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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) => Topic started by: CCM girl 1989 on April 17, 2006, 01:02:00 PM

Title: WWASPS Documentary still around!
Post by: CCM girl 1989 on April 17, 2006, 01:02:00 PM
I just wanted to remind all those coming here to Fornits for information, that this documentary on WWASPS is still around. At least for the time being!


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 0196191412 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4825219190196191412)
Title: WWASPS Documentary still around!
Post by: Anonymous on April 18, 2006, 09:19:00 AM
I saved it.  Hopefully it doesn't disappear.
Title: WWASPS Documentary still around!
Post by: Anonymous on April 18, 2006, 09:26:00 AM
If anyone is interested in saving it forever or burning it to a DVD or whatever you might want to download it using BitTorrent, it is still widely available there.
Title: WWASPS Documentary still around!
Post by: Anonymous on April 18, 2006, 11:16:00 AM
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On 2006-04-17 10:02:00, CCM girl 1989 wrote:

"I just wanted to remind all those coming here to Fornits for information, that this documentary on WWASPS is still around. At least for the time being!





http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 0196191412 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4825219190196191412)









"


Isn't anyone else disturbed at the way this documentary attacks the Morman church? It actually states they want to take over the world. that's pretty heavy conspiracy theory. I'm not Mormon, and don't buy much of their doctrine, but it's a mainstream religion, and the mormmans I know don't fit this picture at all. this film rubs unconmmfortabley against my respect for freedom of religion.
Title: WWASPS Documentary still around!
Post by: Anonymous on April 18, 2006, 11:18:00 AM
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On 2006-04-18 08:16:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-04-17 10:02:00, CCM girl 1989 wrote:


"I just wanted to remind all those coming here to Fornits for information, that this documentary on WWASPS is still around. At least for the time being!








http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 0196191412 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4825219190196191412)














"




Isn't anyone else disturbed at the way this documentary attacks the Morman church? It actually states they want to take over the world. that's pretty heavy conspiracy theory. I'm not Mormon, and don't buy much of their doctrine, but it's a mainstream religion, and the mormmans I know don't fit this picture at all. this film rubs unconmmfortabley against my respect for freedom of religion.

"


How does it sit with your respect for freedom of speech?
Title: WWASPS Documentary still around!
Post by: ConstentGardener on April 18, 2006, 11:36:00 AM
This is part of Mormon doctrine. It has been from the beginning. It is one of the many ideas borrowed from the Freemasons. The various Mormon splinter groups differ in their approach to accomplishing this goal, but it is a goal that is shared throughout Mormonism. If you doubt this, I can only suggest you educate yourself on the subject of Mormonism. Mormons are no different from other religious groups. The average Mormon has no idea of the larger agenda; what it is, or why it is. Mormonism is especially designed this way. Like the freemasons after which the faith was modeled, the members on the lower levels have no idea of the policies held by those at the top. This is intentionally done. The lower level members not being considered worthy of the knowledge. As a result, if even good Mormons what to learn about the more secrete doctrines of their faith, they must turn to "critical" writings, often written by X-Mormons. Naturally, they are forbidden to read such material. For example, even thought it be a bed rock article of the Mormon faith, new prospective converts are not told that they are gods. This information only comes after a good deal of involvement and commitment to the LDS has been established. But it could be true, that the Mormon aspects of the program problem should have been omitted. Not because they are not true; but because as a result of the disclosure, the Saints will discount the film entirely. And in Utah, you will not accomplish any reform with out the Saints help. Because they have achieved their goal of Theocracy in the state of Utah.
Title: WWASPS Documentary still around!
Post by: Anonymous on April 18, 2006, 01:08:00 PM
Quote
Isn't anyone else disturbed at the way this documentary attacks the Morman church? It actually states they want to take over the world. that's pretty heavy conspiracy theory. I'm not Mormon, and don't buy much of their doctrine, but it's a mainstream religion, and the mormmans I know don't fit this picture at all. this film rubs unconmmfortabley against my respect for freedom of religion.


I wasn't disturbed at all, I think it's an important part of this story. But, I don't think TB was made to 'take over the world', I think it was made to make a LOT of money really fast at the expense of teens and their families. I don't think the people running WWASP are spiritual, maybe religious, but not spiritual -- they seem more like diehard capitalists searching for their own salvation, money.
Title: WWASPS Documentary still around!
Post by: Anonymous on April 18, 2006, 02:19:00 PM
Quote
On 2006-04-17 10:02:00, CCM girl 1989 wrote:

"I just wanted to remind all those coming here to Fornits for information, that this documentary on WWASPS is still around. At least for the time being!





http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 0196191412 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4825219190196191412)









"


Thanks you CCM - I needed to email it today!  :grin:
Title: WWASPS Documentary still around!
Post by: CCM girl 1989 on April 18, 2006, 02:52:00 PM
As far as the mormon church goes..........well, Robert Lichfield calls himself some kind of Gospel Doctrine Teacher for the church. Also, the church collects about 10% OF WHAT PEOPLE MAKE, CORRECT?!!

I hate to bring religon into anything, but HELLO!!! This guy, is a bad. Why they don't do something about it..........I don't know?

M-O-N-E-Y
Title: WWASPS Documentary still around!
Post by: Anonymous on April 18, 2006, 04:07:00 PM
http://www.mininova.org/tor/262269 (http://www.mininova.org/tor/262269)

What are *seeds* and *leechers*?
Title: WWASPS Documentary still around!
Post by: Anonymous on April 18, 2006, 04:24:00 PM
http://www.filmfestival.gr/docfestival/ ... ons&id=313 (http://www.filmfestival.gr/docfestival/2006/index.php?page=filmdetails&ln=en&box=psections&id=313)
Title: WWASPS Documentary still around!
Post by: Anonymous on April 18, 2006, 07:32:00 PM
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On 2006-04-18 13:07:00, Anonymous wrote:

"http://www.mininova.org/tor/262269



What are *seeds* and *leechers*?"


What are seeders?

A seed is a peer that has a complete copy of the torrent and still offers it for upload. The more seeds or seeders there are, the better the chances are for completion of the file.

What are leechers?

A leech is a peer that does not have a complete copy of the torrent yet. When downloading is complete, it may stay around and seed the file as a seed so that others can complete their download. The term leech is also used for peers that have very poor upload/download ratios or leave the swarm immediately after their downloads are complete.

 :em:
Title: WWASPS Documentary still around!
Post by: Anonymous on April 18, 2006, 07:55:00 PM
Who is the lady talking on the phone to the therapist?  Drilling him about whether he reported any abuse?  It's at the beginning of the documentary.  One of the parents?
Title: WWASPS Documentary still around!
Post by: Anonymous on April 18, 2006, 09:55:00 PM
So do Yeshivas in the Jewish Religion AND the church passes around a plate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: WWASPS Documentary still around!
Post by: Anonymous on April 18, 2006, 09:58:00 PM
Quote

On 2006-04-18 16:32:00, Anonymous wrote:


What are seeders?



A seed is a peer that has a complete copy of the torrent and still offers it for upload. The more seeds or seeders there are, the better the chances are for completion of the file.



What are leechers?



A leech is a peer that does not have a complete copy of the torrent yet. When downloading is complete, it may stay around and seed the file as a seed so that others can complete their download. The term leech is also used for peers that have very poor upload/download ratios or leave the swarm immediately after their downloads are complete.



 ::bandit::
Title: WWASPS Documentary still around!
Post by: CCM girl 1989 on April 19, 2006, 08:03:00 PM
Still going strong. The world will see, it can't be stopped. No matter what. I think I will write a letter of appreciation to these gentleman.
Title: WWASPS Documentary still around!
Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2006, 09:23:00 PM
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On 2006-04-18 16:55:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Who is the lady talking on the phone to the therapist?  Drilling him about whether he reported any abuse?  It's at the beginning of the documentary.  One of the parents? "


It sounded like a parent but that's just a guess, could have been a narrator, or something?
Title: WWASPS Documentary still around!
Post by: Deborah on April 19, 2006, 09:56:00 PM
Bob has stated publicly that he is doing "god's work". And in the video stated his "in'trest was bizness." Still is far as I can tell.
Title: WWASPS Documentary still around!
Post by: emaree on April 19, 2006, 10:14:00 PM
This is a request for anyone who downloaded the documentary through bit torrent...the number of people seeding the torrent is slowly declining and making it almost impossible to download. Right now mine is sitting at 94 days...it would be really awesome and much appreciated if anyone who has the file could "re-seed" it. You just have to reconnect to the torrent. I personally plan to do this once I have the file, for as long as I can. Thanks in advamce.
Title: WWASPS Documentary still around!
Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2006, 10:50:00 PM
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On 2006-04-19 18:23:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-04-18 16:55:00, Anonymous wrote:


"Who is the lady talking on the phone to the therapist?  Drilling him about whether he reported any abuse?  It's at the beginning of the documentary.  One of the parents? "




It sounded like a parent but that's just a guess, could have been a narrator, or something?"


Have you folks listened to what she is saying?
She says her son told her about OP. She is concerned about her son who was recently returned home from TB - its a parent.
Title: WWASPS Documentary still around!
Post by: CCM girl 1989 on April 20, 2006, 01:08:00 AM
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On 2006-04-19 18:56:00, Deborah wrote:

"

Bob has stated publicly that he is doing "god's work". And in the video stated his "in'trest was bizness." Still is far as I can tell.

"


I believe he said that twice (business comment). If you study his interview on tape, you can tell when he is lying. Look the guy never graduated from college. There is no proof he went! He says that it's possible he may have taken some psychology classes, but that he couldn't swear to it? Um, I attended college.....and if you were to ask me if I took a specific class, I would be able to tell you if I had or hadn't. Hell, I would have no problem swearing to it!?!! But, he does????? Interesting............
Title: WWASPS Documentary still around!
Post by: Anonymous on April 20, 2006, 06:07:00 PM
any new google links up with this doc- maybe someone posted under a different name?
Title: WWASPS Documentary still around!
Post by: CCM girl 1989 on April 20, 2006, 08:06:00 PM
I guess this link no longer works? Surprise, surprise! There are people who have downloaded it, I am sure if you ask around you may obtain a copy. Sorry, I did not download it myself.

Good Luck!
Title: WWASPS Documentary still around!
Post by: Anonymous on April 30, 2006, 11:22:00 AM
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On 2006-04-18 08:36:00, ConstentGardener wrote:

"This is part of Mormon doctrine. It has been from the beginning. It is one of the many ideas borrowed from the Freemasons. The various Mormon splinter groups differ in their approach to accomplishing this goal, but it is a goal that is shared throughout Mormonism. If you doubt this, I can only suggest you educate yourself on the subject of Mormonism. Mormons are no different from other religious groups. The average Mormon has no idea of the larger agenda; what it is, or why it is. Mormonism is especially designed this way. Like the freemasons after which the faith was modeled, the members on the lower levels have no idea of the policies held by those at the top. This is intentionally done. The lower level members not being considered worthy of the knowledge. As a result, if even good Mormons what to learn about the more secrete doctrines of their faith, they must turn to "critical" writings, often written by X-Mormons. Naturally, they are forbidden to read such material. For example, even thought it be a bed rock article of the Mormon faith, new prospective converts are not told that they are gods. This information only comes after a good deal of involvement and commitment to the LDS has been established. But it could be true, that the Mormon aspects of the program problem should have been omitted. Not because they are not true; but because as a result of the disclosure, the Saints will discount the film entirely. And in Utah, you will not accomplish any reform with out the Saints help. Because they have achieved their goal of Theocracy in the state of Utah. "


So far, I can find nothing that says the Mormon church condemns the abuse of children under the banner of for-profit salvation.
Title: went to wwasp school
Post by: Anonymous on November 21, 2006, 11:02:38 PM
i went to academy at ivy ridge for 9 months, i cant seem to find the documentary made on wwasp schools, if anyone can email me about it that would be great
[email protected]
thanks
Title: WWASPS Documentary still around!
Post by: Anonymous on November 22, 2006, 05:43:19 AM
There's a new documentary available that was just done by the Montana PBS - go to www.caica.org (http://www.caica.org) and you will find a link to it there on their front page.
Title: WWASPS Documentary still around!
Post by: Anonymous on November 22, 2006, 10:06:01 AM
Here's the link to the documentary

http://montanapbs.org/ (http://montanapbs.org/)
Title: Isabelle Zehnder and Sue Scheff
Post by: Anonymous on November 24, 2006, 09:55:22 PM
message to Sue Scheff and Fat-so Isabelle Zehnder a/k/a CAICA:

Get your fat asses off of fornits and stop promoting your sorry selves here.


Quote from: ""Guest""
There's a new documentary available that was just done by the Montana PBS - go to www.CA_CA.org (http://www.CA_CA.org) and you will find a link to it there on their front page.
Title: WWASPS Documentary still around!
Post by: Anonymous on November 25, 2006, 12:40:48 AM
Is the the only way Izzy can get readership over on CA-CA is by posting here on fornits and linking to her seemingly pitiful site?
It appears that Sue-sue is promoting her on PURE. Guess that just isn't getting folks to read CA-CA, is it?
Title: Isabelle Zehnder (Fat-S0) and Sue Scheff (Sue-Sue Con)
Post by: Anonymous on November 25, 2006, 09:37:12 AM
Izzy (Fat-So) and Sue-Sue (Ugh- Lee) will do anything to get attention.  Anything.  Maybe these 2 Losers will put up naked photos of themselves next.
Title: WWASPS Documentary still around!
Post by: BuzzKill on November 25, 2006, 04:03:50 PM
Back to the subject of the thread. . .

Did I hear Ken Kay correctly - that his kid (Jay Kay) might be "money ahead" if he had taped his mouth shut? If you watch this film you'll see Ken Kay talking about Chris Goodwin's testimony that he had witnessed a girl at Cross Creek with a three inch strip of  [duct] tape across her mouth. The reporter for PBS was asking Ken if in his opinion that was abuse. He struggled a bit with that question -  saying he wasn't the right one to answer it; he didn't know; he had seen cases in public school where he thought it might be a good idea; he had been tempted to with his kids but never had b/c it wasn't his style. But then said maybe he was wrong [not to tape his kids mouth shut] that maybe if he had they would be - what did he say again?? It sounded like "money ahead"??

And can you believe that Chaffin Pullan?? No way was he going to just answer the question! Our students have the opportunity to - this that and the other thing - but no way man, was he going to talk about those who end up in the Hobit for most of the  year.

And speaking of stumped for an answer - how 'bout that sheriff! I would hope after this has aired, all Bobby's money and all Bobby's men, won't get that man elected sheriff again!

I wish they had had the time to explore the nature and history of the seminars. This is so important to understand how the program continues to operate, and yet it is so seldom explained.

I also found myself wishing they were clearer about the conditions at High Impact. For example - it might have been worth pointing out it was in the desert - and the kids were being forced to march in sweat suits.  The cattle prods being used as an incentive to remain in the appointed position are also worth note.

But over all, given time constraints, they did a good job of explaining the issue of this industry's lack of oversight the subsequent dangers; and that was their focus.
Title: montana documentary
Post by: blownawaytheidahoway on November 27, 2006, 10:50:12 AM
Watching that brought back a lot of memories.
I had never seen it before, it's bound to make a difference if it hasn't already. I know that some people do regret their involvement in these places. Law enforcement officers, day/night employers, REAL teachers, parents, and kids were all duped by this industry.
I just knew that I must've had rights I was being denied. It took a "high impact" program just to make me "agree" to return to my program. Just because I didn't die and my arm didn't get broken doesn't mean it was all ok!
Title: REDACTED
Post by: blownawaytheidahoway on November 27, 2006, 10:50:48 AM
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Title: WWASPS Documentary still around!
Post by: Anonymous on November 27, 2006, 11:43:51 AM
Word on the street is...

SCL is down to just over 200 kids (they peaked at over 500 a couple year ago, in 2000 it was around 300 kids. They only have four lower level boys families now and two lower level girls...

parents seem to be wising up? economy slowing and parents running out of money? whatever it is... glad its happening.
Title: WWASPS Documentary still around!
Post by: Anonymous on November 27, 2006, 08:31:15 PM
That is great news that enrollment is dwindling.
On a much smaller scale, that is how Whitmore Academy finally closed in Nephi, Utah.
The Sudweeks' enrollment peaked at about 47 kids in 2004. Then the abuse allegations became public.  Four families removed their children immediately. Then slowly, the enrollment began to dwindle as more parents withdrew their kids.  Then, fewer kids were enrolled after Cheryl Sudweeks was charged with criminal child abuse. Finally the place was closed in 2006!!!!!
Title: WWASPS Documentary still around!
Post by: Anonymous on December 29, 2006, 01:19:54 PM
Does anyone know what is going on with the WWASPS documentary? Is out and avilable to buy? Is there lawsuits against it or something? Is it EVER going to get released?

ANY INFORMATION OR EVEN RUMOR IS GREATLY APPRECIATED!

 :exclaim:  :exclaim:  :exclaim:  :exclaim:
Title: WWASPS Documentary still around!
Post by: Anonymous on December 29, 2006, 01:39:58 PM
Anybody notice the disagreement that seemed to erupt between certain orgs. over the promotion of this documentary in the U.S yet no one to this day knows why the documentary has not been released here except possibly those featured in it and these orgs?

This is a really strange scenario in that the documentary was aired in other countries but not available for distribution here.  I think an explanation is definitly in order.

Good place to start would be to contact Sue Scheff who claims on her website she was contacted by the French producers.  Another one is Paula Reeves, who has some contact info for the French producers on her website. (paulareeves.com)

Personally, I think the documentary was good but probably made a major misstep comparing the prophet Joseph Smith to B.F. Skinner.  Perhaps the LDS church has gotten involved though I doubt they even know about the documentary and besides, that could be an opinion that falls under creative license?  Beats me. Just wish the mystery surrounding this documentary would be unveiled so we wouldn't have to speculate and/or rely on rumor or innuendo.
Title: WWASPS Documentary still around!
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2007, 07:49:49 PM
Here in England my family saw the longer film of an hour and a half. I also saw the shortie george version in Australia. I don't get it. The longer version is better but the short version seems to be taken from the long one.

The one we saw in Europe was brillant and made us cry. Why hasn't it been released on the American tellies yet?
Title: WWASPS Documentary still around!
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2007, 09:24:15 PM
There's a long discussion on this TB Documentary on the
PURE Bullshit CAICA thread.......
Title: WWASPS Documentary still around!
Post by: Nihilanthic on January 06, 2007, 06:08:23 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Here in England my family saw the longer film of an hour and a half. I also saw the shortie george version in Australia. I don't get it. The longer version is better but the short version seems to be taken from the long one.

The one we saw in Europe was brillant and made us cry. Why hasn't it been released on the American tellies yet?


Because a ton of politicians are linked financially to this industry, for one - and for two its been put into legal limbo.

I do hope this hits at the right time to create a good media shitstorm... we need to spread awareness, and sensationalism seems to be the only way!
Title: Youtube Video
Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2007, 02:07:24 PM
Hi,

Here is a link to a video about WWASPS on Youtube:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI-TfOHyM54 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI-TfOHyM54)

Adam
Title: WWASPS Documentary still around!
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2007, 05:55:47 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Here in England my family saw the longer film of an hour and a half. I also saw the shortie george version in Australia. I don't get it. The longer version is better but the short version seems to be taken from the long one.

The one we saw in Europe was brillant and made us cry. Why hasn't it been released on the American tellies yet?


When was it shown in England?  On what channel?