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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones => Topic started by: Anonymous on December 06, 2005, 02:14:00 AM
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Caroline used to own a school called Second Nature in Utah...and then she was fired because she was always drunk. During that time she lived with Nicole Bailey...do you guys remember her?
They were always together when they worked at RMA...She did start the school in Maine with Jackie...but she isn't working there anymore. They removed her from the faculty list in like 2003..I heard that she moved back to L.A. but I'm not sure. She was with some guy over in Maine but they broke up a few years back.
Caroline was only fake homophobic. I know of a couple of students that she slept with...and they weren't only guys. I also heard that she had a thing with Nicole going on, and Matt, and that is one of the reasons that she was let go.
I JUST CUT AND PASTED THIS FROM THE CAROLINE THE WOLF TOPIC.... I HEARD SOME OF THESE RUMORS AS WELL. I ALWAYS THOUGHT NICOLE WAS A HUGE DYKE. SHE WAS ALWAYS LAUGHING AND JOKING AROUND ABOUT SEX WITH THE GIRLS. SHE ALWAYS GAVE US "SEX TALKS" AND POINTERS ABOUT SEX.
I HEARD THAT SHE GOT IN TROUBLE UP IN IDAHO FOR SOMETHING TO DO WITH A KID. ANYBODY KNOW ANYTHING?
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who got in trouble? Nicole or Caroline?
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I remember reading about that. It happended like in Sandpoint or something. Nicole got caught fucking a couple of her students. and they mentioned something about emotional abuse. I laughed my ass off because it didnt surprise me coming from RMA :wstupid:
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When Caroline/Jenny was a student at Cedu R.S. she seemed very close to another girl there but I have no concrete evidence on that one.
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Caroline Wolf_r4 owned a school?
Now that may be the most ridiculous thing I've seen on this site.
what a distgustingly trashy slouch!
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i was looking for the "caroline the wolf" thread but this will do. i talked to one of my little sisters from RMA tonight, one that was taken under caroline's wing, so she had a little more info than i had originally thought. apparently caroline had to be carried out of the school that she and barbara walter's daughter opened, went to the betty ford clinic for being a huge alcoholic, and last my friend heard was running from the law because matt from philly's mom is still suing her for sleeping with her son (who was 15 at the time) even though now he apparently runs his business from cuba. who knew?
people are strange.
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It pisses me off that Jackie would be irresponsible enough to hire Caroline at her own school knowing that C. abused students at RMA. DISGUSTING! There is no way Jackie didn't know. Sick fucks.
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I have seen so many threads about this woman that I have decided to have an article ordered on Fornits Wiki and here it is: Caroline Wolf (http://http://www.fornits.com/wiki/index.php/Caroline_Wolf)
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good call. i'll add what i can.
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I just looked at some old pictures of Nicole -- the "Niccole Bayley" on the website is not the Nicole Bailey that went to RMA.
M
Check out www.niccolebayley.com (http://www.niccolebayley.com) It is her website, and here are the words to one of her songs that she wrote about the girl that turned her in. There are a couple more on there about her as well....its sick!
Don't try to scold me
Try to mold me into what you want
Don't lie pull the wool over my eyes
Try to crucify by being blunt
I know what you did
You were just a kid
And you got off
Consciousness is a funny thing
You'll pay the price
For the pain you bring
And some how you'll keep runnin'
And some how you're gonna get what's commin' to you
And some how I'll make my way
Regardless, of what you say!
I have had enough
They couldn't see it
To call your bluff
They stand in line
Just to make you afraid
Make you feel guilty
Manipulated and betrayed
And anything looks bad in the wrong light
Twisted and bent they try with all their might
Cause they are loosing sight
They just can't see
And anything looks bad in the wrong light
Twisted and bent they try with all their might
Cause they are loosing sight
They just can't see
No they just can't see
It's their reality
They just can't see
To let me be
Just let me be
It's pretty disturbing where she is singing about a kid getting off....
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I just looked at some old pictures of Nicole -- the "Niccole Bayley" on the website is not the Nicole Bailey that went to RMA.
M
In the interest of The Truth -- since it would not be thinkable to target an innocent person for the sins of another, based simply on a similarity in names -- here are some facts stated about "Niccole Bayley" from her website, mostly from the section titled "Press." Perhaps someone more familiar with the "Nicole Bailey" from RMA could weigh in, one way or the other, as to the compatibility of these data with the person they remember.
• Niccole Bayley is ~36 according to one review (the review mentioned both of her CDs so it is probably relatively recent).
• Bayley is quite short, not much more than 5 ft. tall.
• Bayley hails originally from Columbus, NJ.
• One of Bayley's songs, "Sweet Wyoming," is about time she spent at Teton Valley Ranch Camp, first as attendee, later as counselor. This place does not appear to be a behav mod facility, although I could be wrong, and it could have changed. See the following links for some perspective:
TVR Camp - Camp Management (http://http://www.tvrcamp.org/index.cfm?id=campmanagement)
http://www.ranchweb.com/tetonvalley/ (http://www.ranchweb.com/tetonvalley/)
Summer Camp Jobs - Teton Vally Ranch Camp - Wyoming (http://http://www.coolworks.com/camp/tvrc/default.htm)
Famed Wyoming Ranch Offered for Sale (http://http://www.nationaltrust.org/magazine/archives/arch_story/120501.htm)
In the interest of full disclosure, I should probably mention that the current Assistant Director of TVRC spent 3 yrs teaching at Hyde School. Many young, well-meaning souls end up duped into spending a few years at Hyde; they usually do not last long. Tom Marshall's case would appear to be no exception.
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After Caroline "left" Second Nature wilderness program she was working with a man out of L.A.named John Hallworth or Hayworth.Caroline and John were escorting kids to programs.During that time Caroline was living in the basement apartment of Nicole Bailey's house in Sandpoint.I heard that she was a mess during this time.There is much more to the Caroline/Jackie and Barbra Walter's relationship.
We have to remember that Caroline is also a victim/product of the twisted world of cedu.
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more info please, years and such. and yeah, she was a product of the CEDU environment but she also made a conscious coward's choice to be at rma. as far as i know and i've heard she served no greater good. made a choice to make kid's lives as miserable as posible, just like hers. fuck, take your aggression out elsewhere please, go join a kickboxing class or something, go take your anger out somewhere else. she was such a HUGE bitch, to those that didn't make it into her family, and those she let into her family drug ran and fucked her. whatever. she gets no sympathy from me. i could go back and be a counselor and i would be your best friend, not your worst enemy. i don't know why intimidation was what she thought her best weapon was. christ, what a lunatic.
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The Niccole Bayley on the website is the Niccole Bayley that worked at RMA. I know this for a fact because I kept in touch with her long after she left RMA and started teaching at the Bonners Ferry High School. She became a P.E. teacher there, and was later fired for sleeping with TWO of her PE students, one of which was 14 when it started and the other was 16. She is also the one who had Caroline Wolf living in her basement. She worked at RMA from around 91 or 92 up until 95, maybe early 96. She started working at Bonners Ferry High school in 1996 and was fired in 2001. When she was at RMA she was really good friends with Caroline Wolf and Shannon Wilson.
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i never knew it was possible to post anonymous.
wasn't she married to a former student herself? That's pretty sick though, a couple of strange pedophiles those women were. Mean and stupid to top it all off.
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That is definately, and I mean DEFINATELY, the same Nicole that was at RMA in the mid-90's.
The second she stepped on campus, everyone from the students to the staff to the maintanance men took one look at her and thought - "oh, that will be new Caroline's new girlfriend".
munch.munch.munch....
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The Niccole Bayley on the website is the Niccole Bayley that worked at RMA. She worked there from around 1991 until 1995, then she quit and started work at Bonners Ferry High School in 1996. She was a PE teacher there, and she was fired in 2000 for sleeping with at least two of her students. Two students sued and one won a substantial settlement. Niccole then went off to persue her singing career. When she worked at RMA she hung out with Caroline, and Shannon Wilson. I knew her while she was at RMA and throughout her years and BFHS.
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She worked in Bonners Ferry as a gym teacher?
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Caroline is living in Lisa Sutton's condo at Schweitzer this summer.
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I just looked at some old pictures of Nicole -- the "Niccole Bayley" on the website is not the Nicole Bailey that went to RMA.
M
Also, Just to play devil's advocate "you were just a kid and you got off" could mean that she was just a kid and she got away with it (another meaning of "got off"). Minors cannot be tried as adults... that might be what she meant. If it's not the same Nicole, it would make sense.
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Caroline Wolf was a cunt when I was Rocky Mountain Academy from 91-93. It wouldn't surprise me she had sexual relations with a student in her crew. Tom Dun, Felix James, Sally Wong, Sam Sneed spent ALLOT of time with her.
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She is still in the Sandpoint area....seen her around town even talked to her a few times. Her little stupid ass pet project kids were probly all fucking eachother. Looking back at it now and hearing stories from living in the area curently, is a complete joke. Ya i agree Caroline is a fuckn cunt.............
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SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAD A BAD DAY GIA
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HI GIA,
THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF YOUR WRITING THAT MAKES YOU LOOK CRAAAAZY. THIS IS NOT A MENTALLY STABLE MIND. MENTALLY STABLE MINDS DO NOT THINK STUFF LIKE THIS ALL THE TIME, AND TAKE IT AS FAR AS WRITING IT ON THE PUBLIC INTERNET.
QUESTIONS FOR YOU
#1. ARE YOU SCREAMING FOR HELP HERE? BECAUSE WE ARE ALL LISTENING.
AND
#2. ON A SCALE FROM 1-10 (1 NOT SNAPPING AND 10 YES SNAPPING) HOW CLOSE ARE YOU FROM SNAPPING. LET ME DEFINE SNAPPING FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS QUESTION.
SNAPPING WOULD MEAN, TAKING THESE DANGEROUS THOUGHTS AND ACTUALLY DOING SOMEONE HARM THAT YOU SEE ON THE STREET.
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HI GIA,
THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF YOUR WRITING THAT MAKES YOU LOOK CRAAAAZY. THIS IS NOT A MENTALLY STABLE MIND. MENTALLY STABLE MINDS DO NOT THINK STUFF LIKE THIS ALL THE TIME, AND TAKE IT AS FAR AS WRITING IT ON THE PUBLIC INTERNET.
QUESTIONS FOR YOU
#1. ARE YOU SCREAMING FOR HELP HERE? BECAUSE WE ARE ALL LISTENING.
AND
#2. ON A SCALE FROM 1-10 (1 NOT SNAPPING AND 10 YES SNAPPING) HOW CLOSE ARE YOU FROM SNAPPING. LET ME DEFINE SNAPPING FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS QUESTION.
SNAPPING WOULD MEAN, TAKING THESE DANGEROUS THOUGHTS AND ACTUALLY DOING SOMEONE HARM THAT YOU SEE ON THE STREET.
I take it that little Miss Caps-a-Lock ... "snaps" ... a lot? :D
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HI GIA,
THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF YOUR WRITING THAT MAKES YOU LOOK CRAAAAZY. THIS IS NOT A MENTALLY STABLE MIND. MENTALLY STABLE MINDS DO NOT THINK STUFF LIKE THIS ALL THE TIME, AND TAKE IT AS FAR AS WRITING IT ON THE PUBLIC INTERNET.
QUESTIONS FOR YOU
#1. ARE YOU SCREAMING FOR HELP HERE? BECAUSE WE ARE ALL LISTENING.
AND
#2. ON A SCALE FROM 1-10 (1 NOT SNAPPING AND 10 YES SNAPPING) HOW CLOSE ARE YOU FROM SNAPPING. LET ME DEFINE SNAPPING FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS QUESTION.
SNAPPING WOULD MEAN, TAKING THESE DANGEROUS THOUGHTS AND ACTUALLY DOING SOMEONE HARM THAT YOU SEE ON THE STREET.
snapping.....how about acountability. i would love to slap the shit out of a few staff and students from my RMA days.....
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OH! SNAP!
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OH! SNAP!
I am no fool!!!!! so who are U???
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I am all for slapping former transgressors. I was seconding your comment about accountability. :deal: :soapbox:
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I am all for slapping former transgressors. I was seconding your comment about accountability. :deal: :soapbox:
thank u... without accountability the behavior will continue..
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WE KNOW ALL THESE BLOGS ARE YOU GIA, ALL OF THEM. THESE SLANDEROUS ACCUSATIONS ARE ILLEGAL. SLANDER IS AN UNTRUTHFUL ORAL OR WRITTEN STATEMENT ABOUT A PERSON THAT HARMS THE PERSON'S REPUTATION OR STANDING IN THE COMMUNITY. WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO TAKE LEGAL ACTION AGAINST YOU FOR YOUR UNTRUE CLAIMS. EVERYONE YOU HAVE SLANDERED HERE HAS THE RIGHT TO TAKE LEGAL ACTION AGAINST YOU. THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE YOU ARE SLANDERING ON A DAILY BASIS.
WE EXPECT YOU TO IMMEDIATELY CEASE SLANDERING
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WE think YOU should go suck a dick at the police station. :jawdrop:
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She is still in the Sandpoint area....seen her around town even talked to her a few times. Her little stupid ass pet project kids were probly all fucking eachother. Looking back at it now and hearing stories from living in the area curently, is a complete joke. Ya i agree Caroline is a fuckn cunt.............
Here's hoping she isn't in a position to oversee kids. Do you know?
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She is still in the Sandpoint area....seen her around town even talked to her a few times. Her little stupid ass pet project kids were probly all fucking eachother. Looking back at it now and hearing stories from living in the area curently, is a complete joke. Ya i agree Caroline is a fuckn cunt.............
Here's hoping she isn't in a position to oversee kids. Do you know?
Two conflicting bits of info from the rumor mill...
1. She is working at a shell station in sandpoint (mentioned in a thread in this forum)
2. She is working as a kidnapper (escort) again. (mentioned to me by a friend)
both bits of information are strictly hearsay and should be regarded as such.
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WE KNOW ALL THESE BLOGS ARE YOU GIA, ALL OF THEM. THESE SLANDEROUS ACCUSATIONS ARE ILLEGAL. SLANDER IS AN UNTRUTHFUL ORAL OR WRITTEN STATEMENT ABOUT A PERSON THAT HARMS THE PERSON'S REPUTATION OR STANDING IN THE COMMUNITY. WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO TAKE LEGAL ACTION AGAINST YOU FOR YOUR UNTRUE CLAIMS. EVERYONE YOU HAVE SLANDERED HERE HAS THE RIGHT TO TAKE LEGAL ACTION AGAINST YOU. THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE YOU ARE SLANDERING ON A DAILY BASIS.
WE EXPECT YOU TO IMMEDIATELY CEASE SLANDERING
only slander if its not true oh wait...