape (dont use other tape! it will melt!). you might want to wrap an extra layer of oven bag around that, just to be safe. then, wrap one or two layers of paper towels or newspaper soaked in water around that little package. place the package on a stone or metal flat surface (countertop is perfect). take a clothing iron, and set it to medium-low. once it has heated up, turn the iron off and use it to press down on the package with all of your body weight for a few seconds. do not let the iron sit on the package for more than a few seconds at a time. repeat a few times, while letting the iron cool down. the water prevents the keif from heating up too much and the bag from melting. make sure you use an oven bag or it will melt no matter what. the heat makes the kief sticky and pliable, which then allows you to compress it into a nice package easier. once you've pressed the package a few times, unwrap the paper towel from the baggie and put the baggie in your freezer for a few min. after it's sufficiently cooled, it's not longer sticky and you can unwrap your piece of hash from the oven bag. it should be a very thin wafer. you can fold that wafer and repeat the process if you want to make it thicker.
the above method is very similar to the traditional method of compressing keif into hash. in morocco, they use a pneumatic press that can exert tons of pressure. pressure equals heat. take away some pressure, just compensate with added heat and you get the same result.
another thing, if you decide to grow in your closet, make sure you have ventilation in there. it a common mistake amatuers make. they think if they stick a plant in a closet with a light it will grow. not true. they need fresh air and plenty of Co2. you need to get a vent sucking in air from the outside (or a co2 tank) along with a vent that sucks air out of the closet and expels it outside but not before purifying it with either a carbon filter or ozone, or both (you cant have neighbors smelling your plants, legal or not)
i must agree, banana is the shiznit. a delivery service had some recently, imported from cali. prob in my top 10 of all time.
btw i feel you regarding brain chemistry. I smoked too much too often for too long a while ago (like an 8th or more every day for four years, wake&bake every day) and i started getting major panic attacks. i couldn't handle smoking anything for a few months, and then when i finally was able to smoke again i had to start off smoking low-grade because one hit of anything good would send me into an acid-like trip and panic attack. If you're on tricyclics or trazadone, you may also have some issues. Still, with certain strains i can get that way. Super silver haze does that to me, as does jack herrer and nebula. I had the same problem with opiates too. i was addicted once to oxy, but cleaned up years ago. whenever i take any opiate now, it's the same thing that you describe. I cant sit still, i cant get comfortable, i'm anxious and on edge. i think it's just you're body saying "no more! i've had enough!".
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Thanks for the info re: harvesting! cool.
Correct, I don't have a pollinator. I've just got a plain old herb grinder. Also thanks for the heads up regarding the alcohol.
I keep hearing that about low prices out here, and I have yet to see it. Fifty an eighth is about as low as Ive seen.
I used to go to a dispensary years ago, and I think there were eighths of stuff for 45, but cant remember totally.
One thing Ive been itching to do is make a pot version of my sinful awful evil espresso truffles. but I will probably never be able to afford the amount of weed required to make a butter extract. (damn recipe only needs two tablespoons of butter. cant afford to make a whole pound of the shit.)
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I used to go to a dispensary years ago, and I think there were eighths of stuff for 45, but cant remember totally.
One thing Ive been itching to do is make a pot version of my sinful awful evil espresso truffles. but I will probably never be able to afford the amount of weed required to make a butter extract. (damn recipe only needs two tablespoons of butter. cant afford to make a whole pound of the shit.)
since you have a medical card, find yourself a grower and list him / make him your caretaker. you will get stuff much cheaper that way, and you'll have oversight and greater say in what kind of weed gets grown for you and how. it's so expensive to you because you are a consumer at the very bottom rung of the supply chain. there are like ten people taxing you before it finally gets to you. maybe even just one greedy person pretending there's ten people taxing him. cut out the middle man. you can also save up money and buy a large amount from a grower. you can get huge discounts that way. even in nyc where pounds go for five grand, you can get a pound from a grower for 2-3 grand. learn to preserve it properly. seal it in small air-tight french canning jars and freeze it. it will last years, just once you take a jar out of the freezer and open it, dont put it back in. therefore, small jars are best. also, if you willing to drive a little, i hear that in most isolated towns up in the mountains of the emerald triangle (humboldt) there is copious amounts of weed to be had a dirt cheap prices. all you have to do is just ask around. my freind that would bring stuff to NY....his first time, he went to a notoriously grow-house ridden neighborhood near mt shasta, and stood outside a bank untill he saw a blinged-out hippie walk in with a bag of cash. when the hippe walked out, he lit a joint and said "hey, i'm from new york, do you know where i can find myself a few pounds of ill chronic?" that hippie took him on a tour of the neighborhood, and helped him shop around at different houses for a $300 fee. the kid bought like 30 pounds of weed, all different kinds from different growers, drove it back to new york, and was able to pay for three years of college tuition and a nice car with the money he made.
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damn, wow.
No, I dont have a card any more. No desire to get a new one. My usage is rather low. (Normally takes me a week to go through an 8th.) and I dont smoke consistently. (try not to, anyways. makes me lazier.)
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with that level of usage, it is true, you have little need for that advice.
btw, you dont need to make a pound of butter to bake weed.
timothy leary used to make smores with weed by just sandwiching the weed in with a little butter. sometimes when i make pasta, after i drain the pasta, i take a tiny little saucepan with a little olive oil and throw some ground weed in there, and let it heat up and mix it for a few min, maybe throw a little garlic and basil in with it. then i just dump the olive oil on the pasta and enjoy.
get yourself a tiny litte saucepan. put in your two tablespoons of butter, toss in some well-ground weed, and hold it at an angle so the little bit of butter settles in a corner with the weed and has some depth, and is not just frying on a thin layer. mix it around, pour it through a tea-strainer, and you got yourself a tiny batch of weed butter.
another thing that works, that you can get creative with, is whole milk. Heat some whole milk up like you would for cocoa, and then throw in the weed. you may need to add a little heavy cream or unsalted butter to add some fats to it, if your whole milk is not that "whole". strain as you normally would, if you feel like it, then you can use the milk for whatever - cocoa, coffee, tea, ice cream, eggnog etc. try throwing in a few tablespoons of poppy seeds, some chocolate and a tiny pinch of nutmeg, the weed/nutmeg/poppy/chocolate milk taste combination is killer.
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would it work for coconut milk? thats what the recipe uses.
and as for the weed in butter, what about kief? maybe cause its finer it might work better. also more potent.
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Looks like someone's been spending too much time on erowid. That's the thing about the internet, you can look like you know shit about shit when you really don't know shit.
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i dont know about coconut. it has to be fatty/oily, or a solvent. thats the only requirement. if coconut milk is fatty, then yes, it will work.
the active principles in marijuana are entirely contained within the trichomes (the kief). the plant matter itself, without the trichrome, has no effect whatsoever (sometimes trichromes are so small you cant see them, or there buried, but they are there). when you cook weed in an oil or soak it in alcohol, you are dissolving the trichomes and their contents, along with a few other non-psychotropic compounds from the plant matter into the liquid. so using kief would be the same thing, it would just taste a little different - a little less "green".
you have to be careful using kief though. as you probably know, eating is not like smoking and if you eat just a little too much you will be incapacitated the rest of the day, potentially tripping your ass off. Since kief is so concentrated, you have to be careful about how much you put in, and it is difficult to judge the potency without a very accurate scale and lots of testing, and since you probably have a very limited amount of kief and dont have that much of a tolerance, i personally would not suggest you use kief for eating. it would work though.....
Using kief to cook makes more sense if you have large quantities of standardized low-potency hash (hash is compressed kief), like moroccan hash. in amsterdam, all of the baked goods at the coffeshops utilize blonde low potency moroccan hash.
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Looks like someone's been spending too much time on erowid. That's the thing about the internet, you can look like you know shit about shit when you really don't know shit.
what's erowid?
is fifteen years of daily smoking, four years of growing, and eight years of selling (two of those in amsterdam, five in new york, one in colorado) enough experience for you to "know shit"? eh?
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Looks like someone's been spending too much time on erowid. That's the thing about the internet, you can look like you know shit about shit when you really don't know shit.
what's erowid?
is fifteen years of daily smoking, four years of growing, and eight years of selling (two of those in amsterdam, five in new york, one in colorado) enough experience for you to "know shit"? eh?
Yeah, sure. You win the intelligence award for declaring your illegal activities to the entire world. Or you could be full of shit, like everyone else who brags to random people on the internet. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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my posts speak for themselves. check the facts yourself. You sound like a demagouge who has been living under a rock the last fifteen years. since when everything to do with marijuana illegal?
no, i'm not that stupid to broadcast my "illegal" activies online to the world, annon or not. with the exception of personal possession, intake, and a my five year stint selling dime bags in highschool/early college in NY (either not arrestable or provable crimes, also the statue of limitation has run out in worst case scenario), i havnt broken the law since i was 19....i'm 31 now. i grew and sold pot both years in amsterdam (legally), for a year in colorado (legally, with permit) and a year in alaska (also legally). of my eight years spent selling three were legal: two were in amsterdam: one as a coffeshop clerk, the other as a runner; one year in colorado where i was a medical caretaker, growing and selling weed not for profit to cancer and aids patients.
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my posts speak for themselves. check the facts yourself. You sound like a demagouge who has been living under a rock the last fifteen years. since when everything to do with marijuana illegal?
no, i'm not that stupid to broadcast my "illegal" activies online to the world, annon or not. with the exception of personal possession, intake, and a my five year stint selling dime bags in highschool/early college in NY (either not arrestable or provable crimes, also the statue of limitation has run out in worst case scenario), i havnt broken the law since i was 19....i'm 31 now. i grew and sold pot both years in amsterdam (legally), for a year in colorado (legally, with permit) and a year in alaska (also legally). of my eight years spent selling three were legal: two were in amsterdam: one as a coffeshop clerk, the other as a runner; one year in colorado where i was a medical caretaker, growing and selling weed not for profit to cancer and aids patients.
If you did these things you wouldn't feel the need to tell random people on the net, right? It's obvious you are a troll out to bullshit as many people as you can. I'm calling you on your bullshit because I asked somebody who knows about this stuff and said your info was all wrong, the kind of stuff 14 year olds tell each other after reading about pot on the internet. Go back to class kid, mommy might get mad.
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really? like what specifically did i say that was wrong? i'd like to hear it....
I have a feeling you probably just asked your coworker in the cubicle next door, who once upon a time may have smoked some weed. By virtue of the fact that you cannot judge the accuracy of the statements yourself, you are obviously not a stoner. because you are not a stoner, you likely do not know anyone who is a well-versed stoner, nor do you have the resources and knowledge to check my facts.
keep in mind most people dont know shit about shit when it comes to marijuana. it's that they either think all they read online is true (often bullshit) or what they hear from each other is true (also often bullshit). like you said.
therefore, asking your co-worker is not a reliable way to check facts.
i remember how back in the day i was talking to some guy who swore bannanadine made you trip, and that LSD accumulates in your spine so when you crack it you trip. that sounds like your friend you went to to check the facts.
as i said, i dont need to prove anything, my posts speak for themselves. anyone with enough time and resources to check my facts with reliable sources can, and will, find everything is true.
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really? like what specifically did i say that was wrong? i'd like to hear it....
I have a feeling you probably just asked your coworker in the cubicle next door, who once upon a time may have smoked some weed. By virtue of the fact that you cannot judge the accuracy of the statements yourself, you are obviously not a stoner. because you are not a stoner, you likely do not know anyone who is a well-versed stoner, nor do you have the resources and knowledge to check my facts.
keep in mind most people dont know shit about shit when it comes to marijuana. it's that they either think all they read online is true (often bullshit) or what they hear from each other is true (also often bullshit). like you said.
therefore, asking your co-worker is not a reliable way to check facts.
i remember how back in the day i was talking to some guy who swore bannanadine made you trip, and that LSD accumulates in your spine so when you crack it you trip. that sounds like your friend you went to to check the facts.
as i said, i dont need to prove anything, my posts speak for themselves. anyone with enough time and resources to check my facts with reliable sources can, and will, find everything is true.
Nope. I asked somebody who knows way more about this stuff than you do. They are still laughing at your posts! They really think you are some fourteen year old kid or something just fluffing everyone on here for kicks. I told them you are probably just some psychologically damaged program survivor and they should lay off. For some reason that only caused them to laugh even harder, once I explained what that meant.
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again, what specifically did i say that he thought was bullshit?
i'd like to hear it, so i can ream your pretend friend a new one.
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again, what specifically did i say that he thought was bullshit?
i'd like to hear it, so i can ream your pretend friend a new one.
Don't you have to get to class, little buddy? Gotta love this internet tough guy! LoLoLoL!!!!!
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just what i thought. a troll.
go on, go smoke your pretend weed with your pretend friend. i'll send you a babysitter shortly.
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This thread had taken a perfectly lovely topic deviation and was quite nice before twits jumped in and began bitch bitch bickering.
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just what i thought. a troll.
go on, go smoke your pretend weed with your pretend friend. i'll send you a babysitter shortly.
Don't get all upset that someone called you on your bullshit. I'm sure someone is ignorant enough here and will be impressed by your misinformation and bravado.
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lol. you know, when we were conversing earlier in this thread about weed, I had a pretty good feeling someone would drop by to troll.
He never did answer what erowid was, did he?
Whenever I read that kind of stuff, I always think whomever's behind the kb looks like Millhouse, for some reason. Except that his pubes are red.
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lol. i know.... i hate trolls.
you should really get yourself some good weed though and try smoking it. if you dont like it you can fedex it to me here in nyc and me and my jew friends can sell it. we are busy taking down hla and need some funds. dude you have no idea what youre missing. im the big dog in nyc and all the people know who i am. look me up. maybe ill send you a plain ticket and you can come here and toss my salad what do you say...... the ladies all call me big papa.
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lol. i know.... i hate trolls.
you should really get yourself some good weed though and try smoking it. if you dont like it you can fedex it to me here in nyc and me and my jew friends can sell it. we are busy taking down hla and need some funds. dude you have no idea what youre missing. im the big dog in nyc and all the people know who i am. look me up. maybe ill send you a plain ticket and you can come here and toss my salad what do you say...... the ladies all call me big papa.
oh, good, you're back. I left you a message in the other thread you're trolling right now.
Sorry, Im not really into ginger pubes.
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now this troll is imitating me.... what a total loser.
i think this troll must be really ugly and has nothing better to do.
castle....... AIM me @ weedMastaP
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warning: weedmastap is NOT the person u were conversing with castle! its the troll again.
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warning: weedmastap is NOT the person u were conversing with castle! its the troll again.
shut up troll.... i take comfort in the fact i know you are ugly. you ugly troll, you.
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warning: weedmastap is NOT the person u were conversing with castle! its the troll again.
lol.. I gathered that.
But I love him anyway. I am his number one fan and will never leave his side. Sure, he has flaws, but so do we all.
yay! :birthday:
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i think our troll's name is John english: portland drug policy examiner.
http://www.examiner.com/x-11932-Portlan ... y-Examiner (http://www.examiner.com/x-11932-Portland-Drug-Policy-Examiner)
check it out, for shits and giggles. he's like anslinger, M newton, nancy reagan, all rolled into one big fat spliff.
that i smoked.
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some links to articles regarding seized mail packages of marijuana:
http://www.thehawkeye.com/Story/Texas-weed-090309 (http://www.thehawkeye.com/Story/Texas-weed-090309)
http://www.readingeagle.com/article.aspx?id=155243 (http://www.readingeagle.com/article.aspx?id=155243)
http://www.courant.com/community/bridge ... 3792.story (http://www.courant.com/community/bridgeport/hc-web-bridgeport-drug-bust-0821aug21,0,3083792.story)
http://www.thedailyreporter.com/news/x1 ... ear-school (http://www.thedailyreporter.com/news/x1528806619/11-lbs-of-pot-large-sum-of-cash-seized-from-residence-near-school)
http://www.newsherald.com/news/panama-7 ... olice.html (http://www.newsherald.com/news/panama-76768-mail-police.html)
for every package they find, a thousand slip through the cracks.
still, if you're a good driver with no record, driving it across the country is alot safer.
and we jews make great drug dealers. unlike other minorities, all the cops think we are all doogooding nerds. When we get stopped in nebraska, they tend to ask us more about weather or not were intrested in attending their church service and accepting jesus christ as our lord and savior than about weather we are willing to give consent to search. Oh, and dont mind the smell. thats the smell of fresh latkes and gifeltefish, not weed.
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Damn, links to articles? That's some hard core shit right there, brauh. You are well on your way to becoming a jewish scarface.
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Helz yeah! i gunna to weed like what Mayer Lansky was to alcohol and Viktor Bout was to ak-47's rolled into one. big. spliff.
that i smoked.
it's time to edumicate you gentiles bout them hebrew gangstas.
lesson 1: the circumcised member.
-Better than the uncircumcised member. it provides greater pleasure, and resistance to diseases such as the gentile cooties. Note the sexual superiority of individuals brandishing a circumcised penis over the gentiles who have not had the pleasure of having a bris.
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Note:
The guest from before - the one talking about NYC haze, i must interject a correction:
What was known as "haze" in nyc a few years ago has now migrated slang-terms; now known as "piff". although the NYC haze was available in nyc only for quite a while, it is now available up and down both coasts. around 06' a huge dominican gang was busted in the heights (around dykman and post...every new york pothead knows the area, it's even on webehigh). for years prior, they had a monopoly on the haze. if you were caught selling haze, and it wasnt theirs, expect to be hurt badly. after they were busted, whoever the growers were started distributing the seeds and now it's available everywhere there is a large population of weed connoisseurs.
I can also attest that what the prior guest was saying was true regarding new york prices and business, and cooking/chemistry. also, it is very likely that the story about the individual bringing over 30lbs from california is true, that sort of thing happens all the time, although the guest may have been bloviating a bit. I'm not going to go into detail, but here are some links that may help you understand the facts guest was talking about:
Study on NYC marijuana markets:
http://www.allacademic.com/meta/p_mla_a ... index.html (http://www.allacademic.com/meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/1/2/6/5/9/p126597_index.html)
Delivery services:
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2007/0326/078.html (http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2007/0326/078.html)
http://hightimes.com/news/dan/3753 (http://hightimes.com/news/dan/3753)
the chemistry and taxonomy bit you guys can find on your own...the basic aspects of cannabis chemistry and botany is fairly common knowledge in the international cannabis community.
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big bust by MT SHASTA:
http://www.mtshastanews.com/news/x39314 ... 115-plants (http://www.mtshastanews.com/news/x393146558/Rainbow-Ridge-marijuana-bust-yields-39-115-plants)
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The Sherriff’s Department encourages the public to exercise caution when travelling in remote areas, whether it is public or private land.
A shiny golden duck to anyone who can explain the logic of this statement to me.
LOL, poor California drug agents. I think even they know how obsolete they are. I wonder what it feels like to be the cop version of an Apple Lisa?
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well....duh you need to excesize caution. you might run into a bear. or a moose. or a snake. or walk off a cliff, or slip into a raging river, or maybe just slip on a rock and break your neck, or just a finger, or maybe god forbid you forget toilet paper and end up using poison ivy instead. sometimes hikers step into hunting traps, or get shot by hunters, or accidentally wander into the wrong person's backyard and get blasted with rocksalt.
Worst-case scenario: you stumble upon a field of marijuana and proceed to get high as a kite. then realize you forgot where you are, you dropped you bag with your map, food, compass and cellphone somewhere oer' yonder by the edge of the field somewhere, and there's some mexicans waving shiny metal objects in your face.
like anyone with wilderness knowledge would make the mistake of stepping anywhere near a suspected marijuana crop anywhere in the country - it's been known for years (like, since your mama was in diapers) that those crops tend to be boobytrapped and guarded by unsavory characters (usually mexicans, jamaicans, and hillbillies......with BIG GUNS....duh!....and rarely a hippie that might just offer you some tofu pie and a joint). if you're smart enough to bring enough water and a map/compass, you're smart enough to stay the fuck away. no need in re-stating the obvious. if you're so stupid that you decided to let your need to party get ahead of you're need to not get shot, then good riddance. growers have guns in the first place because of people like you....
one thing i laughed quite a bit about is the recent media frenzy over the forest service in colorado warning the public to stay away from (and notify authorities) any hispanics that may be long-term campers that drink tacate beer, eat tortillas, and play spanish music, as they are probably armed marijuana growers. well, cabron', there is no reason for you, a wetback, to be chillin in the woods all summer long at one campsite.....drinking beer and playing spanish music with your hombres, unless you are getting paid to do it. you mexicants have got some work to do...isnt that why you came to the US? the only way you're getting paid to sit around in the woods all summer long is by growing some mota. comprende? so i say quit throwing a nation-wide hissy fit just cuz the cops wanted to warn grandpa joe about your cousin, the guy with guns in the woods growing weed, that may or may not have chopped up and used the last hiker's body who stumbled upon their grow for organic fertilizer.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... wD9ANRVL80 (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hP55j76QgBmuSxnDQEDFRvEjVmQwD9ANRVL80)
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LOL, poor California drug agents. I think even they know how obsolete they are. I wonder what it feels like to be the cop version of an Apple Lisa?
considering how much money they waste, a more accurate analogy would be the ENIAC (first computer ever, $500,000 in 46' dollars, 27 tons, 63 cubic meters big, and used 150Kw of power).
and although my above post bout the mexicants in the woods was intended to be sarcastic, it is true, forests throughout the country, particularly in northern california (cartels, hippies) and appalachia(mafia, prison gangs, bikers, hillbillies), are infested with grow-ops that are guarded by people (see beginning of my pathetically run-on sentence) that have a variety of creative ways to keep you silent (like blowing your head off).
YES! i love parentheses.
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lol. I know that if I were walking through the woods and happened upon a large weed crop, I'd back the fuck out of there pretty damn quick.
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that is, if you're leg hasnt yet been blown off yet by a booby trap.
funny thing, the outdoor MJ grow situation is pretty similar to alcohol bootlegging back during prohibition. they had the same situation in appalachia, where bootleggers would set up a long-term camp in some isolated part of the woods and produce large amounts of contraband. they were all armed and ruthless just like how they are now. they have interstate smugglers now just like before. back then, people would outfit their cars to outrun the cop cars and just drive cases of it up from the south. now, people outfit their cars to blend in with traffic, try to drive perfectly, and haul up to hundreds of pounds cross country from the west coast. NASCAR came from bootlegging. i wonder what will come from weed....competitions on driving cross country without a single ticket? on smooth talking LEO's? we have yet to see.....but i'm putting money on there being a weed-derived sport one day.
the forest service should just tell people to stay on the trails, and if they plan on bushwhacking to bring an emergency locator beacon of some sort and a firearm.....although i think that's kinda common sense. it's not just marijuana growers...there's aggressive bears you might need to shoot, you might end up slipping and breaking your leg, or you might just get lost.
legalize it, and we'll have one less thing to worry about.
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Really great replies. Understanding the source of your sleep disorder is key to finding the right resolution. keep in mind most people don't know shit about shit when it comes to marijuana. it's that they either think all they read online is true or what they hear from each other is true.
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so what's the shit we don't know about MJ?
I mean, I don't know shit because I don't smoke it, but maybe it will help me understand the stoners in my life. I mean how much is there to know? You like it, don't like it, don't care...
I like it when uptight or Type A people smoke. That's what I know.
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