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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on November 20, 2007, 10:39:24 PM
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Monday, October 15, 2007
Core Solutions Takes Proactive Stand
October 14, 2007
In light of the recent Congressional Hearing, Core Solutions is taking a proactive stand to work in alliance with Schools and Programs intent on being viewed as Family Friendly, transparent in its day-to-day operations, and working in concert with the parents they serve.
The follow-up Congressional Hearing is scheduled for February 2008. As an industry, we must prepare. There has never been a more critical time to further empower and rally the support of your families. Their voices need to be heard and their stories told. They are your strength, your strongest ally and are the evidence of your true and honest intent.
Some key areas of value that our Bulletin Board services will provide to your Program:
A private secured online Bulletin Board system customized specifically for your program, available 24/7; includes regular monitoring to preserve the integrity of your School's Community.
The Schools are viewed as running a transparent program; no shroud of secrecy.
Viewed as a Family Friendly program. Your Bulletin Board quickly enhances and expands the family component of your program, providing a way for your families to tightly team with you for the true intent of actual family healing, not just treating their child.
Each Board reflects the individual branding of that Facility, i.e.: colors, logo, feel and they develop their own Facility Culture.
The overall Board culture reinforces the need for following program guidelines, graduation, and family involvement in order to make the changes needed for when their child returns home and to support their child's changes.
We have a very reputable reference list that you are welcome to contact.
A private, secure online central location to post Parent Manuals, Photos, News Articles, Research, Training and Resource Information, up-to-date notices about the Facility, Staff, returning graduate visits, upcoming events, family weekends, graduations, and showcase accomplishments, academic info, etc.
Economical for the Facilities, as we handle the training, monitoring, registrations, invites, terminations, and technical issues 365 days a year, including 'after hours'.
Our streamlined proven Bulletin Board system eliminates the learning curve of getting an online Community going for the families, and helping a program make it work for them.
The Administration will gain solid feedback on the effectiveness and dependability about Staff and program outcome.
Be Prepared. A functional Bulletin Board is the quickest, most efficient and effective way to become part of the solution by having a communication system that will aid your program in being prepared in all areas for the upcoming Congressional Hearing.
There are two things that are here to stay: technology and parent's needs. However, due to the unique nature of our industry, it takes much more then technical know-how to make a Bulletin Board work effectively and productively for a program. It's not just about setting a system up. It's about how to make that system work in sync with the goals and vision of the program. How to create unity and teamwork. We know how to make your Bulletin Board Service help communication with your parents, so that it doesn't work against you. It's the combined background of the Core Solutions Team - our experience and dedication to the family healing industry - that marries the two successfully!
Recognizing every private entity in the family healing field has an obligation and responsibility to be part of the solution, Core Solutions is willing to be the first contributor by offering a rate reduction through November 20th, 2007. Contact www.CoreBB.com (http://www.CoreBB.com) to learn more.
Posted by CoreBB at 11:04 AM
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The Schools are viewed as running a transparent program; no shroud of secrecy.
I don't usually wish for competent enemies, but this is fish-and-barrel shit.
How can they be "transparent" if you need to be logged in to see anything and said logins are niggardly handed out?
I keep hoping that Randall is going to wake up one morning and be like "Why the fuck am I supporting this bullshit?", and proceed to post ALL his boards to some public place, preferably Fornits.
Just upload the SQL exports, Randall; I'll take it from there.
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this is the part that scares me:
The follow-up Congressional Hearing is scheduled for February 2008. As an industry, we must prepare. There has never been a more critical time to further empower and rally the support of your families. Their voices need to be heard and their stories told. They are your strength, your strongest ally and are the evidence of your true and honest intent.
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I don't think this is anything to be scared about i have heard from many who say this industry is great. Kids as well as parents. But while in the case of kids I appreciate their view It is also not hard to see that the incarceration without trial factor is their no matter how "lifesaving" it is. Moreover no amount of life affirming stories can override the fact that the most "respectable" places and companies have death counts and credible allegations of abuse. So I think the damning testimony of those first 3 families will outway the arguments that tough love is a good thing. Perhaps when the actual therapies are described in detail eithr from kids hurt or families in favour the truly toxic nature of this industry will become clear
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I don't think this is anything to be scared about i have heard from many who say this industry is great. Kids as well as parents. But while in the case of kids I appreciate their view It is also not hard to see that the incarceration without trial factor is their no matter how "lifesaving" it is. Moreover no amount of life affirming stories can override the fact that the most "respectable" places and companies have death counts and credible allegations of abuse. So I think the damning testimony of those first 3 families will outway the arguments that tough love is a good thing. Perhaps when the actual therapies are described in detail eithr from kids hurt or families in favour the truly toxic nature of this industry will become clear
I think we can be certain of 2 things:
1. The GAO investigation will result in some action being taken (they always do)
2. The GAO investigation will not result in shutting down the industry (because there is a need and they would have to come up with alternate proposals on what to do with the kids, which isn’t their strength or area).
There is no need to worry, the GAO will cut thru all the crap and get to the truth. Cleaning house today wont fool anyone, they will be interviewing kids and adults alike. They will be looking at the abuse and safety allegations and will try to determine where specifically these problems areas are (i.e wilderness programs, TBS, boot camps, juvy prisons etc.). If kids were put in harm’s way, do to untrained staff or outdated procedures, then they will more than likely recommend regulation which will mandate and define minimum staff requirements and layout procedures.
I don’t think you will see them suggesting that kids get their own cell phones and be able to receive unsecured packages in the mail or try to define “tough loveâ€
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I don’t think you will see them . . . try to define “tough loveâ€
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And workshops with kids shouting "I hate you mom" at the top of their lungs?
What about kids being allowed to supervise Anorexic kids toileting? think they will allow that?
role plays which leave kids in the foetal position crying because they have been reminded that they are a worthless whore?
Parents being told by a stranger that their truth letter was not truthful enough?
SUWS record of 2 deaths?
Afterall your good mate dave marcus was all for all these things.
Oz girl
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And workshops with kids shouting "I hate you mom" at the top of their lungs?
What about kids being allowed to supervise Anorexic kids toileting? think they will allow that?
role plays which leave kids in the foetal position crying because they have been reminded that they are a worthless whore?
Parents being told by a stranger that their truth letter was not truthful enough?
SUWS record of 2 deaths?
Afterall your good mate dave marcus was all for all these things.
Oz girl
I didnt say I didnt think it should be defined... I dont think you will see it as a result of the investigation. The investigation may suggest that "Tough love" be defined and then a panel of shrinks will be assembled and will agree on a working model in a decade or 2.. but I dont see anything immediate. I may be wrong but I see a shake up of the industry coming which will only affect the more abusive (2%) of the industry.
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And workshops with kids shouting "I hate you mom" at the top of their lungs?
What about kids being allowed to supervise Anorexic kids toileting? think they will allow that?
role plays which leave kids in the foetal position crying because they have been reminded that they are a worthless whore?
Parents being told by a stranger that their truth letter was not truthful enough?
SUWS record of 2 deaths?
Afterall your good mate dave marcus was all for all these things.
Oz girl
When you mention that 2 kids died in SUWS or when others mention that a child died in another program I am curious as to what type of message you are trying to send? Is this to bait someone into saying "Oh, 2 kids dying isnt that bad?" Is it to say SUWS is safe because there have been only 2? or is it bad because 2 kids is higher than normal?
There are probably 10 times that many that die in church each year... or consider the number of kids that die in car accidents.. or commit suicide in their homes or abused and killed at school or die of drug overdoses.
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A private secured online Bulletin Board system customized specifically for your program, available 24/7; includes regular monitoring to preserve the integrity of your School's Community...
There are two things that are here to stay: technology and parent's needs. However, due to the unique nature of our industry, it takes much more then technical know-how to make a Bulletin Board work effectively and productively for a program. It's not just about setting a system up. It's about how to make that system work in sync with the goals and vision of the program. How to create unity and teamwork. We know how to make your Bulletin Board Service help communication with your parents, so that it doesn't work against you. It's the combined background of the Core Solutions Team - our experience and dedication to the family healing industry - that marries the two successfully!
...About Core Solutions:
Core Solutions is known for their successful, affordable private and secure online parent bulletin board service, customized for individual programs, Ed Consultant Groups and other professional organizations.
Please visit www.CoreBB.com (http://www.CoreBB.com) to learn more.
I wonder if these people are the ones who are running Elan's BB/"forum" (accessible through Elan's website)?
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And workshops with kids shouting "I hate you mom" at the top of their lungs?
What about kids being allowed to supervise Anorexic kids toileting? think they will allow that?
role plays which leave kids in the foetal position crying because they have been reminded that they are a worthless whore?
Parents being told by a stranger that their truth letter was not truthful enough?
SUWS record of 2 deaths?
Afterall your good mate dave marcus was all for all these things.
Oz girl
When you mention that 2 kids died in SUWS or when others mention that a child died in another program I am curious as to what type of message you are trying to send? Is this to bait someone into saying "Oh, 2 kids dying isnt that bad?" Is it to say SUWS is safe because there have been only 2? or is it bad because 2 kids is higher than normal?
There are probably 10 times that many that die in church each year... or consider the number of kids that die in car accidents.. or commit suicide in their homes or abused and killed at school or die of drug overdoses.
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There has been two known deaths at SUWS. It is not possible to find out how many they have settled out of court.
Gregory Owen Jones - aged 13 - died July 3 - 1985
Rocco Magliozzi - aged 12 - died July 2006
Another program, Aspen Achievement Academy, had a death in april where the staff did not discover a boy trying to hang himself before it was too late. The boy was very depressed and his only crime was that he morned his late brother without being able to progress in life. This death was confirmed in Salt Lake Tribune in relationship with the GAO hearings. Also Aspen Achievement Academy had suffered deaths in the previous years - even rapes and riots.
As for the streets - a lot of adult are loosing their lives every day. Why do we not detain all drivers with license?
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When you mention that 2 kids died in SUWS or when others mention that a child died in another program I am curious as to what type of message you are trying to send? Is this to bait someone into saying "Oh, 2 kids dying isnt that bad?" Is it to say SUWS is safe because there have been only 2? or is it bad because 2 kids is higher than normal?
There are probably 10 times that many that die in church each year... or consider the number of kids that die in car accidents.. or commit suicide in their homes or abused and killed at school or die of drug overdoses.
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Justification and Rationalization....... Tools of the industry..... Pro-Program propaganda.
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As for the streets - a lot of adult are loosing their lives every day. Why do we not detain all drivers with license?
Exactly and kids too. Kids are dying in public schools, on buses, in church, in cars. Where do we start?
You make a valid point.
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Are you actually trying to justify deaths by saying they would have died anyway or it was random:question: :question: :question:
Kids do not spontaneously keel over and die:exclaim: :exclaim:
I'm glad I found this website before I did anything.
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Are you actually trying to justify deaths by saying they would have died anyway or it was random:question: :question: :question:
Kids do not spontaneously keel over and die:exclaim: :exclaim:
I'm glad I found this website before I did anything.
I think the point is “Where do we put our energy and resourcesâ€
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I think we need to focus on all of them and not try to justify any of them as being acceptable, but lets be smart about it and put our countries resources [/color]to good use.
Please define resources...
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Who do you work for :question: :question: :question:
I am APALLED by that ... you have no decency :exclaim:
NO CHILD keels over and dies in public school or anywhere :exclaim: We as a society has NOTHING to do with the discussion ... the question is what are YOU doing to prevent kids from dying ... and the answer is NOTHING :exclaim: :exclaim: :exclaim: or otherwise you would have cared even a little bit.
I am VERY glad I found this site ... I cannot believe the lack of couth and caring you display ... I was going to enroll my son in Wilderness Therapy before someone gave me this link (THANK YOU SEAN TURTLEDOVE) ... but after reading what YOU wrote I definitely will not :exclaim:
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I think we need to focus on all of them and not try to justify any of them as being acceptable, but lets be smart about it and put our countries resources [/color]to good use.
Please define resources...
I see resources as being, better trained people, hiring more people, better teacher child ratios, better child restraints in cars, faster reaction times for EMT's, more training for staff working with kids in wilderness. More EMT training.
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I see resources as being, better trained people, hiring more people, better teacher child ratios, better child restraints in cars, faster reaction times for EMT's, more training for staff working with kids in wilderness. [/color] More EMT training.
And here again we have Pro-Program support..... And why throw all that other stuff in.... Just say what you mean..... Support for the Industry.[/color][/b][/i]
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Wherever someone dies unexpectedly, and where said death could easily have been prevented, one assesses the issue of accountability.
When a kid is enrolled in a wilderness program, and preventable harm and/or even death occurs to this child, one tends to hold -- barring unforeseen "acts of God" -- the operators of said wilderness program accountable.
Obfuscation of that fact, by citing deaths elsewhere that have nothing whatsoever to do with that fact and are hence irrelevant, is simply that: OBFUSCATION. Stick to the issue at hand if you want to argue the point.
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:nworthy: :nworthy:
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I see resources as being, better trained people, hiring more people, better teacher child ratios, better child restraints in cars, faster reaction times for EMT's, more training for staff working with kids in wilderness. More EMT training.
Most of these programs have the resources (the money to hire qualified and trained professionals) they just choose not to do so. They chose to line their pockets with it instead of using it to help the kids. Look at the latest ad for Richey's program, the ad for employment. (It is posted in another thread). It talks about being located in a low income setting. I interpret that to mean, we ain't gonna pay you much to work for us....but then the cost of living isn't much, so come on down. You don't have to have a high school diploma, all that is required is a GED.
Don't ge me wrong, I am not knocking people who have only a GED or who are low income individuals. The point I am trying to make is most of the people who prosper off of this industry have the resources, the tuition is high, they just don't use it for what it should be used for. The industry is profit driven. They are going to cut all costs, to make a "big" buck.
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I see resources as being, better trained people, hiring more people, better teacher child ratios, better child restraints in cars, faster reaction times for EMT's, more training for staff working with kids in wilderness. More EMT training.
Most of these programs have the resources (the money to hire qualified and trained professionals) they just choose not to do so. They chose to line their pockets with it instead of using it to help the kids. Look at the latest ad for Richey's program, the ad for employment. (It is posted in another thread). It talks about being located in a low income setting. I interpret that to mean, we ain't gonna pay you much to work for us....but then the cost of living isn't much, so come on down. You don't have to have a high school diploma, all that is required is a GED.
Don't ge me wrong, I am not knocking people who have only a GED or who are low income individuals. The point I am trying to make is most of the people who prosper off of this industry have the resources, the tuition is high, they just don't use it for what it should be used for. The industry is profit driven. They are going to cut all costs, to make a "big" buck.
Thats why it is a good idea for the parents to visit the schools and get to know who is going to be looking after their child and what training they have.
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WHY ... so you can use HIGH PRESSURE SALES TACTICS PHYSICALLY :question: :question: :question:
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I see resources as being, better trained people, hiring more people, better teacher child ratios, better child restraints in cars, faster reaction times for EMT's, more training for staff working with kids in wilderness. More EMT training.
Most of these programs have the resources (the money to hire qualified and trained professionals) they just choose not to do so. They chose to line their pockets with it instead of using it to help the kids. Look at the latest ad for Richey's program, the ad for employment. (It is posted in another thread). It talks about being located in a low income setting. I interpret that to mean, we ain't gonna pay you much to work for us....but then the cost of living isn't much, so come on down. You don't have to have a high school diploma, all that is required is a GED.
Don't ge me wrong, I am not knocking people who have only a GED or who are low income individuals. The point I am trying to make is most of the people who prosper off of this industry have the resources, the tuition is high, they just don't use it for what it should be used for. The industry is profit driven. They are going to cut all costs, to make a "big" buck.
You'd be surprised at the overhead with the cost of liability insurance. Even with that I suspect they could afford to hire competent licensed staff. But who gives a shit?
No kid should be in a program whether it be good or bad. Due process is shat all over regardless of the quality of the program.
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WHY ... so you can use HIGH PRESSURE SALES TACTICS PHYSICALLY :question: :question: :question:
No, so the parents can get a feel for what type of school it is, talk to some of the staff and students, have lunch with a group if possible. Same as choosing any other school your child would attend. A TBS should be treated no differently, in fact the parents should be more picky because their child will be receiving more services than a normal high school.
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WHY ... so you can use HIGH PRESSURE SALES TACTICS PHYSICALLY :question: :question: :question:
No, so the parents can get a feel for what type of school it is, talk to some of the staff and students, have lunch with a group if possible. Same as choosing any other school your child would attend. A TBS should be treated no differently, in fact the parents should be more picky because their child will be receiving more services than a normal high school.
Come on Who..... Log the hell in because we all know it's you posting this Pro-Program propaganda!!!
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Those suggestions are insufficient.
Parents need to ask very pointed questions.
Ask to see credentials then confirm they are legitimate.
Check with the state licensing agency to confirm that they are licensed and monitored. Ask if any complaints have been filed or if they have been cited for violations of regulations.
Any accidents, physical/sexual assaults, deaths?
Question blanket policies such as severing contact between parent and child for any length of time- totally unnecessary with ethical, evidence-based therapy.
Ask for a copy of the contract, policies, and parent manual. Have them reviewed by an attorney and psychologists.
Talk to parents on Fornits and other sites about their actual experience.
Talk to survivors about the same.
Research Synanon, est/Lifespring, CEDU method and determine if you are willing to allow your child to be exposed to 'experimental' treatment.
Do not take what's stated on the website or what they tell you at face value. For your child's sake, one must do due diligence.
That's for starters.
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When you mention that 2 kids died in SUWS or when others mention that a child died in another program I am curious as to what type of message you are trying to send? Is this to bait someone into saying "Oh, 2 kids dying isnt that bad?" Is it to say SUWS is safe because there have been only 2? or is it bad because 2 kids is higher than normal?
There are probably 10 times that many that die in church each year... or consider the number of kids that die in car accidents.. or commit suicide in their homes or abused and killed at school or die of drug overdoses.
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I dont know what faith it is that the who practices but if i were the priest of a church that was directly responsible for the death of 2 parishoners i would not be using the argument that more die in car accidents. But the original point i was making which you have illustrated with clarity is that even those wno argue in favour of this industry often dont deny the things that normal citizens find alarming. Their view is just so warped that they see noting abnormal about it. So Natsap should be encouraged to have parents talk about the lifesaving incarceration of their kids. Let them describe in detail as well the "workshops" that "heal" their kids. Even if congress dont do much hopefully american parents will get a detailed understanding of what goes on and will see it is not a normal boarding school like environment with therapy
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Who do you work for :question: :question: :question:
I am APALLED by that ... you have no decency :exclaim:
NO CHILD keels over and dies in public school or anywhere :exclaim: We as a society has NOTHING to do with the discussion ... the question is what are YOU doing to prevent kids from dying ... and the answer is NOTHING :exclaim: :exclaim: :exclaim: or otherwise you would have cared even a little bit.
I am VERY glad I found this site ... I cannot believe the lack of couth and caring you display ... I was going to enroll my son in Wilderness Therapy before someone gave me this link (THANK YOU SEAN TURTLEDOVE) ... but after reading what YOU wrote I definitely will not :exclaim:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
(http://http)
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When you mention that 2 kids died in SUWS or when others mention that a child died in another program I am curious as to what type of message you are trying to send? Is this to bait someone into saying "Oh, 2 kids dying isnt that bad?" Is it to say SUWS is safe because there have been only 2? or is it bad because 2 kids is higher than normal?
There are probably 10 times that many that die in church each year... or consider the number of kids that die in car accidents.. or commit suicide in their homes or abused and killed at school or die of drug overdoses.
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I dont know what faith it is that the who practices but if i were the priest of a church that was directly responsible for the death of 2 parishoners i would not be using the argument that more die in car accidents. But the original point i was making which you have illustrated with clarity is that even those wno argue in favour of this industry often dont deny the things that normal citizens find alarming. Their view is just so warped that they see noting abnormal about it. So Natsap should be encouraged to have parents talk about the lifesaving incarceration of their kids. Let them describe in detail as well the "workshops" that "heal" their kids. Even if congress dont do much hopefully american parents will get a detailed understanding of what goes on and will see it is not a normal boarding school like environment with therapy
OzGirl, I agree 100%, the priest should be but on trial if he was responsible, but my point is that we shouldnt stop going to church because of that or maybe go to a different church. We shouldnt take the position that all churchs should be closed down.
Also agree that NATSAP should talk about the length of time their child would be away for and the expected participation of the family... all schools should be preparing the family and child for their stay and as you mentioned they would see that TBS's are not your normal boarding schools.
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Those suggestions are insufficient.
Parents need to ask very pointed questions.
Thanks for pointing that out. Yes, I was going to say, parents should find out more before deciding to trust a program to provide therapy for their kids. There's a pretty thorough list of questions like these to ask listed at the end of "Help at Any Cost."
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Wherever someone dies unexpectedly, and where said death could easily have been prevented, one assesses the issue of accountability.
When a kid is enrolled in a wilderness program, and preventable harm and/or even death occurs to this child, one tends to hold -- barring unforeseen "acts of God" -- the operators of said wilderness program accountable.
Obfuscation of that fact, by citing deaths elsewhere that have nothing whatsoever to do with that fact and are hence irrelevant, is simply that: OBFUSCATION. Stick to the issue at hand if you want to argue the point.
Absolutely, just as I said to OzGirl, I dont think mentioning that kids are dying elsewhere is justification for any child dying.
I think each case should be:
investigated and
root cause determined and
corrective action taken (ever time, no exceptions).
But it doesnt make sense to close every school down or every church down, take every car off the streets because of a few bad apples. These deaths havent proved to be systemic.
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I think each case should be:
investigated and
root cause determined and
corrective action taken (ever time, no exceptions).
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
The Programs' Death Warrant
Signed, TheWho
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Those suggestions are insufficient.
Parents need to ask very pointed questions.
Ask to see credentials then confirm they are legitimate.
Check with the state licensing agency to confirm that they are licensed and monitored. Ask if any complaints have been filed or if they have been cited for violations of regulations.
Any accidents, physical/sexual assaults, deaths?
Question blanket policies such as severing contact between parent and child for any length of time- totally unnecessary with ethical, evidence-based therapy.
Ask for a copy of the contract, policies, and parent manual. Have them reviewed by an attorney and psychologists.
Talk to parents on Fornits and other sites about their actual experience.
Talk to survivors about the same.
Research Synanon, est/Lifespring, CEDU method and determine if you are willing to allow your child to be exposed to 'experimental' treatment.
Do not take what's stated on the website or what they tell you at face value. For your child's sake, one must do due diligence.
That's for starters.
Well I think they were insufficient but a good first step on “The right pathâ€
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I think each case should be:
investigated and
root cause determined and
corrective action taken (ever time, no exceptions).
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
The Programs' Death Warrant
Signed, TheWho
What the....
What the hell.... ? ::huh::
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(I'll assume you're an actual anon instead of TheWho trying to pose as someone else.. again)
If government agencies did what he suggested- seriously investigated every credible report of abuse and every death, and assigned consequences accordingly- 9/10ths of the programs (he and the industry like to call his particular flavor of shitpit therapeutic boarding schools, but they are neither therapeutic nor truly schools) in existence would be put out of existence.
If parents followed the advice he posted regarding investigation and due diligence, there's no way this side of Hell they'd send their kids.
He's a programmie yet his own advice pretty much destroys the whole business.
THAT'S why it's funny. ::roflmao::
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(I'll assume you're an actual anon instead of TheWho trying to pose as someone else.. again)
If government agencies did what he suggested- seriously investigated every credible report of abuse and every death, and assigned consequences accordingly- 9/10ths of the programs (he and the industry like to call his particular flavor of shitpit therapeutic boarding schools, but they are neither therapeutic nor truly schools) in existence would be put out of existence.
If parents followed the advice he posted regarding investigation and due diligence, there's no way this side of Hell they'd send their kids.
He's a programmie yet his own advice pretty much destroys the whole business.
THAT'S why it's funny. ::roflmao::
As far as we know they are doing that now... I guess we will all find out in Feb 2008.
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I see resources as being, better trained people, hiring more people, better teacher child ratios, better child restraints in cars, faster reaction times for EMT's, more training for staff working with kids in wilderness. More EMT training.
Most of these programs have the resources (the money to hire qualified and trained professionals) they just choose not to do so. They chose to line their pockets with it instead of using it to help the kids. Look at the latest ad for Richey's program, the ad for employment. (It is posted in another thread). It talks about being located in a low income setting. I interpret that to mean, we ain't gonna pay you much to work for us....but then the cost of living isn't much, so come on down. You don't have to have a high school diploma, all that is required is a GED.
Don't ge me wrong, I am not knocking people who have only a GED or who are low income individuals. The point I am trying to make is most of the people who prosper off of this industry have the resources, the tuition is high, they just don't use it for what it should be used for. The industry is profit driven. They are going to cut all costs, to make a "big" buck.
Thats why it is a good idea for the parents to visit the schools and get to know who is going to be looking after their child and what training they have.
Why do they need to come down? If they want to know the training of the staff that info can be giben over the phone. The problem is that these cult/child torturers LIE about the qualifications of staff. Or give misleading information ie. have a "therepist" without a doctorate that the kid only sees rarely. The only adult that has regular cotnact with the kids is the "house parent" or whatever name they give the person who essentially acts as the guard, labor overseer
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this is the part that scares me:
The follow-up Congressional Hearing is scheduled for February 2008. As an industry, we must prepare. There has never been a more critical time to further empower and rally the support of your families. Their voices need to be heard and their stories told. They are your strength, your strongest ally and are the evidence of your true and honest intent.
Translation:
The follow-up Congressional Hearing is scheduled for February 2008. As an industry, we must prepare. There has never been a more critical time to further deceive and solicit PR material from your families. They need to be bribed into telling only positive stories. With a month or two of free tuition in their pockets, they can become your strongest ally and can hide the evidence of your true profit-oriented intent and your questionable 'therapies.'
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I see resources as being, better trained people, hiring more people, better teacher child ratios, better child restraints in cars, faster reaction times for EMT's, more training for staff working with kids in wilderness. More EMT training.
Most of these programs have the resources (the money to hire qualified and trained professionals) they just choose not to do so. They chose to line their pockets with it instead of using it to help the kids. Look at the latest ad for Richey's program, the ad for employment. (It is posted in another thread). It talks about being located in a low income setting. I interpret that to mean, we ain't gonna pay you much to work for us....but then the cost of living isn't much, so come on down. You don't have to have a high school diploma, all that is required is a GED.
Don't ge me wrong, I am not knocking people who have only a GED or who are low income individuals. The point I am trying to make is most of the people who prosper off of this industry have the resources, the tuition is high, they just don't use it for what it should be used for. The industry is profit driven. They are going to cut all costs, to make a "big" buck.
Thats why it is a good idea for the parents to visit the schools and get to know who is going to be looking after their child and what training they have.
Why do they need to come down? If they want to know the training of the staff that info can be giben over the phone. The problem is that these cult/child torturers LIE about the qualifications of staff. Or give misleading information ie. have a "therepist" without a doctorate that the kid only sees rarely. The only adult that has regular cotnact with the kids is the "house parent" or whatever name they give the person who essentially acts as the guard, labor overseer
That is an extremely strange response... it is obvious you have no clue about the TBS industry. This is a prime example of someone reading about some hell hole somewhere 30 years ago and then trying to relate his experiences to boarding schools.
None of the information you provided above relates to any school that I have ever seen or read about, with house parents and therapists without degrees......This is also a prime example of why you dont want to count on what you hear on these forums or web sites (my self included)....
and all the more reason to visit the schools and talk to kids at random (as I did) and have lunch with them. Speak to parents who had been thru the program...speak to staff, ask about training and backgounds. I agree they are not all the same that is why everyone needs to do their homework.
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I see resources as being, better trained people, hiring more people, better teacher child ratios, better child restraints in cars, faster reaction times for EMT's, more training for staff working with kids in wilderness. More EMT training.
Most of these programs have the resources (the money to hire qualified and trained professionals) they just choose not to do so. They chose to line their pockets with it instead of using it to help the kids. Look at the latest ad for Richey's program, the ad for employment. (It is posted in another thread). It talks about being located in a low income setting. I interpret that to mean, we ain't gonna pay you much to work for us....but then the cost of living isn't much, so come on down. You don't have to have a high school diploma, all that is required is a GED.
Don't ge me wrong, I am not knocking people who have only a GED or who are low income individuals. The point I am trying to make is most of the people who prosper off of this industry have the resources, the tuition is high, they just don't use it for what it should be used for. The industry is profit driven. They are going to cut all costs, to make a "big" buck.
Thats why it is a good idea for the parents to visit the schools and get to know who is going to be looking after their child and what training they have.
Why do they need to come down? If they want to know the training of the staff that info can be giben over the phone. The problem is that these cult/child torturers LIE about the qualifications of staff. Or give misleading information ie. have a "therepist" without a doctorate that the kid only sees rarely. The only adult that has regular cotnact with the kids is the "house parent" or whatever name they give the person who essentially acts as the guard, labor overseer
That is an extremely strange response... it is obvious you have no clue about the TBS industry. This is a prime example of someone reading about some hell hole somewhere 30 years ago and then trying to relate his experiences to boarding schools.
None of the information you provided above relates to any school that I have ever seen or read about, with house parents and therapists without degrees......This is also a prime example of why you dont want to count on what you hear on these forums or web sites (my self included)....
and all the more reason to visit the schools and talk to kids at random (as I did) and have lunch with them. Speak to parents who had been thru the program...speak to staff, ask about training and backgounds. I agree they are not all the same that is why everyone needs to do their homework.
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