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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Nonconformistlaw on October 16, 2005, 04:30:00 PM
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Hey, glad you found this...its overwhelming I know. I just accidentally stumbled across this site a couple months ago which opened the floodgates for me as well. I did a good job repressing anything having to do with straight for 20 years.
As hard as it is to read posts here...its a relief that others know exactly what you mean and dont think your crazy. So many things you said made total sense to me.
I was in my last semester of law school and working as a law clerk when I came unglued a couple months ago. I couldnt stop thinking about Straight. I had to take a 90-day medical leave of absence from work and take a leave of absence from school as well. I started counseling last month with a psychologist and was diagnosed with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. So yes, I'm getting thearpy to recover from Straight. So far, it seems to be a step in the right direction, but it will take a while to deal with all the anger and other stuff I repressed all these years. So I hope it helps you as well.
Here's what I wrote when I first came across this forum and about my PTSD experience so far.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... rt=#122050 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=11175&forum=7&start=#122050)
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... rt=#133904 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=11889&forum=7&start=#133904)
Making new friends here has also helped me tremendously. People I have met or had contact with feel like my brothers and sisters...there's a bond for me because no one else but a Straight Survivor knows where I've been and what it was like. Maybe you will have that experience here as well.
Glad you posted. You are not alone. ::rainbow::
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I sent a couple of names and suggestions for you to your Private Messages. You can find your messages by clicking on Private Messages on the left hand side of the page.
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Look out for the trolls. Not just the forum fixated ppl w/ dark senses of humor. But real people who appeal to your need for understanding and rush you into a deeper relationship than is equitable for you. Trust me on this, they're not going anywhere, there is no rush, take your time, make friends, but don't trust strangers.
That said, I've heard good things about Wellspring, but don't know a thing about them firsthand. I generally don't trust professionals, and I have never even aspired to a security clearance.
I can understand some of what you say, though. Patience has never been my strong suit. So I just cut to the last chapter and never invested myself much in this snitch culture. The wisest old soldiers who's war stories I've listened to always had some pith underlying the stories of their heroic, idealistic fervor of their youth. I go with that; love the soldier, hate the war.
Never the less, even trying to fit into the low demand, low skill margins of society, I've had the same anxiety. It's like chronic anhedonia; I can do the stuff, make the brithdays happen and good dinners every day in between, but there's no pay-off. I can't believe it enough to enjoy it. One dude described it as having a staffer in your head. Even at the height of brilliant accomplishment, you have that voice of derision chiding you.
But once in awhile you get some 2x4 in the face level of affirmation that what you're doing, despite the extra baggage, is worth it and is paying off in spades. You just have to get into the habit of identifying and scoffing at that fuckin staffer in your head.
If there is a God, he is a malign thug.
--Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain", American author and humorist
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Smoke a bowl...and chill...its gonna be alllright
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On 2005-10-16 16:50:00, Str8survivorVA wrote:
"Oh, jeez. As if I wasn?t paranoid enough already :scared: . Thank you for the wise words, though ? you are spot on with your warnings about those who would do us harm and will stop at nothing to strip us of our constitutional rights and further the facist cause that has been thickly veiled under the guise of saving our children, winning the war on drugs, winning the war on terrorism, et. al. I have seen it first hand- not just at Straight, but throughout most of my career. What makes me sick is that I have been an instrumental part of it for so long, fighting for the cause, god and country and all of that. How could I have been so blind. Paranoid as hell even posting this right now. I know they are reading it. Oh well. Fuck em. (they're coming to take me away ha ha there coming to take me away..)"
I read your earlier post too. All I can say is, I know where you're coming from girl. It sounds trite, but it takes a while to process it, and you have to do it at your pace. You'll find friends here, but like Gin said, you do have to be careful.
You'll also find assholes - just ignore them. Some people are still in "group" in their heads.
Right now, you have to be good to yourself. Do something you enjoy, shop, salon... whatever. I know it's mindboggling, but YOU ARE NOT GUILTY!
Believe this, okay?
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There is the documentary at http://www.straightkids.com (http://www.straightkids.com), but I haven't heard anything much about it lately.
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OMGosh, it's gone. Well it's still here:
http://www.ftbfilms.com/straight.htm (http://www.ftbfilms.com/straight.htm)
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[ This Message was edited by: Withdraw on 2006-02-28 21:55 ]
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I am certain I know you as I was a prisoner/patient (lol) and on staff for far too long 86-90
I have many problems which have been traced back to the treatment I received and or dished out.
That said; there is no magic 'cure' for emotional scars. No drug, no homeopathic cure, and no herb or home remedy will fix the way you or I perceive events, the emotional reactions, or associated results/consequences.
The advice I received after paying a small fortune to a shrink was that I needed to communicate to my significant other my innermost thoughts and feelings; this being due to the fact that I am a very solitary person and find it very difficult to talk to anyone about anything personal. So, my $90,000 bill to a shrink amounted to (a) talk more, (b) don't dwell (c) avoid anxiety
Don't get me wrong, the shrink was a necessary path for me to go because of many other events which have happened to me since str8; the way I deal with the emotional reactions has been totally skewed by the str8 experience. The shrink did help me lighten my emotional baggage and wallet.
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'salright. :smile: Glad you're hear, hope you stick around.
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Hi, I like you am a 35 year old woman who was in the Virginia Straight, Inc., only I was in from 1984-1985. I can't believe that there are other people out there that suffer from the same psychological demons as I do and the common denominator is that hellhole rehab we were all in.
My entire adult life has been a struggle with my self security and value. I have self sabotaged just about every opportunity I have ever had, been in and out of therapy, failed relationships, etc. And like you because of the "status " I have acquired I never dreamed of telling anyone about the psychotic and inhumane things I witnessed and experienced as a young girl in that warehouse in Virginia. Seriously, it seemed like a dream for so long, and I suppose I "filled" the memories with other things.
For some reason, today I stared to search online about Straight and somehow found this site. I cannot tell you how it has effected me. I read what you wrote and immediately started crying. I am so angry at the system for allowing such a place to exist( especially because that demonic man who is in office and his family are affiliated with the founders ) .
It may sound crazy, but perhaps rehab is not the answer for you. You use alcohol to dull the memories, perhaps if you came full circe with what happened to you, you wouldn't drink like you do.
There has got to be some type of lawsuit or something that could provide us with the validation and closure we probably need in order to feel vindicated emotionally. Someone has to assume responsiblitiy for the lives and minds that have been destroyed and experimented on.
If people sue for pain and suffering in bullshit personal injury cases, imagine the compensation for ours.
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Dear Straight Survivor,
Some sound advice would be not to trust ANYONE on this site at all. Especially don't trust anyone on this site.
Watch them and this will prove to you not to trust them. Most of the old post graduate straightlings who come on here constantly ARE informants. You will note that these are the postors who have already begun to mention developing trusting friendships in the first place. None of the folks who come here have hardly received, if any at all, sort of professional counseling.
You are able to view back over any prior posts that certain informants have already posted. Such posts include words like, "This is all just a big conspiracy.", harsh words of slander to anyone who claims to have doubts about post staff at Straight.
No, there is not some big conspiracy to overthrow paranoid ex Straightlings. But there are informants who are seen speaking over the phone with people like Sembler, reporting back to old Straight creators through emails, and letters that have been stolen. There is not some conspiracy, but honestly, I would not post anything personal about yourself on this site where it might damage ANY chances you have of suing people who have done harm to you.
Sammie Monroe, Michael Sherman, Wesley Fager, Ginger Warbis, Beth, Marti Heath, Richard Bradbury; all of these are known informants and they are graduates or they are exstaff of Straight Inc. There, again, is not some kind of overwhelming conspiracy against any straightling who wants to know what's up with child abuse. Its not a big deal to these people to have you share your personals with them and let them report it back to people who would care.
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Looks like it's medication time again.......
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On 2005-10-18 12:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
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Sammie Monroe, Michael Sherman, Wesley Fager, Ginger Warbis, Beth, Marti Heath, Richard Bradbury; all of these are known informants
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Please, oh PLEASE provide any kind of proof of this. Sheeesh. The lengths that some will carry on an obsession. WOW.
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On 2005-10-18 12:09:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Looks like it's medication time again......."
you'd best get some quick, pussy anonymous postor that you are. you'd be one of the ones I'm talking about who is known for your posts like 'be sure and pm me quick and we'll start chatting'. I'd say you need stronger meds than what they're giving you.
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[ This Message was edited by: Withdraw on 2006-02-28 21:56 ]
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...Withdraw... :cry:
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There's another contingent here also. There are those of us who pretty much took it in stride at the time, got on with our lives, occasionally (or more) pausing to weed out a bit of stinking, Nazi programming along the way.
But then we found out that the Program was not just a little warehouse full of unfortunate strangers held captive by sadistic lunatics. Not in the least. These people are extremely powerful in US and international politics. We're all paying to fight their wars, based on their delusions. And they've been busy, busy trying to hem in the next generation of kids for 'treatment' in their Program.
So what's a good person to do? We know how dangerous and crazy these people are. I feel I have an obligation to raise a hue and cry.
Oh yeah, and there are the looky-lue journalists and lawyers who frequently use these forums as a source for leads and interviews. We loves them journalists :nworthy:
To laugh often and much; to win the respect of intelligent people and the affection of children; to earn the appreciation of honest critics and endure the betrayal of false friends; to appreciate beauty, to find the best in others; to leave the world a little better; whether by a healthy child, a garden patch or a redeemed social condition; to know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived. This is the meaning of success.
--Ralph Waldo Emerson
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On 2005-10-18 13:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-10-18 12:09:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Looks like it's medication time again......."
you'd best get some quick, pussy anonymous postor that you are. you'd be one of the ones I'm talking about who is known for your posts like 'be sure and pm me quick and we'll start chatting'. I'd say you need stronger meds than what they're giving you."
Eat my shit, fuckwad. I'd have to double up on your meds and chase them with a quart of Everclear if I wanted to get half as fucked up as you are on any given day. I don't mean "intoxicated", I mean "FUCKED UP".
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cool. i'm tuning in late. what all happened?
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[ This Message was edited by: Withdraw on 2006-02-28 21:56 ]
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No no, you're the only good person around here.
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Someone else may know more...but last I heard they had filmed maybe half (that was a while ago though). But then the website went down so I don't know what's up with it lately. I hope they are still going to finish it.
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I sent you a private message.
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On 2005-10-18 20:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
"No no, you're the only good person around here."
If your gonna play this card with me again, I'm gonna call. **Know when to hold em', know when to fold em', know when to walk away and know when to run..... ::troll::
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Aww, idn't that cute. I have joined the ranks of the informants in the imaginary world of a verrry imaginative friend of mine. Jesus Christ, I'm hundreds of miles away, would SOMEbody supply this guy with some weed? Here's the deal, kid. Smoke up, put on some music that turns you on in every sense of the word and start getting your mind back. I still like you.
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On 2005-10-18 18:43:00, Str8survivorVA wrote:
"Well, this forum isn?t exactly the ideal situation for open and honest sharing, I?ll admit. Esp. given so many of us have (self professed) paranoia/trust issues to begin with. Kindof ironic, really, that we have to ?share? and ?relate? this way.. But I will say that just in the past few days it has made a tremendous, positive difference for me. One of the threads had me laughing out loud at one point (ref ?I don?t like where this group is at? thread http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 75&forum=7 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=11375&forum=7) and then I stopped myself, realizing that this was one of the most honest, unburdened, no baggage laughs I?d experienced in a long, long, time, which of course sent me straight into a sappy, teary moment of self-realization. So, from the bottom of my druggie heart, thanks yall. Love ya!
Oh, and welcome to my fellow 35 yr. old ex straightling. My advice - call in sick from work for the next couple of days - you are in for a very surreal and emotional trip down memory-hell lane ( ::mecry:: ), and youre not going to be able to focus on work anyways[ This Message was edited by: Str8survivorVA on 2005-10-18 18:45 ]"
oh my god! i think there was really a rap like that in Springfield! I'm serious, like didn't a bunch of people go down for that? Or it was at least one person. Oh my jesus lord, I had no idea what miserable stretch i would spend for many many years being too frickinn brainwashed to smoke marijuana! fuck. what the fuck wa that? jesus christ. i sat there for months on end feeling like this "I really don't want to be here. I really don't want to be here. I can't get up, they'll tackle me." The double doors I was so aware of them they could have been my newcomer. Behind me and to my left. That is the way out. But they will tackle me and scream at me in the intake room and I will get started over and screamed at every day.
The thing is, if you don't do what is in your heart to do for that long, you get kind of frozen.
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its up to you,its your head heart and soul.People can only take from you what you let em.Keep your head up. seamus
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Hi.
I am a 35 year old female and was in Straight (Springfield VA) from 86-87.
Hey -- check it out, pirate....fresh fish. :grin:
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On 2005-10-19 12:32:00, ex-prisoner wrote:
oh my god! i think there was really a rap like that in Springfield! I'm serious, like didn't a bunch of people go down for that?
Oh, I remember pretty clearly one like that in Sarasota. Setbacks, days called in, other 'priviledges' taken away. Damned near fucked up my escape plans.
If once [the people] become inattentive to the public affairs,
you and I, and Congress and Assemblies, Judges and Governors,
shall all become wolves. It seems to be the law of our general
nature, in spite of individual exceptions.
Thomas Jefferson to Edward Carrington, 1787
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It's always a hoot reading informant posts. especially when they forget to take their meds. Good luck w/ that issue.
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What the hell is an "informant" in your parlance? Who do you think these "informants" are informing to, exactly? Please.
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oh wow how do you guys do that.
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gossip mongerers like to tell a lot of people what is in their pm's. they like to have dirt, it makes them valuable. these are the commoditizational relationships for which the primates are genetically programmed. primates also like to create heirarchies. they will watch for symbols, since we deal stricty in written language here, so they can divide themselves up amongst those of like mind and have wars of words with the other "troupe" if you will. there is a certain amount of mud-slinging, behind-the-scenes attempted diplomatic negotiations (after all, primates are also genetically programmed to "kiss and make up"), strategic back room meetings in which maneuvers are planned and weaknesses noted.
ah yes, but despair not, for we are also tending to share advice, being communal and liking to be of use, having naturally depended on the giving and receiving of information freely amongst persons, groups, bands, clans and so on. we are also inclined to set aside petty differences, or even allow them, while still observing a common enemy, and therefore, a bond.
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Peace. and love
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oh wow. I feel like I should have have left a tip.....wow. mmmm.
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HAHA! I happened upon this silly FREE game online today. I ended up playing for hours. If your feeling down this could help pass the time and get your mind off feeling. all you need to do is go to the home page and create a new account. you might have to download Macroflash, it kinda does it automatic. Have fun! If the link won't work- just web search for Adventure Quest. There is also a site that has some tips.
http://www.battleon.com/ (http://www.battleon.com/)
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HA HA! I'm over there. My name is stinky, in case you run into me. So far I got a Widdle Bunny Wabbit. I really wanted an Undead Puppy or an Ice Cat, but I couldn't get them. Now I am not sure what to do. My Wabbit wants to do something, she's jumping up and down and twitching her nose and stuff. But I can't go to "The Event" because I am on level 0. I tried travelling to Battle On, but I ended up back at the same place. Ho hum. I guess I have to upgrade. But unless other people are playing I don't wanna do it. I can make my own Map and Pets and Weapons right here at home. Anyone wanna come over and play?
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oh waity, i went into Yulgar's Inn. It was pretty empty. But there was a bottle of purple potion on the table so i drank some. :em: Now I am as small as a mouse and I have armor on and a sword. Uh oh, I went in the mouse hole. Hang on. Ewww, it's a big snail! Oh, well, I x'ed out of that one. I really didn't want giant snail guts all over me. Wait, hang on, now I'm teleporting. Oh wait I can't, I'm not level 5 yet. I could totally make up a game WAAAY better than this. If anyone wants to come over and play, just call me.
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Hey! I said it was silly and FREE what did you expect. After awhile it gets kinda addictive. Im level 32 now
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Holy shit! Did you have to pay a bunch to get there?
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no you only have to pay for the extra zones and the special server or to advance your specialty past level 5 but there is alot to do free the Truffle pets is the best!
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On 2005-10-20 20:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
"What the hell is an "informant" in your parlance? Who do you think these "informants" are informing to, exactly? Please."
This is not worth answering.
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On 2005-10-20 20:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
"What the hell is an "informant" in your parlance? Who do you think these "informants" are informing to, exactly? Please."
This is not worth answering.
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On 2005-10-18 23:33:00, Withdraw wrote:
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On 2005-10-18 20:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
"No no, you're the only good person around here."
If your gonna play this card with me again, I'm gonna call. **Know when to hold em', know when to fold em', know when to walk away and know when to run..... ::troll:: "
I just found this forum a few weeks ago. I would like to talk to some people here who might have been in the same Straight where I was. I know, from a lot of therapy, that I have some problems with paranoia sometimes. I have been waiting to post or to contact people I think I know from back then. I am avoiding them out of fear. I will never tell you my name, so it doesn't matter if I tell you that I finally figured out in my counseling session today what I was afraid of. I don't mean to single out the Withdraw person here, it is just that it gives a good example, it highlights my fears. Straight was bad enough without thinking about people who could once do that, I mean, if they get information from me, what will they do with it? I know other people have these fears from reading on this forum and some other similar ones. Sorry if I am misreading this post that the Withdraw person made, but it does seem like a clear cut case of blackmail.
I was wondering what people's experiences have been with talking to people who they were in Straight with. Like sometimes, I think it would help, but sometimes I think it could be all wrong and a really bad way to go. I think I have perspective from a lot of counseling, but the memory problem is there, and also it would be interesting just to hear what people really think. But I can't help it when in my mind I see people as they were back then, like I couldn't talk to anyone for real, about anything.
Well I guess that is my first post.
By the way, I have tried a couple of medications for paranoia and anxiety, but so far they just make me kind of stupid and drowsy, and also bored.
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On 2005-10-31 14:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-10-18 23:33:00, Withdraw wrote:
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On 2005-10-18 20:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
"No no, you're the only good person around here."
If your gonna play this card with me again, I'm gonna call. **Know when to hold em', know when to fold em', know when to walk away and know when to run..... ::troll:: "
I just found this forum a few weeks ago. I would like to talk to some people here who might have been in the same Straight where I was. I know, from a lot of therapy, that I have some problems with paranoia sometimes. I have been waiting to post or to contact people I think I know from back then. I am avoiding them out of fear. I will never tell you my name, so it doesn't matter if I tell you that I finally figured out in my counseling session today what I was afraid of. I don't mean to single out the Withdraw person here, it is just that it gives a good example, it highlights my fears. Straight was bad enough without thinking about people who could once do that, I mean, if they get information from me, what will they do with it? I know other people have these fears from reading on this forum and some other similar ones. Sorry if I am misreading this post that the Withdraw person made, but it does seem like a clear cut case of blackmail.
I was wondering what people's experiences have been with talking to people who they were in Straight with. Like sometimes, I think it would help, but sometimes I think it could be all wrong and a really bad way to go. I think I have perspective from a lot of counseling, but the memory problem is there, and also it would be interesting just to hear what people really think. But I can't help it when in my mind I see people as they were back then, like I couldn't talk to anyone for real, about anything.
Well I guess that is my first post.
By the way, I have tried a couple of medications for paranoia and anxiety, but so far they just make me kind of stupid and drowsy, and also bored."
Just ask Mike Sherman or Marti Heath or Richard Bradbury or Wes Fager or Kim Cayohueso or Nikki, they know exactly what you are talking about. They take information by extraction and manipulative methods, then they use this to fuck you up and lie some more on the fact that they are Pro Straight Inc. Child Abusers the lot of them.
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On 2005-10-31 14:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I just found this forum a few weeks ago. I would like to talk to some people here who might have been in the same Straight where I was. I know, from a lot of therapy, that I have some problems with paranoia sometimes. I have been waiting to post or to contact people I think I know from back then. I am avoiding them out of fear. I will never tell you my name, so it doesn't matter if I tell you that I finally figured out in my counseling session today what I was afraid of. I don't mean to single out the Withdraw person here, it is just that it gives a good example, it highlights my fears. Straight was bad enough without thinking about people who could once do that, I mean, if they get information from me, what will they do with it? I know other people have these fears from reading on this forum and some other similar ones. Sorry if I am misreading this post that the Withdraw person made, but it does seem like a clear cut case of blackmail."
I worry about what someone might do with information about me too, which is why I don't post any information about myself on the forum, such as my name, which Straight, etc.
"I was wondering what people's experiences have been with talking to people who they were in Straight with. Like sometimes, I think it would help, but sometimes I think it could be all wrong and a really bad way to go. I think I have perspective from a lot of counseling, but the memory problem is there, and also it would be interesting just to hear what people really think. But I can't help it when in my mind I see people as they were back then, like I couldn't talk to anyone for real, about anything."
I have talked on the phone quite a bit to one survivor who I was actually in the program with. It is very different for me, and at first, harder than talking to other Straight survivors. It makes my experience seem much more real since I remember the person. I think it has been good for me to do this, although I will say that I still have mixed feelings about this as far as talking to others is concerned. For years, I avoided thinking about names, faces, or anything about Straight...so to think about the people and actually talk to one was for me a way to give myself permission to start feeling the pain I have locked away for so many years.
As far as other survivors from other Straights, I have talked to several and I am glad I did. Its validating. But it also helps to be able to communicate with people who actually understand what Straight was like without having to attempt to explain it.
And talking to all survivors has helped me start filling in some gaps in my memory of the things I blocked out.
I think its different for everyone though...so do what makes you feel comfortable. I cant tell you if it will be a good idea for you or not. But, if nothing else you can post anonymously on the forum to communicate. ::rainbow::
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[ This Message was edited by: Withdraw on 2006-02-28 21:58 ]
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Ask anyone if they have had any involvement in something called ISAC or if they know what that is. If they do then you can't trust them, if they say they don't know ISAC then you can't those folks either. In fact, its a safe bet not to trust anyone, ESPECIALLY (for real) anyone who offers some real 'deep' advice on who to trust and who not to trust. Those are the informants that some other quack was talking about. The more you tell about your Straight experience, the more that people like Sembler have further oppurtunities to escape justice. I would trust a slimey attorney and maybe a doctor before you try to 'relate' and find friends among those here who have had no real therapy after Straight, that's everyone here, and those who want to be your little friend. Also, if you just are that lonely that you want some friends, there are ways that you can bluff these fuckers out and find out for yourself that what I am saying is true. Llike the other day, I put up a forum about being raped and nearly every person/informant on here wanted to relate and discuss it - at their first chance they began asking immediately for more information like bloodhounds looking for a fox in a hole.
See, dear friend, you have no friends here except those you Cannot trust. Watch what you write and trust noone here, don't give out any information unless you get someone to legally sign for it and that they agree in legal binding not to share it with anyone else. So, with that in mind b/c you know you won't find any quacks here who are willing to sign into a legal binding non informant contract to get some information from you - you should only be able to confide in people who ARE willing to go into a legal binding contract with you; attorneys and/or doctors/therapists.
Those to watch out for who will do their best to extract any information that they possibly can from you are as follows: Kim/Cayohueso, Nicole/Nikki, Richard Bradbury, Wesley Fager, Marti Heath, Michael Sherman, Beth/Elizabeth, Ginger Warbis, Greg/GregFL, and everyone else who comes here and claims to want to 'speak' to you and let you let them take advantage of your legal power at this point.
Tell them nothing except lies b/c that is all these pedophiles are worth. If I were before I get into looking for friends HERE I would read up on my Civil Rights and Ammendment Rights b/c if you don't know them then you may have a legal cause to file suit against Straight creators since yours were taken away and you did not know about them until you are fully aware of your published civil rights.
Here's the part that gets interesting where other folks come back at me with slander and garbage not worth repeating. This is more forum posting from the same people who want to 'have a discussion or chat' with you and make quick friends with you, the same people who will death defy that they are NOT informants for pro Straight causes. This is all of what they are going to say will entail: "Bring out the medcart, he/she/they/we/us/them, etc, I'll kill you w/ a crowbar, fuck you, you are still in Straight, you are paranoid, its all a big conspiracy, you can't say that, etc". Nothing more except clever thought will come after this post, direct opposition without any true discussion or debate will now happen, another proof that you should trust NOONE here. Where's those meds, please.
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Ask anyone if they have had any involvement in something called ISAC or if they know what that is. If they do then you can't trust them, if they say they don't know ISAC then you can't those folks either. In fact, its a safe bet not to trust anyone, ESPECIALLY (for real) anyone who offers some real 'deep' advice on who to trust and who not to trust. Those are the informants that some other quack was talking about. The more you tell about your Straight experience, the more that people like Sembler have further oppurtunities to escape justice. I would trust a slimey attorney and maybe a doctor before you try to 'relate' and find friends among those here who have had no real therapy after Straight, that's everyone here, and those who want to be your little friend. Also, if you just are that lonely that you want some friends, there are ways that you can bluff these fuckers out and find out for yourself that what I am saying is true. Llike the other day, I put up a forum about being raped and nearly every person/informant on here wanted to relate and discuss it - at their first chance they began asking immediately for more information like bloodhounds looking for a fox in a hole.
See, dear friend, you have no friends here except those you Cannot trust. Watch what you write and trust noone here, don't give out any information unless you get someone to legally sign for it and that they agree in legal binding not to share it with anyone else. So, with that in mind b/c you know you won't find any quacks here who are willing to sign into a legal binding non informant contract to get some information from you - you should only be able to confide in people who ARE willing to go into a legal binding contract with you; attorneys and/or doctors/therapists.
Those to watch out for who will do their best to extract any information that they possibly can from you are as follows: Kim/Cayohueso, Nicole/Nikki, Richard Bradbury, Wesley Fager, Marti Heath, Michael Sherman, Beth/Elizabeth, Ginger Warbis, Greg/GregFL, and everyone else who comes here and claims to want to 'speak' to you and let you let them take advantage of your legal power at this point.
Tell them nothing except lies b/c that is all these pedophiles are worth. If I were before I get into looking for friends HERE I would read up on my Civil Rights and Ammendment Rights b/c if you don't know them then you may have a legal cause to file suit against Straight creators since yours were taken away and you did not know about them until you are fully aware of your published civil rights.
Here's the part that gets interesting where other folks come back at me with slander and garbage not worth repeating. This is more forum posting from the same people who want to 'have a discussion or chat' with you and make quick friends with you, the same people who will death defy that they are NOT informants for pro Straight causes. This is all of what they are going to say will entail: "Bring out the medcart, he/she/they/we/us/them, etc, I'll kill you w/ a crowbar, fuck you, you are still in Straight, you are paranoid, its all a big conspiracy, you can't say that, etc". Nothing more except clever thought will come after this post, direct opposition without any true discussion or debate will now happen, another proof that you should trust NOONE here. Where's those meds, please.
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On 2005-10-31 14:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
Just ask Mike Sherman or Marti Heath or Richard Bradbury or Wes Fager or Kim Cayohueso or Nikki, they know exactly what you are talking about. They take information by extraction and manipulative methods, then they use this to fuck you up and lie some more on the fact that they are Pro Straight Inc. Child Abusers the lot of them."
What info have I EVER given out? Hmm? I'd really like to get a clue as to how your warped little mind works. Shit, talk about misinformed, you said I was on staff at one point....WRONG...NEVER WAS.
The ONLY time I said any of your "personal" info on here was after you wrote some vile shit about me as anon and I mentioned your FIRST name. Hell, everyone already knew it was you anyway but I still only mentioned your FIRST name and that was after some pretty fucked up shit you wrote about me.
Keep me out of your hallucinations for a while, huh?
By the year 2000, we will, I hope, raise our children to believe in human potential, not God.
--Gloria Steinam, women's rights activist
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On 2005-11-01 00:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
Kim/Cayohueso, Nicole/Nikki, Richard Bradbury, Wesley Fager, Marti Heath, Michael Sherman, Beth/Elizabeth, Ginger Warbis, Greg/GregFL,
I've met most of the people on this list and I'm pretty sure that NONE of them "work for Sembler" or whatever paranoid delusions are at work here.
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[ This Message was edited by: Withdraw on 2006-02-28 21:58 ]
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Withdraw, I was thinking the same thing that Anonymous poster thought about your post in question, whether or not it was a threat to reveal a private writing that you had of that person's if they did not do what you wanted them to do. I think several people around here would be interested to know if that was your plan.
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[ This Message was edited by: Withdraw on 2006-02-28 21:58 ]
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[ This Message was edited by: Withdraw on 2006-02-28 21:58 ]
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You are too stupid for words.
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On 2005-11-01 09:33:00, Cayo Hueso wrote:
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On 2005-10-31 14:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
Just ask Mike Sherman or Marti Heath or Richard Bradbury or Wes Fager or Kim Cayohueso or Nikki, they know exactly what you are talking about. They take information by extraction and manipulative methods, then they use this to fuck you up and lie some more on the fact that they are Pro Straight Inc. Child Abusers the lot of them."
What info have I EVER given out? Hmm? I'd really like to get a clue as to how your warped little mind works. Shit, talk about misinformed, you said I was on staff at one point....WRONG...NEVER WAS.
The ONLY time I said any of your "personal" info on here was after you wrote some vile shit about me as anon and I mentioned your FIRST name. Hell, everyone already knew it was you anyway but I still only mentioned your FIRST name and that was after some pretty fucked up shit you wrote about me.
Keep me out of your hallucinations for a while, huh?
By the year 2000, we will, I hope, raise our children to believe in human potential, not God.
--Gloria Steinam, women's rights activist
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AhHa ha hah ha ha...
The world according to little kim. Hueso, that name you mentioned is not me, never was and I know for a fact that although you never actually worked at Straight you are still Pro motherfuckin Straight. So, its not my shit that started out vile until you and the rest of those mentioned got busted time and again. You're a liar and you always will be just like Richard and the rest of your sorry bunch. So calling anyone 'vile' is calling the kettle black.
And again, the fact that you are defending yourself merely proves my point as I'd stated one post ago so thank you for proving my point. If your kind really thought this was all 'trolling' or delusional or b/c of lack of meds or w/e the fuck you wouldn't even waste time on defending yourselves, so thanks again. If it were so 'delusional' or 'vile' was a point that you and your kind have constantly used to take attention from the facts of your kind's lies and deceit. Hell, if some of the administrators who are also Pro Straight here don't like it, they can ban me. Things like 'that's delusional' or bring out the med cart, and slander like this merely prove the point, another fact which you kindly continue to overlook time and again thinking noone sees your little alligator tears. I have nothing against any of the Pro Straightlings here, I just don't trust a damm fuckin word ya say and never would.
And for the record, Sammie, Michael, Richard, Wesley, Ginger, Kimberly, Nicole, Jason, and the rest of you Pro Straight fucklings are ALL of you Pedophiles. And there's really not a damm fucking thing you could really do about me saying this in open forum, since you know I am right about your Pro activeness for Straight. If it were wrong - only then might there be any concern I'd have about other allegations.
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Say it however you want to and however many times you want. Believe me, everyone knows who you are and what you're about.
Name one thing, just one that I've lied about on here. Seriously, don't be a pussy...you got something to say, back it up. The overwhelming majority of people have more than the average (mean) number of legs.
-- E. Grebenik
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For that matter, name anything...anything at all that I have ever done or said that is 'pro Straight' in the slightest. You've got the crumb of attention you seem to need right now, don't waste it. Prove me wrong. :wave:
I wasn't raised Catholic, but I used to go to Mass with my friends, and I viewed the whole business as a lot of very enthralling hocus-pocus. There's a guy hanging upon the wall in the church, nailed to a cross and dripping blood, and everybody's blaming themselves for that man's torment, but I said to myself, 'Forget it. I had no hand in that evil. I have no original sin. Theres no blood of any sacred martyr an my hands. I pass on all of this.'
--Billy Joel, American musician
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On 2005-11-01 14:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
And again, the fact that you are defending yourself merely proves my point as I'd stated one post ago so thank you for proving my point. If your kind really thought this was all 'trolling' or delusional or b/c of lack of meds or w/e the fuck you wouldn't even waste time on defending yourselves, so thanks again. If it were so 'delusional' or ....
Yadda, yadda, yadda. More bullshit Program logic. If you defend yourself you must be guilty. Denial is the first symptom.
Dude, I honestly and sincerely, with deepest affection of the variety freely given to all good people, their pets and other critters, hope one day you're able to deprogram yourself. Clearly, you haven't really 7th stepped yet. (cult psychologists refer to it as 'snapping'. maybe you should read up on it.)
Whoever kindles the flames of intolerance in America is lighting a fire underneath his own home.
--Harold E. Stassen, 1947
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Barbie, I think maybe we're both drinking way too much. Maybe we're doing all these pro program things when we're fallin' down drunk to the point of blacking out. Maybe Bob will eventually fill us in on the ugly details.
Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.
--Isaac Asimov, Russian-born American author
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Nah, we need to do more. Where's that RTP quote? It's our Goddamn duty to get these people back on drugs so they can think for themselves. I think I got that right, sorry Temple if I didn't.
From the bottom of any large organization looking up through the ranks, human greed and stupidity look a lot like a conspiracy.
--S. Gilbert
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Oh, you know the quote database is searchable, right? Hit http://fornits.com/quotes.php?help (http://fornits.com/quotes.php?help) for the full run down.
Government operates best when it allows all messengers to offer their views, allowing the American people to decide which take root and which wither away.
--Harold Furchtgott-Roth, member of the Federal Communications Commission
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On 2005-11-01 15:02:00, Antigen wrote:
"Dude, I honestly and sincerely, with deepest affection of the variety freely given to all good people, their pets and other critters, hope one day you're able to deprogram yourself. Clearly, you haven't really 7th stepped yet. (cult psychologists refer to it as 'snapping'. maybe you should read up on it.)"
This is not even close to being on topic, but I just had to ask about this....
Hey Ginger...got any recommendations on a good book/author that talks about what you said about how "cult psychologists refer to it as 'snapping'?" I want to read up on it. Thanks. ::rainbow::
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Well, I don't have any books on it. But I've read a few articles. Steve Hassan has a bit to say about it.
This article uses the term in the opposite sense; as snapping in to the cult personality. But I meant it the other way, snapping out of it.
http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcece ... ements.htm (http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/groups/m/moonies/moonelements.htm)
I'd take a few, or dozen, perspectives on this. Hassan, Ross, Lifton and Singer are all pretty well known and pretty much in agreement w/ each other. But cults are not new, brainwashing is just a relatively new term for an old dirty trick. I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism.
--Albert Einstein, German-born American physicist
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A lot of the ones that Ginger mentioned are here. Singer's and the BITE model by Hassan are the ones that got to me the most.
http://www.ex-cult.org/ (http://www.ex-cult.org/)Government operates best when it allows all messengers to offer their views, allowing the American people to decide which take root and which wither away.
--Harold Furchtgott-Roth, member of the Federal Communications Commission
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Thanks...I've run across many books at the library and was a bit overwhelmed by the selection. There seems to be a lot written on cults, including by those writers both of you mentioned. I was hoping to narrow down the list cause there's too much out there and I'm having enough trouble reading anything long as it is! :lol: Now I'm down to 4 names...which I have run across but haven't read much yet (a little but not nearly enough). I am really interested in snapping out of it. I want to get the lingering poison out of my mind..... YUK! Anyway....I'll check out those links.
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On 2005-11-01 14:55:00, Cayo Hueso wrote:
"Say it however you want to and however many times you want. Believe me, everyone knows who you are and what you're about.
Name one thing, just one that I've lied about on here. Seriously, don't be a pussy...you got something to say, back it up. The overwhelming majority of people have more than the average (mean) number of legs.
-- E. Grebenik
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I'm not the one on the defensive here, though. Don't owe your kind anything except exacted vengeance for what you did to children. Come get some.
It's enough for my pleasure that the Anonymous postor knows you and your kind are frauds like you are, I feel sad for them if they are taken in by your shit. but, other than that I could not hope for more.
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Dude, please do tell, what sort of diabolical plans have we got?
I cannot believe in the immortality of the soul.... No, all this talk of an existence for us, as individuals, beyond the grave is wrong. It is born of our tenacity of life -- our desire to go on living -- our dread of coming to an end.
--Thomas Edison, American inventor
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Oh, maybe the sort of diabolical plan like telling an anonymous poster they should get on their meds, or shit like they haven't Seventh Stepped yet, whereas the rest of the people here are all over their brainwashing, except for these anonymous posters that are all:
1. Off their meds, need to be on them
2. Brainwashed, or, trying to brainwash others who are already over being brainwashed but are susceptible and vulnerable to these brainwashing anonymous posters
3. Not Seventh-Stepped
4. Psychotic or delusional or got mpd or whatever.
What the fuck ever, it's everyone's fucking V.A. around here, just don't sit around wondering why one guy is slamming the other for slamming them first and who started it no we are all reasonable it's these psychos that aren't and we aren't psycho we just abuse people verbally and blackmail threaten them and gossip on them.
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On 2005-11-01 20:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
Don't owe your kind anything except exacted vengeance for what you did to children. Come get some.
Never said you owed me anything. Just helping you prove that you can never back up anything you say.
It's enough for my pleasure that the Anonymous postor knows you and your kind are frauds like you are,
I feel sad for them if they are taken in by your shit.
Make up whichever one of your minds you're utilizing tonight. Do they now know we're frauds or have they been taken in by our shit?
Let's, yet again :roll: dish out this apparently impossible challenge for 'the one who shall remain nameless' :razz: . What, pray tell, have I ever either lied about or done that could even remotely be considered pro-Straight?
What experiences and history teach is this-that people and government never have learned anything from history, or acted on principles deduced from it.
--G.W.F Hegel (1770-1831)
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Who the hell is blackmailing anybody? What kinda fucked up shit is that?
We get crushed in the first three, four years of school...We're trained to become parrots. We're trained to learn information and give it back at test time. But we're not taught to think. We're not taught how to access genius.
--Victor Villasenor, author of Burro Genius (2004)
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It is earlier on this thread.
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On 2005-10-18 23:33:00, Withdraw wrote:
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On 2005-10-18 20:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
"No no, you're the only good person around here."
If your gonna play this card with me again, I'm gonna call. **Know when to hold em', know when to fold em', know when to walk away and know when to run..... ::troll:: "
It was this one. Withdraw is now denying that he/she was trying to blackmail anyone. But he/she is glad nevertheless, irregardless of him/her not intending to blackmail anyone into anything, that his/her fear tactics, allegedly, of threatening to reveal a private communication (whatever Withdraw, in his/her own words is "holding") unless that other person did or did not do something. That there is your blackmail.
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This is turning into an interesting thread. I went back to read some earlier posts, where this Withdraw person retracts the blackmail by saying that people who know them would know they would not do actually do that. Blackmail is the threat itself, not the carrying out of the threat. If a person does not know that Withdraw would not do that, then Withdraw is able to blackmail them. If Withdraw had actually posted a private communication, or whatever the implied threat was that got the other person to, and I quote, "STFU", then people would see the crime of schmuckness in addition to the crime of blackmail.
Sadly to conclude to the anonymous poster who brought up this blackmail concern that they should be really careful about the information that they give out.
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You all just floor me sometimes, LOL.. maybe im doing vodoo with your information! w/e, lol
Enjoy your fantasy world here on Fornits, I do, you all crack me up somedays. Just what kind of information would I even have and why would I bother thinking up a way to blackmail anyone. What is this special prize you think I'd have to gain by blackmailing anyone? And why would you even think I care enough to consider it, LOL
Woohoo, come back to reality guys and Girls...It wasn't a threat, it was me accepting the challenge!
I decided maybe my choice of emote maybe made someONE think I had some kind of written information I was pointing to? NO you idiots,I was pointing to SHOW ME THE PROOF and I was reminding this person that they PM me and agree with things I say and act like my friend, then stab me in the back just like they do to many people here. The many faces of That Troll! I am rarely nasty to people, but some of you all are just plain dumb. Or is psychotic really the word I'm looking for?
Like after seeing this whole thing agaisnt me, I see why other Anons tell you to take your meds (or is that you telling your other personality). I understand now! Your so delusional, I am possibly one of the few here without any motive other than a place to type stuff and hope someone understands it.
Apparently reading comprehension is a problem for some of you... Don't let your paranoia chase off those who would protect you...I bet this paranoia manifests itself in your real lives too, what a sad, sad existance. All I can say is I'm sorry you must live that way.
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On 2005-11-01 10:58:00, Withdraw wrote:
"OK wait. "what I wanted them to do" was to either have them STFU or come to the forum with a case against me which would prove their comments are accurate.
Sounds like a reasonable request. So many of us who have had all kinds of accusations thrown around at us have asked this person to BACK THEM UP. _______ is a child abuser/pedophile, ________ will take your info and give it to the Semblers. _______ gets paid by the Semblers and on and on ad nauseum. All of the people he's made these accusations to have asked him to back it up....at all, any way, shape or form. Just even the slightest hint of evidence. It never happens cuz there ain't shit to any of his accusations. Never has been. No one can figure out what exactly drives this particular obsession with him. He seems to think he was the lone innocent in a vastness of evil (other clients, not just the staff) and now EVERYONE is in on this conspiracy to get him. Talk about a self-fulfilling prophecy, shit. Everyone LIKED the guy when he first was around then he went all fucking psycho and no one knew wtf he was talking about or where any of this shit was coming from. I guess things got so out of hand with him that there were some alleged death threats that he made a few weeks back (although there were direct threats made to a few and their spouses going back quite a bit longer than that). I guess that's the part finally did get to some of the people he's been taunting and they got a bit creeped out by it. We all can get crabby and sling mud with the best of them but the extremes that this person has gone to to either disrupt the forum or build this stupid, fucking conspiracy theory where we're all "on the Semblers payroll" etc. have gone WAY THE FUCK OVER THE TOP.
Unfortunately, there's no way to go back and track his posts like you can with most of those who he complains about. At least they have the nads to still sign in with their screen names. He thinks he's real stealthy under the baghead, but if you've been around for any number of months you've got a pretty good handle on what's up.
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On 2005-11-01 21:15:00, Antigen wrote:
"Who the hell is blackmailing anybody? What kinda fucked up shit is that?
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It's just some delusion the Anons came up with to cover their own tracks,I guess.. It's absurd. As if..
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Woops. Above is me. :smile:
I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers.
-- A Bit of Fry and Laurie
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On 2005-11-02 00:50:00, Withdraw wrote:
Just what kind of information would I even have and why would I bother thinking up a way to blackmail anyone. What is this special prize you think I'd have to gain by blackmailing anyone? And why would you even think I care enough to consider it, LOL
:rofl: If Christ were here now there is one thing he would not be -- a Christian.
--Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain", American author and humorist
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On 2005-11-01 20:59:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Oh, maybe the sort of diabolical plan like telling an anonymous poster they should get on their meds, or shit like they haven't Seventh Stepped yet, whereas the rest of the people here are all over their brainwashing, except for these anonymous posters that are all:
1. Off their meds, need to be on them
2. Brainwashed, or, trying to brainwash others who are already over being brainwashed but are susceptible and vulnerable to these brainwashing anonymous posters
3. Not Seventh-Stepped
4. Psychotic or delusional or got mpd or whatever.
What the fuck ever, it's everyone's fucking V.A. around here, just don't sit around wondering why one guy is slamming the other for slamming them first and who started it no we are all reasonable it's these psychos that aren't and we aren't psycho we just abuse people verbally and blackmail threaten them and gossip on them.
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Apparently writing comprehension is a problem also. I never attacked anyone, but fuck if they aren't attacking me...Absurd..
You idiot, did I ever say if you don't stop I'll tell some secret spykids info about you? NOPE, I challenged them to prove their case against me. Gawd, I can't even explain how delusional you Anon/s are acting. So Self-Consumed you must be.
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On 2005-11-01 20:59:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Oh, maybe the sort of diabolical plan like telling an anonymous poster they should get on their meds, or shit like they haven't Seventh Stepped yet,
Damn!! You poor child! How diabolical of us ALL! I repent, for I have SINNED! ::boohoo:: All I ask is equal freedom. When it is denied, as it always is, I take it anyhow.
--H.L. Mencken
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On 2005-11-02 00:50:00, Withdraw wrote:
"I was reminding this person that they PM me and agree with things I say and act like my friend, then stab me in the back just like they do to many people here. The many faces of That Troll! I am rarely nasty to people, but some of you all are just plain dumb. Or is psychotic really the word I'm looking for?"
Interesting. Here you reveal the content of few pm's with an unnamed person. You call that person "That Troll". You also admit that you are nasty to dumb people, or psychotic people.
I conclude that it is no wonder that an anonymous poster makes a jab about you being "the only good person around here". You have cleverly figured out that you are good, certain anonymous posters are bad, therefore you can be nasty to them, and this does not count against you. Neither does blackmailing count against you, because you are a really good person, and anyone who knows you would not really think that you would carry out the threat.
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On 2005-11-01 10:58:00, Withdraw wrote:
"OK wait. "what I wanted them to do" was to either have them STFU or come to the forum with a case against me which would prove their comments are accurate. Petty comments used to cause disdain between us all shows what kind of person they must be. Facts are.. there are no grounds to attack me that way. So, I guess that and my PMs confronting them is why they STFU for awhile."
By threatening to reveal something, you got them to "STFU", which is, in your own words "what I wanted them to do".
That there is your blackmail.
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Can't say that I agree with your assessment there, but even if I did I think making death threats against people here and their spouses has much further reaching consequences than someone supposedly threatening to "out" someone who is being two-faced. I don't think she ever threatened to reveal any personal information, just that he would constantly PM her with one view agreeing with her, then turn around and attack her out here saying completely the opposite of what he said to her before.
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On 2005-11-02 12:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Can't say that I agree with your assessment there, but even if I did I think making death threats against people here and their spouses has much further reaching consequences than someone supposedly threatening to "out" someone who is being two-faced. I don't think she ever threatened to reveal any personal information, just that he would constantly PM her with one view agreeing with her, then turn around and attack her out here saying completely the opposite of what he said to her before."
It was "her" not him. We are dealing with two nuts here.
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We are dealing with Straight survivors here. Please take a psychological examination and post your clean, unbrainwashed, unPTSD'd, non-neurotic, not compulsive, not at all paranoid about personal communications and personal relationships being talked about in public results here before you go i.d.ing anyone else as nuts.
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On 2005-11-02 00:50:00, Withdraw wrote:
" You all just floor me sometimes, LOL.. maybe im doing vodoo with your information! w/e, lol
Enjoy your fantasy world here on Fornits, I do, you all crack me up somedays. Just what kind of information would I even have and why would I bother thinking up a way to blackmail anyone. What is this special prize you think I'd have to gain by blackmailing anyone? And why would you even think I care enough to consider it, LOL
Woohoo, come back to reality guys and Girls...It wasn't a threat, it was me accepting the challenge!
I decided maybe my choice of emote maybe made someONE think I had some kind of written information I was pointing to? NO you idiots,I was pointing to SHOW ME THE PROOF and I was reminding this person that they PM me and agree with things I say and act like my friend, then stab me in the back just like they do to many people here. The many faces of That Troll! I am rarely nasty to people, but some of you all are just plain dumb. Or is psychotic really the word I'm looking for?
Like after seeing this whole thing agaisnt me, I see why other Anons tell you to take your meds (or is that you telling your other personality). I understand now! Your so delusional, I am possibly one of the few here without any motive other than a place to type stuff and hope someone understands it.
Apparently reading comprehension is a problem for some of you... Don't let your paranoia chase off those who would protect you...I bet this paranoia manifests itself in your real lives too, what a sad, sad existance. All I can say is I'm sorry you must live that way."
I dunno, it kind of looks like you are nasty to this person, and you make threats to reveal private messages and then carry out those threats. Maybe it is YOU who stabbed someone in the back. Did you ever think of that?
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On 2005-11-02 01:09:00, Withdraw wrote:
"You idiot,
delusional
Self-Consumed."
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Animals!
On 2005-11-02 12:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-11-02 00:50:00, Withdraw wrote:
"I was reminding this person that they PM me and agree with things I say and act like my friend, then stab me in the back just like they do to many people here. The many faces of That Troll! I am rarely nasty to people, but some of you all are just plain dumb. Or is psychotic really the word I'm looking for?"
Interesting. Here you reveal the content of few pm's with an unnamed person. You call that person "That Troll". You also admit that you are nasty to dumb people, or psychotic people.
I conclude that it is no wonder that an anonymous poster makes a jab about you being "the only good person around here". You have cleverly figured out that you are good, certain anonymous posters are bad, therefore you can be nasty to them, and this does not count against you. Neither does blackmailing count against you, because you are a really good person, and anyone who knows you would not really think that you would carry out the threat.
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No, wait! Just calm down a minute. I just can't take the pressure anymore. I'll cop to it, already!
If I don't do everything Lenny Englander says, he says he'll call up Jon Stewart and Bill Maher and tell them that I have a mad crush on them. It's bad; posters all over the walls, some w/ their dear faces pasted onto hot hard, sweaty bods...
So my secret is out now and the dirty rotton blackmailer hasn't got anything on me anymore, so there! :razz:
But I thought Bob was the only good one here???? Did I miss something?sunday school: A prison in which children do penance for the evil conscience of their parents.
--H. L. Mencken, American publisher
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Drug war POW
Straight, Sarasota
`80 - `82
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On 2005-11-02 13:11:00, Carmel wrote:
"Animals!
On 2005-11-02 12:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-11-02 00:50:00, Withdraw wrote:
"I was reminding this person that they PM me and agree with things I say and act like my friend, then stab me in the back just like they do to many people here. The many faces of That Troll! I am rarely nasty to people, but some of you all are just plain dumb. Or is psychotic really the word I'm looking for?"
Interesting. Here you reveal the content of few pm's with an unnamed person. You call that person "That Troll". You also admit that you are nasty to dumb people, or psychotic people.
I conclude that it is no wonder that an anonymous poster makes a jab about you being "the only good person around here". You have cleverly figured out that you are good, certain anonymous posters are bad, therefore you can be nasty to them, and this does not count against you. Neither does blackmailing count against you, because you are a really good person, and anyone who knows you would not really think that you would carry out the threat.
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I agree with Carmel. Sometimes Animals is the only person who makes any sense around here.
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HHHM. i am sick. :skull:
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ya'll talk shit!!
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Oh Well..."Do It Again" :smokin: PEaCE
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Well Jah know... i got some new vinyl today... :skull: :skull: :skull:
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i'm still listenin' to the same record.... right now it's Anne Murray - " Your so vain".... I'lll Bet you thyink this song is about you.... Don' YoIU.... fuck straight >>>> fuck str8. fuck str* i amf ull of yOPUr lies!!!!!
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aND YOIUR hORSE NAYTURALLY AWoN .>. oh i fORGTOT.... FUVCK YOu !!!!!!!!!!!!! N>:>>>> SAO COIME ONJ AND TALKK SHIT TO NM>>>>>>>>>>>>.....
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....Or What.... DiG ??! :skull: :skull:
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"CIty of New O'Lean."
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Neil YounG - Now.... i Fewlt like gettin' High... i wasthinking abotuijt whatr a friend had said i was hopin
' it was a lie...
YA Know.....;
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i am compelled to say "it wasd a time i remember ....oh so welll... nevrmind.
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Linda Ronstadt - "Your No GooD".....UNh Bring it to me... :smokin: :smokin: :skull:
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Well, really i'm jus' Buzzed up 'a lil'
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On 2005-10-18 12:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hi, I like you am a 35 year old woman who was in the Virginia Straight, Inc., only I was in from 1984-1985. I can't believe that there are other people out there that suffer from the same psychological demons as I do and the common denominator is that hellhole rehab we were all in.
My entire adult life has been a struggle with my self security and value. I have self sabotaged just about every opportunity I have ever had, been in and out of therapy, failed relationships, etc. And like you because of the "status " I have acquired I never dreamed of telling anyone about the psychotic and inhumane things I witnessed and experienced as a young girl in that warehouse in Virginia. Seriously, it seemed like a dream for so long, and I suppose I "filled" the memories with other things.
For some reason, today I stared to search online about Straight and somehow found this site. I cannot tell you how it has effected me. I read what you wrote and immediately started crying. I am so angry at the system for allowing such a place to exist( especially because that demonic man who is in office and his family are affiliated with the founders ) .
It may sound crazy, but perhaps rehab is not the answer for you. You use alcohol to dull the memories, perhaps if you came full circe with what happened to you, you wouldn't drink like you do.
There has got to be some type of lawsuit or something that could provide us with the validation and closure we probably need in order to feel vindicated emotionally. Someone has to assume responsiblitiy for the lives and minds that have been destroyed and experimented on.
If people sue for pain and suffering in bullshit personal injury cases, imagine the compensation for ours.
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You AreTotally right On!! i am drtunki. :skull:
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...i Uh ... have ta go back to the bar for a minute...
Catch ya'll when i get back....Don't take no wooden nickels!!
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On 2005-11-02 17:43:00, starry-eyed pirate wrote:
"Well, really i'm jus' Buzzed up 'a lil'"
ABBA???? Since you used it as a subtopic are you listening to ABBA? Which song? You are a trip when you post with a buzz Pirate........... :lol:
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[ This Message was edited by: Withdraw on 2006-02-28 22:03 ]
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On 2005-11-02 19:48:00, Withdraw wrote:
"LOL, some of you all are just unreal[/b] "
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Hello, Withdraw! :wave:
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Hello Brian Dodd :wave:
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What's up, WD?
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Evening to ya, Withdraw! :wave:
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Good evening WD, may I offer you some green tea?
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Evening to ya pal. :wave: :wave:
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Oh fuck off.
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Sorry you feel that way about me WD, but I am still your friend. :razz:
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People have been collecting information on her. She might be laying low right now.
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I am NOT collecting any information on her, I am her pal. :wave:
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::hatter::
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3) We are here to love each other. This is our purpose. There are many ways to accomplish this.
That's what I'm talkin' about, baby.. ::kiss::
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PM me & let's start chatting!
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On 2005-11-02 18:15:00, Nonconformistlaw wrote:
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On 2005-11-02 17:43:00, starry-eyed pirate wrote:
"Well, really i'm jus' Buzzed up 'a lil'"
ABBA???? Since you used it as a subtopic are you listening to ABBA? Which song? You are a trip when you post with a buzz Pirate........... :skull:
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On 2005-11-03 23:19:00, Str8survivorVA wrote:
"OK Str8 family its been a few weeks. I was the original poster of this thread so I thought I'd give an update on where I am at. Thank you to those of you who reached out way back before this thread mutated into some wierd thing that I am not sure I could characterize even if I wanted to."
Yeah...the threads often evolve into something it did not start out to be...I actually like it sometimes (when its not hostile that is) when the thread take interesting twists and turns.
"Bottom line is that, despite all of the wierdness and fucked-up-ness of all of this forum it has really helped me. Your stories and candor on this forum helped me to reallize that
1) "I am not crazy": This may sound silly but is kindof a big deal/realization for me
The forum has helped me too, in ways that are very hard to explain but you hit on one of the biggest ways it has helped me. VALIDATION...I'M NOT CRAZY...IT WASNT MY IMAGINATION...I WAS RIGHT ABOUT HOW FUCKED UP IT WAS.....and OH MY GOD IT WAS ACTUALLY WORSE THAN I REALIZED....
Anyway, glad its helping you too. ::rainbow::
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On 2005-11-04 07:12:00, starry-eyed pirate wrote:
On 2005-11-02 18:15:00, Nonconformistlaw wrote:
On 2005-11-02 17:43:00, starry-eyed pirate wrote:
"Well, really i'm jus' Buzzed up 'a lil'"
ABBA???? Since you used it as a subtopic are you listening to ABBA? Which song? You are a trip when you post with a buzz Pirate........... :skull: "
Wow that's a lot of cash to spend on alcohol...I dont even want to think about how much alcohol that is...If I drank that much I'd be dead for sure since I am such a lightweight. Glad you are recouperating from a nasty hangover though. Great song by ABBA...check out the lyrics thread....Knowing Me, Knowing You...uh huh
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Hmm, I liked it better when I was just a little paranoid but the rest of the world was more-or-less OK.
The more BORING a child is, the more the parents,
when showing off the child, receive adulation for
being GOOD PARENTS -- because they have a TAME
CHILD-CREATURE in their house.
--Frank Zappa
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On 2005-11-04 10:47:00, Antigen wrote:
"Hmm, I liked it better when I was just a little paranoid but the rest of the world was more-or-less OK."
I liked it better too, in the sense it was easier than dealing with the emotional crap, it was easier to believe I was crazy, that I was paranoid, it was all in my head, etc. Its harder to face the truth head on, but it helps alot when you dont have to go through it alone, it helps that others get it, etc.
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On 2005-11-03 23:19:00, Str8survivorVA wrote:
"OK Str8 family its been a few weeks.
Please, do not ever refer to me as being "Str8 family". I find that truly offensive, as well as stupidly smarmy. About as bad as the hippies that ask me for spare change and call me "brother", as if a one-sided financial transaction somehow creates filial bonds between us. I don't care if you refer to me as a "survivor", "veteran" or whatever, just NOT "Str8 Family".
3) We are here to love each other. This is our purpose. There are many ways to accomplish this.
Well, break out the love, sweetie! I know a few positions and techniques you may not have experienced, or even heard of. You are right about the "many ways", let me show ya a few of them.
I am going to restore the home and open a B&B. Hopefully I will meet many of you as guests when I open for business..."
Cool! I've been looking for a place to host the 1st Annual Straight Survivors Sex and Drug Festival. It's pretty much a drug-fueled orgy that will begin at your B & B, then move across several states, culminating in all Straight survivors everywhere simultaneously orgasming on the White House lawn while we're hallucinating from massive amounts of DMT/Ibogaine cocktails that we ingested during the opening ceremonies.
If you could have your concierge round up the following items, the event will run much more smoothly:
25 cases of KY lubricant, unflavored
100 cases of condoms, any brand but Lifestyles (damn things break all the time----I've got a wing of an abortion clinic named after me, thanks to Lifestyles condoms)
3 500-watt strobe lights, a mirrored 'disco' ball, and six dry ice "fog" machines. Also a few laser lights and color gels for the strobes.
10 "love swings", upholstereed in faux zebra skin prints.
25 cases of assorted topshelf liquor and mixers for same. Lotsa ice, too.
10 lbs. of high grade marijuana, for medicinal use only, of course.
Sixteen heart shaped waterbeds, filled with jell-o.
Five cases each of Reddi-whip and Hershey's chocolate syrup.
Life size papier mache statues of George W. and Laura Bush, naked and engaged in a sex act (your choice)
Digital cameras and audio recorders
Wide screen plasma TVs in each room, connected to the cameras for live feeds of the action in other rooms.
10 50lb. tanks of medical grade nitrous oxide.
Ten cases of body paint, assorted colors.
The Mormon Tabernacle Choir.
A wardobe with various costumes, such as Nazi regalia, nurse uniforms, leather corsets, princess costumes, space suits, etc.
Six copies of Twister, with the boards set up in different rooms, one outside.
A van set up with an FM antenna to broadcast the festivities on our own pirate radio station.
As other requests arise, I will forward them to your concierge.
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Hah! He's nobody's twin, he's the original. You better watch what you say about my brothers in your cookboook there, sister. :wave:
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On 2005-11-06 11:44:00, Str8survivorVA wrote:
"Aww, Anon, you words sting. Surely after all of that ?relating? in Group we are all, reluctantly or not, in some perverted way,?related? to one another?? After all, we can choose our friends, but we can't choose our family, right?
I must respectfully disagree, and it truly pains me to hear you speak of the "sting" of my words(which makes me glad I only had to read them, to have actually heard your quavering voice pronounce those words----ahh, 'twould have ripped mine heart asunder). By your logic, I would somehow then be "related" to shitheads like Dr. Dr. Rear-Admiral Rev. Sir Miller Newton, Ruth Ann Newton, William Rollins, and a host of other shitheads that are completely, and thankfully, unrelated to me. Also, any sex between survivors would be incestuous, and that's just distasteful to me, although I hear it's regularly practiced by followers of Miller Newton to this day.
Anyhoo, since you have posted as Anon, I can only infer from your rapier, sardonic wit that you must be Dennis Miller?s evil twin, and will make sure to give you credit as such when I publish your clever little list of ingredients in my ?Mrs. B?s B&B Recipes? book.
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Dennis Miller? Puh-leaze! That overfed, overpaid, undertalented right-wing hack couldn't hold a candle to my clever witticisms, with or without his thesaurus and a roomful of "assistants" (read:joke writers) standing by, about to hit the send button on their cell phones.
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ooh, she's got a mean backhand!