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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Seed Discussion Forum => Topic started by: none-ya on May 19, 2010, 03:08:56 PM
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Sorry stack, but it seems as if the seed has been all but forgotten on this site. People our age have becone a bunch of old farts, and what could we possibly know.
DO NOT FORGET!
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Sorry stack, but it seems as if the seed has been all but forgotten on this site. People our age have becone a bunch of old farts, and what could we possibly know.
DO NOT FORGET!
Nah, the drama just comes and goes in waves ... sloshing back and forth in the ol' fornits slop bucket... :D
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All sounds really depressing;
and so dramatic;
probably could have been out in 4-6 weeks if you just shut up and went along for a few days during the first week.
Sometimes it is best to get the lay of the land before charging ahead like the Light Brigade.
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I jumped through every hoop they put in front of me.(after my 3rd day that is ,when I tried to run from my oldcommers house and was chased down and dragged back) I stayed on my 10 to 10's for 4 1/2 months eventually living at home.
They were not going to let me go back to school or work. So I just split one night with the help of some friends. I didn't
come to fornits to bitch and moan about what they did to me. Instead I was looking to find some people I used to know.
You know some other 50-somthings. (seed st. pete 1973) No drama.
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I'm the same, came to see who might be around from my days ('78 - 83 cleveland to Ft. Lauderdale sr84)
I think most of the folks I knew have moved on, all of the conversations have been buried by the trolls.
The site was cathartic when I originally found it, keep hoping we can return to that - can't go back but I can hope.
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Man, you were there from 78-83? 5 years, why? Don't tell me you drank the koolaid and liked it.
Sure, everybody had a different way of dealing with captivity. But to stay for 5 years, had you nowhere else to go?
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My story? Not much of a story really. Got into some bullshit trouble at 17. (not drug related) But a public defender approched my parents and the court with the idea of the seed. He said all I had to do was complete the program and they would withhold judication.(no record). As I remember, if your parents signed you in,it was 2 weeks on 10-10
and then it was 90 days at home. For us court ordered kids , the program was twice as long. On my 3rd day I tried to split when we got out my oldcommer's parents car.
They (including 2 other new commers) chased me through thier neighborhood about 4 or 5 blocks when I twisted my ankle and they caught me and dragged me back.
So I tried the program. I repeated the party line just like everybody did, knowing that when I get home things will be much better.I would spend my days daydreaming about food. We never got enough to eat or drink. It was actually worse than the county jail. After about 6 weeks,I finally got to stand up in an open meeting and tell my patents
I.M COMMIN' HOME!!!, and every body told me they loved me.(lying sons of bitches!)So I stayed at home for the next 3 months or so. Never getting to go back to school or work. Just the goddamn 10-10's. One day when I came home my parents asked me somthing strange. They wanted to know if the seed ever asked me about money. Seems
the seed had been calling them begging for donations. Remember I was court ordered and the state was paying them. Nevermind the fact that they had already donated about
1000 sandwiches. I had enough. I called some friends that I had been in touch with since I came home, and I split for good.About 6 months later I was walking down the street
hassled by the cops ran my name and found a warrant for violation of a court order and sentanced to 10 days in jail. 10 FUCKING DAYS? THAT'S IT? after all I've already been through, bring it on! Which brings here a million years later.I googled the seed to see if I could find anybody I knew, and I found fornits by way of Marc Polonsky. And even he seems to have disappeared. I read a lot of the posts here, and every once in a while chime in my 2 cents. Like I said "not much of a story" And I think I've gone over my 2 cent limit.
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My experience with methedone came much later than than the seed. I've sat up all night a friend who was trying to kick.
I used to take him to the methadone clinic to get his fix. that shit kept him in check for a little while, but he finally did it on his own. As far as getting "works" it's easy and cheap.Ask any diabetic. The methadone clinic never gave out needles,. that's completely ridiculous
P S That wasn't even on this thread
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None ya.. Interesting about the money, court order, warrant, Etc. i think that's the thread that will unravel the shroud. I've got a similiar story, but it's hard to find corroboration. Remember "maximum" morphonius?
P.S. Stack is just a wasteland, wild fantasy doesn't help. I'm interested, and I'm listening. J.O.M.
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My story? Not much of a story really. Got into some bullshit trouble at 17. (not drug related) But a public defender approched my parents and the court with the idea of the seed. He said all I had to do was complete the program and they would withhold judication.(no record). As I remember, if your parents signed you in,it was 2 weeks on 10-10
and then it was 90 days at home. For us court ordered kids , the program was twice as long. On my 3rd day I tried to split when we got out my oldcommer's parents car.
They (including 2 other new commers) chased me through thier neighborhood about 4 or 5 blocks when I twisted my ankle and they caught me and dragged me back.
So I tried the program. I repeated the party line just like everybody did, knowing that when I get home things will be much better.I would spend my days daydreaming about food. We never got enough to eat or drink. It was actually worse than the county jail. After about 6 weeks,I finally got to stand up in an open meeting and tell my patents
I.M COMMIN' HOME!!!, and every body told me they loved me.(lying sons of bitches!)So I stayed at home for the next 3 months or so. Never getting to go back to school or work. Just the goddamn 10-10's. One day when I came home my parents asked me somthing strange. They wanted to know if the seed ever asked me about money. Seems
the seed had been calling them begging for donations. Remember I was court ordered and the state was paying them. Nevermind the fact that they had already donated about
1000 sandwiches. I had enough. I called some friends that I had been in touch with since I came home, and I split for good.About 6 months later I was walking down the street
hassled by the cops ran my name and found a warrant for violation of a court order and sentanced to 10 days in jail. 10 FUCKING DAYS? THAT'S IT? after all I've already been through, bring it on! Which brings here a million years later.I googled the seed to see if I could find anybody I knew, and I found fornits by way of Marc Polonsky. And even he seems to have disappeared. I read a lot of the posts here, and every once in a while chime in my 2 cents. Like I said "not much of a story" And I think I've gone over my 2 cent limit.
Danny wrote:
So out of this story you come up with calling me a idiot. Riiiiiigghhhtttttt. Ok so how does any of this story qualify you to open your trap about methadone, OH it doesn't......lol. Because you didn't even understand what I was talking about Nonie.
Danny
Speaking of minding one's own business.....why did you threadjack this? No one was talking to or about you.
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Speaking of minding one's own business.....why did you threadjack this? No one was talking to or about you.
That is exactly why.
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Speaking of minding one's own business.....why did you threadjack this? No one was talking to or about you.
That is exactly why.
Mmm... It seems to have started over here (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30573&start=15#p364481), and then spilled into this thread...
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Actually they made me do the whole 10 days. (boo hoo). About Danny B, you don't know who he is ? That was on another thread, where he spoke of methadone clinics giving out clean works to junkies. Why he posted here on the seed thread I don't know.He gets off playing devil's advocate.No big deal. I want to know more about Johnny G'S deal. 5 eears in the seed?
He must have been staff by then . Right? Even the court ordered kids usually did 8-10 and were out. Were you there as an adult?
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Stick stack.
Apparently you live in an entirely emotional world. It don't help. if what you believe ain;t true, if what you feel ain't right, believe me, pal, it don't help.
find a way, Go walking, Go Hunting, go Fishing or Swimming, take a boat out,, Hook a shark, kill a gator, Drink til you're drunk Farm, and see stuff grow, wonder at the birds and critters, why they do what they do Chase women, a lot of them like it, go drive a hundred miles an hour ( on back-road) There's shooting or arrows or any damned thing. Just find a way. I do most of the above, don't chase women too much anymore, i found it too expensive, though I wouldn't take any of it back.
J.O.M. ::unhappy:: this round's fer you
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Danny shoots METH?
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Actually, if you'tr drivin 100, 105 or better, better not shoot anything, better keep your boots on the board, hand on the wheel.If you're gonna shoot, walk to do it. Connie will walk half a day or more just to get range, and you'll never see ,hear, or smell him. He's real good. He taught me a lot. He can hit with a .45 from hundred yards, no kidding. He's match level. In survival school,Connie gained weight.He can take a buck any time he wants.
So can I.thanks to Connie.
J.O.M.
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Yes children were beaten bloody, noses were broken, ribs were fractured and one young lady had her jaw broken.
Don't forget about Phil Williams (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=21974&p=266175#p266175), who died of a brain aneurysm shortly afterward.
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Yes children were beaten bloody, noses were broken, ribs were fractured and one young lady had her jaw broken.
Don't forget about Phil Williams (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=21974&p=266175#p266175), who died of a brain aneurysm shortly afterward.
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Ursus have we documented this incident as best we can. Do we have actual Elan folks that were there (time/date of incident) commenting here (fornits) or is it heresay. I can not quote something that is heresay it is just a principle of mine. I must talk with the actual people who witnessed.
Danny
Danny Bennison more lies You had plenty to say about Phil Williams on Facebook.
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=2 ... opic=13187 (http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=2234330403&topic=13187)
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Dear fellow ELAN suvivors ,
ANY witnesses to PHIL WILLIAMS death should talk with the police or the F.B.I. . If there are any witnesses I implore you as a decent human being to please contact the appropriate authorities. Talking about it amongst people that were never there is not going to do anything about it .
If you tell some else other than the authorities you will have to speak with them anyway , they need to hear it first hand and not thru hearsay or second hand imformation.
This has been pointed out to people on the facebook site concerning this very incident.
It is important if you have firsthand knowledge about this incident that you PLEASE go to the proper authorities with your imformation.
WE are NOT able to deal with this .
We ARE not the proper authorities that you should be revealing this imformation to. WE cannot do an investigation ,second hand imformation is useless in a criminal type investigation that this incident justly warrants .
The people on this board are not investigators , if you have imformation please contact the proper authorities and PLEASE speak with them about this. WE cannot do an investigation . It is very important that you tell the proper authorities of the incident. They will have questions for you and simply tell them what you know .
PHIL WILLIAMS was a human being and deserves to have the truth be told by people who have the firsthand imformation and the only way PHIL will be resting in peace is if the folks that know the truth about this possible very sad and telling incident (about ELAN ) is if they take what they know to the proper authorities.
AND THAT IS NOT THIS BOARD OR THE PEOPLE THAT POST ON THIS BOARD , and it doesn't matter if some one on this board is a brother to Obama ,it still has to come from your lips to the proper authorities ears ,meaning the police and or the F. B. I. Do not give this imformation to anyone else , then it becomes gossip and or hearsay, and is useless.
Please for one of the many , many people that in my opinion that have died for just having come in contact with ricci , his henchmen and the program that they ran ,that hellhole called ELAN.
If you have imformation regarding PHIL WILLIAMS death please contact the proper authorities , it is not us and I can not stress this enough.
This has been posted on facebook and it is now posted here .
I thank you in advance for your cooperation in this matter .
MATT C. HOFFMAN
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by Johnny G ยป 20 May 2010, 20:36
I'm the same, came to see who might be around from my days ('78 - 83 cleveland to Ft. Lauderdale sr84)
I'd really like to know how you stayed in the seed for 5 years.Even the court ordered kids could make oldtimer after 6 months. Were you staff, or did you get started over 100 times. How old were you when you left? Did you leave on you own or did the seed close down? 5years.DAMN!
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How do you stay for 5 years?
First you drink the Kool-Aid, this is possible if you actually feel like you fucked your life up before you arrive (I did);
If you feel like you are doing OK when you show up, then this is impossible - either you aquiece or get driven into submission.
At the outset I thought that the folks doing my intake had it together more than I did and they had 5 years in so I decided I could go that long.
Then you start to see the contradictions, the holes, the exceptions, learn the (real) rules, find the boundaries, see where people are really at, who the players are, who is serious and who isn't;
Once you know the lay of the land, it is pretty easy, also cheap;
It becomes a game - how far can you push things before you have to bail out (about 5 years it seems)
I achieved my goals, and learned a lot (maybe not what was on the curriculum, but I learned)
Once you step outside, and become more of an observer, you get a pretty good insight into the how cults, societies, churches, and governments maintain control.
I agree with Antigen, they thought they were doing good.
Their egos got in the way.
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Dude you must have been staff!
Why don't you tell us why we sing jingle bells?
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Nope
Anyone who knew me then would tell you how ridiculous that sounds;
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You didn't answer my question.
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I cannot even suggest I fully understand the trauma you experienced but I actually felt the pain in the words spoken here. Things like this do touch others. This is why you just got to speak out once in awhile. It matters.
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WTF?!!!
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Johnny G,
Come on man. Why such vague and ambigious answers? You still haven't told us how you spent 5 years in a program designed to keep you for a year or less. Of the 5 people I knew that finished,(and a few that didn't),only 1 stayed for more than a year, and he was jr. staff (door watcher and bathroom monitor). It took 5 years to realize those people were full of shit? Oh that's right .You never said that either. And you still havn't told us why we sing JINGLE BELLS!
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You were in there when?
WHere was it?
I suggest that my experience of the program was considerably differet than yours as the environment was completely different;
Jr staff watching the door? in my time people on 3 nites did that, there were no bathroom monitors, 2 guys sat by the gate, again, 3 nites or recent graduates - we played with the ant lions;
most people took a year on the program;
There were plenty of people who had been around for quite a bit longer than I had and many who arrived at around the same time I did and stayed well after I left -and a few who had been around for tropical park, blimp hangar, St. pete
The seed was in decline, only SR 84 remained - group was 100 or less (usually a lot less)
There was a lot of emphasis on getting people to stick around;
The group went to Dania beach every weekend and played football (there are several other threads dealing with that)
I didn't play well with others so I watched the house - which was a pretty good deal.
it was 10 to 6
Sr staff was Libby and a few others
Staff were only a couple people
I think I may have seen one or 2 people referred to as jr staff
I spent my time in the truckers shed, or fixing stuff around the building, at barkers house, fixing cars, his boat etc.
Didn't spend a whole lot of time in the group after year 1. was never thought of or referred to as staff;
Lived in a house with 10 people, like I said, cheap!
Fairly institutional, with no newcomers, things were pretty open, got pretty good at chess, had a decent job, constant sense that it could all go away at any moment;
you seem to have a fixation with winter songs - perhaps someone can help you out with that - it is summer where I am;
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Somebody please help out Johnny G.
Every seedling should know,
WHY DO WE SING GODDAMN JINGLE BELLS?
Stack kkknows
Maybe Antigen
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None-ya,
We do not sing jingle bells.
You may sing it for any reason you want, or for no reason at all, I choose not to;
G
BTW - you seem pretty high strung for such a laid back avatar,
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Maybe some of these customs were but temporal (http://http://pbre.info/carolineadean/Christmas%20on%20VOODOOLPPTP%20%28Voodoolptp%29/Bing%20Crosby%20-%20Jingle%20Bells.mp3). Ya know, an ongoing evolution of "Barkerisms." :D
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Danny B wrote
Hey!!!!!!!!!!!! Helllllllllloooooooooooo he did not have your
experience.....duhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I know you think you know every thing about every program in the world, But we do know you were never in the seed. And I can't belive even you don't know the answer to my musical question.
GregFL, please come back!
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The SR 84 location was bulldozed (quite a while ago) for 575 - after a lot of bluster about how it would never happen;
I understand they ended up someplace on Broward Blvd. prior to the final demise.
Yes I remember the Jingle bells stuff, Hokey pokey, greensleeves, etc. but not the other one you mentioned (john jacob jinglheimer schmidt);
Barker and the seed in general tried to remain pretty low profile in my day - the media was feared.
All of the licence plates, t-shirts, and any other promotional stuff went away during my first year or so;
Whenever there was any kind of story, they/we went into a high alert - all of the Jim Jones paralells (and denials thereof) would come out.
In house he was still worshipped and it was still under stood that he had mystical abilities bla bla bla
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Johnny G wrote;
Yes I remember the Jingle bells stuff, Hokey pokey, greensleeves, etc. but not the other one you mentioned (john jacob jinglheimer schmidt);
Funny you didn't seem to remember any of that stuff until other people mentioned them first.
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