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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Post your favorite thing about programs
« on: October 04, 2010, 10:25:36 AM »
Favorite thing about programs? Are you fucking kidding me, Max?  Do you really enjoy
being abused that much?  Man they really did one hell of a job on you! I don't think they
could've gotten a more compliant sheep, even if they lobotomized Max's brain, put it in
the blender at high speed, and poured the contents back into his skull.

Max , my favorite thing about the program was GETTING THE FUCK OUT OF THERE!
Programs are not fun places.  Leaving the Program is/was the ONLY favorable thing
about it.

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The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy / Re: Ridge Creek School - Serious Safety Issues/ORS Violation
« on: September 30, 2010, 01:45:48 PM »
Quote from: "Whooter"

  You will notice that when you come onto fornits you dont see anymore attack threads by Dysfunction Junction, Troll Control or RobertBruce and all their Sock-puppets.  We had endless threads on "TheWho is John Rueben",  "Whooters lies" etc..  No one really cared to read them but they dominated the forum and when new posters came to fornits they were subjected to posters claiming to expose other posters names, email addresses.  ...


Actually, Whooter - I took great interest in reading about what a dishonest, whack-job
you are!

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Can people be forced to change?
« on: September 30, 2010, 01:38:14 PM »
This is a great topic.  My answer to this question is NO - you can't force people to change.
It's possible to force compliance, but that's not the same thing as changing.   You can't force someone to change, especially if they don't want to.  Change must be completely voluntary, period!  

Speaking from my own personal experience, trying to force another person to change
(when they don't want to) will only reinforce their resistance to it.  At best you can lay out the facts, weigh out the pros and cons, & do your best to explain your case to another person why changing would benefit them. That's all you can do.  Ultimately, the decision of whether to change or not to change belongs to the individual in question.  It's their choice to make, and their choice alone.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Whooter and the hotlines
« on: September 30, 2010, 01:19:36 PM »
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Botched Programming"
I agree 100% Hedge... Most programs for teens have a way of manipulating a child not to say anything in fear of some type of reprise over trying to tell. Early on in the program a child don't even get to have 1 on 1 visits with their families unless a more senior child in the program is there listening to the conversation. Then if the child makes any type of remark about how they are being abused the more senior child basically tells staff that were attempting to manipulate their parents...Then staff at that point makes their life a real living nightmare.. Point blank a child should be able to tell a parent and advocate or somebody about the abuse without being censored and under surveillance while doing it so the parent or advocate can start looking into the issue for themselves... And yes the programs do not want any news getting ou as the child's parents noney is the life blood of the programs.. Imagine what would happen if the children had the freedom to tell about it.. There would be no programs.


 :tup:  :tup:  :tup:  :tup:

Same experience in Straight

Ditto.  I had the same experience at Cedu.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Fulshear Ranch Academy
« on: September 23, 2010, 02:10:33 PM »
Quote from: "Ursus"
Quote from: "Son Of Serbia"
Quote from: "Joel"
Fulshear Ranch Academy

http://www.fulshearranchacademy.com


I was curious, so I took a quick peek at the website - and I must admit - they definately
seem to have their shit together.

Assuming that everything posted there is true, here are a few things I saw on Fulshear's website that I like:

1.) They are staffed with qualified and licensed therapists/professionals.  Big Plus that
the staff actually have real training & education!

2.) They have a written game plan (forgive me I don't know the techinical term)
with a plausible completion goal, including specific milestones towards acheiving
that final goal.  I like the fact that the majority of the program focuses on helping
the client live on their own outside from the main facility, but still offers whatever
support they might need.  Fulshear seems intent on keeping their clients part of
the outside world during their time there, rather than isolating them from it
(highly unlike most programs I know of).

3.) The clientel are between 18-24 years old, which suggests to me that participatation
in the program is strictly voluntary, and as such the participants can pull themselves out
and leave anytime they want to.  I feel that personal choice is the single greatest factor
of determining whether therapy works or not.  If you don't really want to get better, then
no amount of therapy can help you.  Enrollment in any program should be strictly voluntary
for the participant.

4.) The program seems highly individualized, with each person progressing at their
own pace.  Huge plus!  Everyone is different. Therapy should be individualized to
meet each clients specific needs.

5.) I didn't see any red-flagg buzz-words like "emotional growth", "behavior modifiction", "Raps", "life springs","dianetics", "profeet", "dead/insane/in jail", or
any of the other cult-inspired, money-scamming, bullshit terms posted anywhere.

Again this is all based on my assumption that the website is being truthful; however,
based on what I've read: Fulshear definately seems to be the polar opposite of my own personal program hellhole - Cedu!
You can't be serious. This is an InnerChange program:

    Originally posted on 01 Mar 2009 in the SOLACIUM Holdings LLC thread:
    Quote from: "caringneighbor"
    I have found extensive information about "Solacium Fulshear Ranch" as they now sometimes call themselves. They have several alias's: Fulshear Ranch Academy, I-4 Investment Group, Solacium Fulshear LLC. While they tout themselves as a therapeutic ranch, they don't help these women at all. They instead have them brainwashed! The facility is not fenced, but the girls won't leave because they believe that if they leave they have nowhere to go.

    I wouldn't mind sharing notes and learning any info anyone might have...I have a 3-inch binder full of info on Fulshear Ranch Academy and the "goings'-on" so if you are interested, reply.
    [/list]



    Like I said in my first email - my earlier comments were based on the assumption that what I read at the Fulshear website was truthful.  I qualified my statement in this way, because the only information I'd seen re: Fulshear came from their website. If the website's information is fabricated, and Fulshear really is a mind-fuck factory in disquise - then obviously I don't support them.   I oppose any facility that brainwashes people.

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    The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Name One Good Program
    « on: September 22, 2010, 05:28:39 PM »
    Quote from: "Whooter"
    Quote from: "Botched Programming"
    Quote from: "Whooter"
    Quote from: "Botched Programming"
    Quote from: "Joel"
    Whooter this thread is a useless waste of cyberspace.  I wouldn't participate in this thread if I were you.  If you do decide to participate in this thread, Botch should specify the specific problem.  Is Botch referring to eating disorders, addictions, etc?



    Maybe my question is too simple for complicated minds.. Just name programs you youself approve or you think are good programs... Damn it is so simple

    All the programs are good, Botched.  I think this is the point you are missing.  There may be people who work for various programs who are bad and there may be programs which went bad over time, but I think we can all agree that programs are essentially good and are designed to help people.

    I think one of the issues people have is they had a bad experience in a program and mistakenly think that everyone has the same experience they did which we all know is impossible.



    ...


    I see the fact is you can not answer the question and give the names of the programs because you don't know any !!!!


    Well I did answer your question, Botched,  so we agree that all programs are good at the onset.  I think the next step should be to look at staff members.  I dont think the same can be said about them.  I am sure there are staff members who are less than good and their actions can give programs a bad name.



    ...


    Whooter, you're being childish. Just name one specific program (other than ASR), which
    you think is good.  No need to overcomplicate this.  Name one fucking place, the request
    is simple enough.  Joel already named several places - why can't you name a single one Whooter?

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    The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Name One Good Program
    « on: September 22, 2010, 05:03:17 PM »
    Quote from: "Joel"
    Fulshear Ranch Academy

    http://www.fulshearranchacademy.com


    I was curious, so I took a quick peek at the website - and I must admit - they definately
    seem to have their shit together.

    Assuming that everything posted there is true, here are a few things I saw on Fulshear's website that I like:

    1.) They are staffed with qualified and licensed therapists/professionals.  Big Plus that
    the staff actually have real training & education!

    2.) They have a written game plan (forgive me I don't know the techinical term)
    with a plausible completion goal, including specific milestones towards acheiving
    that final goal.  I like the fact that the majority of the program focuses on helping
    the client live on their own outside from the main facility, but still offers whatever
    support they might need.  Fulshear seems intent on keeping their clients part of
    the outside world during their time there, rather than isolating them from it
    (highly unlike most programs I know of).

    3.) The clientel are between 18-24 years old, which suggests to me that participatation
    in the program is strictly voluntary, and as such the participants can pull themselves out
    and leave anytime they want to.  I feel that personal choice is the single greatest factor
    of determining whether therapy works or not.  If you don't really want to get better, then
    no amount of therapy can help you.  Enrollment in any program should be strictly voluntary
    for the participant.

    4.) The program seems highly individualized, with each person progressing at their
    own pace.  Huge plus!  Everyone is different. Therapy should be individualized to
    meet each clients specific needs.

    5.) I didn't see any red-flagg buzz-words like "emotional growth", "behavior modifiction", "Raps", "life springs","dianetics", "profeet", "dead/insane/in jail", or
    any of the other cult-inspired, money-scamming, bullshit terms posted anywhere.

    Again this is all based on my assumption that the website is being truthful; however,
    based on what I've read: Fulshear definately seems to be the polar opposite of my own personal program hellhole - Cedu!

    53
    CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / Re: Article by Rudy Bentz
    « on: September 22, 2010, 08:50:04 AM »
    Quote from: "Loli"
    Jill is an artist there.  (But come on Serb, did you mind when she grabbed your ass? Ha!)

    Truthfully, yes and no.  I do admit that sometimes it turned me on, especially since after months & months & months of no sex - I was happy with anything I could get.  However, I never found Jill  to be particularly attractive - I know there were other guys at Cedu who did,
    I guess we all have our own specific standards of beauty.  Also, I felt weird about being fondled by a woman who is older than my own mother.  To some extent I enjoyed Jill grabbing my ass, but to that same extent I was really creeped out by it.

    54
    CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / Re: staff members facebooks anyone?
    « on: September 21, 2010, 04:17:11 PM »
    Quote from: "Joel"
    Quote from: "Son Of Serbia"
    Quote from: "Joel"
    Did you know Doug Kim Brown?

    Doug Kim Brown - Former Headmaster of Cedu RS later at RMA.  I know of him.
    I never had the displeasure of meeting him, however, I hear the guy was a
    total FUCK PIG.

    He suggested I join the Marines because I needed more structure after RMA.  Bear in mind I had epilepsy.  He disclosed a telephone discussion between my legal guardians and myself during rap call offs.  Judy R., the student who was monitoring the phone call, reported it [to whom I don't know].  He was keen on children doing "the work they needed to do in raps."  CEDU folk knew what that meant.  Screaming at the floor, snot bubbles dripping onto a pile of tissue and blood vessels popping in their eyes.

    Yeah that settles it, Doug Kim Brown definately is a TOTAL FUCK PIG.  I

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    CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / Re: Article by Rudy Bentz
    « on: September 21, 2010, 04:05:45 PM »
    I know this is an old thread - but honestly I still can't believe anyone could take
    a sadist like Rudy Bentz seriously, let alone waste space printing what this freak
    has to say.

    I've heard Rudy explain how he ran over a man and killed him while drunk
    driving. I heard Rudy describe in detail how he used to fill a small milk carton with
    raw chicken livers, stick his dick in the hole, and then fuck the thing until
    the carton fell apart in his hands.  I watched Rudy (then in his 40's) groping 15 year
    old girls at Cedu on a daily basis.  I saw Rudy call the entire "houses attention"
    (everyone at cedu) and then he proceded to read off a list of adolescent cedu boys
    who he "knew" had the smallest dicks.  Rudy Bentz is a bad person (if he even qualifies
    as a person), make no mistake about it.

    I watched that piece of shit bully, intimidate, demean, and humiliate kids day in and day
    out for 18 months. Rudy would stand inches from a kids face, screaming & spitting all
    over them.  The man had absolutely no respect for anyone else's personal boundaries.  He
    was a self-centered, egotistical, arrogant, know-it-all fuck, and apparantly he felt fully entitled to treat other human beings (notably children) like dumb animals, actually even
    worse than that.

    One time when we were alone in the library, Rudy actually tried to manhandle me
    because I was refusing to report to my "work assignment".  That didn't work out
    too well for Rudy, I slammed him into a bookshelf and he backed the fuck off real
    quick.  Ultimately, I ended up on a full time for doing that (and some other things
    too).  Still, I enjoyed myself - my only regret is that I didn't really cut loose on Rudy
    when I had the chance, and beat him into a bloody pulp.  Seriously, I was only 14
    at the time - legally not even responsible for my actions, so I doubt they could've
    put me in Juvie more than 6 months for that.  And since Rudy attacked me first,
    maybe I could've even gotten off. It would've totally been worth it.  Oh well, I
    digress on what could've been.

    I could go on & on about what a monster Rudy Bentz is.  How he's completely devoid
    of character, any sense of decency, and humanity what-so-ever. Rudy's a fucking
    psycho and he has no place being near anyone's children.  Thank God at least that
    he has no off-spring of his own.  I am comforted by this fact that Rudy's personal
    legacy of cruelty ends with him.

    56
    CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / Re: staff members facebooks anyone?
    « on: September 21, 2010, 03:14:06 PM »
    Quote from: "Joel"
    Did you know Doug Kim Brown?

    Doug Kim Brown - Former Headmaster of Cedu RS later at RMA.  I know of him.
    I never had the displeasure of meeting him, however, I hear the guy was a
    total FUCK PIG.

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    The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Dead, insane, or in jail
    « on: September 21, 2010, 03:06:53 PM »
    Quote from: "Botched Programming"
    Hey guys we keep running round and round and getting nowhere with the battle of programs are bad, let's give Who, Max, and Danny the opportunity to tell us which programs are good since they are stuck on the one track.

    C'mon man - isn't it obvious?  Those Bozos think ALL programs are good.  They've all been effectively programmed - that's the problem.   Additionally, Whooter's a sadist who hates children anyways & believes they should have no rights at all.

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    Synanon / Re: Bill Lane and Will Laughlin, former CEDU staff
    « on: September 17, 2010, 01:44:14 PM »
    Quote from: "Ursus"
    Quote from: "Eliscu2"
    I suppose there is no chance that this writer will be telling the "other side of the story" ::)
    You got it. Amazingly, neither the author nor his subject mention their years as staff at CEDU, not to mention the influence of Mel Wasserman. Bill Lane and Wasserman were allegedly good friends, "back in the day"...

    See also the Bill Lane interview titled, "BIGGER THAN LIFE: A personal journey into the history of CEDU," posted in the 'synanon cedu and the seed' thread.


    He wasn't just another Cedu staff.  Bill Lane was President of Cedu Running Springs while I was there during the early nineties. After Bill left in 1992, another Synanon Lifer: Jim Powell took over as President of CEDU-RS.  

    Another interesting fact that the article doesn't mention : Bill Lane only wears long sleeve shirts - because both of his arms are covered with jail-house tatoos.  Bill is very ashamed of this, which is why he never wears a t-shirt or short sleeves out in public.

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    The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy / Re: Ridge Creek School - Serious Safety Issues/ORS Violation
    « on: September 17, 2010, 12:59:02 PM »
    Quote from: "RobertBruce"
    Quote
    I just stated that I have read the ORS reports about the abuse inside the programs. I have always maintained that abuse occurs in programs as it does everywhere else. I just dont believe that all programs are abusive.

    Fair enough. What programs do you believe are currently abusive? Easier yet, what specific postings claiming abuse made on here by people who were placed in programs, say within the last 15 years, do you believe? And why?

    @Whooter

    You never really answered Robert's questions.  What programs do you believe are abusive?
    Also, since you mentioned the ORS reports (instead of answering Robert's question about the posts), are you acknowledging that these reported incidents of abuse are indeed factual?

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    The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Is Jail better than a program?
    « on: September 16, 2010, 05:32:35 PM »
    Quote from: "RTP2003"
    Drugs are better than jail.   Drugs are also better than a program.  Kinky sex is good, too.


    :cheers: that's the best comment I've read on this thread.  Drugs are way better than
    Programs or Jail, and Kinky Sex (the hetero kind) RULES!

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