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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Lighthouse of northwest florida (fka VCA )/ Rebekah / Roloff ) => Topic started by: Rosiecole on November 03, 2005, 08:55:00 PM
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Hello everyone,
I am a survivor of HH, a spin off of the Rebekah. When one of the homes in CC, Texas was closed 2 of roloff's followers the Palmers, Ray and Kay who worked for him moved the operation to Union, Mississippi. The Palmer's daughter Cheryl was killed in the crash with Roloff. I am seeking people who were in HH between 93 and 95, or any one who knows what we went through, with Licks, not getting your period for a year, the confinement, the cuffs to your bed, the thoughts of suicide, and homicide at the same time, the emotional torture, the supposed word of god being beaten into you, or fed to you forcibly, losing faith in everything, wanting to die, not speaking for months at a time, watching people go completely insane, Bible Memo for an hour a day in sync, jogging in place in 100 + weather in a skirt/dress for an hour, no contact with the outside world other than chapel, and church, being forced to keep your head down in shame daily, any of this sound familar. These are some of the nightmares I have. Holly, Angie, Amanda, Naomi, Carrie, Lacey, you guys are in my heart forever. Not one day goes by I don't remember, especially Angie, Holly, and Amanda. So many more girls I can't keep naming names on the internet. Anyone who was in HH between 93 and 95 I hope you are okay. This is M, from East Boston if that sounds familar. write me anytime at [email protected]
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i was a rebekah girl of the 80's in corpus christi
i remember when the palmers lived on the farm and she worked in the kitchen, they were nice back then, maybe getting to be in charge of HH changed them and made them mean
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happiness hills if you can call it that. sounds like it was run like rebekah. I hope you find your friends and peace in your heart.
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Thanks, I do too. Did you know their daughter Cheryl who died in the crash with roloff?
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We liked to call it sadness hell.
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My name is Amanda and I did go to happiness hills for only 3 months until I made the Plamers send me home. My time spent at happinees hills was hell i was forced to go there beyond my own will and hated every minute of the day...
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Amanda, when you were there? I need to know if I know you. Are you from Texas? If so, please email me at [email protected]
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3 months!! Walk in the park. That would be kinda like summer bible camp. :roll:
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3 months there felt like 3 years. They can do a lot to you in 3months.
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a few of us have a happiness hell survivor myspace, anyone is welcome
Johnna
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I was in Happiness Hill from Aug.1st,1996-July22nd,1997. My first few months there were pure hell, but that wasn't the Palmers fault. It was an evil woman named Debbie Shore. She used to make new girls put their heads down going to church. We could not even look around while we were on the bus. She used to shave her chin on the bus. I thought that was so funny. She was sick all of the time. I heard she used to work with cancer patients and started taking morphine. She made my life miserable and I would love to tell her. She made up all these rules that the Palmers didn't know about. We could not even part our hair in the middle. We could not pull our socks all the way up. We could not say cool or dude. We had to say corny words like fluff instead of poot. She was the upstairs dorm mom. Ms Becky was the downstairs dorm mom. She was only 18. I actually loved her. She was really close to Jennifer Justice from Muscle Shoals Alabama. I would like to get in touch with some of the girls. There was a few of us girls that got together in Gulf Shores, Alabama. Does anyone remember the Dyes. I liked Bro. Dye, but Mrs. Dye reminded me of a snake in the grass. They had to leave for some reason. I forget why but the Palmers asked them to leave. I also remember Ms Paula Bischo from Texas. She was another downstairs dorm mom. I also loved her. She was really close to Tana Shank from Canton, Ohio. She used to give us chocolates sometimes even though we weren't allowed to have white sugar. She is a loving person. The Palmers were also loving people. I could tell they cared about us. Everything was fine when Debbie Shore left. My first room captain was Korean Tentenman. She was from Detroit. She also was very mean to me. There was another girl named Nikky Turner from Detroit. She also gave me a hard time. I was wondering if anyone was ever in the first room to the right when you go upstairs the top bunk . I was in that bed and had a dream that seemed so real. I have chills right now thinking about it. This old woman with a long skirt or dress was floating above me. She looked like a witch or something. She was looking straight at me. To this day, I don't know if it was real or not. I found out in 2003 that another girl who stayed in that room in the same bunk bed saw that same woman. I freaked out. This girl came to the home after I was already out. Her name is April. I forgot her last name, but she was from Alaska. She was a nice girl. I met her in 97 or 98 when I went back to visit. It was weird because I never tod anyone about my dream. Someone get back to me.
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Are u talking about Johnna Smith from Springfield, Missouri?
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Is this Johnna Smith? Were you in the home in 97?
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Are you the Amanda that got sent home because you were pregnant? why did you get sent home? I wish I would have known at that time what to do to get sent home.
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On 2006-04-28 22:09:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I was in Happiness Hill from Aug.1st,1996-July22nd,1997. My first few months there were pure hell, but that wasn't the Palmers fault. It was an evil woman named Debbie Shore. She used to make new girls put their heads down going to church. We could not even look around while we were on the bus. She used to shave her chin on the bus. I thought that was so funny. She was sick all of the time. I heard she used to work with cancer patients and started taking morphine. She made my life miserable and I would love to tell her. She made up all these rules that the Palmers didn't know about. We could not even part our hair in the middle. We could not pull our socks all the way up. We could not say cool or dude. We had to say corny words like fluff instead of poot. She was the upstairs dorm mom. Ms Becky was the downstairs dorm mom. She was only 18. I actually loved her. She was really close to Jennifer Justice from Muscle Shoals Alabama. I would like to get in touch with some of the girls. There was a few of us girls that got together in Gulf Shores, Alabama. Does anyone remember the Dyes. I liked Bro. Dye, but Mrs. Dye reminded me of a snake in the grass. They had to leave for some reason. I forget why but the Palmers asked them to leave. I also remember Ms Paula Bischo from Texas. She was another downstairs dorm mom. I also loved her. She was really close to Tana Shank from Canton, Ohio. She used to give us chocolates sometimes even though we weren't allowed to have white sugar. She is a loving person. The Palmers were also loving people. I could tell they cared about us. Everything was fine when Debbie Shore left. My first room captain was Korean Tentenman. She was from Detroit. She also was very mean to me. There was another girl named Nikky Turner from Detroit. She also gave me a hard time. I was wondering if anyone was ever in the first room to the right when you go upstairs the top bunk . I was in that bed and had a dream that seemed so real. I have chills right now thinking about it. This old woman with a long skirt or dress was floating above me. She looked like a witch or something. She was looking straight at me. To this day, I don't know if it was real or not. I found out in 2003 that another girl who stayed in that room in the same bunk bed saw that same woman. I freaked out. This girl came to the home after I was already out. Her name is April. I forgot her last name, but she was from Alaska. She was a nice girl. I met her in 97 or 98 when I went back to visit. It was weird because I never tod anyone about my dream. Someone get back to me."
so what else can you say about the Dyes? :???:
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On 2006-04-28 22:09:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I was in Happiness Hill from Aug.1st,1996-July22nd,1997. My first few months there were pure hell, but that wasn't the Palmers fault. It was an evil woman named Debbie Shore. She used to make new girls put their heads down going to church. We could not even look around while we were on the bus. She used to shave her chin on the bus. I thought that was so funny. She was sick all of the time. I heard she used to work with cancer patients and started taking morphine. She made my life miserable and I would love to tell her. She made up all these rules that the Palmers didn't know about. We could not even part our hair in the middle. We could not pull our socks all the way up. We could not say cool or dude. We had to say corny words like fluff instead of poot. She was the upstairs dorm mom. Ms Becky was the downstairs dorm mom. She was only 18. I actually loved her. She was really close to Jennifer Justice from Muscle Shoals Alabama. I would like to get in touch with some of the girls. There was a few of us girls that got together in Gulf Shores, Alabama. Does anyone remember the Dyes. I liked Bro. Dye, but Mrs. Dye reminded me of a snake in the grass. They had to leave for some reason. I forget why but the Palmers asked them to leave. I also remember Ms Paula Bischo from Texas. She was another downstairs dorm mom. I also loved her. She was really close to Tana Shank from Canton, Ohio. She used to give us chocolates sometimes even though we weren't allowed to have white sugar. She is a loving person. The Palmers were also loving people. I could tell they cared about us. Everything was fine when Debbie Shore left. My first room captain was Korean Tentenman. She was from Detroit. She also was very mean to me. There was another girl named Nikky Turner from Detroit. She also gave me a hard time. I was wondering if anyone was ever in the first room to the right when you go upstairs the top bunk . I was in that bed and had a dream that seemed so real. I have chills right now thinking about it. This old woman with a long skirt or dress was floating above me. She looked like a witch or something. She was looking straight at me. To this day, I don't know if it was real or not. I found out in 2003 that another girl who stayed in that room in the same bunk bed saw that same woman. I freaked out. This girl came to the home after I was already out. Her name is April. I forgot her last name, but she was from Alaska. She was a nice girl. I met her in 97 or 98 when I went back to visit. It was weird because I never tod anyone about my dream. Someone get back to me."
i would like information about Dyes .......please let me know how to contact you .....
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Mrs. Becky was there when I was there, she is now happpily married with two kids.
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This is Johnna from Springfield, MO. Who is this?
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I was in Happiness Hill from Aug.1st,1996-July22nd,1997. My first few months there were pure hell, but that wasn't the Palmers fault. It was an evil woman named Debbie Shore. She used to make new girls put their heads down going to church. We could not even look around while we were on the bus. She used to shave her chin on the bus. I thought that was so funny. She was sick all of the time. I heard she used to work with cancer patients and started taking morphine. She made my life miserable and I would love to tell her. She made up all these rules that the Palmers didn't know about. We could not even part our hair in the middle. We could not pull our socks all the way up. We could not say cool or dude. We had to say corny words like fluff instead of poot. She was the upstairs dorm mom. Ms Becky was the downstairs dorm mom. She was only 18. I actually loved her. She was really close to Jennifer Justice from Muscle Shoals Alabama. I would like to get in touch with some of the girls. There was a few of us girls that got together in Gulf Shores, Alabama. Does anyone remember the Dyes. I liked Bro. Dye, but Mrs. Dye reminded me of a snake in the grass. They had to leave for some reason. I forget why but the Palmers asked them to leave. I also remember Ms Paula Bischo from Texas. She was another downstairs dorm mom. I also loved her. She was really close to Tana Shank from Canton, Ohio. She used to give us chocolates sometimes even though we weren't allowed to have white sugar. She is a loving person. The Palmers were also loving people. I could tell they cared about us. Everything was fine when Debbie Shore left. My first room captain was Korean Tentenman. She was from Detroit. She also was very mean to me. There was another girl named Nikky Turner from Detroit. She also gave me a hard time. I was wondering if anyone was ever in the first room to the right when you go upstairs the top bunk . I was in that bed and had a dream that seemed so real. I have chills right now thinking about it. This old woman with a long skirt or dress was floating above me. She looked like a witch or something. She was looking straight at me. To this day, I don't know if it was real or not. I found out in 2003 that another girl who stayed in that room in the same bunk bed saw that same woman. I freaked out. This girl came to the home after I was already out. Her name is April. I forgot her last name, but she was from Alaska. She was a nice girl. I met her in 97 or 98 when I went back to visit. It was weird because I never tod anyone about my dream. Someone get back to me.
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My first few months there were pure hell, but that wasn't the Palmers fault. It was an evil woman named Debbie Shore. She used to make new girls put their heads down going to church. We could not even look around while we were on the bus.
From GentleStormi:
This method of looking down on the ground while going about, is a very old Roloff method. Done in Rebekah, Bethesda, and Jubilee and probably all the other places. It was a very common practice all the way back to the early 1970's and one that apparently all Roloff Workers did, Palmers would have known of it for thier long association in the Roloff Organization.
I am wondering if you could share if you wanted to, how this method of being forced to look down on the ground may have felt back then?
i know one Rebekah Survivor who has said that she has lived that way as a result of that ingraining into her, she walks around to this day with a habit of looking down on the ground. It also affects how she thinks of her self and her self esteem in her life. it has left a negative impact on her.
I personally feel that this method of the Roloff Methodolgy, is one that is trying to bring about a shame to the girls that had to do this, this looking down to the ground. This not allowing any of us to have eye contact with others, its the same kind of thing that slave owners did to slaves. A slave was not to look his mistress or master in the eye and assume they were "equal". so to me its a demeaning practice and one that goes miles in creating a sense of being "less than" of not having a voice or a right to speak.
although there is always need for all children and teenagers to show respect to their parents and teachers, this is taking it way too far into the realm of a twilightzone surrealism.
Palmers and Dye's ran homes on the compound in Corpus Christi, they operated these homes in trailer houses from what i have been told by those who were there. Palmers would have been very aware of all the methods of the Roloff homes , how ever well intentioned they may have wanted to be. I am sorry that they lost their daughter in Roloff crash.
I would firmly hold to an idea that because the Palmers were involved in the Roloff homes for so many years, they would have seen the heads down, would have talked about it, would have been aware of this method and approved of it.
Their not speaking about it, only emphasizes to me of their aggreement to it and collusion in it.
btw, they still do this practice, to this day. i went to visit the roloff farm recently and noted that the lighthouse men and the jubilee women all would not meet my eye and all looked to the ground.
GentleStormi
Roloff Rebekah Survivor to Overcomer
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/roloff-si ... -bethesda/ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/roloff-sistersurvivorssupport_rebekah-bethesda/)
http://roloffsisterssurvivors.bravehost.com/index.html (http://roloffsisterssurvivors.bravehost.com/index.html)
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If anyone is searching for Happiness Hill survivors specifically from the Palmers era, we have a brand new website - happinesshillsurvivors.com This is a branch off of an already established group on MySpace, but we would love to get in contact with any others! Please look us up!
Darcy
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www.happinesshillsurvivors.com (http://www.happinesshillsurvivors.com)
and MySpace
http://groups.myspace.com/HappinessHill (http://groups.myspace.com/HappinessHill)
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I have updated the Wiki page (http://http://www.fornits.com/wiki/index.php?title=Happiness_Hill_Christian_Home_%26_Academy).
What about the exact address of the facility? The postal address is just to an office.
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There seems to be something fishy going on there. The Wiki page will be updated:
Director of group home arrested (http://www.neshobademocrat.com/Content/NEWS/News/Article/Director-of-group-home-arrested/2/297/38709)
By TRISTAN STOVALL - Wednesday, May 25, 2016 6:00 PM
The former director of Happiness Hill Christian Home for girls on Deemer Road and his wife were charged with embezzlement after $210,313.36 was reported missing following a state audit, the authorities said.
Jack High, 69, of 11901 Road 505, and Karen Lynn High, 67, same address, were charged with taking the money from the Christian home, a mission of Lighthouse Baptist Church in Lafayette, Ind.
High was director of Happiness Hill and his wife was secretary/treasurer, Sheriff Tommy Waddell said.
They are no longer employed by the home, which is now directed by John and Anna Rush.
While a routine state audit revealed $210,313.36 in missing funds, Waddell said a separate in-house audit showed $383,251.05.
Sheriff Investigator Ralph Sciple said he was notified of the missing funds on March 8 by William Murdock, chairman of the board of Lighthouse Baptist Church. The Highs were arrested on April 21.
The Highs were released from jail on bonds.
Happiness Hill was founded in 1991 by Raymond and Kaye Palmer. It is a home for young ladies between the ages of 13-17 who want and are willing to receive help.
According to their website, many of the young ladies have been abused, neglected and unwanted. Some may be caught up in alcohol, drugs, being with the wrong crowd, rebellion and some may just have no one to care for them, the website said.
Among the home’s financial supporting ministries in this area are Arlington, Calvary and Enon Baptist churches and First Baptist Church of Union and Greenland Baptist Church of Union.
A home for boys was later opened called the Solid Rock Boy’s Home.
The two homes are located within five miles of each other on Road 505, better known as Deemer Road.