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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / How About This Theory
« on: August 04, 2004, 05:55:00 PM »
Hey Annonymous, when were you at cedu-RS?[ This Message was edited by: SON OF SERBIA on 2004-08-04 14:57 ]

CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / How About This Theory
« on: August 04, 2004, 08:22:00 AM »
I agree that being at cedu forces you to do a lot of acting and even more lying to keep the heat off your ass, i could never do it for more than a a few weeks without snapping at someone and and getting in trouble (i was always in trouble at cedu). Some of the students were obviously born to play the part, i think we called them LOOK GOODS. They used to really come after me in raps because I would never talk about my problems,I was dirty, and because i was such a pain in the ass to staff and older students. I would usually deny everything the Look Goods said about me, and then i would used their cop outs against them and they'd start crying.  Then everyone would start screaming at me. I probably spent 2/3 of my entire stay (1 yr. 7 mo.) at cedu on restrictions mostly because of this tactic.  And then I would refuse my work assignments and the LOOK GOODS got even more pissed off at me.  Man I'm sure that I generated some of the LOUDEST raps in history.  

Is knowing how to act at cedu an asset in the real world? No, certainly not. In a nutshell, "Looking Good" at cedu involves being completely dishonest, never standing up for yourself in the face of confrontation, accepting everything you are told without question, and allowing your self to be completely dominated and subserviant to people (staff) who are clearly no better than, and often times inferior to yourself.  Also, most Look Goods upon a staff's command, were able to snap into a rage of self-directed hysterics, complete with tears, mucus on the floor, and drawn out screaming reflections about how much they hated themselves for being such aweful people. While this behavior might earn some points in another institutional setting like a mental hospital for instance, it is clearly a recipe for failure in the real world. This is because cedu teaches people to be sheep. In the real world the way to get ahead is to be a Wolf, or better yet, a Tiger. Sheep get eaten alive. No one likes being around crybabies who constantly pity themselves out loud.

I submit that cedu survivors would be most successful in the real world by doing exactly the opposite  of Looking Good at cedu.


CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / Just for fun
« on: August 02, 2004, 05:18:00 PM »
I Vote A.  And we should also ask her alter ego "Ottawa 2" (your not fooling anyone ottawa5) to get the fuck out of here as well, and not in a polite way, but in the most brutal, inhumane, insensitive way possible.  It would be most fitting considering that ottawa5 never showed even the smallest hint of compassion for the abuse survivors here. As for the sub vote, 1 & 2 sound right to me. I doubt Ottawa5 will just shut up and leave without saying something. I'm just waiting for her to respond so we can all laugh at her some more.

CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / For Ottawa
« on: August 02, 2004, 12:04:00 PM »
Well if this really is OTTAWA5's real son, and not the one that went to cedu, what the hell is he doing on this website anyways???  I mean Ottawa2 has to be totally clueless as to what's going on here.  Hey kid, go to bed already, the adults want to talk.  And tell that weakling, coward, brother of yours to come on this site already, if cedu was so good to him like you people keep saying, let's hear it from him!
and by the way, kid, you're mom is a totally obsessed, fucking nut job,you should really consider finding her some help.

CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / For Ottawa
« on: August 02, 2004, 08:28:00 AM »
Hey "Ottawa2", Your mom says that you graduated RMA several years ago and that you've already been in college several years now, and that you even spent a year overseas, how is it that you're still only a "teenager"? :rofl:
Why if you are as smart, and independent as we've all heard, have you not found a way to move out of the house and away from that  crazy,totalitarian, control freak, bitch mom of yours? Does your mom let you talk to girls on the phone? When is your bed time? Have you ever gotten to 2nd base?
DO YOU THINK THAT WE'RE ALL TOTALLY FUCKING STUPID OTTAWA5??? Look you crazy bitch, you've been exposed, your scared, and YOU KNOW THIS! And now we are supposed to believe that your coward son, who up until now had absolutely no interest in lowering himself to even hear the rants of a group of "HATE CEDU FANATICS" like ourselves, all of the sudden wants to take your place as "SUPREME DEFENDER OF THE CEDU FAITH" on this website? Let me guess is your son now also going to spend his every waking moment on this website monitoring and ranting and raving responses to every poster who doesn't agree with you?  (basically everyone who views this site).
Oh and by the way, the dyslexic thing is a nice touch Ottawa, BUT YOU'RE NOT FOOLING ANYONE!!! OTTAWA5 why don't you do everyone a favor including yourself, save yourself all of this emarassment,and salvage the tiny fractured morsal of dignity you have left---LEAVE ALREADY AND DON'T LET THE DOOR HIT YOUR ASS ON THE WAY OUT!!!

[ This Message was edited by: SON OF SERBIA on 2004-08-02 05:56 ][ This Message was edited by: SON OF SERBIA on 2004-08-02 05:57 ]

CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / My intentions
« on: July 28, 2004, 05:26:00 PM »
AHaha, the true bitch in Ottawa never allows her to leave without first getting the last word! :nworthy:

CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / My intentions
« on: July 28, 2004, 05:13:00 PM »
Ottawa, if your son is shooting heroin then he is endangering his life.....OF COURSE A CEDU MOM LIKE YOURSELF WOULD CALL THE POLICE!!!

By the way for someone who claims she is not a cedu-mole, Ottawa5 sure spends a lot of time on this site. Think how much time she spends writing all these posts, which by the way, never give us a straight answer, just more questions!  Now we hear that you're under the gun in your personal life because of all the time you spend here defending Cedu, MY GOOD WOMAN, YOUR COMPLETELY OBSESSED!

[ This Message was edited by: SON OF SERBIA on 2004-07-28 14:24 ]

CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / My intentions
« on: July 28, 2004, 05:02:00 PM »
Are you Kidding? Do you really need her to answer? If Ottawa caught her son smoking pot, she would cut off his funds, make her son move back home,ground him to his room, make him attend AA meetings everyday, see a therapist 3 days a week, go to church every sunday,and forbid him from speaking to his friends or girls. As an added bonus, Ottawa will be constantly in her son's face bossing him around and reminding him that he is  a drug addicted, stupid, selfish, perverted, evil,dirty, and aweful person, and that only she can save him. And if Ottawa's son makes one peep in protest against his maltreatment, Ottawa will no doubt back up her threats to call the police and say that her son beat her.  Then he get's arrested & sent to county jail, where he will be anally raped as punishment for his insolence! (Ottawa will also consistantly remind her son of these "consequences" as well)

But it's all just part of the strict dicipline and "confrontational communication" that Ottawa learned from cedu, and loves so much.
Isn't that right Ottawa5?

[ This Message was edited by: SON OF SERBIA on 2004-07-28 14:04 ]

CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / My intentions
« on: July 28, 2004, 01:45:00 PM »
Ottawa 5,

 I'm assuming that your son is already in his 20's.  You just said that your son had to set up a web page with photos, web cameras, maps, and daily reports, which he had to update every day, just so mommy would let him attend college abroad!  MY GOD, YOU ARE A TOTAL CONTROL FREAK!!! I mean here the poor kid has an opportunity of a lifetime, and he can't even enjoy it because you have monitor his every movement!!!

Ottawa, I don't believe for a second that setting up a 24 hour surveilance on himself was your sons idea, especially since somebody had to be paying the bills for him to live and attend school overseas, (you of course). Knowing how much you worship cedu, I bet you even made him sign an agreement before signing the tuition check. Ottawa, you have your son so whipped that HE CAN'T EVEN GET LAID IN HIS OWN ROOM WITHOUT YOU WATCHING HIM!!!  :lol:

Ottawa, you love cedu so much because they whipped your son into your own personal obedient little puppie, thus insuring your own place as the dominant influence on his life.  I have no doubt that Ottawa5 will one day pick her son's wife for him, someone ottawa feels is worthy to hold his leash once she's gone.  Ottawa, your son is NOT someone who never backs down or who always stands up For himself, HE CAN'T EVEN STAND UP TO YOU!!!  Ottawa you are nothing more than a TOTALITARIAN CONTROL FREAK, it's so obvious now.  Ottawa, this is not the site for you, but please stay, it's funny watching the bitch come out more and more as you realize that NO ONE HERE AGREES WITH YOU!

As for Ottawa's Son, it's no wonder why
"Mr. Self-Surveilance" cedu sheep doesn't post on this forum, WE WOULD TEAR HIM APART!!!  you don't believe me Ottawa, then prove me wrong.  BRING YOUR SPINELESS,PUSSY WHIPPED, CEDU SHEEP SON ONTO THIS SITE!!!

please don't not refer to me as "deranged", i prefer the term "eccentric".  And i am not a biggot either, check my posts, you will see that i haven't called anyone a faggot.
being that i run my own business,own my own house, and live a fairly comfortable life, i don't think that my mind is "pathetic" either.

that all being said, TOUGHEN UP ALREADY AND STOP BITCHING ABOUT STUPID SHIT like words already.  a word only has as much power as you give it. The world is full of haters, biggots, and angry people, YOU SHOULD ALL KNOW THAT BY NOW!!!  of course some of the postings on this site will reflect that! QUIT YOUR DAMN CRYING AND GET OVER IT!

Former Cedu therapist, perhaps i came on a bit too harsh before, sorry about that, but you can't just expect them to edit out the posts which you find offensive, THAT'S CENSORSHIP!
if people are censored here, then this site
will be just as bad as cedu.

[ This Message was edited by: SON OF SERBIA on 2004-07-26 13:56 ][ This Message was edited by: SON OF SERBIA on 2004-07-26 13:58 ]

CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / Cookies and cache
« on: July 23, 2004, 07:30:00 PM »
Alright ottawa, i accept that you are not the person that i suspected you were, but you might as well be, because if Pat Savage was here, I bet that her views would mirror yours.  truth be told, i think bryan is right, you are in denial.

Reading your posts on this topic, i get the impression that in your mind you logically divide cedu survivors into two groups: those who view the experience as positive, and those of us with who view the experience as negative. Of course you view your experience as positive, and when discussing cedu schools, it is clear that you defend the positive experience. you defend your own, all fine and dandy.  what bothers me, is that it is becoming all too clear that you view the split between the 2 experiences as being 50/50 (50% view cedu positively, 50% view it negatively).  YOU ARE DEAD WRONG!

Having spent 1 year and 7 months at CEDU "highschool" (it is not really a school by any stretch of the imagination), i witnessed 3 graduations, and the largest peer group that ever i saw graduate had 7 people.  Please bear in mind that peer groups when formed usually have between 15 and 20 people. i also know for a fact that 2 of the peer groups that i saw graduate had combined at some point (2 peer groups combined together to create 1, this was done because either 1 or both peer groups had too few students due to run aways, expulsions, etc.) By all accounts that i have heard, this practice is typical of all cedu schools.  Bryan Felscher graduated right before i split for the final time.  when i first came to cedu, Bryan's peer group had just combined with the one above it, and they had 21 students.  Bryan's graduating class consisted of 5 students! i've read some of CEDU's bullshit sales literature, which boasts that 80-90% of Cedu graduates go on to college.  A more accurate (and by far more truthful) statistic would state that out of all the students who attended Cedu, only 15%-20% (this is a very generous assessment on my part) actually finish the program.  if you don't believe me, do the math yourself, or better yet ask your son or any of the other posters on this site!!! i know that they will all agree with me!

You seem like an educated and intelligent person, i'm sure you would agree with me that the students like myself who left early (who either ran away and lived on the streets, were sent to lock ups & mental hospitals, or who were fortunate enough that their parents figured out that cedu is a big waste of money and pulled them out) do not view cedu in a positive light.
Furthermore, many of the posters on this sight, such as bryan felscher for example, are cedu graduates, and are just as disgusted with cedu as the rest of us. what is the point of all this?
my point is that you, your son, and everyone else who views cedu as a positive experience, are a minority! and not just a minority, but a great, big, huge, gigantic,larger than life, minority!!! yet you do not acknowledge this, and in fact, you continue to defend much of what Cedu does!  this proves to me beyond any shadow of doubt that: YOU ARE IN DENIAL!!!

Another thing, you often speak of your own "emotional growth" experiences at cedu in a manner that to me, suggests that you believe that your experiences is on par with the rest of ours; meaning that, it seems that you believe that you understand what we went through.  YOU HAVEN'T GOT A CLUE WHAT WE WENT THROUGH! i don't care what your son told you, even if you have heard every minute detail, at best it is all second hand information.  And please don't compare the parent workshops to our profeets. luxery hotel suites, gourmet meals, and cocktail hour, coupled by the fact that the 24hr. profeet experience is stretched out over a 2-3 day period, with no raps: THIS IS NOT THE CEDU WE EXPERIENCED!!!!!!

As for your beleif that the confrontational methods used by cedu staff has theraputic value, again, YOU HAVEN'T GOT A CLUE!!!   there is no communication in raps.  Staff Members gather their attack dogs together, and scream at,
threaten, ridicule, and completely degrade
people until they have a complete emotional break down, in order to force confessions from them!  you have no idea of the kind of pressure that they put on you.  Many kids at cedu who really never did anything wrong, end up making things up, thinking that staff will leave them alone if they just say something, THEY DON'T LEAVE YOU ALONE!  whatever you tell them, they use it to label you somehow, and then they continue to use that against you, day after day after day!  i love life, and i never, ever, considered suicide before i went to cedu.  i never considered suicide after i left cedu.  but while i was at cedu, i thought about killing myself every single day!  That is what cedu did to my head!  As I understand it, your son's school RMA, actually did drive some poor kid to kill himself. Does that sound theraputic to you?  HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU DEFEND THAT?  

What really scares me is that you want to someday start your own school, and apparently you are considering using some of cedu's methods. :scared: PLEASE, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, LIFE, CHILDREN, OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT YOU HOLD DEAR, DO NOT USE CEDU AS AN EXAMPLE!!!  confrontation does not breed communication. think about your psychology courses, what they teach you. in nature, when an animal(yes human beings are animals, even though most of us think we're better than them)is forcibly confronted,there are 3 natural physical responses --- fight, flight (run away),and freeze (scared stiff).
i'm sure you agree that fighting is not a productive way to communicate (i guess it is if your message is leave me alone, i hate you, or i want to hurt or kill you).  it's virtually impossible to talk with someone while they're running away from you.  And people who are scared stiff either won't say anything, or they will say whatever they think you want to hear to escape the situation.  this is not productive communication.

the way to successfully communicate with people is to be honest, sincere, curtious, and respectful to them. Respect their privacy, keep your conversations between the two of you, it's no one elses business anyways.  listen to what they have to say, don't ridicule them, or insult their ideas and beliefs. Respect that others have the right to their own opinion, treat them as equals. Let them know that you are here to help, but only if they want it. be patient. in time they will come to trust you, and will open up to you.  this is how to communicate with people, and this is exactly the opposite of what cedu does!!!

Ottawa, you've been around a lot longer than I have, you should know all of this.  please, before you go on another one of your rants defending yourself and saying how we all misunderstand you, at least think about what I am saying.  Everyone can talk, it's easy, but it takes real skill to actually listen.

it seems to me that the only people who would be offended by the posts on these pages are cedu sheep who are in denial...someone like, i don't know, maybe a FORMER CEDU THERAPIST!  i got a solution for you, if you don't like our posts, then how about this: GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE!!!!  ::soapbox::


CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / New CEDU lawsuit
« on: July 19, 2004, 04:42:00 PM »
i agree that a criminal conviction is the most effective way to damage cedu, no doubt about it, however, it is very difficult to obtain such convictions, especially against companies with the kind of money and connections that cedu has.

the problem is that the burden of proof lies on the state, and unfortunately, many of us have been removed from cedu for a number of years now.  remember that to be convicted of a criminal charge, one must be proven guilty beyond a resonable doubt.  the staff who abused us may no longer work at cedu, we had no real way to document what was happening to us, and cedu certainly didn't document it. furthermore, we all know the ways that staff fucked with our heads and abused our minds, unfortunately, that doesn't always mean that what was done to us falls under the strict legal definition of criminal abuse.  i wouldn't be surprised if mel wasserman had a whole team of legal experts reviewing his brainwashing methods and techniques to determine how far he could go, and what he can "legally" get away with.  no matter how true our stories are, proving that to a court of law is a whole different matter.

as a business owner myself, i am aware that companies are sued all the time, and usually end up in settlements.  i've been sued myself.  the difference in a civil case is that the standard of proving guilt beyond a resonable doubt doesn't apply here. to the contrary, the prosecution usually only has to prove that enough doubt exists regarding the defendant's innocence. speaking from experience, i would argue that the burden of proof is harder on the defendant rather than the plaintiff.  Not only does the defense have to provide enough evidence showing that the allegations against them are false, you also have prove that the other party is suing you for the wrong reasons (why they are really out to get you).  again, speaking from experience, this is usually very costly and difficult to do...that is the reason why most companies settle, it's cheaper just to pay someone off, than it is to spend the time and resources needed to prove them a liar.

obviously the victory of settling out of court is nothing compared to obtaining a criminal conviction, but there are a few things worth mentioning.  first, in the eyes of public opinion, a defendant who settles out of court is almost always viewed as directly or indirectly admitting their guilt...why else would they have settled? secondly, once a defendent like cedu settles, they are automatically inviting future lawsuits.  remember that each time cedu settles, the fact that they settled adds weight to any future claims of a similar nature against them. third, just about every company i ever heard of pays some kind of liability insurance to cover the costs of any future judgements against them.  each time cedu pays a settlement, their insurance premiums go up, thus so does their cost of doing business.  If cedu has to jack up their prices, then they run the risk of alienating more families who can't afford their "services", and they risk further pissing off the parents who already feel their getting ripped off at cedu, leading them to consider pulling their kids out.

one last thing, remember that every complaint, judgement, and settlement against cedu becomes a matter of public record.  the more negative information about cedu we have available , the better the chances that parents who research the school will decide against sending their kids there.

of course we should help the police convict cedu of criminal abuse.  it is our duty to speak up and let the cops know what was done to us. those of us who were at cedu know they abused us and deserve to pay for their crimes.  our ultimate goal should be muliple criminal convictions.  but all of us should welcome and celebrate every little victory we get against cedu, even the small court settlements that don't seem to mean much now, but may add up up to something bigger in the future.

[ This Message was edited by: SON OF SERBIA on 2004-07-19 13:44 ][ This Message was edited by: SON OF SERBIA on 2004-07-19 13:46 ]

CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / New CEDU lawsuit
« on: July 19, 2004, 03:20:00 PM »
even big corporations will think twice about sponsoring a school that becomes a liability. if cedu gets it's ass kicked enough times in court, it will draw attention and the media will eventually catch on, anyone funding cedu will be forced to think twice before throwing their money away on losing ventures!

Of course people who have information should tell the san bernardino police department, but that doesn't mean former students who have a case shouldn't sue.  And why not make a few bucks off of cedu if we can, just think about all the money they conned from our parents.

Why should the Wassermans get to keep all that money?

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