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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Dysfunction Junction on January 21, 2011, 06:24:03 AM
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Good morning. And what a wonderful morning it is. Let me be the first to pass on the good news that Whooter has been sentenced to a lifetime ban from Fornits. Finally he has been held accountable for his atrocious behavior and his obsessive/compulsive disorder will have to be satisfied via other endeavors.
Since I know you're reading but can't respond, let me just give it to you "straight out". Say it with me now...
Ha,Ha,Ha!
:cheers: :twofinger: :soapbox: :deal: :roflmao:
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Whooter wouldn't have been other than background noise if everyone had ignored him.
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Good morning. And what a wonderful morning it is. Let me be the first to pass on the good news that Whooter has been sentenced to a lifetime ban from Fornits. Finally he has been held accountable for his atrocious behavior and his obsessive/compulsive disorder will have to be satisfied via other endeavors.
Since I know you're reading but can't respond, let me just give it to you "straight out". Say it with me now...
Ha,Ha,Ha!
:cheers: :twofinger: :soapbox: :deal: :roflmao:
I need the deets! How/why did this happen? I just told Gatekeeper via PM that I'm just about done with Fornits (yeah, yeah...nobody cares, I know). It's just so tiresome and accomplishes nothing. And I disagree that if we'd all just have ignored him, he'd have gone away or become background noise. His profession, IMO, is marketing a/k/a shilling in addition to being a narcissist (yes, internet dx, I know) that could NEVER admit wrong. He's very skilled at it and convinces potential program parents that what they're doing is right and I just couldn't let that go by.
Glad he's gone but I do wish someone "on the other side" that is sensible, with some integrity would come along. That, IMO again, is what makes progress.....being able to have a serious dialogue about the TTI and what it actually does.
My .02
Oh, and DJ.....
Ha,Ha,Ha!
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
Damn that was annoying.
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I disagree. That had been tried before. Whooter was so insidious that if you just ignored him he would spam post your threads into oblivion. If you engaged him you'd get the same result. His only intention was to muddy the waters so badly that nobody could find any information they were looking for. Failing that he would just start posting that people sexually molested their own children, which, to an outside reader, is the point where they say "This site is ridiculous!" and stop looking, which was Whooter's goal - to drive information seekers away from Fornits and to program marketing sites.
Now that will stop and we can get back to real discussions like we had before Whooter arrived. You may not see that, Oscar, because Whooter was here when you got here, so you don't know how nice it was before to deal with just your standard industry trolls. Whooter literally dedicated every moment of every day into destroying this resource and he was successful for six years. It had to be stopped sometime.
I took it upon myself to make that happen and when I put my mind to it, it was over very quickly. Whooter was outsmarted, outmaneuvered and, due to his mental illness, outmatched psychologically and intellectually. If you take off the two months of "deliberations" on the case, Whooter was rolled up in a matter of 4 weeks. It was well worth the effort to get some peace and quiet around here.
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Good morning. And what a wonderful morning it is. Let me be the first to pass on the good news that Whooter has been sentenced to a lifetime ban from Fornits. Finally he has been held accountable for his atrocious behavior and his obsessive/compulsive disorder will have to be satisfied via other endeavors.
He wasn't "sentenced" to anything. He made a contract with you and he broke it. His behavior had nothing to do with anything.
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His only intention was to muddy the waters so badly that nobody could find any information they were looking for. Failing that he would just start posting that people sexually molested their own children, which, to an outside reader, is the point where they say "This site is ridiculous!" and stop looking, which was Whooter's goal - to drive information seekers away from Fornits and to program marketing sites.
:tup: :tup: :tup:
Now that will stop and we can get back to real discussions like we had before Whooter arrived. You may not see that, Oscar, because Whooter was here when you got here, so you don't know how nice it was before to deal with just your standard industry trolls. Whooter literally dedicated every moment of every day into destroying this resource and he was successful for six years. It had to be stopped sometime.
That's true. There were many, many true discussions before his arrival. He made this site miserable and virtually unreadable.
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I need the deets! How/why did this happen? I just told Gatekeeper via PM that I'm just about done with Fornits (yeah, yeah...nobody cares, I know). It's just so tiresome and accomplishes nothing.
You're not the only one who has expressed this by word or deed, Anne. Most regular posters are gone from Fornits. Many have said outright that they no longer want the hassle of dealing with Whooter and they felt like their posts could never be found, which is exactly Whooter's goal. Many just quit trying and I have recieved PMs from at least 10 regulars here telling me that explicitly. Even the mods and admin basically abdicated the responsibility for policing Whooter because he wore them out, too. They basically punted.
Whooter brought the program here. He lied, manipulated, twisted and lied some more, all with the intent to discredit abuse victims and bury their stories which he accomplished completely. Many posters felt like they didn't want to "fight the program again" and simply walked away. Some tried to "fight back" but when you are dealing with an adversary with literally unlimited time and resources, how can you actually fight back? You can't. He just wears you down until you quit, just like the program. This place was never meant to be like that and it never was until Whooter set up shop.
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Whooter brought the program here. He lied, manipulated, twisted and lied some more, all with the intent to discredit abuse victims and bury their stories which he accomplished completely. Many posters felt like they didn't want to "fight the program again" and simply walked away. Some tried to "fight back" but when you are dealing with an adversary with literally unlimited time and resources, how can you actually fight back? You can't. He just wears you down until you quit, just like the program. This place was never meant to be like that and it never was until Whooter set up shop.
:tup: :tup:
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Good morning. And what a wonderful morning it is. Let me be the first to pass on the good news that Whooter has been sentenced to a lifetime ban from Fornits. Finally he has been held accountable for his atrocious behavior and his obsessive/compulsive disorder will have to be satisfied via other endeavors.
He wasn't "sentenced" to anything. He made a contract with you and he broke it. His behavior had nothing to do with anything.
OK. But his inability to control his behavior drove him to break the contract twice and now he must suffer the consequences for it. However you want to cut it up.
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Why would you post that? Do you miss him?
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Best way to get around a forum ban.
Why would you post that? Do you miss him?
Cause he's a trouble maker like the gatekeeper.
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Whooter literally dedicated every moment of every day into destroying this resource and he was successful for six years. It had to be stopped sometime.
I took it upon myself to make that happen and when I put my mind to it, it was over very quickly. Whooter was outsmarted, outmaneuvered and, due to his mental illness, outmatched psychologically and intellectually. If you take off the two months of "deliberations" on the case, Whooter was rolled up in a matter of 4 weeks. It was well worth the effort to get some peace and quiet around here.
And a fine piece of work it was my friend :notworthy: Congratulations and enjoy this day. If you can, give us some more details. I didn't realize Whoot had a contract with you concerning his behavior. I am assuming he had pledged to stop PMing you or somethin but then his OCD drove him to do it anyway?
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Whooter literally dedicated every moment of every day into destroying this resource and he was successful for six years. It had to be stopped sometime.
I took it upon myself to make that happen and when I put my mind to it, it was over very quickly. Whooter was outsmarted, outmaneuvered and, due to his mental illness, outmatched psychologically and intellectually. If you take off the two months of "deliberations" on the case, Whooter was rolled up in a matter of 4 weeks. It was well worth the effort to get some peace and quiet around here.
And a fine piece of work it was my friend :notworthy: Congratulations and enjoy this day. If you can, give us some more details. I didn't realize Whoot had a contract with you concerning his behavior. I am assuming he had pledged to stop PMing you or somethin but then his OCD drove him to do it anyway?
Pretty much in a nutshell, yes. But I can't get too excited because he has an appeal in the works. I believe I effectively struck it down, but we have to wait for the decision from the "mod panel". If the ban gets upheld I will release the case file for public consumption.
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I don’t agree with the banning as you probably would guess. But I will not appeal the decision.
Thank you everyone for what I have learned here. When I first placed my daughter in ASR I thought that all programs were safe and fornits opened my eyes to the fact that the industry is mostly unregulated and I was lucky that I chose ASR versus a program which may have done harm to her.
If I were to do things over again I would have done them a little differently and researched more. I realize now how much more local services there are available to parents with kids at risk.
I have more knowledge today to take with me on my travels due to the people of fornits.
Take Care everyone.
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I don’t agree with the banning as you probably would guess. But I will not appeal the decision.
Thank you everyone for what I have learned here. When I first placed my daughter in ASR I thought that all programs were safe and fornits opened my eyes to the fact that the industry is mostly unregulated and I was lucky that I chose ASR versus a program which may have done harm to her.
If I were to do things over again I would have done them a little differently and researched more. I realize now how much more local services there are available to parents with kids at risk.
I have more knowledge today to take with me on my travels due to the people of fornits.
Take Care everyone.
Bite my ass and good riddance you control freak! No wonder you sent your son/daughter (who knows by now) to a program. You cant' STAND it if you can't be in control of things.
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I don’t agree with the banning as you probably would guess. But I will not appeal the decision.
Thank you everyone for what I have learned here. When I first placed my daughter in ASR I thought that all programs were safe and fornits opened my eyes to the fact that the industry is mostly unregulated and I was lucky that I chose ASR versus a program which may have done harm to her.
If I were to do things over again I would have done them a little differently and researched more. I realize now how much more local services there are available to parents with kids at risk.
I have more knowledge today to take with me on my travels due to the people of fornits.
Take Care everyone.
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Even this is a lie. He already appealed and now realizes he couldn't prevail or was already ruled against. C'mon, Whooter, you can't even get honest on your way out the door, bro. Dishonest to the bitter end, as expected. I do sincerely hope you learned something, though I wouldn't bet on it.
Don't let the door hit ya where the Good Lord split ya.
EDIT: Now I have confirmed this lie. Whooter appealed the banning and was ruled against. Only after that did he post "I will not appeal..." What a fucking phony fabricator! Good riddance to bad trash.
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Sure took long enough.
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So long John. Maybe you could use this extra time to focus on the kid you haven't yet murdered.
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The thing that's gotta burn Whooter John the most is that in all the years he was wasting everyone's time here, he never one a single argument. He never won anyone over or convinced anyone of anything he was saying. He never even came close to proving a single one of his lies.
He just never could.
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The thing that's gotta burn Whooter John the most is that in all the years he was wasting everyone's time here, he never one a single argument. He never won anyone over or convinced anyone of anything he was saying. He never even came close to proving a single one of his lies.
He just never could.
I'm gonna smoke a blunt today to celebrate the exit of Whoot. My way of saying goodbye. This feels even better than the day that maximillian/suckit signed off. She was a ghastly shrew that lied about every single thing in her life. I truly hated that witch. It felt very good to assist in her downfall here on Fornits. I only wish I could claim any credit for Whooters fall but that really all belongs to DJ and of course Whooter himself.
RB is right too. I never saw Whoot win an argument here or convince anybody of anything. He always had to have the last word and I guess that was a form of "winning" for him.
We do need a reasonable honest person to rep the TTI here on Fornits. It would be a catalyst for interesting discussions. Whooter was neither reasonable or honest. Good riddance loser.
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Thank you for finally banning him! It was so difficult to get the REAL information with all of his clap trap and outright lies!
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To be honest I don't know if this is such a good thing. I would much rather have Whooter here spreading his lies where they are checked and he continually makes himself out as a complete fool. He will find a new place to spread his filth and lies. Hopefully he has the intelligence to worm around the ban.
The only good that will come out of this is that Whooter is probably going through a complete mental breakdown not being able to post. I imagine the withdrawals from a purely mental addiction that is this severe would be worse than dropping smack.
Perfect time for you to try out some behavior modification Whooter, why don't you sign yourself up for that adult program in Costa Rica, maybe if you put yourself through a program they will let you come back, of course you would be giving up and changing teams but what the hell, your stupidity was only working for us anyway, in the grand scheme of things it wouldn't be much of a change.
There is a special seat in hell reserved for people like you Whooter, why don't you take some of your new found time off and read about it in Dante's Inferno. I think justifying, supporting, and advocating child abuse, torture, and murder is worse than commiting the crimes yourself. I am a big believer in Karma, and I imagine you will suffer in this lifetime as well, probably some sort of horribly painful terminal illness. When that happens Whooter I hope the words of Gonzotherapy ring in your head, "I told you so Whooter, you shouldn't have been such a worthless sack of shit," over and over...
It's been real Whooter. :fuckoff:
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Gonzo, where else is he going to be perpetrating his lies? There are no other anti-program sites to go to, so he will just be one voice of many hundreds on the pro-program outlets. And don't worry...we have plenty of other shills that will be posting once they realize Whoot-bag isn't carrying their water anymore. I really believe we had only one shill for so long because they saw what an amazing job he did to derail Fornits as a whole and they simply didn't need to put in any work of their own. But I bet they will be back now. Fornits with no shill pieces isn't really conceivable.
My .02.
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I only hope somebody comes back to replace him, because if the program side of the argument isn't represented, and dissected, you'll never know how to really think and argue about the industry with any sort of skill. If you ever, for example, talk to another person about the industry, and they are skeptical about what you're saying, you need to be able to respond to their questions and explain how such a con is run. It also helps to understand it on a personal, healing, level. Certain people, especially those who understand cons or cults, get it immediately. Others you have to really explain to and/or argue with until hey get it. That's where people like Whooter come in handy.
Yes, he was repetitive, but his repetitive nature allowed different practice arguments to be tried again and again. Yes, he was dishonest/misleading in one way or another about ... well ... a whole lot of stuff, but if you ever argue with an industry executive or an ed-con, such practice comes in handy. Yes, he pushed buttons, but so does a program rep. Without practice, the mind gros dull. All in all, there are worse than Whooter. It is even possible he is a parent, though I personally doubt it. Was he survivor-friendly? not really. I can't even remember how many just couldn't stand him enough that it drove them off the site, or worse, off an edge. It's sad, but the policy of the site then, as it is now, is that we don't moderate on people's opinions or matters of fact, so if somebody lies about you, you just have to either take it, or point out their lies.
The reason for this is because is we start saying, for example, that Whooter lied about DJ's past, and that warranted punishment, we'd also have to delete all testimony of and punish each and every survivor after an "internet libel" complaint from, for example, a current staff member poster, or industry member. Real lawsuits would probably suck too because if we, for example, deleted a post, we would have probably implicitly endorsed the rest of the speech as truthful. We like to be able to limit our liability to individual posters and say "take it to the courts", which can be a fruitful battle to expose a program. Unfortunately, i'm sorry, we cannot defend you from lies, even blatant ones, by industry reps. The price you pay for posting on a free forum is that people will sometimes lie. You can sometimes effectively defend yourself and proving somebody to be a liar by outing yourself, but that comes with it's own risks.
There are subjectively moderated areas of the forum (Can), so if you want a safe place to talk about survivor stuff, you can do it in that "private club" rather than in the rest of the forum. If it's related to a thread elsewhere a forum, feel free to make a post with a link to the Can thread. People like Whooter will always be around. Hopefully CAN and FQA can help people feel a little bit safer.
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ll cons are the same, or variations on a theme
usually they involve reliance on the victims fear, or greed, intertwined with an element of either stupidity,or gulliability.
In broad strokes they all go like this, create a "problem" the more horrid,and seemingly requiring immeadate action the better,induce fear or greed without mercy, make it seem as if you,and only you have the answer, a new and complete one. Pressurize the situation with implications of damage caused by failure to act,or that somehow a window of opportunity is closing....a lot like sales,or marketing for that matter.
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I don’t agree with the banning as you probably would guess. But I will not appeal the decision.
Thank you everyone for what I have learned here. When I first placed my daughter in ASR I thought that all programs were safe and fornits opened my eyes to the fact that the industry is mostly unregulated and I was lucky that I chose ASR versus a program which may have done harm to her.
If I were to do things over again I would have done them a little differently and researched more. I realize now how much more local services there are available to parents with kids at risk.
I have more knowledge today to take with me on my travels due to the people of fornits.
Take Care everyone.
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Even this is a lie. He already appealed and now realizes he couldn't prevail or was already ruled against. C'mon, Whooter, you can't even get honest on your way out the door, bro. Dishonest to the bitter end, as expected. I do sincerely hope you learned something, though I wouldn't bet on it.
Don't let the door hit ya where the Good Lord split ya.
EDIT: Now I have confirmed this lie. Whooter appealed the banning and was ruled against. Only after that did he post "I will not appeal..." What a fucking phony fabricator! Good riddance to bad trash.
He did not appeal. You may be misunderstanding.
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Glad he's gone but I do wish someone "on the other side" that is sensible, with some integrity would come along.
That's like saying you'd like to have a dog to hunt rabbits, fetch your slippers and all other manner of dog behavior, if only you could find one who will meow instead of barking. How could anyone with sense and integrity defend the industry?
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Glad he's gone but I do wish someone "on the other side" that is sensible, with some integrity would come along.
That's like saying you'd like to have a dog to hunt rabbits, fetch your slippers and all other manner of dog behavior, if only you could find one who will meow instead of barking. How could anyone with sense and integrity defend the industry?
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Psy what you are saying makes sense about Whooter serving as a sort of "sparring partner," thus honing one's debating skills.. however, this is secondary to your more salient point about the admins taking an appropriate laissez-faire stance (of course that has to be a two-way street) with the option of using the more strictly moderated forums...
Whooter's platform increased in proportion to how much people would give him one by constantly engaging him..
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Yeah, nobody's debate skills are sharpened by an asshole who repeats ad nauseum "You rape your own kids and sell drugs to other kids." All his shit was specious and circular anyway. There was no debate whatsoever, just Whooter obfuscating and lying. Nobody's skills improved based on "arguing" with Whooter. He was so over the top he appeared to be a parody of a program supporter anyway. He was and is a waste of space and air.
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I agree with this take to some extent, too.
I usually didn't get why people would give him so much airtime by going around and around with him.
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Well, here's what he would do to bury information or market a program... If you started a thread he would just start spamming it with links from a program website. If you responded, he responded two more times, burying your stuff even further. If you didn't respond, he would continuously delete and repost his last post to keep his marketing threads at the top of the "new posts" section. Basically you were damned if you did and damned if you didn't. Personally, I got sick of it and thought up a way to get rid of him and it worked flawlessly. I put him into my own personal program and he lasted a mere four weeks before getting perma-banned. Well worth the investment, IMHO.
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Let's kill the show. For reals. (To qualify: I mean the persona, our obsession with it - not the person)
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I'll second that.
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Whooter was such a tool, man. That guy thought he was so smart. He got his ass handed to him.
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The pwnage of Whooter was complete. He was far, far inferior to DJ in every respect.
:guesswho: Whooter was just a plain old idiot.
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Whooter reads every day but he's impotent so now he is posting as "Mark1986" because he was owned by DJ, exposed as a fake parent with fake kids,, completely outsmarted and fully embarassed. Now all he can do is keep pretending to be others and proxying up. Sad, sad existence of a troll with no life other than fornits. I called STICC yesterday and asked for John Reuben. When I was put through I kept calling him "Whooter" and he kept responding to it. What a shameless liar! You were owned Whooter. Move on.
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Whooter was owned by just about everyone who faced him. Lets face it he was an idiot and a tool for the industry.
I could not agree more with this statement. However, "Marc," Whooter was pulling your leg on the rest. I can post here whenever I like without restrictions. Whooter was banned for life because I control his behavior. I set him up to fail and he did, just as I intended. So you got it a bit mixed up, "Marc," as it was Whooter who was "exposed" as a total phony and liar and his humiliation was complete. He is no longer allowed here because he played a game with me that he should have known he did not have the intellectual bandwidth to win. I hope that helps clear up your misconceptions, "Marc."
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Have a nice day.
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Whooter was owned by just about everyone who faced him. Lets face it he was an idiot and a tool for the industry.
I could not agree more with this statement. However, "Marc," Whooter was pulling your leg on the rest. I can post here whenever I like without restrictions. Whooter was banned for life because I control his behavior. I set him up to fail and he did, just as I intended. So you got it a bit mixed up, "Marc," as it was Whooter who was "exposed" as a total phony and liar and his humiliation was complete. He is no longer allowed here because he played a game with me that he should have known he did not have the intellectual bandwidth to win. I hope that helps clear up your misconceptions, "Marc."
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Have a nice day.
Personally I think you took the cheap way (as opposed to arguing) out by tricking him into getting me to shut him up of his own consent, but in a way I don't blame you. Whooter did have a tendency to enrage people. He would go round and round in propogandic circles until people lost control. That isn't to excuse them of their personal responsibilities for their actions but it does help explain why they happened. You weren't the only one driven to want to shut the guy up. Hell. I was once a proponent of doing so. But the fact is that I was right. Look at the dates of the postings in the TTI forum. It has never been this slow. I don't see why you're so proud and cocky about what you've done. This is your hollow victory. The forum is on the verge of dying, the responsibility for which is almost entirely on you (as you yourself agreed (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=32800&p=399853#p399853)). This issue needed discussion. The propaganda needed to be debunked. Whooter provided a constant punching bag of bullshit to kick the crap out of. Without his side of the argument, there is no argument at all. All it is is preaching. And with no audience, preaching very quickly gets very boring. None of the difficult questions are answered anymore. The propaganda techniques are not being pointed out. As a result, there is a lack of activity. As a result, people stop reading. And because they don't read, the sparks of a "good" post fail to ignite any sort of good discussion. The thread simply dies a lonely death. I hope you're happy for what you've done.
And what pisses me off too is that I knew this would happen and that's why I told you it would be "necessary to invent" Whooter. That's why I wanted to make you promise what I asked you (to play a devil's advocate). And you threw it in my face when I might have prevented this. And now that you see this happening... Do I see some charachter like this stirring up discussion, or taking an industry viewpoint? Nope. All I see you doing is gloating over nothing and its sad. You've actually convinced your'self that you've won. This forum saved my life by helping me put together the pieces of what happened to me and now, it's in tatters. Well. That's you're fault. You admitted that. So what are you going to do about it? Personally I suggest you take the role I suggested earlier to heart, you agree to un-ban whooter, or you invite a replacement programmie. I don't have the time to play devil's advocate as i'm working long hours now and frankly, this is your mess. You clean it up. There needs to be dark for there to be light.
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I agree with you, quanat. The only person who misses Whooter is psy. I will never agree to allow him back. He ruined this site and everyone's experience here. Good riddance to bad garbage. At least people can post what they want and have it accessible for reading. I'm sorry, psy, but most people stopped posting and reading because of that idiot. Now they're starting to come back, but this place was damaged so badly it won't recover fully and many of us now use other venues and tactics for messaging. You can try to blame me for the"decline of fornits" but nobody buys that but you.
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I sure don't miss all that whooter business. I do think the forum was hurt at least partly by his never-ending presence. Another reason for some slow down may be the welcome situation of so many programs closing up shop. Also, some of us (I know I'm not alone in feeling this way) have said about all we have to say ten times over and simply have nothing new to add.
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Activity is not readability, psy. The presence of trolls makes the forum more active on a posts-per-day basis but less readable when it comes to understanding information. It's difficult to get anything of value out of a forum continuously flooded with crap, and people taking the crap seriously, and people responding to the crap...
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Activity is not readability, psy. The presence of trolls makes the forum more active on a posts-per-day basis but less readable when it comes to understanding information.
Precisely my point, PODK. The analogy goes something like this:
"Concerning dinner, I have good news and bad news. The bad news is that the food is garbage. The good news is there's plenty of it."
Buzzkill has a pont, too. As our industry bogeymen get clobbered and run out of town on a rail we have less to do here.
Plus, many of us have gone to more "direct drive" activities like politicking, lobbying, contacting state agencies directly and counter-marketing (which I have been very busy doing). Additionally, there are a lot more social media outlets to use for this purpose. On top of those facts, many people here have been posting for 6,7,8,9, 10 years or more and have run out of material. There's not much more to add as this forum becomes a historical archive. Any question, complaint or argument has been engaged and dissected ad nauseum already. Many of us don't feel like typing in the same things for the umpteenth time. Our thoughts are already present in the archives.
If you really want to know what drove away people en masse...it's censorship. Most of us got sick of our posts being edited, deleted or moved and just take care of our business elswhere where we needn't be fettered by it.
For this forum to be great again like it was prior to Whooter's arrival, some innovation is required. Same old stale threads in the same old tired forums don't attract new readers and content providers. That's just the way it is. If Fornits were a business it would be justifiably going under because it has become passe. That's not to say it isn't the very best clearinghouse for program information and data - it is. Unfortunately, that isn't enough to drive traffic.
Having dimwitted assholes like Whooter shitting all over everything and everyone never added value and it never will. I would wager that the vast majority of people here would peg the decline of Fornits to Whooter's arrival, not his departure. On its face that notion is a profound absurdity.
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Activity is not readability, psy. The presence of trolls makes the forum more active on a posts-per-day basis but less readable when it comes to understanding information. It's difficult to get anything of value out of a forum continuously flooded with crap, and people taking the crap seriously, and people responding to the crap...
Maybe Dr. Fucktard should post more often. :jamin: :rocker: :rofl:
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Glad he's gone but I do wish someone "on the other side" that is sensible, with some integrity would come along.
That's like saying you'd like to have a dog to hunt rabbits, fetch your slippers and all other manner of dog behavior, if only you could find one who will meow instead of barking. How could anyone with sense and integrity defend the industry?
That's not exactly what I meant and I think most people understand that. Maybe I chose my words wrong ::) I've had civil conversations with former staff members who are still 'true believers', but at least it was civil and they walked away thinking, and thinking really hard about their "beliefs". And their spouses were ASTOUNDED that they were a part of the mindfuck.
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Whooter the Lameass tried to make a comeback as Mitt Romney, but got punked again and had to delete all of his posts. HAHAHAHAHAA!!!!
See the coward's trail here (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=37068&start=0).
Dude abviously has no balls whatsoever! Hahahahaha!!!!
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I'd say he's the real Whooter, call me stupid if you will. "parodies" are satire. exact duplications are not satirizing. Currently, Whooter is wrecking & re-traumatizing victims in the HLA RCS forum. HLA is an extra-judicial prison for hire http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extrajudicial_punishment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extrajudicial_punishment) (and now official prison) which injured many. I don't get it why this is allowed, excuse me.
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I disagree. That had been tried before. Whooter was so insidious that if you just ignored him he would spam post your threads into oblivion. If you engaged him you'd get the same result. His only intention was to muddy the waters so badly that nobody could find any information they were looking for. Failing that he would just start posting that people sexually molested their own children, which, to an outside reader, is the point where they say "This site is ridiculous!" and stop looking, which was Whooter's goal - to drive information seekers away from Fornits and to program marketing sites.
Now that will stop and we can get back to real discussions like we had before Whooter arrived. You may not see that, Oscar, because Whooter was here when you got here, so you don't know how nice it was before to deal with just your standard industry trolls. Whooter literally dedicated every moment of every day into destroying this resource and he was successful for six years. It had to be stopped sometime.
I took it upon myself to make that happen and when I put my mind to it, it was over very quickly. Whooter was outsmarted, outmaneuvered and, due to his mental illness, outmatched psychologically and intellectually. If you take off the two months of "deliberations" on the case, Whooter was rolled up in a matter of 4 weeks. It was well worth the effort to get some peace and quiet around here.
Ha,Ha,Ha. DJ you're too funny. Yes, I admit you did outsmart me in a sense. You did get me banned on a technicality, but now I'm back and you're gone, so Who really won (no pun intended lol).
It's time to move on and get back to good discussions. I will use only this login and stop using all the others to avoid confusion and keep the dialog on track.
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Whooter wrote:
"It's time to move on and get back to good discussions."
When have you ever done anything but start trouble here? And if you would like to move on,well go right ahead. We won't miss you. Everyone knows you're just a shill. A mouthpeice for the bad guys. Nothing extreme about that.
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Whooter wrote:
"It's time to move on and get back to good discussions."
When have you ever done anything but start trouble here? And if you would like to move on,well go right ahead. We won't miss you. Everyone knows you're just a shill. A mouthpeice for the bad guys. Nothing extreme about that.
I always supported you, none-ya, especially when you were sick.
Good luck None-ya. Infections suck, stay strong, get it taken care of and get back here. I'll miss your perspective and input.
Whooter
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Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=31437&p=383864&hilit=none+ya#p383864)
Why are you so nasty to me? All I do here is present the facts. I guess if you don't like it you can find somewhere else to read. I'd rather have an honest debate though instead of all of your attacks and lies.
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If you're so honest and objective, How come you've never slammed any program? If we believe all programs are inherently corrupt and evil, then we are extremeists. But you sing the praises of every program to come along. Even the worst ones. You can't possibly have first hand information on all of the programs and schools you endorse. But there are people here that who have lived through it. Their words carry much more weight than yours.
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Whooter wrote:
"It's time to move on and get back to good discussions."
When have you ever done anything but start trouble here? And if you would like to move on,well go right ahead. We won't miss you. Everyone knows you're just a shill. A mouthpeice for the bad guys. Nothing extreme about that.
I always supported you, none-ya, especially when you were sick.
Good luck None-ya. Infections suck, stay strong, get it taken care of and get back here. I'll miss your perspective and input.
Whooter
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Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=31437&p=383864&hilit=none+ya#p383864)
Why are you so nasty to me? All I do here is present the facts. I guess if you don't like it you can find somewhere else to read. I'd rather have an honest debate though instead of all of your attacks and lies.
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Whooter, I don’t think you can stand facts. I think when you encounter facts, you can’t rest until you have turned them into lies. Like vampires counting seeds. Whooter the teen torturing, fact twisting vampire.
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Whooter wrote:
"It's time to move on and get back to good discussions."
When have you ever done anything but start trouble here? And if you would like to move on,well go right ahead. We won't miss you. Everyone knows you're just a shill. A mouthpeice for the bad guys. Nothing extreme about that.
I always supported you, none-ya, especially when you were sick.
Good luck None-ya. Infections suck, stay strong, get it taken care of and get back here. I'll miss your perspective and input.
Whooter
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Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=31437&p=383864&hilit=none+ya#p383864)
Why are you so nasty to me? All I do here is present the facts. I guess if you don't like it you can find somewhere else to read. I'd rather have an honest debate though instead of all of your attacks and lies.
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Whooter, I don’t think you can stand facts. I think when you encounter facts, you can’t rest until you have turned them into lies. Like vampires counting seeds. Whooter the teen torturing, fact twisting vampire.
Oh no! Shady said I torture teens and am a vampire! You can do better than that, Shady. I think we all agree that if you had an argument to make you wouldn't waste your time making attacks against me lol. Your behavior only shows that I am right and you are wrong. Just saying.
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Whooter the vampire; " I'm rubber and you're glue, everything you say bounces off me and sticks to you". It is no mystery why he can't find a real career.
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And yes I do apreciate the good words when I was sick. But that alone is not enough for me to condone you opinions about these programs. The pretty picture you paint of these places proves you have no real experiences with them. Only what they want you to know. You seem to be parroting their sales pitches. Call a program, any program. Tell them you have an out of control kid. They will sing you the Whooter song. "All our kids come out 100% fixed. No drugs No drinking. on their way to collage." We all know that's impossible. But whooter, if you keep yelling it louder and louder i guess someone will believe you.
How many kids do you think you are responsible for winding up in a program? How many families have you influenced into sending their own children away? I wish nothing bad to you personally, I just want people to know you have your own agenda and to take what you say with with a couple of grains of salt.Again I am not attacking you,only your ideas.
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And yes I do apreciate the good words when I was sick. But that alone is not enough for me to condone you opinions about these programs. The pretty picture you paint of these places proves you have no real experiences with them. Only what they want you to know. You seem to be parroting their sales pitches. Call a program, any program. Tell them you have an out of control kid. They will sing you the Whooter song. "All our kids come out 100% fixed. No drugs No drinking. on their way to collage." We all know that's impossible. But whooter, if you keep yelling it louder and louder i guess someone will believe you.
How many kids do you think you are responsible for winding up in a program? How many families have you influenced into sending their own children away? I wish nothing bad to you personally, I just want people to know you have your own agenda and to take what you say with with a couple of grains of salt.Again I am not attacking you,only your ideas.
I had a daughter that went thru a program and I have personal experience with several other programs and belong to groups of parents whose kids went to programs. Your statement is totally false, none-ya. I have more experience with more different programs than most posters here.
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Whooter the vampire; " I'm rubber and you're glue, everything you say bounces off me and sticks to you". It is no mystery why he can't find a real career.
Oh no! Shady said I have no career! lol
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Where's Bruce? I thought he'd be around here nipping at ,y heels by now making some crazy demands lol.
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