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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Rape, Sodomy, Witness Tampering at Alpine Academy
« on: May 18, 2009, 12:11:53 AM »
Quote from: "Guest"
My point is that if a guard has sex with one the captives at Auschwitz, the problem with Auschwitz isn't that the guards are fucking the prisoners, and the authorities focusing on this is irrelevat to stopping the most important assualts. Do you see what I am saying?
The most important assaults?  I can’t fathom what considerations are examined in the mind of someone who would make such calculations.

Quote from: "Guest"
Also, if having sex with your captor gets you tortured less and freedom quicker, it’s a deal worth making, sadly.
I disagree, such abuse is just more of the torture and freedom is as subjective as suffering. Anyone put in the position of having to make such a “deal” (as you put it), is bound to carry some of that harm within them ...even beyond their physical confinement.

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Daytop Village / Re: DAYTOP Did Me Great Harm in the Long Run
« on: May 17, 2009, 11:18:33 PM »
Was there a girl named Rhiannon there when you were at Daytop, Richardson ?

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Daytop Village / Re: DAYTOP Did Me Great Harm in the Long Run
« on: May 17, 2009, 10:36:56 PM »
Quote from: "SEKTO"
 Maybe fornits can be a part of your healing process too.
We'll see. LAUGHS. My last post (just moments ago) was to some idiot who considered the statuatory rape of a girl in TC. to be "the least of problems".

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Rape, Sodomy, Witness Tampering at Alpine Academy
« on: May 17, 2009, 10:33:19 PM »
Quote from: "Guest"
Sorry, once you are imprisoned in one of these instutions having consesual sex with its employees of it is the least of your probelms
With all due respect that statement is fucked.  A child’s compliance with the sexual abuse of an adult is not consent. A prisoner submitting to the influence (intrusive overtures) of a captor is not engaging in a consensual relationship.

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Daytop Village / Re: Is there any relationship between Synanon and Daytop ??
« on: May 17, 2009, 10:13:18 PM »
The Origins of the Drug-Free Therapeutic Community
Frederick B. Glaser, M.D., F.R.C.P.(C) 1
 1 Addiction Research Foundation, 33 Russell Street, Toronto, Ontario, Canada M5S 2S1
ABSTRACT
In this paper an attempt is made to trace the origins of the drug-free therapeutic community. Virtually all such programmes in North America may be traced to Synanon, which in turn may readily be traced back through Alcoholics Anonymous to the so-called Oxford Group. At this point the line of evolution becomes less evident. But an examination of various aspects of the background and career of Dr. Frank Buchman, founder of the Oxford Group, suggests a strong link with the Protestant Reformation and, through it, with the forms and practices of primitive Christianity as embodied in the Dead Sea Scrolls. It is suggested that the present-day therapeutic community is only the most recent reincarnation of a particular type of religious organization which dates from at least the Intertestamentary Period. http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/jour ... 1&SRETRY=0


(In search of an essential TC)”…traces a conceptual and organizational lineage of the modern TC programs beginning with the Oxford Group circa 1921,(Also named the Buchmanites or Moral Rearmament MRA,the final name to AA )  Synanon circa 1958 and Daytop Village circa 1963.
In the period of 1964-1971 TC programs were rapidly spawned directly and indirectly from Synanon and Daytop Village (including: Gatewood house, Gaudenzia, Marathon House, Odyssey House, Phoenix House, Samaritan and Walden House.

http://books.google.com/books?id=q7zlo_ ... &resnum=10

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Daytop Village / Re: DAYTOP Did Me Great Harm in the Long Run
« on: May 17, 2009, 09:11:20 PM »
Quote from: "SEKTO"
If the back room was used for "school" then where'd you guys have Morning Meeting back then?
Morning meeting was upstairs in the dining room at first. Somehow we migrated down to the courts, later on.

Quote from: "SEKTO"
We used to smoke indoors, in the coordinators' office, all the time.  That office was the designated indoor smoking area.  Mike Gorman and Marcy would smoke all over the building though.  Mike'd carry an ashtray around in his hand.  Then, after a while, the State of TX got wise to what we were doing and made everybody smoke outside.  Then we had to go out by the pool.
Yes, smoking was allowed in the Daycare (even for those not old enough to legally buy them). It was only in residential in NY that they were provided to us. I even remember that we could choose from 3 or 4 options.

Quote from: "SEKTO"
I used to bum smokes off of Ruben and some of the other staff, though of course I was eighteen at the time.  Some of the staff even used to send me on cigarette runs; they'd give me money and I'd go to the gas station down the street to buy packs for them while they were on duty.  I'd get to go for a walk and would get some free smokes for my trouble.  I was a model, true-believing DAYTOPian at the time too, and they knew I would not split.  
I'm surprised anyone was allowed to go the store. That was revoked from us when one of the boys tried to pass some pretty good but not quite good enough counterfeit 20's around the area.

Quote from: "SEKTO"
Personally, I know nothing of any kids being given cigarettes when they were sent to NY;  I never heard anything like that.  The only kids I recall that went to NY were John Hopkins and a girl named Renee Haynes.  I am not sure where Jeremiah Neal went through residential, but I thought that it was Athens?
I think if Jeremiah did any residential time it would have been in Athens, and then only as part of the transformation to his counselor incarnation. He was their heir apparrent from day one.

Quote from: "SEKTO"
Who or what is Medea?  Are you saying that you were literally sedated?  I do not understand.
Medea  (mother.)Yes and no sense trying to understand .
Quote from: "SEKTO"
My only input about what you have supressed is this: if you do not deal with the trauma, then eventually the trauma will deal with you.  You are in legitimate therapy now, is that right?  It sounds like you are on your way towards healing and resolution.  
…legitimate remains to be seen. (See Inculcated prev. post re: trust issues)

Quote from: "SEKTO"
So I do not blame you for resenting and being angry over your experience.  What DAYTOP did to us is shameful.  It's taken me fifteen years to realize that DAYTOP is an abusive pseudotherapy group.  In my opinion DAYTOP is a full-blown cult; I call it a "sobriety cult."
Gaudenzia, ugh.

Quote from: "SEKTO"
DAYTOP was certainly detrimental to my well-being, and did me great harm in the long run.
When that insight woke in you, when you were able to form the words of it, and then convey them here / to others…each of these has been a step of you returning from that long run and gaining ground on the destination of your choosing.

Quote from: "SEKTO"
PM me whenever you care too.  I know a few ex-DAYTOPians from back in the day and could put you in touch with some people whom you may remember.  Do not hesitate to let me know if I can help you in any way.
THX.

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Daytop Village / Re: DAYTOP Did Me Great Harm in the Long Run
« on: May 16, 2009, 12:07:54 AM »
The “family” was small when the Richardson location first opened. The area by the pool was being used for what passed for school (or atleast the time) while I was there. It was at that location where I strove to buy in to what they were hard selling. I was for a time, a model member. My fall from grace happened in such a way that if Athens was open, it was too close to for their comfort (as in not far enough away for them to send me).  I’m supposing you arrived while I was upstate or shortly thereafter.
    I never went to the dresser building. Strangely, I don’t remember anyone other than Jeremiah N. really graduating.
 
    Do any of those you know who were also sent up for residential in New York recall that we were given packs of cigarettes along with sundry items etc.?
I don’t know if that was even legal or even why they chose to accommodate teen smoking.
Why did they allow adults from Swan Lake to collect me from the airport? I was sedated for the trip by a dose of Medea’s “Sit in the chair and be good now”. They hand checked my belongings on the way. When I was in intake and watching my belongings picked over again, I realized the transit search had been just daytopians looking for some of “what she’s having”. Then another birthday and then another facility. I was pretty vocal in my objections to the first of the strip searches. By the third, I knew it was a waste of breath. Ultimately, it was my becoming a persistent suicide risk that sent me free…well back to Texas anyway.

I dare to say that I wished everything suppressed in me at any point would just stay down.Though,I know that’s not possible, nor even healthy.

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Re: Straight INC. Movie on youtube.com
« on: May 12, 2009, 02:06:45 PM »
Quote from: "Guest"
o my god..was not my kid an indoctrination film for straight?
does anyone know? The similarities...God, how does anyone, no matter how STUPID and uneducated think forced confessions to a group about your abortions and drug use is GOOD. Get a hold of  the hardened 17 year old interrogator character prompting the confessions. Christ

What happened to the Semblers kid? Anyone know?
Damn that clip really was erie.

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Daytop Village / Re: Daytop doesn't deserve to exist
« on: May 11, 2009, 10:13:58 PM »
They’re a prep school now? PREPARATION FOR WHAT? One might hope that at least this location is accredited. Of their four locations that Daytop shuffled me through, all but Millbrook made swiss cheese of my transcripts.
http://www.bio-medicine.org/medicine-ne ... k-18370-1/
• GED stands for general education diploma. Daytop encourages residents to attend GED schools for the following purpose:

1. to provide residents, who are usually school drop out an opportunity to receive general school education and to attain the basic diploma, if possible, for further educational or vocational studies and developments.

2. to help the residents to attain sense of achievement by attaining the GED diploma.  :agree:
   • Resident who stay in treatment for more than 80 days will be arranged to take the pre-test to assess their listening and reading standards. After the assessment, they will be grouped into different subject classes like maths, writing and reading, science, social studies, etc. that they will be given tutorials, lectures and assignments according to their standards.
For those who have higher capability and motivation of learning, teachers will focus on helping them to prepare the GED test.

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Open Free for All / Re: this thread is a joke
« on: May 10, 2009, 03:47:31 PM »
Quote from: "try another castle"
Quote from: "Rainy, not logged in"
Quote from: "Froderik"
Sheesh, yet another stupid fornits thread. Will it ever end?? That being said, there are better ways of coping with obesity (or any other perceived disorder, for that matter) than to ship the poor kid off to some fucking camp.... I can't believe I'm taking the time to reply to this ridiculous post.

I know, these must be manufactured in a factory somewhere


Agreed. Nothing human could have written that.
                I’ll second that. Whatever it is, that thing seems to be crying out for something more than only the lowly sustenance of negative attention. I wonder if it were treated to an “over night scream thingy” would it learn compassion?

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Open Free for All / Re: going to rehab for ptsd?
« on: May 09, 2009, 06:03:05 AM »
Quote from: "Guest"
Step 2 might also be a challenge. "Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity."
If God is so omnipotent and omniscient that he will "restore these people to sanity" on request, where the hell was he when they were getting raped by their dads on a regular basis? Oh, that's right, I almost forgot about "Footprints"... during those years they lived in terror in their own homes, crying themselves to sleep every night, it was then God was carrying them.  ???
I read a really disturbing statistic that 46% of incest survivors are abused by their therapists. You just know those 'victims of abuse' meetings will be swarming with sick perverts and pedophiles on the hunt for vulnerable prey.
     While reading the Perennial Philosophy (A. Huxley), it occurred to me that “the god within” might just be an unhealthy introject. For info on abusive therapists...
http://website.lineone.net/~vex/How%20T ... 0Abuse.htm

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Daytop Village / Re: DAYTOP Did Me Great Harm in the Long Run
« on: May 09, 2009, 05:42:27 AM »
Quote
Basically and simply put, it was just one long process of coercion there, and the residual psychological effects lasted well into my adult life. Once I opened up that door in my mind, a metaphorical door that had been nailed shut for all of those years, a whole lot of old baggage got unpacked and reorganized relatively quickly.

Yeah, I remember now how she sang while playing her guitar, sitting in a chair in front of that big window in the room in the back of the building, the one where we had Morning Meeting. You could look out of that window and see the pool behind her as she sang.

   Laughs. My baggage is currently being handled by a parade of porters, bellhops, and pall bearers. It gets rifled through sometimes and has all too often been checked for contraband (by those who helped pack the trunks). Essentially, this means I’m simply glad to occasionally organize a thought.
                Same staff different buildings. I was there when the “family” had just carpet bagged their way to Texas. We typically had morning meeting on the racket ball courts (no windows) Marcy’s window was in her song. Still, reverie is a way out of anywhere and I think she might’ve benefited from a fall.

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Daytop Village / Re: DAYTOP Did Me Great Harm in the Long Run
« on: May 05, 2009, 09:12:01 PM »
Question for Sekto:
‘Been a while. ‘Still reading?
I hesitate to ask this. I’d hate to cause you a flash, but were you ever subjected to Marcy singing that song she wrote about that f*ing bag of love? She’d plunk away on her guitar and yodel it out in morning meetings …and well, just about any other opportunity she had to subject her captive audience to it.
I felt compelled by some commiserating urge to ask you.  In the song she “sang” of herself “sitting upon this window sill …“.  I used to imagine her leaning too far and falling through it. Then we’d have been spared the bruised fruit of her inspiration by her having fallen before ever jotting down her lyrics.
I hate that that song is still in my head. Granted, there are also commercial jingles in there from ages ago, but none so chilling as Marcy's creative process.

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Open Free for All / Re: A Recovery Bill of Rights for Trauma Survivors
« on: April 26, 2009, 03:26:43 AM »
Thank you Hurrikayne, for posting this. I found these words to be of timely use for me.

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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / Re: You live or you die votes
« on: April 21, 2009, 06:59:15 PM »
DayTop played that game to.  Another rainy day game that at least had no “therapeutic” pretext was murder in the dark. Aah good times…

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