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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Anonymous on July 13, 2005, 08:31:00 AM
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Sammie,
I have an attorney who would definitely be interested in speaking with you regarding your statements as a survivor of Straight and what they did to you.
If you are interested please reply here. I will forward an email address to you once I get your reply, then I will ask you as a paralegal servicer some less personal questions.
From there I would like to get you in contact with a class action attorney who also handles capital cases of rape.
If you are serious then I am definitely serious.
Please respond. Also, if anyone else here is interested in speaking to an attorney, I would recommend that you begin by filing a victim witness statement to the police, I know of an attorney who is very interested in hearing our case right now. His name will remain private until I know that there are more interested parties beyond the ones that I have already gathered.
Rachael from the other institution, this goes for you as well, okay?
THERE IS STRENGTH IN NUMBERS.
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I'll talk to you. Email me below.
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~Most have been there and have done that~
File a witness statement with the police for being wronged by a pseudopsychotherpeuticgreedbasedmindcontrolcult
over 20 years ago? C'mon...
Are you an outsider seeing dollar signs?
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No reply as of yet. Reckon this person is for real? :eek:
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I know! Sammie should go BACK on Montel when Sylvia Brown is there, and then she can see where all her courageous and selfless work for children in harm's way, will land her. :grin:
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On 2005-07-13 19:01:00, kpickle39 wrote:
"No reply as of yet. Reckon this person is for real? :eek: "
Pickle, you've been around a while...gimme a break.
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Although this email was directed at Sammy in general, you may send your Victim/Witness Statements to this email address for right now.
Please understand that filing any sort of claim, ALL statements MUST be put on file in the same county, in a sheriff's/police station by a rape unit or investigation unit, of the Straight you were in. Your statement must be taken by a police officer and you must make them take your statement, and then check back with them daily or every other day to see how their investigation is going.
In your statement please name as many names as you can that hold accountable to your stay at Straight. In your statement at the bottom you will need to sign your name, but above that you should explain that 'This information is true, I swear, to the best of my knowledge and memory. Also, I may change and add to this information as I am remembering more and speaking with others who have had the same experiences'. And thensome.
Kpickle, please file a notarized, free at a bank, Victim/Witness Statement to the county police department of the Straight Inc. you were in, and then send it to this email address, too:
[email protected]
This email address is for serious inquiries and the handling of victim witness statements. Please refer to other victim statements found on this website or consult with someone before emailing.
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On 2005-07-14 07:07:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Although this email was directed at Sammy in general, you may send your Victim/Witness Statements to this email address for right now.
Please understand that filing any sort of claim, ALL statements MUST be put on file in the same county, in a sheriff's/police station by a rape unit or investigation unit, of the Straight you were in. Your statement must be taken by a police officer and you must make them take your statement, and then check back with them daily or every other day to see how their investigation is going.
In your statement please name as many names as you can that hold accountable to your stay at Straight. In your statement at the bottom you will need to sign your name, but above that you should explain that 'This information is true, I swear, to the best of my knowledge and memory. Also, I may change and add to this information as I am remembering more and speaking with others who have had the same experiences'. And thensome.
Kpickle, please file a notarized, free at a bank, Victim/Witness Statement to the county police department of the Straight Inc. you were in, and then send it to this email address, too:
[email protected] (http://mailto:[email protected])
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don't do anything for me. thanks
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let me know more before I fill out the statement...pls contact me directly at [email protected]
I would like to know a little bit more info - thanks
Mike
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I think [email protected] is serious. I think we should get together and make this happen.
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I apologize for the delay in responding here.
If you are interested in filing a statement and would like an attorney who is interested in reviewing your case, please send it to this email address:
[email protected]
It does NOT need to include any private information of currence such as your own email address or social security number. It Would need to have contact information so the attorney can contact you, and the fully sworn testimony. So, you have nothing to worry about perhaps, most here have already given out their stories on television or in post even if not sworn.
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On 2005-07-14 18:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I think [email protected] is serious. I think we should get together and make this happen."
On what do you base that opinion?
All we ask is to be let alone.
-- Jefferson Davis (1808-1889): First Message to the Confederate Congress, March,1861.
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My interpretation of the evidence thus far presented.
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On 2005-07-15 20:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
"My interpretation of the evidence thus far presented. "
evidence? What evidence? Hope that wasn't the attorney replying....if so, get another one!
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Look, its R Kelly!
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bump.
I contacted this person. I have recently sent my affidavit to the right police station just down the street from where my Straight was. I have spoken with the attorney after I turned it in and they found out I did turn it in. He says they are finding alot of similarities to all the Straights in different states, not different at all actually. He is considering filing a class action suit and wants more reports he say. He wants everyone I asked to file a sworn statement that will tell what happened to you if anything and what you saw while you were Straighted.
You don't have shit to lose by seeing what this person is doing. If your information goes to the police, you are protected no matter what attorney looks at it. I was asked to keep names anonymous in order to weed out those who may not be serious about this.
Thanks.
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I contacted them, and I think they're for real. Not making any outrageous promises or anything like that. I could be wrong, but I don't see any harm in filing an affadavit.
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On 2005-07-14 13:47:00, sammiegirl wrote:
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On 2005-07-14 07:07:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Although this email was directed at Sammy in general, you may send your Victim/Witness Statements to this email address for right now.
Please understand that filing any sort of claim, ALL statements MUST be put on file in the same county, in a sheriff's/police station by a rape unit or investigation unit, of the Straight you were in. Your statement must be taken by a police officer and you must make them take your statement, and then check back with them daily or every other day to see how their investigation is going.
In your statement please name as many names as you can that hold accountable to your stay at Straight. In your statement at the bottom you will need to sign your name, but above that you should explain that 'This information is true, I swear, to the best of my knowledge and memory. Also, I may change and add to this information as I am remembering more and speaking with others who have had the same experiences'. And thensome.
Kpickle, please file a notarized, free at a bank, Victim/Witness Statement to the county police department of the Straight Inc. you were in, and then send it to this email address, too:
[email protected] (http://mailto:[email protected])"
Scab cooze comforter Nazi apoligist bitch.
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get a life, animals y'shithead.
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On 2005-07-19 19:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
"...I don't see any harm in filing an affadavit."
? But I thought that was a point of contention vis-a-vis the MCG thing? Right? Anyone care to comment? Any who has researched, professionally verified information?
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On 2005-10-04 06:59:00, Anonymous wrote:
"get a life, animals y'shithead."
But...Im not these "Animals".
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I'd make a formal statement also,But you'd have to prove that a reliable Attorney is involved.. So have the said attorney contact me. If he/she is really serious, then he/she should have no problem contacting those who asked.
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Sorry about that, I know you're not.
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NO NO, LET'S REALLY DO IT FOR SAMMIE NOW
Do what for Sammie?
let it go already, with everything else going on in the world Nobody gives a shit about Straight Inc. They didn't 20 years ago and don't now.
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Fab idea! Let's all quit giving a shit about EVERYTHING! Excuse me, could I have a fridgerator that gives off CFC's, a 3-mile to the gallon automobile (when they come back from Iraq, that is!), genetically engineered food with a good helping of pesticides on top from corporate-owned and controlled seed stock, some of them nice rugs from Asia that are made by children who are ankle-locked to the loom they work on for twelve hours a day, did I mention I like those bananas with the pesticides that make the pickers really sick, whatever, they are too poor to count anyway, oh, but they count stitches, ha ha, that's a good one! Potatoes, I like the ones from Texas that get picked by migrant laborer teenagers who really don't need to go to school they are busy picking my food for me. Oh, save my kid a spot in Tranquility Bay. I have to run out to Saks to pick up some $1,000 dollar-shoes. Tell Laura I called, I LOVE their plan over in the middle east, she MUST tell me who this Halliburton man is, yum yum, I'm horny for him already. By the way, my hairdresser does heroin. Either that or he's gay. Lock the dear up, will you? I think he would enjoy prison a whole lot. Ennyhoo, sick of caring, glad the trend is going in the other direction, the 80's were bitchin'! Rah rah, girls. Let's give Sammie some Manolo Blahniks and a night on the town with Dr. Pill. Sammie, you are so hot when you harden your heart to suffering! Get the girl an agent.
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bbuummpp
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On 2005-10-05 09:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Fab idea! Let's all quit giving a shit about EVERYTHING! Excuse me, could I have a fridgerator that gives off CFC's, a 3-mile to the gallon automobile (when they come back from Iraq, that is!), genetically engineered food with a good helping of pesticides on top from corporate-owned and controlled seed stock, some of them nice rugs from Asia that are made by children who are ankle-locked to the loom they work on for twelve hours a day, did I mention I like those bananas with the pesticides that make the pickers really sick, whatever, they are too poor to count anyway, oh, but they count stitches, ha ha, that's a good one! Potatoes, I like the ones from Texas that get picked by migrant laborer teenagers who really don't need to go to school they are busy picking my food for me. Oh, save my kid a spot in Tranquility Bay. I have to run out to Saks to pick up some $1,000 dollar-shoes. Tell Laura I called, I LOVE their plan over in the middle east, she MUST tell me who this Halliburton man is, yum yum, I'm horny for him already. By the way, my hairdresser does heroin. Either that or he's gay. Lock the dear up, will you? I think he would enjoy prison a whole lot. Ennyhoo, sick of caring, glad the trend is going in the other direction, the 80's were bitchin'! Rah rah, girls. Let's give Sammie some Manolo Blahniks and a night on the town with Dr. Pill. Sammie, you are so hot when you harden your heart to suffering! Get the girl an agent. "
I'd like to draw attention to this excellent post of mine.
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You are 2 cool. :nworthy: :nworthy: :nworthy: :wink:
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:skull: :cry2: :tup:
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Do you guys sign your statements as anonymous?
Yea that's gonna work in court. "Your honor, I call anonymous to the stand."
I'm glad you guys finally got the message to not contact me anymore. All you ever did was waste my time.
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No No NO No , Wait! No! Wait! Let's really do it DO IT NOW FOR SAMMIE! Yeah! ::bangin:: ::puke::
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i told ginger this....i talked my attorney.she told me the statutes of limitations is up on that.....the statutes started as soon as we turned 18....well that was 24 yrs for me.....i'm not trying to burst anyones bubbles,but she specialises in "handicapped"ppl of any kind!we talked for 20-30 minutes about it.....she told me that anyone in a thing like str8,anything like straight,that just turned 18 might have a chance with the nessesary proof{s} though!...the statutes screw any of us in straight.....i know,
bummer....i hope it does work out for you guys,lord knows hardly any of the money they made off all our parents over the last 30 years,got taken away from them by lawsuites!....hippie
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On 2006-02-27 12:53:00, stillahippie564 wrote:
"i told ginger this....i talked my attorney.she told me the statutes of limitations is up on that.....the statutes started as soon as we turned 18....well that was 24 yrs for me.....i'm not trying to burst anyones bubbles,but she specialises in "handicapped"ppl of any kind!we talked for 20-30 minutes about it.....she told me that anyone in a thing like str8,anything like straight,that just turned 18 might have a chance with the nessesary proof{s} though!...the statutes screw any of us in straight.....i know,
bummer....i hope it does work out for you guys,lord knows hardly any of the money they made off all our parents over the last 30 years,got taken away from them by lawsuites!....hippie"
What about "Rosewood"?
Those negros that got murdered and had their houses burned down 80 years ago in a North Florida village,named "Rosewood".
They got the "Statute Of Limitations" lifted,and they got their day in court,and some money too.I think the key word was "genocide".
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There is no statute of limitations for murder. There is for abuse.
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On 2006-02-28 05:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
"There is no statute of limitations for murder. There is for abuse."
"Murder" is not the key word here,and nobody was arrested for "murder" in the Rosewood case.It happened about 80 years ago,so there was nobody to charge with murder.
The decendents of the Rosewood victims wanted to sue for money/property,and they won.
They first were told that the statute of limitations had run out,but they got their day in court,very recently,and they got their money and property.
This case in Florida set a precident for "statute of limitations".
It had something to do with the word "genocide",I believe.
Regardless,they are a group of people,in Florida,who were told that the statute of limitations had expired in their case,but later,because it was a unique set of circumstances(mostly because they are black people),they were given their day in court,AND THEY WON!
There are some people around here trying to lable Mel Sembler & Co. as a "hate group",so maybe if that lable sticks,victims of Mel Sembler & Co. could prove a set of special circumstances that would convince the courts to waive the statute of limitations regarding the abuse that was precipitated on the victims by Mel Sembler & Co,thus giving them their day in court,and maybe their money too.
Signing off from the big coconut tree on the Isl.
Your buddy,
Gilligan
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Well then go for it. My understanding is that the families of the massacre victims received compensation for the murders of their family members.
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On 2006-02-28 05:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Well then go for it. My understanding is that the families of the massacre victims received compensation for the murders of their family members.
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Nope,they were compensated for the loss of property and being run out of town on a rail.
Im just writing this from memory though.
Maybe there are better informations about this at Google.com?
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On 2006-02-28 05:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
Nope,they were compensated for the loss of property and being run out of town on a rail.
That wouldn't exactly constitute genocide.
Im just writing this from memory though.
Maybe there are better informations about this at Google.com?"
Maybe. Again, go for it.
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On 2006-02-28 05:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-02-28 05:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
Nope,they were compensated for the loss of property and being run out of town on a rail.
That wouldn't exactly constitute genocide.
Im just writing this from memory though.
Maybe there are better informations about this at Google.com?"
Maybe. Again, go for it."
Im not sure if it was based on the word "genocide",but I remember that word being tossed about regarding the Rosewood case
They were black people,and the whole town,or village,was burned down because they were black people.Some of them died,I think because they were black people.The people who did it hated them,so it is said,because they were black people
I guess the people who hated them were members of a hate group.
Im not sure who they sued,but I think they sued the government because the cops back then ignored the incident,because they were black people.
So,I think they were paid compensation by the government,the one that refused to help them,because they were black people.
It is difficult for me to do a web search on subjects like genocide,or Taiwan,or Tibet,or Abuse,etc.,because I am in China,so I cant very easily look this kind of thing up on the internet.
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Good god... stop being money-hungry, loser "victims" living in the past and GET A LIFE. How long do you want to sit on this site bitching about how awful the program made your life? Doesn't it ever get OLD? Really, it's unbelievable.
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Ok, I'll stop doing it right now! Thanks!
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On 2006-02-28 06:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
" Good god... stop being money-hungry, loser "victims" living in the past and GET A LIFE. How long do you want to sit on this site bitching about how awful the program made your life? Doesn't it ever get OLD? Really, it's unbelievable."
Im more interested in burglerizing their houses after they collect all that money from the lawsuit.
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On 2006-02-28 06:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
" Good god... stop being money-hungry, loser "victims" living in the past and GET A LIFE. How long do you want to sit on this site bitching about how awful the program made your life? Doesn't it ever get OLD? Really, it's unbelievable."
This is our Happy-go-lucky-Lifer!
How long are you gonna sit on this site and bitch that everyone isn't just like you? Why do you want to convince everyone to get on your cult wagon? Get a life, oh wait.. I forgot The program already gave you one
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Lets get one thing sparkling clear.
Im NOT your Happy-go-licky-Lifer,and Im definately not these Animals,or Kevin Dodd,OR Kevin Dobbs.
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On 2006-02-28 07:07:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Lets get one thing sparkling clear.
Im NOT your Happy-go-licky-Lifer,and Im definately not these Animals,or Kevin Dodd,OR Kevin Dobbs."
Maybe not. There's at least 3 of you, two guys and one girl who trash anyone that doesn't 100% agree with EVERYTHING you do and say and you're definitely one of them.
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On 2006-02-28 07:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-02-28 07:07:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Lets get one thing sparkling clear.
Im NOT your Happy-go-licky-Lifer,and Im definately not these Animals,or Kevin Dodd,OR Kevin Dobbs."
Maybe not. There's at least 3 of you, two guys and one girl who trash anyone that doesn't 100% agree with EVERYTHING you do and say and you're definitely one of them."
But nobody ever disagrees with me.
Wang-Dang-Ding-Dong,I am the Chinese Sandman.
COVER ME,Animals!Im goin in!!!
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On 2006-02-28 07:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
But nobody ever disagrees with me.
What planet are you on?
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On 2006-02-28 07:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-02-28 07:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
But nobody ever disagrees with me.
What planet are you on?"
Im just sayin,you made such a broad statment,and you are wrong.
Rarely does anybody here disagree,in writing,with what I post here.
You got me all wrong,and by God,IM NOT Animals!
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On 2006-02-28 07:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
Rarely does anybody here disagree,in writing,with what I post here.
You're either clinically nuts or pathologically obtuse.
You got me all wrong,and by God,IM NOT Animals!"
didn't say you were.
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On 2006-02-28 07:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-02-28 07:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
Rarely does anybody here disagree,in writing,with what I post here.
You're either clinically nuts or pathologically obtuse.
You got me all wrong,and by God,IM NOT Animals!"
didn't say you were.
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"Obtuse" is fair.
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On 2006-02-28 06:22:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-02-28 05:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-02-28 05:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
Nope,they were compensated for the loss of property and being run out of town on a rail.
That wouldn't exactly constitute genocide.
Im just writing this from memory though.
Maybe there are better informations about this at Google.com?"
Maybe. Again, go for it."
Im not sure if it was based on the word "genocide",but I remember that word being tossed about regarding the Rosewood case
They were black people,and the whole town,or village,was burned down because they were black people.Some of them died,I think because they were black people.The people who did it hated them,so it is said,because they were black people
I guess the people who hated them were members of a hate group.
Im not sure who they sued,but I think they sued the government because the cops back then ignored the incident,because they were black people.
So,I think they were paid compensation by the government,the one that refused to help them,because they were black people.
It is difficult for me to do a web search on subjects like genocide,or Taiwan,or Tibet,or Abuse,etc.,because I am in China,so I cant very easily look this kind of thing up on the internet."
"Definitional Distortions
Genocide is not an old word, having "naturally" evolved over time to hold meanings contrary to its own. Nor was it meant to serve as a synonym for mass killing. When Raphaël Lemkin coined the term in 1944, he went to considerable lengths in explaining that it was intended to describe policies and processes designed to bring about the dissolution and disappearance of targeted human groups, as such. He wrote "Genocide has two phases, one, destruction of the national pattern of the oppressed group; the other, the imposition of the national pattern of the oppressor."15 If these two conditions have been fulfilled, a genocide has occurred, even if every member of the targeted group has survived the process in a physical sense.
Generally speaking, genocide does not necessarily mean the immediate destruction of a nation, except when accomplished by mass killings. It is intended rather to signify a coordinated plan of different actions aimed at the destruction of the essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves. The objectives of such a plan would be a disintegration of political and social institutions?of culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic existence of national groups, and the destruction of personal security, liberty, health, dignity, and even the lives of the individuals belonging to such groups. Genocide is directed at the national group as an entity, and the actions involved are directed at individuals, not in their individual capacity, but as members of the national group (emphasis added).16
In 1946, Lemkin was retained by the United Nations Secretariat to draft an international convention codifying the crime. Therein, genocide?that is, "policies aimed at eradicating targeted ethnical, racial, national, religious or political groups"?was defined in a twofold way: "(1) the destruction of a group," and "(2) preventing its preservation and development."17 The offending policies were themselves grouped in three categories, all of equal gravity:
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Physical Genocide, meaning outright extermination as well as the imposition of "slow death measures (i.e., subjection to conditions of life which, owing to lack of proper housing, clothing, food, hygiene and medical care or excessive work or physical exertion are likely to result in the debilitation and death of individuals; mutilations and biological experiments imposed for other than curative purposes; and deprivation of livelihood by means of looting or confiscation of property).
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Biological Genocide, meaning the prevention of births among the target group (i.e., involuntary sterilization or abortion, as well as compulsory segregation of the sexes).
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Cultural Genocide, meaning destruction of the specific characteristics of the group (i.e., forced dispersal of the population; forced transfer of children to another group; suppression of religious practices or the national language; forced exile of writers, artists, religious and political leaders or other individuals representing the culture of the group; destruction of cultural/religious shrines or monuments, or their diversion to alien uses; destruction or dispersion of documents and objects of historical, artistic or religious value, and objects used in religious worship).18
The draft was then turned over to a committee composed of nation-state delegates to be "revised and condensed" before its submission to the U.N. General Assembly. During this process, the United States and Canada, acting in concert, were able to arrange deletion of almost the entire provision on cultural genocide, as well as all explicit references to slow death measures.19 As the matter was finally framed in international law on December 9, 1948, "genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:"
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on members of the group conditions of life calculated to bring about physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.20
Strikingly, even in this greatly-truncated delineation, only one in five criteria pertain to direct killing. Eighty percent of the legal definition of genocide thus devolves upon nonlethal policies and activities. The responses of the U.S. and Canada to this are instructive. The United States simply refused for forty years to accept the result. Finally, in 1988, embarrassed at being the only country so openly rejecting the rule of law, it attempted a ratification in which it claimed a "right" to exempt itself from compliance whenever convenient.22
Canada also submitted an invalid ratification, but much earlier, in 1952. The subterfuge in this case was to write domestic implementing legislation in such a way as to excise from the country's "legal understanding" those classifications of genocidal policy in which Canada was actually engaged, retaining only those involving "physical destruction... killing, or its substantial equivalents" (that is, Article II(a), (c) and (d) of the 1948 Convention).
For purposes of Canadian law, we believe that the definition of genocide should be drawn somewhat more narrowly than in the [already much narrowed] international Convention so as to include only killing and its substantial equivalents...The other components of the international definition, viz, causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of a group and forcibly transferring children of one group to another group with intent to destroy the group we deem inadvisable for Canada.23
In 1985, the parliament went further, removing the prohibition on involuntary sterilization (1948 Convention, Article II(d)) from Canada's genocide statute.24 No country, of course, whether it be Canada or the U.S. or Nazi Germany, holds a legitimate prerogative to pick and choose among elements of international law, electing to abide by some and not others. It possess even less of a right to unilaterally "revise" the Laws of Nations in conformity with its own preferences. As the Nazis were informed at Nuremberg, the requirements of customary law are binding, irrespective of whether individual sovereignties wish to accept them.25
Nonetheless, taking the cue from their governments, a range of "responsible" scholars shortly set themselves to the task of deforming Lemkin's concept even further. In 1959, Dutch law professor Pieter Drost published a massive two-volume study wherein he argued that usage of the term "genocide" should be restricted to its physical and biological dimensions, and that cultural genocide should be redesignated as "ethnocide," a term he erroneously attributed to "post-war French scholars."26 Thereafter, biological genocide was also quietly dropped from discussion as writer after writer defined genocide exclusively in terms of killing.27 Forty years of this continuous "genocide equals mass murder" distortion has yielded an altogether predictable effect, not only on the popular consciousness but on that of many otherwise critical activists and intellectuals. This last is readily evident in the recent release of a book by Native Hawaiian sovereigntist and professor Haunani-Kay Trask, wherein genocide is defined as simply the "systematic killing of a people identified by ethnic/racial characteristics."28 "
ETC. URL: http://www.othervoices.org/2.1/churchill/denial.html (http://www.othervoices.org/2.1/churchill/denial.html)
keynote: "When Raphaël Lemkin coined the term in 1944, he went to considerable lengths in explaining that it was intended to describe policies and processes designed to bring about the dissolution and disappearance of targeted human groups, as such. He wrote "Genocide has two phases, one, destruction of the national pattern of the oppressed group; the other, the imposition of the national pattern of the oppressor."15 If these two conditions have been fulfilled, a genocide has occurred, even if every member of the targeted group has survived the process in a physical sense."
That definition was botchered by nations that wanted to still commit genocide.
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On 2006-03-01 13:02:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-02-28 06:22:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-02-28 05:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-02-28 05:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
Nope,they were compensated for the loss of property and being run out of town on a rail.
That wouldn't exactly constitute genocide.
Im just writing this from memory though.
Maybe there are better informations about this at Google.com?"
Maybe. Again, go for it."
Im not sure if it was based on the word "genocide",but I remember that word being tossed about regarding the Rosewood case
They were black people,and the whole town,or village,was burned down because they were black people.Some of them died,I think because they were black people.The people who did it hated them,so it is said,because they were black people
I guess the people who hated them were members of a hate group.
Im not sure who they sued,but I think they sued the government because the cops back then ignored the incident,because they were black people.
So,I think they were paid compensation by the government,the one that refused to help them,because they were black people.
It is difficult for me to do a web search on subjects like genocide,or Taiwan,or Tibet,or Abuse,etc.,because I am in China,so I cant very easily look this kind of thing up on the internet."
"Definitional Distortions
Genocide is not an old word, having "naturally" evolved over time to hold meanings contrary to its own. Nor was it meant to serve as a synonym for mass killing. When Raphaël Lemkin coined the term in 1944, he went to considerable lengths in explaining that it was intended to describe policies and processes designed to bring about the dissolution and disappearance of targeted human groups, as such. He wrote "Genocide has two phases, one, destruction of the national pattern of the oppressed group; the other, the imposition of the national pattern of the oppressor."15 If these two conditions have been fulfilled, a genocide has occurred, even if every member of the targeted group has survived the process in a physical sense.
Generally speaking, genocide does not necessarily mean the immediate destruction of a nation, except when accomplished by mass killings. It is intended rather to signify a coordinated plan of different actions aimed at the destruction of the essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves. The objectives of such a plan would be a disintegration of political and social institutions?of culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic existence of national groups, and the destruction of personal security, liberty, health, dignity, and even the lives of the individuals belonging to such groups. Genocide is directed at the national group as an entity, and the actions involved are directed at individuals, not in their individual capacity, but as members of the national group (emphasis added).16
In 1946, Lemkin was retained by the United Nations Secretariat to draft an international convention codifying the crime. Therein, genocide?that is, "policies aimed at eradicating targeted ethnical, racial, national, religious or political groups"?was defined in a twofold way: "(1) the destruction of a group," and "(2) preventing its preservation and development."17 The offending policies were themselves grouped in three categories, all of equal gravity:
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Physical Genocide, meaning outright extermination as well as the imposition of "slow death measures (i.e., subjection to conditions of life which, owing to lack of proper housing, clothing, food, hygiene and medical care or excessive work or physical exertion are likely to result in the debilitation and death of individuals; mutilations and biological experiments imposed for other than curative purposes; and deprivation of livelihood by means of looting or confiscation of property).
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Biological Genocide, meaning the prevention of births among the target group (i.e., involuntary sterilization or abortion, as well as compulsory segregation of the sexes).
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Cultural Genocide, meaning destruction of the specific characteristics of the group (i.e., forced dispersal of the population; forced transfer of children to another group; suppression of religious practices or the national language; forced exile of writers, artists, religious and political leaders or other individuals representing the culture of the group; destruction of cultural/religious shrines or monuments, or their diversion to alien uses; destruction or dispersion of documents and objects of historical, artistic or religious value, and objects used in religious worship).18
The draft was then turned over to a committee composed of nation-state delegates to be "revised and condensed" before its submission to the U.N. General Assembly. During this process, the United States and Canada, acting in concert, were able to arrange deletion of almost the entire provision on cultural genocide, as well as all explicit references to slow death measures.19 As the matter was finally framed in international law on December 9, 1948, "genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:"
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on members of the group conditions of life calculated to bring about physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.20
Strikingly, even in this greatly-truncated delineation, only one in five criteria pertain to direct killing. Eighty percent of the legal definition of genocide thus devolves upon nonlethal policies and activities. The responses of the U.S. and Canada to this are instructive. The United States simply refused for forty years to accept the result. Finally, in 1988, embarrassed at being the only country so openly rejecting the rule of law, it attempted a ratification in which it claimed a "right" to exempt itself from compliance whenever convenient.22
Canada also submitted an invalid ratification, but much earlier, in 1952. The subterfuge in this case was to write domestic implementing legislation in such a way as to excise from the country's "legal understanding" those classifications of genocidal policy in which Canada was actually engaged, retaining only those involving "physical destruction... killing, or its substantial equivalents" (that is, Article II(a), (c) and (d) of the 1948 Convention).
For purposes of Canadian law, we believe that the definition of genocide should be drawn somewhat more narrowly than in the [already much narrowed] international Convention so as to include only killing and its substantial equivalents...The other components of the international definition, viz, causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of a group and forcibly transferring children of one group to another group with intent to destroy the group we deem inadvisable for Canada.23
In 1985, the parliament went further, removing the prohibition on involuntary sterilization (1948 Convention, Article II(d)) from Canada's genocide statute.24 No country, of course, whether it be Canada or the U.S. or Nazi Germany, holds a legitimate prerogative to pick and choose among elements of international law, electing to abide by some and not others. It possess even less of a right to unilaterally "revise" the Laws of Nations in conformity with its own preferences. As the Nazis were informed at Nuremberg, the requirements of customary law are binding, irrespective of whether individual sovereignties wish to accept them.25
Nonetheless, taking the cue from their governments, a range of "responsible" scholars shortly set themselves to the task of deforming Lemkin's concept even further. In 1959, Dutch law professor Pieter Drost published a massive two-volume study wherein he argued that usage of the term "genocide" should be restricted to its physical and biological dimensions, and that cultural genocide should be redesignated as "ethnocide," a term he erroneously attributed to "post-war French scholars."26 Thereafter, biological genocide was also quietly dropped from discussion as writer after writer defined genocide exclusively in terms of killing.27 Forty years of this continuous "genocide equals mass murder" distortion has yielded an altogether predictable effect, not only on the popular consciousness but on that of many otherwise critical activists and intellectuals. This last is readily evident in the recent release of a book by Native Hawaiian sovereigntist and professor Haunani-Kay Trask, wherein genocide is defined as simply the "systematic killing of a people identified by ethnic/racial characteristics."28 "
ETC. URL: http://www.othervoices.org/2.1/churchill/denial.html (http://www.othervoices.org/2.1/churchill/denial.html)
keynote: "When Raphaël Lemkin coined the term in 1944, he went to considerable lengths in explaining that it was intended to describe policies and processes designed to bring about the dissolution and disappearance of targeted human groups, as such. He wrote "Genocide has two phases, one, destruction of the national pattern of the oppressed group; the other, the imposition of the national pattern of the oppressor."15 If these two conditions have been fulfilled, a genocide has occurred, even if every member of the targeted group has survived the process in a physical sense."
That definition was botchered by nations that wanted to still commit genocide. "
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for the record, I deleted my post because I was ashamed of myself for engaging you at all. I would have deleted my other post but you had responded to it.
You are back on ignore because you aren't worth my time. I will not be lowering myself to your behavior.
Have at it "punk".
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On 2005-07-13 06:07:00, kpickle39 wrote:
"I'll talk to you. Email me below."
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not even with your prophalactic on
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On 2006-03-12 05:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-07-13 06:07:00, kpickle39 wrote:
"I'll talk to you. Email me below."
Could I interest you in a pair of zircron encrusted tweezers?
Here,let me sterilize them.Give me your lighter."
:wave: