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Title: Who Sue Hates post
Post by: BuzzKill on January 01, 2007, 11:25:32 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Sue is a one man band so her connection with Izzy is for some self-serving purpose.  Sue may have made promises to Izzy but it's doubtful that Sue would GIVE Izzy any of the money she gets from Sue's referral business.  Maybe Sue has got Izzy writing the "Sue-Sue" book "At my Wits End."  Compared to Sue, Izzy would seem to be a brain.  :rofl:  Sorry but couldn't help the laugh on that one.

Marie Peart makes money on the referrals through PURE but that's different because Marie is needed by Sue to hook parents in, so, don't know for certain, but Sue and Marie split the fees I would guess.  Marie uses her money to live on but Sue uses most of her money to fund her lawsuits--again I don't know this for sure but look at all of the money Sue Scheff spends on these lawsuits.

Sue hates Ginger and she wants to sue Shelby, Paula, Karen and maybe Christine Gomez.  Sue is afraid of Ginger and Paula but she hates them all cause they don't do the Hitler/Scheff goosestep..  Sue hates Jeff Berryman too but he is "loyal" to Sue so she backs off in exchange for Jeff keeping his mouth shut.  Obvious isn't it?  Sue's few remaining "loyal friends" have said this.

Izzy is a wet rag who blows whichever way the wind blows.  Izzy had a BIG falling out with the California lawyer, Tom Coleman, and he will have nothing to do with Izzy.  I suspect Tom Coleman is onto Sue Scheff too and won't touch Sue with a 10 foot pole.

Izzy was soliciting money from all the parents and bragging that the CA lawyer was hiring Izzy and promised her a big salary.  Izzy was telling EVERYONE ALL ABOUT IT.  Izzy got fired as a receptionist from some law firm in Washington or somewhere in the northwest.  Izzy disappeared and then come up with her bullshit CAICA.  

Sue hated Izzy for her ditching Whitmore but, since Izzy took off Whitmore, Sue now LOVES the slovenly slob.

Remember Sue is losing credibility even with her remaining loyal Texan "friends" but they feel sorry for her they tell us.  Sue bullshits them and they don't know everything--like how she sold them out to WWASP and almost got them sued-----but that's another story.  [/b]


OK - this is intriguing.
It has always been a kind of game trying to figure out who the various "guests" are (or bag heads as we used to cal them) and I don't recall ever before asking one to tip me off. But, I feel I must know you - who ever you are.

You probably know who I am - so if you don't mind - fire me off a PM or email and relieve me of this "wondering who".  I have a few questions  ;)
Title: Hint
Post by: Anonymous on January 01, 2007, 12:07:30 PM
Here's a hint on the Anon---

Dude.

Split U.S. in half and Dude would be on west side most of the time but not every day.

Sue talks to dude.

Dude does not "hate" sue. Just intrigued by her odd personality.

 :wink:
Title: Invitation to Sue-Sue
Post by: Anonymous on January 01, 2007, 01:07:37 PM
Sue's lawsuit with Carey has made Sue very popular on the internet.

at:    www.demoni.ca/drupal/node/1225 (http://www.demoni.ca/drupal/node/1225)

"Sue Scheff of Weston, Florida, is a trashbag ho
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Submitted by unit3 on October 11, 2006 - 6:57pm.

So apparently some trashbag ho in Florida named Sue Sheff sued someone for $11 million USD because they made fun of her on the internet. Well, Sue, I hate to break it to you, but having that story on Slashdot isn't going to do you any favours.

Did I call her a dumb bitch yet? Because I meant to. Sue me."


 ::rocker::
Title: Who Sue Hates post
Post by: BuzzKill on January 01, 2007, 02:13:50 PM
So, Dude - you saying you find Susan intriguing? That's all?
No other adjectives come to mind?

Q: Why on Earth does Sue hate Jeff? I know she makes fun of him, as she does everyone; but  How does Jeff fall into the category of Hated by Sue?

She tell you that?
Title: Who Sue Hates post
Post by: Anonymous on January 01, 2007, 03:23:54 PM
Intrigued only by her ODD personality.  Think about it.  She is odd--very odd and someone like me would be interested in such a twisted personality.
Title: Who Sue Hates post
Post by: BuzzKill on January 01, 2007, 03:44:29 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Intrigued only by her ODD personality.  Think about it.  She is odd--very odd and someone like me would be interested in such a twisted personality.


Hells bells - I'm having a hard time getting this posted. May be its a sign.

anyway. . .

I thought you meant ODD as in oppositional Defiant Disorder - but you just mean strange - correct?

I was going to debate that "diagnosis" with you ;)

So - I might have guessed who you are - tho I can hardly believe it. Sure do wish you'd save me all this guessing.

Why not make yourself profile - use any sort of name you like - so you can use the private message feature?

'nuther Q: What are you referring to when you speak of nearly getting her Texan friends sued? I can only think of one possible occasion - and wonder if we could possibly be thinking about the same event?
Title: Who Sue Hates post
Post by: Anonymous on January 01, 2007, 08:50:02 PM
Me thinks DUDE should post more often.  I don't know about anyone else, but I'm ready for Part II of the PURE CAICA saga.  

 ::bigsmilebounce::
Title: Who Sue Hates post
Post by: Anonymous on January 01, 2007, 09:42:41 PM
KAREN:

"You probably know who I am - so if you don't mind - fire me off a PM or email and relieve me of this "wondering who". I have a few questions."

DUDE:

Did Zorro PM?  Hardly.
Title: Who Sue Hates post
Post by: BuzzKill on January 01, 2007, 10:29:15 PM
Zorro?

Get Real Dude.


So, what about the questions asked above?


Why on Earth does Sue hate Jeff? I know she makes fun of him, as she does everyone; but How does Jeff fall into the category of Hated by Sue? She tell you that?

you saying you find Susan intriguing? That's all?
No other adjectives come to mind? (Besides Odd)

 What are you referring to when you speak of nearly getting her Texan friends sued? I can only think of one possible occasion - and wonder if we could possibly be thinking about the same event?
Title: Who Sue Hates post
Post by: BuzzKill on January 01, 2007, 10:36:08 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Intrigued only by her ODD personality.  Think about it.  She is odd--very odd and someone like me would be interested in such a twisted personality.


This could be a clue - but not a very good one. Most people are interested in other twisted people. Consider the popularity of the caravel freak shows, for example.

And a Dude living west of the Mississippi is also not much of a clue. There are several possibilities.

Your use of Caps brings someone to mind. . .But if so - then you are speaking of yourself in third person.

Wish you wouldn't make me guess like this.

Does Zorro use Email?
Title: Who Sue Hates post
Post by: Anonymous on January 02, 2007, 09:39:47 PM
Hmm, maybe there should be a separate thread called "POSTINGS FROM DUDE-THROAT.  Ya know, like the Watergate scandal and the insider (informant) known as "Deep Throat" whose clandestine meetings with Woodward and Bernstein from the Washington Post
was ultimately turned into a tell-all book and movie called All The President's Men?  

Before you laugh, I'm actually serious because it sure seems to me there's another side to this story that needs to be told one way or another.
Title: Who Sue Hates post
Post by: Anonymous on January 02, 2007, 09:45:29 PM
Dude Throat - if you are reading, please don't be offended, as this suggestion is meant with the upmost respect for your apparent insight and intellect.
Title: Who Sue Hates post
Post by: Anonymous on January 03, 2007, 01:12:58 PM
Is this DUDE poster Lee Colburn?
Title: Who Sue Hates post
Post by: Anonymous on January 03, 2007, 01:27:48 PM
Do people really think Isabelle Zehnder is the "ghost writer" for Sue Scheff's upcoming book "At My Wit's End?"

From reading the numerous postings by Sue Scheff posted on this site, it does seem as if Scheff might require help in the grammar and spelling department; but isn't that the job of editors and staff at a publishng company---to clean up what appears to be very poor writing skills?
And don't publishing companies have legal departments who try to make sure that things don't get published that can come back on them that can eslcalte into law suits?
Don't really know how the publishing industry operates, but was just wondering how all this works?

But, from the numerous writing errors that have been pointed out on the CAICA website by Fornits posters---it doen't seem reasonable, IMO, that anyone would seriously consider hiring Isabelle as a  a "ghost writer" for any book.

But, perhaps stranger things have happened.
Title: Who Sue Hates post
Post by: BuzzKill on January 03, 2007, 02:50:46 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Is this DUDE poster Lee Colburn?


Only the shadow knows  8-)

Much speculation taking place off the board.
Hope we haven't scared Zorro off  ::bandit::

Come on back Dude - lets "chat" some more  :em:

As for Susan's little book and the ghost writer question - let me stress - it is PUREly a guess - but I can't imagine she would let anyone else have that kind of control over her story.
Title: Who Sue Hates post
Post by: Anonymous on January 03, 2007, 04:00:42 PM
Why hire an amatuer to ghost write a book if you can afford to hire a professional?
Title: Who Sue Hates post
Post by: Anonymous on January 03, 2007, 04:48:41 PM
Who said anyone could afford to hire any professional?
Title: Who Sue Hates post
Post by: Anonymous on January 03, 2007, 05:17:33 PM
Yea, BUZZ is probably correct.  Who but Sue-Sue could keep all the "stories" straight that need to be in her little book?

 There's the reported abuse of her daughter in that WWASP program, right?---and then the reports of her parading this girl to WWASP seminars to supposedly keep selling the WWASP programs, even after Sue-Sue started PURE?
It seems like only Sue-Sue could explain this!

Then all this TREKKER stuff: It seems like she told these fine people (and it does appear that these really were fine people) that she just wanted to HELP PARENTS, and that she never referred children to programs for money?  There has to be some way for Sue-Sue to explain all this--especially when Sue-Sue admits she WAS paid referral fees for sending chidren to programs in the WWASP vs PURE transcripts.
Surely, the TREKKER folks could just read this transcript for themselves.

Then all the Whitmore stuff: supporting the Sudweeks, and continuing the refer children to that program while the Sudweeks were being investigated for child abuse, and reportedly continuing to refer chldren to Whitmore after Cheryl Sudweeks was actually charged with criminal child abuse and hazing?
That would seem to take some explaining.

This "At My Wits End" may be a long long book.
Title: Who Sue Hates post
Post by: Anonymous on January 03, 2007, 06:29:45 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Why hire an amatuer to ghost write a book if you can afford to hire a professional?


Sue would not "hire" Mrs. Zehnder.

Who would agree to write such a shallow story other than another shallow person?

Dude speaks with Lee Colburn.

If you think Dude is "smart," why would you think Lee Colburn is Dude?

Think before writing.

 :smokin:  Red Dude
Title: Who Sue Hates post
Post by: Anonymous on January 03, 2007, 08:32:52 PM
Who ever said Lee Colburn is not a smart person?
Title: Who Sue Hates post
Post by: Anonymous on January 03, 2007, 08:57:22 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Who ever said Lee Colburn is not a smart person?


Apparently Dude did.
Title: Who Sue Hates post
Post by: Anonymous on January 04, 2007, 05:36:17 PM
I think "Dude" is John France or one of the parents who knows Sue.  How about it Dude?
Title: Who Sue Hates post
Post by: BuzzKill on January 04, 2007, 06:07:57 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
I think "Dude" is John France or one of the parents who knows Sue.  How about it Dude?


John's name has been bandied about as a contender - but there are other possibilities - and it is always possible that this is someone who wouldn't truly be described by the few hints given. A woman for example - and not a dude. East coast - not west. We can't know for sure. Makes guessing with accuracy very difficult.

Who ever it is, they do know Sue, and seem to have insight into some of the issues an "outsider" wouldn't have.

I do wish they would comment on some of the questions asked. It could be interesting on so many levels.
Title: Who Sue Hates post
Post by: Anonymous on January 04, 2007, 06:16:00 PM
I agree Buzz.  The person also seems to know iZZY though, based on the references he/she made about her specifically.

Don't know if that helps narrow the field down or makes it bigger, but it does seem to me Dude (or dudette) knows both Sue and Izzy.
Title: Who Sue Hates post
Post by: BuzzKill on January 04, 2007, 06:42:27 PM
I don't think knowing Izzahell changes the field much. We all at least know who she is; and most of us have talked to her at one time or another. References to her appearance could just be the repeating of spiteful rumor - Izzahell has a lot of people who are, or have been, angry with her - including her new old best friend, Susan. Any of these people could be the source of such comments. In fact, Susan is notoriously prone to sniping at people about their appearance.
Title: Who Sue Hates post
Post by: Anonymous on January 04, 2007, 07:49:54 PM
Could be, but it kinda seems like Dude (ette) seems to have expressed some rather explicit opinions of Isabelle/Caica. (I boldfaced typed some of them)
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Sue is a one man band so her connection with Izzy is for some self-serving purpose. Sue may have made promises to Izzy but it's doubtful that Sue would GIVE Izzy any of the money she gets from Sue's referral business. Maybe Sue has got Izzy writing the "Sue-Sue" book "At my Wits End." Compared to Sue, Izzy would seem to be a brain.  Sorry but couldn't help the laugh on that one.

Marie Peart makes money on the referrals through PURE but that's different because Marie is needed by Sue to hook parents in, so, don't know for certain, but Sue and Marie split the fees I would guess. Marie uses her money to live on but Sue uses most of her money to fund her lawsuits--again I don't know this for sure but look at all of the money Sue Scheff spends on these lawsuits.

Sue hates Ginger and she wants to sue Shelby, Paula, Karen and maybe Christine Gomez. Sue is afraid of Ginger and Paula but she hates them all cause they don't do the Hitler/Scheff goosestep.. Sue hates Jeff Berryman too but he is "loyal" to Sue so she backs off in exchange for Jeff keeping his mouth shut. Obvious isn't it? Sue's few remaining "loyal friends" have said this.

Izzy is a wet rag who blows whichever way the wind blows. Izzy had a BIG falling out with the California lawyer, Tom Coleman, and he will have nothing to do with Izzy. I suspect Tom Coleman is onto Sue Scheff too and won't touch Sue with a 10 foot pole.

Izzy was soliciting money from all the parents and bragging that the CA lawyer was hiring Izzy and promised her a big salary. Izzy was telling EVERYONE ALL ABOUT IT. Izzy got fired as a receptionist from some law firm in Washington or somewhere in the northwest. Izzy disappeared and then come up with her bullshit CAICA.

Sue hated Izzy for her ditching Whitmore but, since Izzy took off Whitmore, Sue now LOVES the slovenly slob.

Remember Sue is losing credibility even with her remaining loyal Texan "friends" but they feel sorry for her they tell us. Sue bullshits them and they don't know everything--like how she sold them out to WWASP and almost got them sued-----but that's another story. [/b]
Title: Who Sue Hates post
Post by: BuzzKill on January 05, 2007, 10:21:30 AM
///zzy is a wet rag who blows whichever way the wind blows. Izzy had a BIG falling out with the California lawyer, Tom Coleman, and he will have nothing to do with Izzy. I suspect Tom Coleman is onto Sue Scheff too and won't touch Sue with a 10 foot pole.

Izzy was soliciting money from all the parents and bragging that the CA lawyer was hiring Izzy and promised her a big salary. Izzy was telling EVERYONE ALL ABOUT IT. Izzy got fired as a receptionist from some law firm in Washington or somewhere in the northwest. Izzy disappeared and then come up with her bullshit CAICA. ///


The thing is most of the possible contenders would know all this. These were little scandals much talked over at the time. Tom Coleman is not with out some controversy of his own. The way I heard it, he was charging parents a grand a piece for information they could read for free on ISACcorp.org . You all know how it is - if you get involved with advocacy, parents soon start asking for advice on safe schools/ good schools/ which are the bad schools. , ,  What I heard was, that Tom took to selling info - sort of like like an ed con in reverse, i suppose.  This came to light about the same time it was realized Izzy was full of crap.  Also, all about the time Sue got pissed at ISAC for posting Joyce's statement. She began telling those who had help fund ISAC, to help fund Tom Coleman's group as well as Izzy's instead. Then of corse Izzy put Whitmore on her watch list; ( a brief grasp for credibility) and so then Sue hated her too. Then she took it down, and now they are connected like a twisted pair of bopsie twins.  But the point is - none of this info is at all unique knowledge.
Title: Who Sue Hates post
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2007, 10:37:24 AM
Well, if DUDE wants to "PLAY" ---seems like the DUDE needs to post something that is unique then; instead of re-hashing a bunch of stuff about "who Sue-Sue hates" and idle gossip.

Or perhaps, DUDE could answer Buzzkill's valid questions.
Title: Who Sue Hates post
Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2007, 09:42:53 AM
Who cares? A lot of people know all the stuff DUDE has been saying. This is a stupid game IMO, in case Sue-sue wants to sue AGAIN !  :rofl:

Quote from: ""Guest""
Well, if DUDE wants to "PLAY" ---seems like the DUDE needs to post something that is unique then; instead of re-hashing a bunch of stuff about "who Sue-Sue hates" and idle gossip.

Or perhaps, DUDE could answer Buzzkill's valid questions.