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The Seed Discussion Forum / More Trivia
« on: September 25, 2002, 08:29:00 AM »
greg i did not know that their was that much pressure from the media. before "the seed" i did not read the paper that often. and after i was married at 17 less that a year after being release. my head was so messed up that i didn't know if i was coming or going. a funny thought, i live in the same neighborhood as enie (peterson) we have even been at the same soccer games. i often wonder how much she wanted to be a counslor or if her mom made her. I have never seen her mom. that is one person i would love 10 minutes with.

if you ever hear of ex-seedlings getting together in person. please call me (896-6661)work. i would love to talk some more. the meeting is st. pete was good, but i had to leave and go to work, so i feel that i missed alot. keep in touch Cathy.

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The Seed Discussion Forum / More Trivia
« on: September 25, 2002, 08:14:00 AM »

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The Seed Discussion Forum / More Trivia
« on: September 23, 2002, 08:23:00 PM »
greg, i am really happy that you are constantly updating and keeping things current. It seems alot of people (like me) start their stories but don't continue. I have learned so much from reading this form that I feel I am able to put my past behind me. I know that there are peolple out there who believe me and know that what happened. If is funny how even family members don't remember things the same way. Your sister has been very kind, I am hoping to see her soon, I have been gone and just got back so I have been checking the mail. This site has been a life saver for me. I can't thank you enough for turning me onto it. I have heard the reasurance I have needed for years on this site. I have learned I am not alone. I can remember my friends with fondness, knowing they did not know what was happening either. Thank you for opening the door to a healing heart inside of me. As sad as it is, it is so nice not to be alone.

Watching kids get taken to the seed was like watching Hitler gathering people onto the train. WHY DID NO BODY STOP THIS INSANITY SOONER.

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The Seed Discussion Forum / seed - deaths - deadly marriage
« on: August 06, 2002, 07:44:00 AM »
the next time you are close by, maybe you and your sister or who ever is around can get together. This forum has been very helpful. And I would like to talk to you some more.

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The Seed Discussion Forum / seed - deaths - deadly marriage
« on: August 06, 2002, 07:42:00 AM »
I remember going garaging, but our big thing was sneaking into the nature trail and consuming whatever we got from the garages. I am still around, working for family, It was a good idea in 88 when I got divorced. now that my children are older. One is graduated from college making more than I do and going on to teach and get a masters in childrens guidance councling. She wants to work with kids in crisis intervention. What happened to me, has probley left some scars on her. My son is playing soccer on a scholorship and will be graduating soon, from the place we all hung out (eckerd college) he is just like me, even born on  my birthday. WHAT A GREAT KID. if you and greg want to get together, or any one for that matter. I would love to join you. this has been very helpful to me. And has explained alot now that I am able to look back over the years. Someone once told me I was being groomed to handle something very important. I just laugh, because if one more important thing happens to me, well lets pray it doesn't. I think that 45 years of life without happiness is enough.

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The Seed Discussion Forum / seed - deaths - deadly marriage
« on: July 31, 2002, 08:40:00 AM »
Hi, My name is Cathy I went to the seed in July of 1973 and graduated in March of 74 after telling Camile (not sure of spelling) that I was never going to change. Boy was I wrong. I am a early graduate of Lakewood 75.





Did you ever notice that the elite families of St Petersburg were the first to go to Ft Lauderdale. The rich and famous, the Yacht Club parents. It seems that NE got hit first. Kim, Jim, Bridgett, just to name a few.





My brother Jim and I were tricked into getting into the same car to go birthday shopping for my older brother. We thought it was strange (parents were divorcing) but we went to the mall. On the way for some wierd reason, I started singing they are coming to take me away HA HA. Jim joined in and my mother started to cry. My Dad for the first time in years held her hand. AND IT STILLS FEELS LIKE YESTERDAY.





When we pulled into the parking lot I was out of that car in 2 seconds. Jim yelled don't run, but I tried. My dad grabbed my arm I bit him and kicked him in the nuts. And a large blond women just smiled. (Edies Mom) For she knew what would happen now, they had me. Jim seemed to play the game, to graduate by Christmas and be the perfect Seedling. Not me. They were not going to get to me. BIG MISTAKE.





To took over a month for me to be aloud to go home. 2 months to return to school. (how did the school board allow us to miss so much school) And I was started over 3 times. I was not aloud to speak on parents night for 3 weeks. The seed had no idea what would come out of my mouth. When they finally aloud me to speak, I stood up and said. "My name is Cathy W.... All I ever did was smoke pot, drink beer, and I am here because it is the social thing to do. My parents are ... They are members of the Yacht Club. At that point since all was a secret I was grabbed from the room and I once again heard my mother crying.





I NEVER CUT MY HAIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





I was put in the private room to think about how I hurt my parents. Gee, why did no one care about how they hurt me.





Fast forward since I think that everyone knows what we went through.





The day I left the seed (I was quitely graduated) no party, no send off, no congratulations on the part of the seed, for when I looked Camile in the eye one day I told her on my 17th birthday (end of March) I was gone. She said she was the same way, that I would change, well that night I became an old comer for the last couple months of school. I thought I had survied.





I married a guy I met before the Seed. He was used to a strong independent person who would say F...Y.. and not care. What he got was a mouse. Which he quickly overcame, not knowing himself what had changed. It was not fair to either of us. I wanted away from school and home, he wanted a wife, so I got married at 17 after grad. in Jan of 75. People thought I was pregnet, what a joke, I had still not had sex. But according to the seed being friends was basically the same thing, it would lead to sex and I was still a whore (or I was told this by 300 kids my age for hours at a time)





Because I had no courage to fight any more I ended up being in the worst marriage possible. It made Sleeping with the enemy, and the burning bed look tame. I was prostuted out to his friends (but only after being ganged raped) I could never say no, or I would be beaten. I was sick, scared, and had no sprit left. I THOUGHT I HAD SAVED MY SELF, I THOUGHT I WAS THE SAME PERSON, WHERE DID IT GO WROUNG!





The first time I got high, It was with my best freinds, David Hicks, Bennet Beverly, and Mary D. What a foursome we were. David came to the seed and was told that having a girl for a best friend was insane. That girl was me. He was beaten down because of me. I would dream of David every night, he only spoke to me once after the seed. He looked my in the eye and said that he wasn't aloud to talk to me, but he begged me not to get married. I dreamed of David rescueing me every night. And I am not kidding. One day, I stopped dreaming about him, it made me sick. I could not wait to go to bed that night, but still no David. 3 days later my husband (now ex) called me at work and asked me if David had another name. I said yes, his real first name was John. He then told me they had found his body, 3 days eailer he had jumped the Skyway. Mary was the only friend I was aloud to keep. I dont know why. Then at work Bennets dad came in and told My brother and myself that Bennet was dead, he said Bennet had cancer. That's what I told Mary, when I found he to killed himself, I was heart broken, and I still have not told Mary the truth, because he was her soul friend, as David was mine.





I was physcally, emotionally, sexuelly (oh, screw the spelling - where is the spell check on this thing.) abussed, I had loaded guns held to my head, I have scars and burns on my body, my heart is broken and I have been alone since my divorse. WHo would want a broken soul anyway,





my children were not abused. I took the heat for all. One day my ex yelled at my daughter. I told someone at work (city credit union with cops and all - who would look at my face see bruises and stiches and never ask) told me that she did not care what happened to me. I was an adult. But that if he ever touched my kids, it was my fault. (don't ask me how, but I left him.) My kids were 5 and 7, they thought my mom took us away from there dad. It took years to convience them that it was not granny's fault, she was helping me.





I spent weeks in an abuse shelter. Luckly I was divorced in 3 months, he did not fight it. I threaten to expose all, for he was now a police man too.





There is more, but I can't go on right now. Someone talk to me. I hate seeing the sadness and compassion that peoples letters reveil. I have been told since 1975 that I needed to grow up. My older brother told me just last week that his hate for my past was stronger than his love of me and my children. He and his family would never come to marriages, christmas, thanksgiving.





because they don't like the fact I tell the truth my younger brother will not let me tell childhood stories, because he doesn't want his kids knowing about the seed, that he once smoked pot. He wants his kids to think he had a perfect childhood.





Well I don't know about anyone else, but I still smoke pot whenever I can, I used to go to job interview high, figuring that if they hired me, they knew what they were getting. I always got the job. I am glad I have not had to look for a job since 88. But, to me, it is better than drinking, because I would probley be a drunk.





I need to talk about this and I thank god that an ex sister in law called me in june to listen to the radio, before the conference. Is any out there who thinks they know me. And is there a purpose in telling more.

[ This Message was edited by: cw on 2002-07-31 17:16 ]

[ This Message was edited by: cw on 2002-08-01 05:45 ]

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The Seed Discussion Forum / Lakewood High
« on: July 29, 2002, 08:47:00 PM »
I was in the seed almost exactly to the day that you were. My name is Cathy I had a brother named Jim. I also am in the class of 75. Reading everyones experiences has had a very different "feeling" going on for me. I am sad that so many are dead, everyone my best friend Mary and I hung out with our dead, Bennet, David, Mary and me (Cathy) what a forsome. The seed made my best friends kill themselfs. It closed the door of a tourbulent childhood to what was certain to be a horrible adulthood. I was so degraded that if somone told me I was stupid I would agree. My life was in an angels hand because I do not know how I to am alive today. It was like I was sent someone to kill be because I could not end the insanity myself. My marriage made Sleeping With the Enemy seem tame and The Burning Bed look harmless.

Sometimes I feel like it will never be over.

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