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It takes time, so take your time. I won’t say that it’s easy and that I didn’t have a similar reaction. On the one hand, I needed to be purging my Daytop experiences because they were an indelible ugly reinforcement of other abuses I had endured as a kid as well as having a reverberating effect on my experiences thereafter, but it did seem at first as overwhelming as it was validating.  Take your time. Ask questions if you need to. This forum is moderated by SEKTO, but you can also pm me and Paul ST. John is around and these are just a couple of the really warm and compassionate people I have met through this site. I’ve even gotten a lot of support and insights from people who never went to Daytop.

Ah, well it comes as a surprise to me that they were still shaving anyone’s head in 1984. The latest case of a literal haircut I heard of made its way into court and even then it was a notable exception for even Daytop’s enduring draconian methods. Did you or did you know of girls receiving a haircut, if so did that include having to wear the skullcap? What were your duties before and after morning meetings?

Wow out of the pan and into the fire. From an abusive home to abusive treatment milieu --that’s a familiar theme for Daytop (from one abusive family to another). God having to dig out your own stitches…So, clearly Daytop dropped you off with a bit more baggage than you had arrived at them with and without much regard for your welfare and apparently DYFS didn’t follow up either.

It’s no wonder that you developed a mistrust of authority. By that point most of those who had been charged with caring for you had mistreated you.

I’m glad you’re in a better place in life now and that you are having success working with a good psychiatrist. I think the per capita ratio of the existence of those makes the odds tantamount to that of finding a morgan silver dollar on a hiking trail.

I was in the second of the Daytop facilities that you mentioned and another one which sounds similar to the first you mention (only instead of evaluation IIRC it was at my time actually referred to as a detention facility and later called a *diagnostic* center). Were they as dissimilar in your time there as they were later?

My best wishes to you for your continued healing.

@ Got2bme
Two quick thoughts on this before I have to dash. These are: Welcome and Damn, I’m sorry.

Also couple of questions occurred to me while reading your post:
•   Which location did they send you to after your time in the psych stay? Do you know what the connection was between the facilities or who made the referral to Daytop? Was this psych facility the one from your first post “Fair Oaks Hospital in Summit, NJ”?
•   Which level were you at/How long were you at Daytop before you were put into the Marathon?
•   How was Daytop able to act as guardian in order to sign release for the surgery and to sign you out of the ICU? Did they not notify your parents or guardians before dropping you at home?

why drop me off on my mother’s doorstep?

IDK, but it is a good question. I wonder what the discharge summary and instructions were from the medical hospital where your wounds were treated. I can’t imagine that it did not include some sort of conditions for follow up care. If Daytop somehow implied to them that they would be responsible for continuing your care, it was clearly a misrepresentation—considering. Have you ever been able to broach this topic with your mother?

why did they not help me?

IMO they can’t really help as much as they hurt. I say this not to minimize your experience, but getting out of there may in fact have minimized the potential for further harm from Daytop by cutting off your exposure to their brutal brand of *treatment methodologies* especially in regards (though certainly not exclusively so) to your trauma history.

This warped concept of the use of *transporters* is fraught with enough perils that it is in and of itself a significant problem. That it has now developed into this situation of a fucking unlawful detaining a child (and possibly others) under a similar pretext of Sergeant Stranger Danger misrepresenting himself as a truancy officer… for the purpose of abduction, recruitment and extortion... I am so profoundly pissed! The practice of children being abducted from their homes by some hired toughs has in all likelihood given this dumb thug the idea that he can and should go make a buck and fill some plastic seats to boot by abducting a child off the street at random. This is an exemplar of the perilous collision of the perception of kids as commodities and the pathologizing of adolescence in action!
 
The message of an anything less than an as full as the extent of the law permits sentence imposed on this man would essentially put a target on the back of every unaccompanied minor.  

I can see it now : Predator sips iced-tea as Steve Hanson enters with introduction and asks what were you thinking? Predator answers: Well, I saw this kid online and I was going to recruit them to a program and the condoms and winecoolers were going to be a visual aid part of my teen safety lecture.  
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Edited:  Thx Oscar!

Hello Elizabeth,
I’m sorry for what you’ve been through. Though my direct experiences in the Texas Psychiatric Hospitals as a kid happened later than the eighties, I can and others I know can relate with overmedicating and improper use of restraints and for that matter improper placements within them.

I see from your other posts you that have located the Texas Psychiatric abuses area of this Forum and have already made contact with someone familiar with one of the facilities you mentioned. I am glad that you are empowering yourself to overcome these experiences by reaching out to others. Good Luck with your other discussion group as well.
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Fwiw, Jacob Wright's demonstrated spectrum of interests certainly begs the question of ... what *do* the TTI and stock option trading have in common with one another?  :nods:

Hmmm, good question…IDK

Actually, his top two specialties would appear to be the troubled teen industry and stock option trading. He even has his own websites, one for each, devoted to pretty much the same nonsense.

Yes, of his 156 articles those topics do appear to be his current primary focus, his profile Specifically cites his interests as:

“Jacob is an internet enthusiast. He lives in Colorado with his wife and two daughters. He is passionate about sustainable living, helping troubled youth, personal finance, and the outdoors.”

His other articles include various topics related to acid reflux, boat propellers, Lasik eye surgery, etc. Also he advises (in the repetitive and vague manner Ursus aptly described) readers on “survivalism” and what to carry on hikes (something he calls a bug out bag).

It would appear that his material serves primarily to warm up the pool of potential marks to be open to later suggestion. Perhaps by someone else. Whether Wright is personally invested in that or, perhaps, a $50 per article commission (or whatever the going rate is these days) paid by some third party interested in mass propagandizing is unclear. Of course this is pure speculation on my part and, of course, I have no idea what I'm talking about. Just sayin'!

I’ll bet whatever the submission commission or flat take is just a pittance compared to the earning potential to be had from direct referrals.

He appears to have quickly evolved from his earliest ezine entries about recovering from bankruptcy and how to make money online to basically contorting the same broad “troubled youth” assessments and accompanying vacuous claims into different articles designed to present programs as the solution for adolescence and coexisting uh, conditions. He seems unconcerned with details like elaborating on what “out of control” entails or offering much if anything contextually substantive.

He does appear to have a particular interest in promoting wilderness therapy with his circuitous advice. Which is just so off --for more than the mind-blowingly ignorant assertion that it is a good opportunity for detoxification.
This quote (from one of his several articles on survival what to carry in a ready kit ) connotes that he may already have a Most Dangerous Game perspective on outdoorsmanship  

“Carrying 10 knives and a 1000 rounds of ammo might sound cool but when you're trying to move it will make you an easy target”

 Either that, or watching Deliverance left an indelible impression on him.

He is a study in contradictions alright.
In one article he avers (without any explanation) that no communication between the parent and child for the duration of the stay will somehow ultimately improve communication once the child has returned. Yet, another surprisingly sensitive article of his is dedicated to “How to Write Great Letters to Troubled Teens in Treatment Programs”

“Parents should monitor through their letters the activities at the program and if the teenager feels it is doing any good. Parents should make it clear that the teen need not stick with the program if it is not doing any good. They should make it clear that they are there for the teen and are willing to listen to any problems the teen has with the program and if the teen wants to leave the program with good reason, they are willing to have him or her back. ”

But I’m sure by that point the money to be made has been had and sadly so have the parents–at serious cost to their kids

Still, while she is far less prolific than others The fatuity of Mary Murtha’s hilarious title  for her “Ten fabulous reasons why troubled youth need military school” wins  the  :ftard:  :trophy:

Quit fronting, I know you were planning for some post rapture looting.