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Firebird-  Maybe you have had certain experiences like you say, but the fact of the matter is that there are ALOT of people out there who have had some VERY bad experiences at Teen Challenge!  That is why I have started the Investigating Teen Challenge website.  

It is also a FACT that the VERY high drop-out rate for Teen Challenge is tremendous and it is ALSO a FACT that Teen Challenge is bragging about statistics that are from 1975, which was 32 years ago!  Those statistics were done on Teen Challenge graduates from 1968, which was  39 years ago!!!  Out of those 186 people, a total of 143 people dropped out of the Teen Challenge program!!!  Read:  http://http://teenchallengecult.blogspot.com/2007/02/teen-challenge-success-rates-are-from.html

Another problem (which is just one of the MANY problems that I have with Teen Challenge) is that each and every person who is an advocate for Teen Challenge (including each and every single Teen Challenge website) gives me the exact same biased information/story.  You all seem to be identical clones of one another and that not only creeps me out but it also spooks the heck out of ALOT of people!  Maybe you can't see that you do that, but everyone who has been reading your posts can see that!  And, I will be the first to say- I feel sorry for you!  Hopefully someday you will be able to step back and realize that all is not what it appears in the Teen Challenge world!

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Teen Challenge / Teen Challenge's Primary Purpose
« on: May 06, 2007, 08:42:34 PM »
This excerpt is from the Proselytizing Report: "Teen Challenge" -

"Mr. Soemo (Phoenix Center Director for "Teen Challenge") openly admitted that the primary purpose of Teen Challenge is the promotion of a specific religious belief system. He made it clear his focus is conversion."... "In conclusion, Teen Challenge represents a direct violation of the guidelines of our religious manual which preclude any "proselytizing."

An organization, which has as it's primary goal "confrontational evangelism," obviously has no place within ADOC religious programs. Unlike Christian denominations, which may contain an evangelical message within the context of their denominational liturgical service, this organization has confrontational evangelism as its stated goal and essentially its only function.

Chaplains throughout the ADOC are expected to facilitate religious programming in a neutral, non-biased manner. Teen Challenge therefore presents an obvious problem. Any chaplain who engages in facilitating a program for this organization could easily be seen as assisting in proselytizing."


You can read the entire article here:  http://http://www.rickross.com/reference/teen_challenge/teenchallenge1.html

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To learn more about Teen Challenge, I highly recommend paying a visit to the following websites:

"Investigating Teen Challenge"- at http://http://teenchallengecult.blogspot.com/

"Investigating Teen Challenge" Web Forum at- http://http://wwf.fornits.com/viewforum.php?f=57, which is now proudly hosted on Fornits Home for Wayward Web Fora Forum (http://http://fornits.com/wwf/index.php), which covers many of the Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform facilities! (This is the website you're on right now! :D )

"Teen Challenge Exposed" at- http://http://www.teenchallengeexposed.com/

A very active thread about Teen Challenge at-  http://http://www.topix.net/forum/city/minneapolis-mn/TN94VATH520HE9UQM#lastPost

Another thread on Teen Challenge at- http://http://www.topix.net/forum/blogs/TEV4TDE8D9LDKTISS

A Thread at The Bismarck Tribune - http://http://www.bismarcktribune.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=33

Many more opinions about Teen Challenge can be found here-  http://http://www.badsamaritan.com/archives/2001/10/the_teen_challenge_lady.php

Returning to Sanity - http://http://www.exchristian.net/testimonies/2006/02/returning-to-sanity.html

NEW: A new thread about Teen Challenge called- 'Subsidized Religion in MA' at Aces Full of Links- http://http://www.drmomentum.com/aces/archives/002976.html

NEW: The Texas Faith-Based Initiative at Five Years: Warning Signs as President Bush Expands Texas-style Program at National Level-http://http://www.tfn.org/files/fck/TFN%20CC%20REPORT-FINAL.pdf

(Note: If you cannot open the above pdf file, you can download the "Foxit Reader", which is a free PDF document viewer and printer.  http://http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_intro.php)

NEW: To learn more about the the faith-based initiative, go to Americans United for Separation of Church and State website- "The 'Faith-Based' Initiative- Churches, Social Services & Your Tax Dollars" http://http://www.au.org/site/News2?abbr=resources&page=NewsArticle&id=9051&security=1441&news_iv_ctrl=2422

NEW: Charitable Choice, Faith-Based Partnerships, and the Public Funding Of Religion- http://http://www.atheists.org/public.square/charitablechoice.html

NEW: A STARK TRUTH FOR POLICY MAKERS: DATA LACKING TO SUPPORT CLAIMS OF FAITH-BASED SOCIAL PROGRAM SUCCESS-http://http://www.atheists.org/flash.line/faith14.htm

NEW: Faith Without Works-http://http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2004/0410.sullivan.html

I am also posting the following web forum just in case someone feels it would suit them- , the Ex-Pentecostal Forum - http://http://p212.ezboard.com/bexpentecostalforums  

Note: You can read more about the Ex-Pentecostal Forum at the Association of Former Pentecostals - http://http://expentecostals.org/index.htm

ANOTHER OTHER GOOD READ:

JESUS ‘LOVE-BOMBS' YOU - By Chris Hedges. http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/jesus_love_bombs_you/

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Teen Challenge / Trying to figure out your angle
« on: May 06, 2007, 07:35:45 PM »
I'm sorry - but you obviously just cannot control your over-reactional nature long enough to read or think clearly!!!  That's too bad for you.  But oh well- at least there is a still whole world of people out there who can read and can think clearly!!!

G'Day!

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Teen Challenge / Trying to figure out your angle
« on: May 05, 2007, 10:41:23 PM »
Antigen's Ghost wrote:
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Nope! These days, if you can't find something about a primary affiliation that goes back a generation and a half between two very publicly known entities easily, it pretty much indicates focused effort at obfuscation.

Antigen's Ghost- That was very well said!


Firebird wrote:
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KArly, are you really so dim that you think because it is not mentioned on a website that there is some conspiracy to hide the fact that Teen Challenge is part of a well-respected denomination of the Christian faith?


And as for you Firebird- keep flinging your mean little words around!  It's very becoming to both you and Teen Challenge!

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Teen Challenge / To those who find this forum...
« on: May 05, 2007, 02:12:41 PM »
Firebird- instead of posting your version of what supposedly is 'supposed' to go on at Teen Challenge, read my reply to your topic at http://http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=259850#259850.

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Teen Challenge / Trying to figure out your angle
« on: May 05, 2007, 12:06:37 PM »
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Your website seems to make some revelation that TC is a home mission of the Assemblies of God. That's some great investigative work there.....considering that Teen Challenge has ALWAYS prided itself in being so and the AG has always prided itself in having TC as part of it's denomination. There's no great mystery there, nor is there any great mystery that it is Pentecostal based.

No great mystery there?  Well, not even one Teen Challenge website that I've been to says anything on it about being affiliated with the Assemblies of God church, including the entire main website at http://http://teenchallengeusa.com/. Obviously, you were 'born' knowing this but I wasn't aware of this fact until I really started digging around over on the Assemblies of God's website at http://http://ag.org/top/ to find the Teen Challenge link!  So, why are they hiding this 'fact' from the public anyway? That doesn't look like pride to me!  That looks more like Teen Challenge is hiding the fact that they are affiliated with the Assemblies of God and visa versa!

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Still waiting for a response, Karly. You were very quick to set up a blog attacking the Teen Challenge program, but as I see from another former TC family member's post, you don't seem to be in a hurry to learn the truth. The truth is, there's nothing to expose here.

There is nothing to expose?  Evidently you will not face the facts or stop sticking up for this program for five-minutes to read and analyze any of the facts that I have posted on my web blog "Investigating Teen Challenge" at http://http://teenchallengecult.blogspot.com/.  Obviously, you feel that you can butter up the Teen Challenge Program all you want to because that is what you were trained to do all those years!  Evidently all that training has left you very close-minded and bitter!  Do you even realize that a world outside of Teen Challenge exists???

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Teen Challenge is not communal.

If you are sheltered away from the real world every single day for an entire year in Teen Challenge, while having your phone calls monitored and your mail read AND only allowed visits from people who are 'approved' by Teen Challenge then you cannot tell me that you are not in an a place that reeks of a communal nature!  

And if you want to argue the fact that your mail isn't read, read this post that a Mpls. reverend has posted on http://http://www.topix.net/forum/city/minneapolis-mn/TN94VATH520HE9UQM/p7- Here is the post from 'rev' which was written on Monday Apr 30th, 2007:
 
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"Number 3 in this gives consent for TC to go through mail - one of my people who went through the program did not receive the regular mailings I sent from our church and was told he didn't get any mail. It seems rather strange that a group that professes to be Christian would cut its clients off from the Christian support of their church. I had worked with this person and encouraged him in his entry to TC - why would mail from us (a simple newsletter or church bulletin) be considered so corruptive that he was not allowed to receive it? And a couple times they sent the mail back to church marked "Unknown here" on it when he had been there almost a year at that time. Did they not even know the names of their clients? Again, as I said before, I would not encourage anyone to enter the program from what I have seen as its "results" of treatment."

and now read the post directly below it from Cherokee Lady, which was written on Tuesday, May 1st, 2007:
 
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"I moved my son out of TC Riverside into a secular rehab on Jan 2, 2007. I'm STILL getting some unopened letters back where they wrote "refused" on them.(they just now are sending them back I guess; ones I wrote over 6 mo. ago.) They completely withheld them, he never knew I had written him those letters. Mine also were letters of encouragement. I'll never donate another dime to this organization."

NOTE: 'Rev' is referring to Number 3 from Page 15 in this Teen Challenge application: http://http://www.saintlouistc.org/pdf/stltc-application.pdf

This is the excerpt from page 15 of the Saint Louis Teen Challenge Application:

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TEEN CHALLENGE OF ST. LOUIS
2650 Appletree Acres * P.O. Box 213 * High Ridge, MO 63049 *

STUDENT AGREEMENT

1. I have read the rules and consent to abide by all of them, whether I agree with them or not.

2. I will dedicate myself to the discipleship program until it is recognized by the Teen Challenge staff that I qualify for completion. I realize this is only possible by submitting to the Lordship of Jesus Christ and that I cannot do this in my own strength.

3. I release to Teen Challenge the right to search, read and withhold my mail in the manner explained in the rules.

4. I release to Teen Challenge the right to do a room search without warning.(Note: This is not done routinely, but only at times of definite cause.)

5. I release the right to Teen Challenge to make a thorough search of my person and belongings on the day of my admission.

6. I understand that withdrawal from drugs, alcohol, and cigarettes will be accomplished without medication (cold turkey), aided only by prayer. If this is not agreeable, withdrawal should be done prior to admission.

7. I understand that Teen Challenge will not be held responsible for any of my personal property left, lost, or stolen while I am in the Teen Challenge program. When leaving Teen Challenge, I understand that all my personal property must be taken with me.

8. I release Teen Challenge from all financial or legal responsibilities in case of accident, injury, illness or other misfortune.

9. I understand that I will not receive payment for the work I do while in the Teen Challenge program. I also understand that the purpose of this work is to aid in my character development.

10. I release the right to Teen Challenge to withhold any of my belongings that they deem necessary. Any items not specifically forbidden in the rules will be held for me until my departure.

11. I agree to submit to the authority of all staff members.

12. I understand that I have civil rights guaranteeing confidential communications by phone and mail, as well as exercising the religion of my choice. Teen Challenge is an evangelical Christian discipleship ministry for people with life controlling problems. As such, I realize and submit to the ministry’s expectations to attend Christian religious activities coordinated by the ministry. Further, for reasons of assisting me in dealing with my life controlling problem, I understand staff will regulate and monitor my communications for a period of time determined by staff. I voluntarily give my consent allowing staff to exercise these procedures. I fully understand my rights and what I am waiving.

13. I understand that the following grievance procedure shall be made available to me while participating in the Teen Challenge of St. Louis program: a) The right to seek remedy for any complaint; b) The right to submit a written complaint to my designated case manager; c) The right to grieve directly to any staff member; d) The right to direct access to the facility director and the government authority at some point in the grievance process; e) The right to submit a complaint in writing and to have assistance in writing the complaint if unable to read or write; f) The right for grievances to be resolved in a timely fashion generally within seven days.
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Applicant Signature Date

And while you are at it, take a good, long, hard look at #8!

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8. I release Teen Challenge from all financial or legal responsibilities in case of accident, injury, illness or other misfortune.

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Teen Challenge / To those who find this forum...
« on: May 03, 2007, 10:27:17 AM »
Your offer?  Offer for what?  To argue?  No thanks!

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Teen Challenge / To those who find this forum...
« on: May 03, 2007, 10:24:52 AM »
I'd also like to make another comment to your statement regarding how you say that:
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"Teen Challenge is largely run by former addicts"
 Please make note that Teen Challenge is also run by MANY ex-cons who did not do jail time and chose Teen Challenge instead!

Karly

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Teen Challenge / To those who find this forum...
« on: May 03, 2007, 10:20:47 AM »
For those who want to see that others have a problem with Teen Challenge, please check out the thread on Teen Challenge at Topix.net- http://http://www.topix.net/forum/city/minneapolis-mn/TN94VATH520HE9UQM

Karly

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Teen Challenge / Teen Challenge / Assemblies of God
« on: April 26, 2007, 10:26:18 AM »
You are free to post what you would like to say!

Karly

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Teen Challenge / Teen Challenge / Assemblies of God
« on: April 13, 2007, 05:59:17 AM »
How many of you are aware that Teen Challenge is part of a mission of the Assemblies of God Church?

If you didn't know that, I will prove it to you-  Go to The Assemblies of God website, which is located here:  http://http://ag.org/top/. On the menu on the left, put your cursor over the link that says- 'Missions'. Another menu will slide out to the right and then you will see 'U.S. Missions' Slide your cursor over to the right of that and you will see the 'Teen Challenge' link.  

Now, if you click on the Teen Challenge link that is located there (http://http://teenchallengeusa.com/), I want to know if any of you can find any reference to the Assemblies of God Church on any of those Teen Challenge web pages.  I couldn't seem to find any reference of that on any of the Teen Challenge web pages and I find that rather unsettling.  

What are your feelings about this?

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TEEN CHALLENGE HAS A PARENTAL RELEASE OF LIABILITY AGREEMENT!

This excerpt is taken from page 17 of this Teen Challenge Application:  http://http://www.mntc.org/pdf/LC_Adolescent.pdf

PARENTAL RELEASE OF LIABILITY AGREEMENT

"I/We, ______________________________________, parent(s), guardian(s), or conservator(s) of _____________________________, a minor child born on _______________, hereby agree that he/she can enroll in Minnesota Teen Challenge Academy (MTCA), a 12-month Christian residential rehabilitative program. I/We further agree that I/we relieve MTCA, its Staff, Employees, Students, and Board Members from any responsibility or liability for any damages to him or his property during his residence at MTCA or during any related travel and/or activities. I/We also agree to release, hold harmless, and relinquish all rights to pursue any cause of action whatsoever against MTCA, its Staff, Employees, Students, and Board Members if a student voluntarily leaves MTCA or for any damages incurred during his/her residence."

*Why would Teen Challenge require a parent to sign this? This is absurd!!! This truly opens the door to exploitation, mistreatment, and abuse!!!

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EVIDENTLY ADULT TEEN CHALLENGE PARTICIPANTS SIGN AWAY ALL THEIR RIGHTS TOO!

Excerpt from page 14 of the Saint Louis Teen Challenge Application http://http://www.saintlouistc.org/pdf/stltc-application.pdf:

"In consideration for the opportunity to obtain this counseling, I promise that I will not take any legal actions in the future for anything said, done, or omitted by my case manager, Teen Challenge of St. Louis, their agents, or family members during this case management program. I agree to hold Teen Challenge of St. Louis, their agents, and family members harmless for any legal claims of negligence or damage of any sort, which a person could assert, related to the Teen Challenge of St. Louis case management programs."

Excerpt from page 15 of the Saint Louis Teen Challenge Application:

"8. I release Teen Challenge from all financial or legal responsibilities in case of accident, injury, illness or other misfortune."


What are your feelings on this?

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Family members who have loved ones in Teen Challenge programs across the country have many unanswered questions. Many seem to be crying out for help because they are not able to find out how their loved ones are 'really' doing! Please read the side-bar on the right to read excerpts from some of the family members comments and questions. These excerpts are linked to the original website on my blog (Investigating Teen Challenge at http://http://teenchallengecult.blogspot.com/ that they were posted on, which is where you can read the full post.

Upon reading the excerpts and original posts, you will also realize that many people are complaining about many issues, including:

    * Teen Challenge staff are not returning phone calls to concerned family members.
   * Teen Challenge staff closely monitor conversations and visits so as not to allow the person who is in for treatment to be able to tell their family members exactly what is happening or has happened to them (or others) while in Teen Challenge.
    * Teen Challenge staff will actually disconnect telephone conversations when either party mentions something they do not think is appropriate.
    * Teen Challenge staff reprimands your loved one using various forms of punishment as discipline that you may not approve of.
    * Teen Challenge severely limits contact with the outside world during the entire one-year (or more) stay at Teen Challenge.
    * Teen Challenge staff have also been accused of physical, mental and spiritual abuse.
    * Very high drop-out rates that will completely change the publics perception of those incredibly high success rates that Teen Challenge continually boasts about.

It is also becoming quite clear to me that people are having a very hard time finding others who also have loved ones in Teen Challenge. You can only begin to imagine what they are also going through.

Are you a family member who has also been having a hard time getting questions answered about their program or keeping in contact with your loved one in Teen Challenge?

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