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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Hyde Schools => Topic started by: Lars on November 26, 2005, 03:48:00 PM
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I'd say the worst things I experienced there were...
1. FLCs/Family Weekends.
2. Performing Arts
3. Lousy academics
4. Sleep deprivation & the lack of free time to pursue anything not part of Hyde's program
5. Abusive/condescending/hypocritical faculty
6. "Brother's Keeper"
7. Public (in front of the whole student body) ridicule and humiliation and school meetings there in general
8. Wrestling and other sports where the emphasis on running/calisthenics until you puked ruined what could have been fun experiences
9. 2/4, attitude trips & other "attitude adjustment" activities involving pointless exercises.
10. Joe Gauld & the folks who really drank the Kool-Aid[ This Message was edited by: Lars on 2005-11-26 12:50 ]
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Lars,
Who are you?
It would really help us understand your postings!
I can't remember from your other posts...did you graduate?
Thanks!
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I spent a summer then three years at Hyde and graduated in 1990. I went to college and law school at Arizona State. I spent five years as a public defender and now have my own practice out in AZ.
I hadn't really thought much about Hyde for several years until one day I googled "hyde" and found this site. Sure brought back some lousy memories. But it's good to see that others feel the same way I do about the place.
Just got my pitch for the "annual fund." It went straight into the wastebasket. I only give money to ASU - I loved it there and they gave me quite a bit of academic scholarship money.
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On 2005-11-26 12:48:00, Lars wrote:
"I'd say the worst things I experienced there were...
1. FLCs/Family Weekends.
2. Performing Arts
3. Lousy academics
4. Sleep deprivation & the lack of free time to pursue anything not part of Hyde's program
5. Abusive/condescending/hypocritical faculty
6. "Brother's Keeper"
7. Public (in front of the whole student body) ridicule and humiliation and school meetings there in general
8. Wrestling and other sports where the emphasis on running/calisthenics until you puked ruined what could have been fun experiences
9. 2/4, attitude trips & other "attitude adjustment" activities involving pointless exercises.
10. Joe Gauld & the folks who really drank the Kool-Aid[ This Message was edited by: Lars on 2005-11-26 12:50 ]"
Your experiences are very similar to those reported by many other Hyde students our family has had contact with during the past several years. We've had several Hyde kids visit our home and we've spoken with quite a few, in depth, during FLCs and family weekends. We've heard countless stories that are very consistent with your experiences years ago. I'm struck by the consistency of Hyde students' reports of (to reiterate your list) destructive FLCs, lame performing arts, inferior academics, sleep deprivation, abusive/condescending/hypocritical faculty, brother's keeper that bordered on the abusive and hypocritical, public shaming and humiliation, pointless exercises and mindless 2-4 activities, and . . . Joe Gauld.
Other Hyde students and parents we've encountered repeat this list and add one other major Hyde horror: So many of Hyde's students enter the school with overhwhelmingly complex mental health problems. A very common complaint (one that should scare off any parent considering Hyde) is that Hyde simply doesn't believe in providing on-campus mental health help for kids whose problems at Hyde (emotional crises, behavioral challenges, "attitude" issues) are a direct result of their psychiatric needs. Hyde throws these kids a bone by agreeing to refer them to a handful of counselors in the local communities (Bath and Woodstock). The families and educational consultants we've spoken to are shocked by Hyde's lack of interest in genuine mental health services and superficial contact with the kids' therapists. Many have come to the conclusion that Hyde is accepting the wrong kinds of kids given its model. The fact that Hyde accepts so many deeply troubled kids without providing appropriate supportive services is dreadful. Might it be that Hyde is so concerned about enrollments and cash flow that it's taking in kids who don't really belong there?
Joe Gauld's (and other Hyde staff's) belief that all this misbehavior stems from "attitude" problems is incredibly naive. Some kids at Hyde may benefit from so-called attitude adjustments, but I bet they're few and far between. Without question, Hyde is out of step with nationally recognized approaches to these sorts of struggling teens. Hyde seems to wear their out-of-step approach like a badge of honor. Hyde doesn't seem to realize that the school is surrounded by legions of people who view this as Hyde's badge of shame.
I suppose Joe Gauld feels a sense of pride in his invention. What he seems not to realize is that many regard his arrogance and self-centered, cocky demeanor as delusional: the epitome of denial.
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On 2005-11-26 13:39:00, Lars wrote:
"I spent a summer then three years at Hyde and graduated in 1990. I went to college and law school at Arizona State. I spent five years as a public defender and now have my own practice out in AZ.
I hadn't really thought much about Hyde for several years until one day I googled "hyde" and found this site. Sure brought back some lousy memories. But it's good to see that others feel the same way I do about the place.
Just got my pitch for the "annual fund." It went straight into the wastebasket. I only give money to ASU - I loved it there and they gave me quite a bit of academic scholarship money."
The fact that you Googled Hyde and found this website is VERY significant. There has been so much recent dialogue about Hyde on this website that it now shows up on Page 2 when you Google Hyde. That is the strongest possible evidence that word about Hyde is getting out (for quite some time this website was much farther down in the Google listings for Hyde).
Any parent considering the school who Googles Hyde is likely to find this website. If you're one of those parents, I would encourage you to read as many postings as possible, focus especially on the thoughtful comments, stay away from the angry diatribes that seem impulsive, and come to your own conclusions about Hyde. I think that any reasonably objective, thinking parent would read these postings and decide to avoid Hyde completely. I can't imagine reading the credible commentary here and even bothering to call Hyde to inquire, much less fill out an application and go for a visit.
Parents who are searching for a school for your struggling teen: Please find a skilled, well informed, and principled educational consultant who knows the landscape. There are some terrific schools out there, and Hyde isn't one of them. Any educational consultant who encourages you to seriously consider Hyde is waving a big red flag. I strongly recommend finding a highly recommended educational consultant who knows better.
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"Other Hyde students and parents we've encountered repeat this list and add one other major Hyde horror: So many of Hyde's students enter the school with overhwhelmingly complex mental health problems. A very common complaint (one that should scare off any parent considering Hyde) is that Hyde simply doesn't believe in providing on-campus mental health help for kids whose problems at Hyde (emotional crises, behavioral challenges, "attitude" issues) are a direct result of their psychiatric needs. Hyde throws these kids a bone by agreeing to refer them to a handful of counselors in the local communities (Bath and Woodstock). The families and educational consultants we've spoken to are shocked by Hyde's lack of interest in genuine mental health services and superficial contact with the kids' therapists. Many have come to the conclusion that Hyde is accepting the wrong kinds of kids given its model. The fact that Hyde accepts so many deeply troubled kids without providing appropriate supportive services is dreadful. Might it be that Hyde is so concerned about enrollments and cash flow that it's taking in kids who don't really belong there?"
Glad you brought this up - it should have been number one on my list, although it came into play on several of the things I listed. They used to call me "Lazy Larry" at Hyde. But I wasn't lazy, I was suffering from major clinical depression and anxiety disorder. Granted, they didn't know that - it didn't get diagnosed until I was older. But I don't think it would have mattered to them. They were either clueless or deliberately ignorant about these things. As I pointed out on another post, the faculty were absolutely shocked when I aced the SATs. They had no idea that I was that intelligent. In fact, it should have clued in everyone, including my parents, that another school would have better served my needs.
They couldn't allow someone to simply learn the material and get good grades, you had to be a "leader" in class. What a crock of shit.
I wasn't kidding when I talked about how much I loved college. It wasn't just the great weather, the beautiful girls & the parties, I really enjoyed SCHOOL for the first time after I survived Hyde. I enjoyed going to class, getting to take the ones that interested me and not having to be a "leader." I learned in the real world that real leadership is something different than what Hyde tries to indoctrinate.
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On 2005-11-26 14:48:00, Lars wrote:
""Other Hyde students and parents we've encountered repeat this list and add one other major Hyde horror: So many of Hyde's students enter the school with overhwhelmingly complex mental health problems. A very common complaint (one that should scare off any parent considering Hyde) is that Hyde simply doesn't believe in providing on-campus mental health help for kids whose problems at Hyde (emotional crises, behavioral challenges, "attitude" issues) are a direct result of their psychiatric needs. Hyde throws these kids a bone by agreeing to refer them to a handful of counselors in the local communities (Bath and Woodstock). The families and educational consultants we've spoken to are shocked by Hyde's lack of interest in genuine mental health services and superficial contact with the kids' therapists. Many have come to the conclusion that Hyde is accepting the wrong kinds of kids given its model. The fact that Hyde accepts so many deeply troubled kids without providing appropriate supportive services is dreadful. Might it be that Hyde is so concerned about enrollments and cash flow that it's taking in kids who don't really belong there?"
Glad you brought this up - it should have been number one on my list, although it came into play on several of the things I listed. They used to call me "Lazy Larry" at Hyde. But I wasn't lazy, I was suffering from major clinical depression and anxiety disorder. Granted, they didn't know that - it didn't get diagnosed until I was older. But I don't think it would have mattered to them. They were either clueless or deliberately ignorant about these things. As I pointed out on another post, the faculty were absolutely shocked when I aced the SATs. They had no idea that I was that intelligent. In fact, it should have clued in everyone, including my parents, that another school would have better served my needs.
They couldn't allow someone to simply learn the material and get good grades, you had to be a "leader" in class. What a crock of shit.
I wasn't kidding when I talked about how much I loved college. It wasn't just the great weather, the beautiful girls & the parties, I really enjoyed SCHOOL for the first time after I survived Hyde. I enjoyed going to class, getting to take the ones that interested me and not having to be a "leader." I learned in the real world that real leadership is something different than what Hyde tries to indoctrinate.
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Perhaps in your case Hyde didn't know about the clinical depression and anxiety issues since they were diagnosed post-Hyde. But, Hyde certainly DOES know that lots of the students who currently enroll there have significant psychiatric diagnoses. Hence, Hyde's inattention to these issues and unwillingess to provide professional services seems negligent to me. Since you have a law degree, might you comment on this? Does it seem that Hyde's willingness to accept kids with major mental health diagnoses without providing any professional services to address these issues comes close to negligence? A number of people on this website have raised this issue.
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Does Gauld ever hold forth on how professional psychiatrists don't know what they're doing?
There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is
proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in
everlasting ignorance- that principle is contempt prior to investigation.
--Herbert Spencer
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"Perhaps in your case Hyde didn't know about the clinical depression and anxiety issues since they were diagnosed post-Hyde. But, Hyde certainly DOES know that lots of the students who currently enroll there have significant psychiatric diagnoses. Hence, Hyde's inattention to these issues and unwillingess to provide professional services seems negligent to me. Since you have a law degree, might you comment on this? Does it seem that Hyde's willingness to accept kids with major mental health diagnoses without providing any professional services to address these issues comes close to negligence? A number of people on this website have raised this issue."
I forgot to put in a previous post that prior to joining the public defender's office, I spent a year working in a law firm that specialized in personal injury & medical malpractice. The guys I worked for were assholes, but it was a high powered practice and I learned quite a bit about nasty civil litigation. Frankly, I think that Hyde is very lucky that it haven't gotten nailed in a lawsuit. However, what you need to go forward with one is serious injury or death. If some kid gets killed or kills him or herself there they could be in very big trouble. I suspect they keep a very large liability policy just in case. I believe that they have been extraordinarily negligent over the years. I mean punitive damages kind of negligent (and those are rarely awarded, despite what the tort reform people will tell you). But so far as we know, they've been lucky.
[ This Message was edited by: Lars on 2005-11-26 15:14 ]
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On 2005-11-26 15:13:00, Lars wrote:
""Perhaps in your case Hyde didn't know about the clinical depression and anxiety issues since they were diagnosed post-Hyde. But, Hyde certainly DOES know that lots of the students who currently enroll there have significant psychiatric diagnoses. Hence, Hyde's inattention to these issues and unwillingess to provide professional services seems negligent to me. Since you have a law degree, might you comment on this? Does it seem that Hyde's willingness to accept kids with major mental health diagnoses without providing any professional services to address these issues comes close to negligence? A number of people on this website have raised this issue."
I forgot to put in a previous post that prior to joining the public defender's office, I spent a year working in a law firm that specialized in personal injury & medical malpractice. The guys I worked for were assholes, but it was a high powered practice and I learned quite a bit about nasty civil litigation. Frankly, I think that Hyde is very lucky that it haven't gotten nailed in a lawsuit. However, what you need to go forward with one is serious injury or death. If some kid gets killed or kills him or herself there they could be in very big trouble. I suspect they keep a very large liability policy just in case. I believe that they have been extraordinarily negligent over the years. I mean punitive damages kind of negligent (and those are rarely awarded, despite what the tort reform people will tell you). But so far as we know, they've been lucky.
[ This Message was edited by: Lars on 2005-11-26 15:14 ]"
Thanks for the clarification. That makes sense. I imagine it would take a suicide event or a major assault by a Hyde student to generate that kind of lawsuit. However, several people have commented (on this website) that Hyde recently settled a major lawsuit that arose out of a faculty member's harassment of a student.
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On 2005-11-26 14:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-11-26 13:39:00, Lars wrote:
"I spent a summer then three years at Hyde and graduated in 1990. I went to college and law school at Arizona State. I spent five years as a public defender and now have my own practice out in AZ.
I hadn't really thought much about Hyde for several years until one day I googled "hyde" and found this site. Sure brought back some lousy memories. But it's good to see that others feel the same way I do about the place.
Just got my pitch for the "annual fund." It went straight into the wastebasket. I only give money to ASU - I loved it there and they gave me quite a bit of academic scholarship money."
The fact that you Googled Hyde and found this website is VERY significant. There has been so much recent dialogue about Hyde on this website that it now shows up on Page 2 when you Google Hyde. That is the strongest possible evidence that word about Hyde is getting out (for quite some time this website was much farther down in the Google listings for Hyde).
Any parent considering the school who Googles Hyde is likely to find this website. If you're one of those parents, I would encourage you to read as many postings as possible, focus especially on the thoughtful comments, stay away from the angry diatribes that seem impulsive, and come to your own conclusions about Hyde. I think that any reasonably objective, thinking parent would read these postings and decide to avoid Hyde completely. I can't imagine reading the credible commentary here and even bothering to call Hyde to inquire, much less fill out an application and go for a visit.
Parents who are searching for a school for your struggling teen: Please find a skilled, well informed, and principled educational consultant who knows the landscape. There are some terrific schools out there, and Hyde isn't one of them. Any educational consultant who encourages you to seriously consider Hyde is waving a big red flag. I strongly recommend finding a highly recommended educational consultant who knows better. "
Yes, the fact that this website is now very high in the rankings when you Google Hyde School is very significant. As you suggest, anyone who Googles Hyde is probably going to find these important and compelling postings about all the problems at Hyde. Lots of people are getting information about Hyde from this website, which is reflected in the prominent Google placement.
I imagine this is deeply troubling to the folks at Hyde. For decades Joe Gauld and company have been obsessed with control -- controlling students, controlling parents, controlling all the spin about Hyde. Now, perhaps for the first time in Hyde's history, Joe G. and his crew are losing control. This website has opened the floodgates; many people who have had terrible Hyde experiences and brutally painful encounters with Joe Gauld, et al. are FINALLY having their uncensored say and Hyde can't put a stop to it the way they put a stop to anything they don't like that happens on campus. The horse is out of the barn; I doubt that Hyde can do much to control the spread of bad news about the school. Perhaps Hyde is getting a taste of its own medicine.
I think it's just fascinating that if you Google lots of other schools that enroll very similiar students (Island View, Carlbrook, Oakley School, King George, White Mountain and many others) it's very hard to find any evidence of the kind of intense anger, frustration, resentment, and distress that we're seeing on this website about Hyde. Try it and you'll see what I mean. Hyde seems to be in a class by itself. One wonders if this kind of public relations nightmare is generating any anxiety among Hyde staff. Is the Hyde/Joe Gauld denial so powerful that even this overwhelmingly negative press doesn't lead them to sit up and take notice? If I were running Hyde right now I'd be worried about the numbers of people who may discover this website when they Google Hyde and who decide, as a result, to avoid the school like the plague.
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Not just regular harassment. It was sexual harassment of a teacher touching a young girl in an innappropriate way. He was also verbally abusing some of the girls in a sexual way!
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On 2005-11-26 15:07:00, Antigen wrote:
"Does Gauld ever hold forth on how professional psychiatrists don't know what they're doing?There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is
proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in
everlasting ignorance- that principle is contempt prior to investigation.
--Herbert Spencer
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You better belive he does!
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Sorry, that last was me. forgot to log in
Redemption: Deliverance of sinners from the penalty of their sins through the murder of their deity against whom they sinned.
--Ambrose Bierce
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On 2005-11-26 13:39:00, Lars wrote:
"I spent a summer then three years at Hyde and graduated in 1990. I went to college and law school at Arizona State. I spent five years as a public defender and now have my own practice out in AZ.
I hadn't really thought much about Hyde for several years until one day I googled "hyde" and found this site. Sure brought back some lousy memories. But it's good to see that others feel the same way I do about the place.
Just got my pitch for the "annual fund." It went straight into the wastebasket. I only give money to ASU - I loved it there and they gave me quite a bit of academic scholarship money."
You are one of the fortunate ones Lars! Very few graduates of Hyde are able to go on to Law School. Hyde's education is so poor that most kids are lucky to get into a Community College! I always get a kick out of Hyde's PR materials that brag about a 98% acceptance to college! They don't tell the WHOLE story or even close to it!
Consider yourself lucky Lars. You did make it through Hyde in spite of those wacko's, and you did move on even though they caused you a lot of emotional distress. I hope you were able to forgive your parents. I now understand how clueless my parents were and how they were so desperate they hung onto the hope that Hyde was everything they said they were! My parents are so embarassed they got sucked into the Cult that they don't tell anyone about their experiences. It is as though those 2 1/2 years never existed! Rather than being angry at my parents, I feel sorry for them and the embarassment they live with.
The ones I feel the most sorry for are the Hyde Cultists! I remember one family who turned their lives over to Hyde then finally broke away and moved to California. They were so lost without Hyde, they were drawn back in again. I don't call this a committed family, I call them pathetic and sad that they couldn't survive in the real world, but instead had to go back to their leader, Joe Gauld!
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Very few graduates of Hyde are able to go on to Law School. Hyde's education is so poor that most kids are lucky to get into a Community College!
It sounds like you may be an administrator at Hyde with some inside information on real statistics. Can you please share the numbers of actual students who go on to college? I am confused by all the posts here and would like real facts.
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On 2005-11-27 21:36:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Very few graduates of Hyde are able to go on to Law School. Hyde's education is so poor that most kids are lucky to get into a Community College!
It sounds like you may be an administrator at Hyde with some inside information on real statistics. Can you please share the numbers of actual students who go on to college? I am confused by all the posts here and would like real facts."
I don't think it's accurate to say that most Hyde kids are lucky to get into a community college. I am not a Hyde supporter and, in fact, would never encourage a parent to refer their kid to Hyde. I think Hyde is a terribly harmful environment.
However, I think it's important to criticize the school fairly and not exaggerate. My impression, based on several years' experience with Hyde, is that many of its GRADUATES do get accepted to 4-year colleges. What happens to these students once they get to college is unclear to me; I have no idea how successful they are or aren't.
But, note that I say that most Hyde GRADUATES seem to get accepted to 4-year colleges. There's lots of evidence that most students who enroll at Hyde don't finish their high school education at Hyde (I challenge any Hyde administrator who's reading this to refute that assertion). The drop-out rate from Hyde (kids that get kicked out of Hyde, run from Hyde, or transfer to some other school or program) is very large. So, a more accurate way to put this is that from all evidence most of the students who start at Hyde don't graduate from Hyde and go on to 4-year colleges from Hyde.
It would be very interesting to analyze the characteristics of the students who actually graduate from Hyde. What percentage of these are children of faculty and staff, rather than the more typical Hyde kid who enters with major emotional and behavioral issues? What percentage are siblings of other Hyde kids, where the first one had major issues but the second one didn't? What percentage of Hyde's graduates are truly "turn around" kids who entered the school (as the vast majority of Hyde students do) with major attitude, behavioral, and mental health issues?
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If a kid doesn't graduate from Hyde, then why would you include those college statistics? Am I missing something? Why would Hyde be responsible for the performance of non-graduates? A more interesting statistic might be the number of kids who begin at four-year institutions but drop out. Would those statistics be very different from that of another boarding school with a similar student body?
If we acknowledge that there is a significant number of kids who can and do academically after Hyde, then is it really fair to say that a good education isn't accessible there?
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Makes you think, doesn't it?
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Quoted by Lars
"I forgot to put in a previous post that prior to joining the public defender's office, I spent a year working in a law firm that specialized in personal injury & medical malpractice. The guys I worked for were assholes, but it was a high powered practice and I learned quite a bit about nasty civil litigation. Frankly, I think that Hyde is very lucky that it haven't gotten nailed in a lawsuit. However, what you need to go forward with one is serious injury or death. If some kid gets killed or kills him or herself there they could be in very big trouble. I suspect they keep a very large liability policy just in case. I believe that they have been extraordinarily negligent over the years. I mean punitive damages kind of negligent (and those are rarely awarded, despite what the tort reform people will tell you). But so far as we know, they've been lucky."
Lars, Is it possible for a group of parents to file a class action suit against Hyde based on the monies they take and refuse to refund when a student and family is forced to leave for various reasons. I know this is a question that depends on many variables, but just curious.
It is a fact that Hyde keeps the entire tuition, ($35,000) after a family has been forced out or have made it impossible to continue at the school. Seems like this is wrong.
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Lars, Is it possible for a group of parents to file a class action suit against Hyde based on the monies they take and refuse to refund when a student and family is forced to leave for various reasons. I know this is a question that depends on many variables, but just curious.
It is a fact that Hyde keeps the entire tuition, ($35,000) after a family has been forced out or have made it impossible to continue at the school. Seems like this is wrong.
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I think the issue would be whether Hyde breached it's contract by forcing you out for improper reasons, then refusing to refund the tuition. I'm sure they throw some clause into the contract regarding the non-refundability of tuition. There may be other legal issues involved, most likely also of a contractual nature. Consult a lawyer, one who has a lot of experience in contract litigation. Often, a good place to get a referral is any lawyer you happen to know personally, even if they practice in a different area. Most lawyers are very willing to make solid referrals to other lawyers who have more expertise in the area of law a prospective client's problem(s) involve (it pays off in the form of return referrals).
As for a class action, that might not be viable (nor strategically sound) unless you have a very large number of similarly situated families. Again, consult a lawyer.
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Why do you think Hyde won't disclose how many actually graduate college??
On 2005-11-28 05:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-11-27 21:36:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Very few graduates of Hyde are able to go on to Law School. Hyde's education is so poor that most kids are lucky to get into a Community College!
It sounds like you may be an administrator at Hyde with some inside information on real statistics. Can you please share the numbers of actual students who go on to college? I am confused by all the posts here and would like real facts."
I don't think it's accurate to say that most Hyde kids are lucky to get into a community college. I am not a Hyde supporter and, in fact, would never encourage a parent to refer their kid to Hyde. I think Hyde is a terribly harmful environment.
However, I think it's important to criticize the school fairly and not exaggerate. My impression, based on several years' experience with Hyde, is that many of its GRADUATES do get accepted to 4-year colleges. What happens to these students once they get to college is unclear to me; I have no idea how successful they are or aren't.
But, note that I say that most Hyde GRADUATES seem to get accepted to 4-year colleges. There's lots of evidence that most students who enroll at Hyde don't finish their high school education at Hyde (I challenge any Hyde administrator who's reading this to refute that assertion). The drop-out rate from Hyde (kids that get kicked out of Hyde, run from Hyde, or transfer to some other school or program) is very large. So, a more accurate way to put this is that from all evidence most of the students who start at Hyde don't graduate from Hyde and go on to 4-year colleges from Hyde.
It would be very interesting to analyze the characteristics of the students who actually graduate from Hyde. What percentage of these are children of faculty and staff, rather than the more typical Hyde kid who enters with major emotional and behavioral issues? What percentage are siblings of other Hyde kids, where the first one had major issues but the second one didn't? What percentage of Hyde's graduates are truly "turn around" kids who entered the school (as the vast majority of Hyde students do) with major attitude, behavioral, and mental health issues?"
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Like Lars, I graduated from high school in 1990 (but not from Hyde). I only had one year there (my 8th grade year, so sorry Lars, we didn't overlap, but we probably have some mutual acquaintances). I also went on to get my JD and I, in fact, specialize in contract issues.
I have never seen the contract (if any) that Hyde signs with parents. I'm guessing that what is promised, if anything, is not results, but general statements on boarding/feeding/schooling, and probably not even a particular process (which would give Hyde the latitude they want).
As I've posted recently on another topic on this forum, I think that it is horrible that there are so many students/parents/staffers who have had totally awful Hyde experiences. Hyde does not do their part to limit the incoming students to those that their true process might actually help - but instead seem to take all students, regardless of their underlying issues, apparently for the sake of the almighty dollar.
But, as I also previously said, if parents would not be looking for a place to dump their children... but would instead find the RIGHT place to get their child treatment (if necessary), or a swift kick in the pants (which is what I personally needed, and received, at Hyde) - then maybe some of these horror stories would subside.
Now, this isn't going to repair prior damage... and it's also not going to fix the problem of uneducated staff with respect to dealing with troubled teens (regardless of whether their issues are psychological or attitudinal).
I guess what I have not seen here, with minor exception, is a willingness for the former students (especially those with continued negative feelings about Hyde) to admit the real reasons why they were sent to Hyde. I am not, in any way, a Hyde supporter (I have never given to the school in any way, nor do I provide any kind of volunteer support), mostly because of the problems I mentioned above.
However, I don't see a realization on the part of many former students that 1) their parents were trying to help them... and in that desperate attempt, found Hyde, and that 2) they DID, as students, NEED some sort of help for their problem(s) - whatever they were.
It took me many years to realize what my parents wanted/expected out of me... and when I did realize that they were looking for me to be the best I could be, and were willing to do whatever it took to get me to get there, I realized why they sent me to Hyde and what Hyde could have done for me (if it had been the place it had advertised itself to be). So I don't hold my parents or Hyde to any kind of ill will or negative feelings.
But what keeps bothering me here is that I see dozens of posts (but they're all anonymous, so I can't even get a sense if it's the same person posting repetitively or if it's dozens of unique individuals - which leads me to want to say that they're probably all from a smaller group of repeating individuals). And except for Lars, and a few others, I see no realization of any kind of responsibility for the actions that led to being sent to Hyde.
What that says to me, at least, is that you're looking for someone else to blame. You're looking for an excuse. And now you've found this board where you can at least find some sort of validation (again, the anonymity is nice, but it's also harmful) for your feelings.
No, I don't know what Hyde's college grad statistics are. I don't know what their 5, 10 or 20 year post-Hyde stats are (ie: what is the avg income for a student 10 or 20 years out... or where are they now). And I'm not sure that it matters, either.
To the best of my knowledge, Hyde never promises to "fix" the child. Which means, that if the child fails in the future, it's still not Hyde's fault. Nor is a child's success. My subsequent degrees are NOT the result of a Hyde education. They are the result of hard work, dedication and the realization that *I* am responsible for my own behavior (which IS a result of my attendance at Hyde). So I don't credit Hyde with my successes or failures. I credit Hyde with giving me the beginning to understanding myself. And that's all they're entitled to.
So don't blame the school for your actions, if that's what this is about. Don't blame the school for not being able to fix you - because they can't. You have to fix you. Or you at least have to find the right "help" to fix yourself.
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On 2006-06-19 04:16:00, fletch699 wrote:
"Like Lars, I graduated from high school in 1990 (but not from Hyde). I only had one year there (my 8th grade year, so sorry Lars, we didn't overlap, but we probably have some mutual acquaintances). I also went on to get my JD and I, in fact, specialize in contract issues.
I have never seen the contract (if any) that Hyde signs with parents. I'm guessing that what is promised, if anything, is not results, but general statements on boarding/feeding/schooling, and probably not even a particular process (which would give Hyde the latitude they want).
As I've posted recently on another topic on this forum, I think that it is horrible that there are so many students/parents/staffers who have had totally awful Hyde experiences. Hyde does not do their part to limit the incoming students to those that their true process might actually help - but instead seem to take all students, regardless of their underlying issues, apparently for the sake of the almighty dollar.
But, as I also previously said, if parents would not be looking for a place to dump their children... but would instead find the RIGHT place to get their child treatment (if necessary), or a swift kick in the pants (which is what I personally needed, and received, at Hyde) - then maybe some of these horror stories would subside.
Now, this isn't going to repair prior damage... and it's also not going to fix the problem of uneducated staff with respect to dealing with troubled teens (regardless of whether their issues are psychological or attitudinal).
I guess what I have not seen here, with minor exception, is a willingness for the former students (especially those with continued negative feelings about Hyde) to admit the real reasons why they were sent to Hyde. I am not, in any way, a Hyde supporter (I have never given to the school in any way, nor do I provide any kind of volunteer support), mostly because of the problems I mentioned above.
However, I don't see a realization on the part of many former students that 1) their parents were trying to help them... and in that desperate attempt, found Hyde, and that 2) they DID, as students, NEED some sort of help for their problem(s) - whatever they were.
It took me many years to realize what my parents wanted/expected out of me... and when I did realize that they were looking for me to be the best I could be, and were willing to do whatever it took to get me to get there, I realized why they sent me to Hyde and what Hyde could have done for me (if it had been the place it had advertised itself to be). So I don't hold my parents or Hyde to any kind of ill will or negative feelings.
But what keeps bothering me here is that I see dozens of posts (but they're all anonymous, so I can't even get a sense if it's the same person posting repetitively or if it's dozens of unique individuals - which leads me to want to say that they're probably all from a smaller group of repeating individuals). And except for Lars, and a few others, I see no realization of any kind of responsibility for the actions that led to being sent to Hyde.
What that says to me, at least, is that you're looking for someone else to blame. You're looking for an excuse. And now you've found this board where you can at least find some sort of validation (again, the anonymity is nice, but it's also harmful) for your feelings.
No, I don't know what Hyde's college grad statistics are. I don't know what their 5, 10 or 20 year post-Hyde stats are (ie: what is the avg income for a student 10 or 20 years out... or where are they now). And I'm not sure that it matters, either.
To the best of my knowledge, Hyde never promises to "fix" the child. Which means, that if the child fails in the future, it's still not Hyde's fault. Nor is a child's success. My subsequent degrees are NOT the result of a Hyde education. They are the result of hard work, dedication and the realization that *I* am responsible for my own behavior (which IS a result of my attendance at Hyde). So I don't credit Hyde with my successes or failures. I credit Hyde with giving me the beginning to understanding myself. And that's all they're entitled to.
So don't blame the school for your actions, if that's what this is about. Don't blame the school for not being able to fix you - because they can't. You have to fix you. Or you at least have to find the right "help" to fix yourself."
Fletch, I appreciate all you have said here, but what about the parents who do try to send their kid to the right place for help? What about the parents who spend $4,000 on an Educational Consultant who has evaluated the child and said that a place like Hyde would be good for them?
In my case my EC was not aware of how bad Hyde was although he is now! I did my homework, read up on the internet, (great PR from Hyde) and spoke to a couple of former and current parents at one of those PR Tea's Hyde puts on. Naive me didn't realize that I would only be meeting people who bought into the program. Later on I encountered some of these same people and saw how dissatisfied they were with Hyde.
What was wrong with my son Fetch? He was one of those you spoke about who was later diagnosed with ADD. In his case he did have ADD and ended up getting on meds in college and doing great ever since. Hyde held him back from the help he needed by telling us he was lazy and had no self confidence. We were told that a Character Education for all of us would be just what the doctor ordered.
I take responsibility for trusting in the wrong people. Am I a bad parent for this? Some might say yes, but maybe I am only guilty of needing to learn how to be a better parent and use better judgement. I was not fortunate enough to have good role models in my life.
I agree with you that it sometimes is the parent who needs the help, and I learned that I did not need an Educational Consultant to help my child but instead a a good Psychologist to help me. Had I gone that route I then could have helped my child and gotten him the proper help rather than thinking Hyde had all the answers.
Hyde didn't have all the answers and instead they did much more harm to my son by lowering his self esteem more than it was, by telling him he could do better in school then he was capable of, and by exposing him to elements he would not have been exposed to at home. Had Hyde had professionals on staff that would have evaulated my son, they would have seen that he needed meds for ADD rather than telling him he had an attitude problem and needed more character development.
I can't go back, but I can move forward and try to help others by my experiences. This is what I have chosen to do rather than blame Hyde, although I still to this day do not understand why Hyde hasn't developed a better understanding of who they are and where they are going. They cannot be a One Size Fits All School. They need to figure out what type of student they can help and only accept this type of student into their program. By accepting most everyone is doing the entire student body a disservice as well as being dishonest.
I disagree with one of the posters who said you are bitter. Quite the contrary you sound very level headed and focused, and seem to have moved on. This poster is confusing the word "bitter" with "empowerment" which is something you seem to be doing well at in spite of Hyde.
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I'm glad you were able to get your son the help he needed. You do not sound like a bad parent to me (not that I'm an expert on parenting... merely an "experienced son"). Overall, you did everything that I probably would have done.
As for Educational Consultants... well, I'm not really sure what to say. I've never dealt with one and I don't know what they specifically offer. From a consultant-side analysis, however, I would say that I would not recommend anything to anyone that I did not have experience with.
If your EC didn't know anything about Hyde other than word-of-mouth hearsay, they (IMHO) shouldn't have suggested Hyde to you. Depending on your specific circumstances, I might even be so inclined to challenge the EC in court (but that's just the lawyer in me wanting justice). Then again, sometimes it's just better to let it go and move on... especially if things turn out ok in the end.
Overall, I'm just glad that your son eventually got the proper diagnosis and help that he needed. My brother has ADHD (among other issues), and I saw first-hand the horrors in public school education that he went through with untrained educators... and Hyde, again IMHO, wouldn't be any better... and might even be worse.
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On 2006-06-19 15:06:00, fletch699 wrote:
"I'm glad you were able to get your son the help he needed. You do not sound like a bad parent to me (not that I'm an expert on parenting... merely an "experienced son"). Overall, you did everything that I probably would have done.
As for Educational Consultants... well, I'm not really sure what to say. I've never dealt with one and I don't know what they specifically offer. From a consultant-side analysis, however, I would say that I would not recommend anything to anyone that I did not have experience with.
If your EC didn't know anything about Hyde other than word-of-mouth hearsay, they (IMHO) shouldn't have suggested Hyde to you. Depending on your specific circumstances, I might even be so inclined to challenge the EC in court (but that's just the lawyer in me wanting justice). Then again, sometimes it's just better to let it go and move on... especially if things turn out ok in the end.
Overall, I'm just glad that your son eventually got the proper diagnosis and help that he needed. My brother has ADHD (among other issues), and I saw first-hand the horrors in public school education that he went through with untrained educators... and Hyde, again IMHO, wouldn't be any better... and might even be worse.
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I think Hyde is worse than public education, not that public education is any good, but at least you know what you are getting. At Hyde they lie and mislead you about the education and then they intentionally hold the child back in order to keep you there another year. IMHO Hyde plays head games with both parents and students. Thank goodness we got out when we did and although my son lost a couple of years, he is now making it up and is heading in the right direction, NO thanks to Hyde.
How did you find Hyde on this website? A friend tried to find this website when typing in Hyde in his browser and could never get to it. Is it showing up on your browser?
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On 2006-06-19 04:16:00, fletch699 wrote:
"Like Lars, I graduated from high school in 1990 (but not from Hyde). I only had one year there (my 8th grade year, so sorry Lars, we didn't overlap, but we probably have some mutual acquaintances). I also went on to get my JD and I, in fact, specialize in contract issues.
I have never seen the contract (if any) that Hyde signs with parents. I'm guessing that what is promised, if anything, is not results, but general statements on boarding/feeding/schooling, and probably not even a particular process (which would give Hyde the latitude they want).
As I've posted recently on another topic on this forum, I think that it is horrible that there are so many students/parents/staffers who have had totally awful Hyde experiences. Hyde does not do their part to limit the incoming students to those that their true process might actually help - but instead seem to take all students, regardless of their underlying issues, apparently for the sake of the almighty dollar.
But, as I also previously said, if parents would not be looking for a place to dump their children... but would instead find the RIGHT place to get their child treatment (if necessary), or a swift kick in the pants (which is what I personally needed, and received, at Hyde) - then maybe some of these horror stories would subside.
Now, this isn't going to repair prior damage... and it's also not going to fix the problem of uneducated staff with respect to dealing with troubled teens (regardless of whether their issues are psychological or attitudinal).
I guess what I have not seen here, with minor exception, is a willingness for the former students (especially those with continued negative feelings about Hyde) to admit the real reasons why they were sent to Hyde. I am not, in any way, a Hyde supporter (I have never given to the school in any way, nor do I provide any kind of volunteer support), mostly because of the problems I mentioned above.
However, I don't see a realization on the part of many former students that 1) their parents were trying to help them... and in that desperate attempt, found Hyde, and that 2) they DID, as students, NEED some sort of help for their problem(s) - whatever they were.
It took me many years to realize what my parents wanted/expected out of me... and when I did realize that they were looking for me to be the best I could be, and were willing to do whatever it took to get me to get there, I realized why they sent me to Hyde and what Hyde could have done for me (if it had been the place it had advertised itself to be). So I don't hold my parents or Hyde to any kind of ill will or negative feelings.
But what keeps bothering me here is that I see dozens of posts (but they're all anonymous, so I can't even get a sense if it's the same person posting repetitively or if it's dozens of unique individuals - which leads me to want to say that they're probably all from a smaller group of repeating individuals). And except for Lars, and a few others, I see no realization of any kind of responsibility for the actions that led to being sent to Hyde.
What that says to me, at least, is that you're looking for someone else to blame. You're looking for an excuse. And now you've found this board where you can at least find some sort of validation (again, the anonymity is nice, but it's also harmful) for your feelings.
No, I don't know what Hyde's college grad statistics are. I don't know what their 5, 10 or 20 year post-Hyde stats are (ie: what is the avg income for a student 10 or 20 years out... or where are they now). And I'm not sure that it matters, either.
To the best of my knowledge, Hyde never promises to "fix" the child. Which means, that if the child fails in the future, it's still not Hyde's fault. Nor is a child's success. My subsequent degrees are NOT the result of a Hyde education. They are the result of hard work, dedication and the realization that *I* am responsible for my own behavior (which IS a result of my attendance at Hyde). So I don't credit Hyde with my successes or failures. I credit Hyde with giving me the beginning to understanding myself. And that's all they're entitled to.
So don't blame the school for your actions, if that's what this is about. Don't blame the school for not being able to fix you - because they can't. You have to fix you. Or you at least have to find the right "help" to fix yourself."
Hey Fletch, what do you think about the lax sex policy at Hyde School and all these posts about a pervert running around on campus?
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Actually, I was pointed to this site by a former co-worker who I discovered was also a Hyde alum.
I don't know how it found it, though. Sorry!
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On 2006-06-19 17:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-19 04:16:00, fletch699 wrote:
"Like Lars, I graduated from high school in 1990 (but not from Hyde). I only had one year there (my 8th grade year, so sorry Lars, we didn't overlap, but we probably have some mutual acquaintances). I also went on to get my JD and I, in fact, specialize in contract issues.
I have never seen the contract (if any) that Hyde signs with parents. I'm guessing that what is promised, if anything, is not results, but general statements on boarding/feeding/schooling, and probably not even a particular process (which would give Hyde the latitude they want).
As I've posted recently on another topic on this forum, I think that it is horrible that there are so many students/parents/staffers who have had totally awful Hyde experiences. Hyde does not do their part to limit the incoming students to those that their true process might actually help - but instead seem to take all students, regardless of their underlying issues, apparently for the sake of the almighty dollar.
But, as I also previously said, if parents would not be looking for a place to dump their children... but would instead find the RIGHT place to get their child treatment (if necessary), or a swift kick in the pants (which is what I personally needed, and received, at Hyde) - then maybe some of these horror stories would subside.
Now, this isn't going to repair prior damage... and it's also not going to fix the problem of uneducated staff with respect to dealing with troubled teens (regardless of whether their issues are psychological or attitudinal).
I guess what I have not seen here, with minor exception, is a willingness for the former students (especially those with continued negative feelings about Hyde) to admit the real reasons why they were sent to Hyde. I am not, in any way, a Hyde supporter (I have never given to the school in any way, nor do I provide any kind of volunteer support), mostly because of the problems I mentioned above.
However, I don't see a realization on the part of many former students that 1) their parents were trying to help them... and in that desperate attempt, found Hyde, and that 2) they DID, as students, NEED some sort of help for their problem(s) - whatever they were.
It took me many years to realize what my parents wanted/expected out of me... and when I did realize that they were looking for me to be the best I could be, and were willing to do whatever it took to get me to get there, I realized why they sent me to Hyde and what Hyde could have done for me (if it had been the place it had advertised itself to be). So I don't hold my parents or Hyde to any kind of ill will or negative feelings.
But what keeps bothering me here is that I see dozens of posts (but they're all anonymous, so I can't even get a sense if it's the same person posting repetitively or if it's dozens of unique individuals - which leads me to want to say that they're probably all from a smaller group of repeating individuals). And except for Lars, and a few others, I see no realization of any kind of responsibility for the actions that led to being sent to Hyde.
What that says to me, at least, is that you're looking for someone else to blame. You're looking for an excuse. And now you've found this board where you can at least find some sort of validation (again, the anonymity is nice, but it's also harmful) for your feelings.
No, I don't know what Hyde's college grad statistics are. I don't know what their 5, 10 or 20 year post-Hyde stats are (ie: what is the avg income for a student 10 or 20 years out... or where are they now). And I'm not sure that it matters, either.
To the best of my knowledge, Hyde never promises to "fix" the child. Which means, that if the child fails in the future, it's still not Hyde's fault. Nor is a child's success. My subsequent degrees are NOT the result of a Hyde education. They are the result of hard work, dedication and the realization that *I* am responsible for my own behavior (which IS a result of my attendance at Hyde). So I don't credit Hyde with my successes or failures. I credit Hyde with giving me the beginning to understanding myself. And that's all they're entitled to.
So don't blame the school for your actions, if that's what this is about. Don't blame the school for not being able to fix you - because they can't. You have to fix you. Or you at least have to find the right "help" to fix yourself."
Hey Fletch, what do you think about the lax sex policy at Hyde School and all these posts about a pervert running around on campus?"
I think this poster is talking about Larry Dubinsky who was both a student and teacher at Hyde. He has been in a heap of trouble with his lusting after the pretty girls on campus. Did you know him Fletch?
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On 2006-06-19 15:06:00, fletch699 wrote:
"I'm glad you were able to get your son the help he needed. You do not sound like a bad parent to me (not that I'm an expert on parenting... merely an "experienced son"). Overall, you did everything that I probably would have done.
As for Educational Consultants... well, I'm not really sure what to say. I've never dealt with one and I don't know what they specifically offer. From a consultant-side analysis, however, I would say that I would not recommend anything to anyone that I did not have experience with.
If your EC didn't know anything about Hyde other than word-of-mouth hearsay, they (IMHO) shouldn't have suggested Hyde to you. Depending on your specific circumstances, I might even be so inclined to challenge the EC in court (but that's just the lawyer in me wanting justice). Then again, sometimes it's just better to let it go and move on... especially if things turn out ok in the end.
Overall, I'm just glad that your son eventually got the proper diagnosis and help that he needed. My brother has ADHD (among other issues), and I saw first-hand the horrors in public school education that he went through with untrained educators... and Hyde, again IMHO, wouldn't be any better... and might even be worse.
:)"
Since our family's Hyde experience we've learned a lot about educational consultants (ECs). We were pretty naive before our Hyde experience. Here's what we now know and wish we knew before: Like every other group of professionals, there's enormous variation among ECs. Many ECs are very talented and committed and know a great deal about the schools to which they refer families. We've met or talked with other ECs who are much less informed and know schools only by their superficial reputations. We've now been in touch with about a dozen very impressive ECs who refuse to refer families to Hyde. They have learned how flawed Hyde is and how damaging it can be, mainly because of the poor fit between the staff's ability and the enormous problems many Hyde students have. Like a number of people who have posted comments here, we learned through painful experience how poorly trained many Hyde staff are and how little they understand about the students' very complicated psychiatric, behavioral and substance abuse problems. We've also learned that there are a number of other schools that accept similar type students but, unlike Hyde, have well trained staff and a model for dealing with this population. I'm now convinced that many parents send their kids to Hyde because they're desperate and simply aren't familiar with these other schools that have more rigorous admission criteria and more appropriate staff. Parents would really do well to find well informed ECs who really know what Hyde is like and about good alternatives. Chances are these ECs will not refer to Hyde.
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I don't know Larry Dubinsky, or any of the facts (or rumors, for that matter) surrounding any allegations. So I'm not qualified to talk about it.
When I was there, I remember a VERY clear policy on boys in girls dorms and girls in boys dorms. In fact, even when working on projects together, I was never let further than the downstairs rec area of the girls' dorm - I never saw a girls' room, now that I think about it.
So I don't remember a lax sex policy. I also do not have any recollection of any "mistakes", any mid-year diappearances (for unexplained circumstances), nor any indication that sex was a tolerated activity between students. And, as far as sex between a student and a teacher is concerned (and putting the legal issues aside for a moment), I can't imagine Hyde tolerating that either.
However, I do have to admit to something that is going to sound quite chauvenistic and possibly misogynistic. There was, to my 8th grade, 13 year old, hormonally-charged mind, two types of girls at Hyde. There were those that I would've said were prudish... and those that I would've said were sluttish. Through the lens of time, I would now say that the prudish girls were actually better classified as introverts... and the sluttish ones would've been extroverts. And lumping them just into those two categories is unfair.
But from the sluttish side, I did see a few girls who would try to act beyond their years - dressing in a way to attract attention and wearing more makeup than would ever be considered necessary. As stated in many of my other posts, my guess is that these students were also probably in need of attention that Hyde wasn't equipped to provide. I further suppose that this need of attention manifested itself in ways that were inappropriate.
This is, of course, no excuse for a person in a position of authority or dominance to take advantage ... and because of the tenuous nature of some of the psyches of these young women, their actions were not necessarily rational nor that of an adult. Which means that even if someone from the outside were to argue that they were "asking for it" based on their behavior/dress/etc... they simply didn't have the capacity.
All in all, what I'm trying to say (and I think I'm messing it up here royally) is that the type of student who was at Hyde when I was there was generally the type that was looking ... needing ... begging ... for adult attention. My guess is that the young women (who mature sexually far earlier than the boys) acted in a way that would encourage a less-than-balanced man to react in way that was less than appropriate.
Add that to a place that is already high-stress ... and where the balance of power is on constant display... and I'm guessing you have a sexual powder keg waiting to go off.
This is primarily why many boarding schools are single-gender. And why many staff members at many boarding schools are only hired if they're older and married. In fact, in my military school days, I can tell you that of all of the staff, there were only 2 women (an art teacher and a nurse) amongst all of the men. And I'm guessing they did that for this very reason.
The way to deal with this after the fact is to immediately remove any teacher/administrator who is linked in any material way to any inappropriate behavior. This is also an unfair reality... but one that has to exist to maintain credibility. This will, of course, limit certain activities - and will force teacher-pairs at almost everything. But sometimes that's what's necessary to prevent the so-called "appearance of impropriety."
Anyways, long answer to a short question... and I'm not even sure I answered it. It's getting late here and I'm not sure I'm thinking totally clearly.
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However, I do have to admit to something that is going to sound quite chauvenistic and possibly misogynistic. There was, to my 8th grade, 13 year old, hormonally-charged mind, two types of girls at Hyde. There were those that I would've said were prudish... and those that I would've said were sluttish. Through the lens of time, I would now say that the prudish girls were actually better classified as introverts... and the sluttish ones would've been extroverts.
Actually sounds like a madonna/whore complex. Two types of women: nice clean wholesome girls who are like your mom, and the nasty slutty ones that want sex. You may want to see some one about that.
http://www.primal-page.com/madonna.htm (http://www.primal-page.com/madonna.htm)
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Fletch talks about the "appearance of impropriety." Fletch, you haven't been at Hyde for a long time but as the old man gets older, he also is becoming more set in his ways! He does things HIS way and does not care about anything beyond the walls at Hyde.
Unfortunately Hyde has their own set of rules and laws. I've seen them do things that nowadays would be considered child neglect, child abuse, and child endangerment. I state facts, not rumors. There was a boy in need of medical help who was left to fend for himself. This was a case where the parents should have been called but as usual Hyde did what they felt was right. Staff watched a 15 year old girl walk away in the middle of the night without bothering to ensure her safety. Never even called the police to try and intercept her.
I could be wrong, but it seems to me that Hyde has a responsibility to keep these students safe from harm and they could be liable when they don't. I also don't understand this whole scandal about Larry Dubinsky. If indeed there was a court case against him or the school wouldn't you think they would keep him off campus? According to the many posts, he has not only been on campus but has been helping to coach a female team. I was told by a parent that one of the girls was complaining about him this year.
Hyde is not all bad. As you said Hyde can help a selected few. I think the amount of Alumni who attended the recent gathering tells it all. Hyde has two campuses and one of those campuses has been in existence for 40 years. The other one has been in existence 5 years. Hyde probably averages 150-180 students per year at each campus. There have been some years where there are more students passing through the doors and other years long ago where there were less. One of the posters bragged about how there were 500 people at this Alumni gathering. Do the math!! Not very impressive when probably half of that amount were staff and family.
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On 2006-06-20 10:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Fletch talks about the "appearance of impropriety." Fletch, you haven't been at Hyde for a long time but as the old man gets older, he also is becoming more set in his ways! He does things HIS way and does not care about anything beyond the walls at Hyde.
Unfortunately Hyde has their own set of rules and laws. I've seen them do things that nowadays would be considered child neglect, child abuse, and child endangerment. I state facts, not rumors. There was a boy in need of medical help who was left to fend for himself. This was a case where the parents should have been called but as usual Hyde did what they felt was right. Staff watched a 15 year old girl walk away in the middle of the night without bothering to ensure her safety. Never even called the police to try and intercept her.
I could be wrong, but it seems to me that Hyde has a responsibility to keep these students safe from harm and they could be liable when they don't. I also don't understand this whole scandal about Larry Dubinsky. If indeed there was a court case against him or the school wouldn't you think they would keep him off campus? According to the many posts, he has not only been on campus but has been helping to coach a female team. I was told by a parent that one of the girls was complaining about him this year.
Hyde is not all bad. As you said Hyde can help a selected few. I think the amount of Alumni who attended the recent gathering tells it all. Hyde has two campuses and one of those campuses has been in existence for 40 years. The other one has been in existence 5 years. Hyde probably averages 150-180 students per year at each campus. There have been some years where there are more students passing through the doors and other years long ago where there were less. One of the posters bragged about how there were 500 people at this Alumni gathering. Do the math!! Not very impressive when probably half of that amount were staff and family. "
Nice math. First ten years at Bath the classes were miniscule. But just say for the sake of argument let say 150 student body. That one fifty turns every _four_ years so that is 1500 students total. If each student has two parents then that is 4500 people. So hyde had an over 10% turn out of all the parents/students that have ever been involved with it. Hey the Mathamatics at hyde were not that bad.
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I'm not exactly sure what you want me to respond to from your last post.
In my personal opinion, a boarding school should go above and beyond when it comes to providing a safe place for their students. An allegation alone should not mean that staff is removed/punished. However, multiple confirmed allegations, should be dealt with swiftly.
My legal opinion, on the other hand, is that unless and until there is proven harassment/assault, allegations can be very dangerous - especially when in a boarding school environment.
These two opinions create a conflict for me that I'm not sure how to resolve. If the decision was up to me, I suppose I would do anything and everything in my power to get to the truth as quickly and as least painfully for everyone involved. And then I would make a decision and stick to it.
But you are also correct, from a legal perspective, that Hyde has a duty to keep the students safe from harm. If it were to come out that they knowingly had a predator on staff, they could be liable for a significant amount of damages in the event of a problem with that staff person.
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On 2006-06-20 10:35:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-20 10:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Fletch talks about the "appearance of impropriety." Fletch, you haven't been at Hyde for a long time but as the old man gets older, he also is becoming more set in his ways! He does things HIS way and does not care about anything beyond the walls at Hyde.
Unfortunately Hyde has their own set of rules and laws. I've seen them do things that nowadays would be considered child neglect, child abuse, and child endangerment. I state facts, not rumors. There was a boy in need of medical help who was left to fend for himself. This was a case where the parents should have been called but as usual Hyde did what they felt was right. Staff watched a 15 year old girl walk away in the middle of the night without bothering to ensure her safety. Never even called the police to try and intercept her.
I could be wrong, but it seems to me that Hyde has a responsibility to keep these students safe from harm and they could be liable when they don't. I also don't understand this whole scandal about Larry Dubinsky. If indeed there was a court case against him or the school wouldn't you think they would keep him off campus? According to the many posts, he has not only been on campus but has been helping to coach a female team. I was told by a parent that one of the girls was complaining about him this year.
Hyde is not all bad. As you said Hyde can help a selected few. I think the amount of Alumni who attended the recent gathering tells it all. Hyde has two campuses and one of those campuses has been in existence for 40 years. The other one has been in existence 5 years. Hyde probably averages 150-180 students per year at each campus. There have been some years where there are more students passing through the doors and other years long ago where there were less. One of the posters bragged about how there were 500 people at this Alumni gathering. Do the math!! Not very impressive when probably half of that amount were staff and family. "
Nice math. First ten years at Bath the classes were miniscule. But just say for the sake of argument let say 150 student body. That one fifty turns every _four_ years so that is 1500 students total. If each student has two parents then that is 4500 people. So hyde had an over 10% turn out of all the parents/students that have ever been involved with it. Hey the Mathamatics at hyde were not that bad. "
WRONG!! The 4x is totally off and if you are involved at Hyde you would know this. Families come and go constantly at Hyde. Let's be totally honest here.
Do the math of just the Gauld clan and their extended family who all run the school. Also there were plenty of staff and their families at this event. Sorry, I don't see this figure of yours as being accurate or even close to it.
Hyde has a very low percentage of Alumni vs families who passed through Hyde.
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On 2006-06-20 10:57:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-20 10:35:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-20 10:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Fletch talks about the "appearance of impropriety." Fletch, you haven't been at Hyde for a long time but as the old man gets older, he also is becoming more set in his ways! He does things HIS way and does not care about anything beyond the walls at Hyde.
Unfortunately Hyde has their own set of rules and laws. I've seen them do things that nowadays would be considered child neglect, child abuse, and child endangerment. I state facts, not rumors. There was a boy in need of medical help who was left to fend for himself. This was a case where the parents should have been called but as usual Hyde did what they felt was right. Staff watched a 15 year old girl walk away in the middle of the night without bothering to ensure her safety. Never even called the police to try and intercept her.
I could be wrong, but it seems to me that Hyde has a responsibility to keep these students safe from harm and they could be liable when they don't. I also don't understand this whole scandal about Larry Dubinsky. If indeed there was a court case against him or the school wouldn't you think they would keep him off campus? According to the many posts, he has not only been on campus but has been helping to coach a female team. I was told by a parent that one of the girls was complaining about him this year.
Hyde is not all bad. As you said Hyde can help a selected few. I think the amount of Alumni who attended the recent gathering tells it all. Hyde has two campuses and one of those campuses has been in existence for 40 years. The other one has been in existence 5 years. Hyde probably averages 150-180 students per year at each campus. There have been some years where there are more students passing through the doors and other years long ago where there were less. One of the posters bragged about how there were 500 people at this Alumni gathering. Do the math!! Not very impressive when probably half of that amount were staff and family. "
Nice math. First ten years at Bath the classes were miniscule. But just say for the sake of argument let say 150 student body. That one fifty turns every _four_ years so that is 1500 students total. If each student has two parents then that is 4500 people. So hyde had an over 10% turn out of all the parents/students that have ever been involved with it. Hey the Mathamatics at hyde were not that bad. "
WRONG!! The 4x is totally off and if you are involved at Hyde you would know this. Families come and go constantly at Hyde. Let's be totally honest here.
Do the math of just the Gauld clan and their extended family who all run the school. Also there were plenty of staff and their families at this event. Sorry, I don't see this figure of yours as being accurate or even close to it.
Hyde has a very low percentage of Alumni vs families who passed through Hyde."
So you are saying that my 10% is low since a lot of the folks bail and would not be expected to show at an event like this.
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Hyde blows. they tossle ur tangle
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I think the amount of Alumni who attended the recent gathering tells it all. Hyde has two campuses and one of those campuses has been in existence for 40 years. The other one has been in existence 5 years. Hyde probably averages 150-180 students per year at each campus. There have been some years where there are more students passing through the doors and other years long ago where there were less. One of the posters bragged about how there were 500 people at this Alumni gathering. Do the math!! Not very impressive when probably half of that amount were staff and family.
The 150-180 is not accurate at all by today's figures. You are assuming that if 180 enrolled, 180 stayed the course. This is wrong. First of all, if the website says Hyde enrolled 180 in a given year, many more than that 180 enrolled and then left or were asked to leave. Hyde needs to give these true figures in order for their material to be accurate. The same goes for their very high rate of college acceptances. Hyde should let us know the percentage of kids who go through the program and are in college after the first year. If they did provide this you would see a percentage that is not very impressive.
How about it Hyde. How many kids who have done two years at Hyde, (not necessarily graduated) are in college two years later?
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I think the amount of Alumni who attended the recent gathering tells it all. Hyde has two campuses and one of those campuses has been in existence for 40 years. The other one has been in existence 5 years. Hyde probably averages 150-180 students per year at each campus. There have been some years where there are more students passing through the doors and other years long ago where there were less. One of the posters bragged about how there were 500 people at this Alumni gathering. Do the math!! Not very impressive when probably half of that amount were staff and family.
The 150-180 is not accurate at all by today's figures. You are assuming that if 180 enrolled, 180 stayed the course. This is wrong. First of all, if the website says Hyde enrolled 180 in a given year, many more than that 180 enrolled and then left or were asked to leave. Hyde needs to give these true figures in order for their material to be accurate. The same goes for their very high rate of college acceptances. Hyde should let us know the percentage of kids who go through the program and are in college after the first year. If they did provide this you would see a percentage that is not very impressive.
How about it Hyde. How many kids who have done two years at Hyde, (not necessarily graduated) are in college two years later?
I agree it would be nice to see the statistics on college graduates. Can anyone provide us with this?
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im going to say this, i am tired of hearing students bitch about basic things, like sports, ohh my coach made me work out wa wa wa. so what . or brothers keeper, yah it can be a little wack but the part i remember is if a friend is struggling with a drug problem to step in and say hey wtf man. really if you child is ultra spoiled they don't send tehm there cause they are to fragile to handle anything, and they bitch about everything.
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yah, and also when kids try and act like they know everything about a fucking subject, so waht you don't know it all, if you knew anything you would know not to trust the internet.
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im going to say this, i am tired of hearing students bitch about basic things, like sports, ohh my coach made me work out wa wa wa. so what . or brothers keeper, yah it can be a little wack but the part i remember is if a friend is struggling with a drug problem to step in and say hey wtf man. really if you child is ultra spoiled they don't send tehm there cause they are to fragile to handle anything, and they bitch about everything.
The statement above tells it all. Please understand I am not discounting what you are saying, but it is obvious you are not a college bound student. You don't seem like the typical Prep School student. How long have you been at Hyde?
Hyde does not advertise itself as a program that treats drug addiction yet many kids who have come on this board talk about drug struggles including you. Aren't our kids better off in a drug addiction facility that has professionals on staff who treat drug addiction?
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im going to say this, i am tired of hearing students bitch about basic things, like sports, ohh my coach made me work out wa wa wa. so what . or brothers keeper, yah it can be a little wack but the part i remember is if a friend is struggling with a drug problem to step in and say hey wtf man. really if you child is ultra spoiled they don't send tehm there cause they are to fragile to handle anything, and they bitch about everything.
Then you won't have a problem discussing and debating the "brother's keeper" method of "treatment".........right?
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i am in college, and have been. i spent three years at hyde. forgive any gramatical errors because i am horrible gramaticly.
i don't consider it treatment at all. Most kids are just whiney(i was also) and so they tend to exagerate a little.
i agree that it isn't a place that people with drug addictions sould go. they belong in a facility with proper treatment and not just A.A. I am not discounting the sobriety program because i have seen it save lives.
I have had friends with drug problems and this school has helped to give me the confidence to step up to tehm and put the friendship on the line.
Also teh way that brothers keeper is defined in the school is not realistic in the real world. there is no way that someone is going to run to their boss to tell them that another employee stole a pen, or paper. that is not the "essence" of brothers keeper. BK is more of looking out for people arpound you and halping them to lead productive lives.
i won't be saintly and pretend that all my friends live amazing productive lives but also there is a point when you need to let people fail on their own. when you need to remove all the training wheels and let them fail and then get back up on their own. most of these kids that go to hyde also have their parents still wanting to hold on the training wheels still. when all they really need to do is let tehm fail on their own and learn to ask for help. to know their limits
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i am in college, and have been. i spent three years at hyde. forgive any gramatical errors because i am horrible gramaticly.
i don't consider it treatment at all. Most kids are just whiney(i was also) and so they tend to exagerate a little.
i agree that it isn't a place that people with drug addictions sould go. they belong in a facility with proper treatment and not just A.A. I am not discounting the sobriety program because i have seen it save lives.
I have had friends with drug problems and this school has helped to give me the confidence to step up to tehm and put the friendship on the line.
Also teh way that brothers keeper is defined in the school is not realistic in the real world. there is no way that someone is going to run to their boss to tell them that another employee stole a pen, or paper. that is not the "essence" of brothers keeper. BK is more of looking out for people arpound you and halping them to lead productive lives.
i won't be saintly and pretend that all my friends live amazing productive lives but also there is a point when I want you to let people fail on their own. when I want you to remove all the training wheels and let them fail and then get back up on their own. most of these kids that go to hyde also have their parents still wanting to hold on the training wheels still. when all they really need to do is let tehm fail on their own and learn to ask for help. to know their limits
Something is very fishy about the above posting. You are in college but you can't spell easy words? Sorry, but I really don't trust that you are who you say you are. Then again you say you spent three years at Hyde and you can't spell or write......hmmmmm.....not saying much about the scholastics at Hyde!!
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i am in college, and have been. i spent three years at hyde. forgive any gramatical errors because i am horrible gramaticly.
i don't consider it treatment at all. Most kids are just whiney(i was also) and so they tend to exagerate a little.
i agree that it isn't a place that people with drug addictions sould go. they belong in a facility with proper treatment and not just A.A. I am not discounting the sobriety program because i have seen it save lives.
I have had friends with drug problems and this school has helped to give me the confidence to step up to tehm and put the friendship on the line.
Also teh way that brothers keeper is defined in the school is not realistic in the real world. there is no way that someone is going to run to their boss to tell them that another employee stole a pen, or paper. that is not the "essence" of brothers keeper. BK is more of looking out for people arpound you and halping them to lead productive lives.
i won't be saintly and pretend that all my friends live amazing productive lives but also there is a point when I want you to let people fail on their own. when I want you to remove all the training wheels and let them fail and then get back up on their own. most of these kids that go to hyde also have their parents still wanting to hold on the training wheels still. when all they really need to do is let tehm fail on their own and learn to ask for help. to know their limits
Something is very fishy about the above posting. You are in college but you can't spell easy words? Sorry, but I really don't trust that you are who you say you are. Then again you say you spent three years at Hyde and you can't spell or write......hmmmmm.....not saying much about the scholastics at Hyde!!
Many people have difficulty spelling. I am among them. I have a measured IQ in the 140 range, have an engineering degree magna cum, etc, etc. I have a hard time spelling. Big deal. We are not submitting english papers to sumner hawley. We are exchanging thoughts about hyde. If the only wak thing you can come up with is ripping some one for spelling .......
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i am in college, and have been. i spent three years at hyde. forgive any gramatical errors because i am horrible gramaticly.
i don't consider it treatment at all. Most kids are just whiney(i was also) and so they tend to exagerate a little.
i agree that it isn't a place that people with drug addictions sould go. they belong in a facility with proper treatment and not just A.A. I am not discounting the sobriety program because i have seen it save lives.
I have had friends with drug problems and this school has helped to give me the confidence to step up to tehm and put the friendship on the line.
Also teh way that brothers keeper is defined in the school is not realistic in the real world. there is no way that someone is going to run to their boss to tell them that another employee stole a pen, or paper. that is not the "essence" of brothers keeper. BK is more of looking out for people arpound you and halping them to lead productive lives.
i won't be saintly and pretend that all my friends live amazing productive lives but also there is a point when I want you to let people fail on their own. when I want you to remove all the training wheels and let them fail and then get back up on their own. most of these kids that go to hyde also have their parents still wanting to hold on the training wheels still. when all they really need to do is let tehm fail on their own and learn to ask for help. to know their limits
Something is very fishy about the above posting. You are in college but you can't spell easy words? Sorry, but I really don't trust that you are who you say you are. Then again you say you spent three years at Hyde and you can't spell or write......hmmmmm.....not saying much about the scholastics at Hyde!!
Many people have difficulty spelling. I am among them. I have a measured IQ in the 140 range, have an engineering degree magna cum, etc, etc. I have a hard time spelling. Big deal. We are not submitting english papers to sumner hawley. We are exchanging thoughts about hyde. If the only wak thing you can come up with is ripping some one for spelling .......
Just as I thought! You are playing us. You are a little too obvious. I don't think anyone should waste their time replying to you including me! All on this board should ignore this phony student!
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i am in college, and have been. i spent three years at hyde. forgive any gramatical errors because i am horrible gramaticly.
i don't consider it treatment at all. Most kids are just whiney(i was also) and so they tend to exagerate a little.
i agree that it isn't a place that people with drug addictions sould go. they belong in a facility with proper treatment and not just A.A. I am not discounting the sobriety program because i have seen it save lives.
I have had friends with drug problems and this school has helped to give me the confidence to step up to tehm and put the friendship on the line.
Also teh way that brothers keeper is defined in the school is not realistic in the real world. there is no way that someone is going to run to their boss to tell them that another employee stole a pen, or paper. that is not the "essence" of brothers keeper. BK is more of looking out for people arpound you and halping them to lead productive lives.
i won't be saintly and pretend that all my friends live amazing productive lives but also there is a point when I want you to let people fail on their own. when I want you to remove all the training wheels and let them fail and then get back up on their own. most of these kids that go to hyde also have their parents still wanting to hold on the training wheels still. when all they really need to do is let tehm fail on their own and learn to ask for help. to know their limits
So are you saying that most of the kids who are in Hyde for behavioral problems really don't need to be there? Maybe the parents just need to step up and do their jobs?
How many kids with supposed drug problems ARE there, since you say it really isn't the place for them.
How does the Brother's Keeper concept work inside the school? Did you find that helpful?
What do you mean by the "confidence to put the friendship in the line"?
Anon, I understand your instinct to dismiss this poster. I too am questioning their motives but I think a lot can be learned from what they're saying, even if it's not the message they intended to give.
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i am in college, and have been. i spent three years at hyde. forgive any gramatical errors because i am horrible gramaticly.
i don't consider it treatment at all. Most kids are just whiney(i was also) and so they tend to exagerate a little.
i agree that it isn't a place that people with drug addictions sould go. they belong in a facility with proper treatment and not just A.A. I am not discounting the sobriety program because i have seen it save lives.
I have had friends with drug problems and this school has helped to give me the confidence to step up to tehm and put the friendship on the line.
Also teh way that brothers keeper is defined in the school is not realistic in the real world. there is no way that someone is going to run to their boss to tell them that another employee stole a pen, or paper. that is not the "essence" of brothers keeper. BK is more of looking out for people arpound you and halping them to lead productive lives.
i won't be saintly and pretend that all my friends live amazing productive lives but also there is a point when I want you to let people fail on their own. when I want you to remove all the training wheels and let them fail and then get back up on their own. most of these kids that go to hyde also have their parents still wanting to hold on the training wheels still. when all they really need to do is let tehm fail on their own and learn to ask for help. to know their limits
Something is very fishy about the above posting. You are in college but you can't spell easy words? Sorry, but I really don't trust that you are who you say you are. Then again you say you spent three years at Hyde and you can't spell or write......hmmmmm.....not saying much about the scholastics at Hyde!!
Many people have difficulty spelling. I am among them. I have a measured IQ in the 140 range, have an engineering degree magna cum, etc, etc. I have a hard time spelling. Big deal. We are not submitting english papers to sumner hawley. We are exchanging thoughts about hyde. If the only wak thing you can come up with is ripping some one for spelling .......
Just as I thought! You are playing us. You are a little too obvious. I don't think anyone should waste their time replying to you including me! All on this board should ignore this phony student!
Please ignore me. Ingore ance is bliss.
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This place is an abusive cult run by Joe Gauld and all his offspring and their spouses, plus Malcolm Gauld’s wife Laura Denton Gauld and her sister Claire Denton Grant and Claire’s husband Ken Grant. This clan has been psychologically and physically harming kids and their families for decades while paying their mostly high-turnover faculty next to nothing and making themselves rich. The only other place where they do spend lots of money is PR/marketing, producing endless glossy photos, videos of smiling kids, and substance-less spinning explanations of what they “offer”. Hyde is on a number of watchlists in the troubled teen industry survivors groups for alleged human rights abuses. There has been a huge number sexual assault accusations by students towards faculty and other students, which always gets promptly swept under the rug by the Gauld dynasty. Google “Hiler v Hyde” for proof of just one incident that resulted in Hyde paying off the family in a court settlement because of a teacher with a known history fondling a student.
Joe gauld is a narcissistic abuser who used to hit all the students and bragged about it in TIME and other local and national journals. This “school” employs no psychologists or mental health professionals while accepting “problem kids” with every issue from drug abuse to bipolar to a history of trauma, and then “treats” them with unscientific, made up, “character building”, sometimes racist and homophobic cult nonsense. They force kids exercise through tears and horrific pain, sometimes to the point of injury. They are chronically medically neglectful. If you want pitiful academics, cultlike nonsense, a high level of nepotism, no real science based help for anyone’s issues, physical and emotional abuse, and fake family “seminar” (pseudo-counseling) led by uneducated 22 year olds which do participants far more harm than good, as well as having to pay for your kid to be in therapy to recover from Hyde for the next 20 years, all for the low, low price of $60-70k plus $5k for summer plus travel, then Hyde School is the right choice for you!
Look up Hyde school on Yelp, message boards, on Amazon, on Reddit.. just Google the words “Hyde School abuse” or “Hyde school complaints”. Don’t be seduced by their non-committal spin, their vague, empty promises, and their photos of the happy kids on a ropes course (which a child might see one single time in a year). This is a dangerous, irresponsible, abusive environment for any human being to be in. There are also more than 160 dead former Hyde students, many from suicide and drug overdose, most died under age 30. Google it.