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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: psy on January 18, 2008, 09:32:02 PM
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I'm very serious.
I want his real name and who he works for. I'll keep the info donor anonymous if requested and payment in cash is possible.
@TheWho: You need not worry about your identity being released if you are merely "just a parent". I stand by my confidentiality policy. That being said, If you are who I believe you to be I will make sure everybody knows it.
Edit: a guest (a real guest, a serious one) has added 800 to the pot for a grand total of 1000. The guest has also changed the conditions. I won't reveal his identity unless he is an industry member. The guest, on the other hand, doesn't care... There is nothing I can do about that. It's not like i'm breaking any rules here. Neither my policy of confidentiality being broken, or any rules I might be bound with my my position on fornits... All in all, i'm not really caring that much.
Go ahead, Who... keep pissing people off... if you're as much of a complete asshole in real life, one of your employees spying your screen, your sysadmin at work taking peek at your internet history, or maybe even your wife (wouldn't blame her) is going to decide to sell you out... and I'll laugh.
Edit 1/23: Somebody else has added $100 to the pot making the grand total $1100
Edit 1/23: ZenAgent has added $100 to the pot making the grand total $1200
Edit 1/23: Guest Backed out, lowering pot to $400
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I'm very serious.
I want his real name and who he works for. I'll keep the info donor anonymous if requested and payment in cash is possible.
What’s the big deal with what my name is or who I work for? The majority of the people here are anonymous.... isn’t that an option for posters or just the ones that agree with the majority here.
Is this going to happen to staff or ex-staff who post here and the conversation doesn’t go your way.. are you going to threaten to expose them to get them to say bad things about their school or program?
I am sorry I didn’t give into the pressure here, psy, but the longer you guys sit here and listen to each others stories the more close minded you are becoming... the schools are evolving every day.. the bad ones will drop by the wayside and the better ones will improve... it is happening before your eyes, but you don’t see it.
Let the people with their success stories in and allow them to speak without harassment, don’t you expect the same respect? If this forum is so balanced why are you trying to chase me off or looking to expose me? Because I am the only one who is willing to play devil’s advocate and keep it honest….. if you truly believe in what you say I should not be a threat… the truth will prevail in the end we all know that.
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I'm very serious.
I want his real name and who he works for. I'll keep the info donor anonymous if requested and payment in cash is possible.
What’s the big deal with what my name is or who I work for? The majority of the people here are anonymous.... isn’t that an option for posters or just the ones that agree with the majority here.
Is this going to happen to staff or ex-staff who post here and the conversation doesn’t go your way.. are you going to threaten to expose them to get them to say bad things about their school or program?
Today, there was a current staff member who came on here. She wasn't harassed or driven off.
I am sorry I didn’t give into the pressure here, psy, but the longer you guys sit here and listen to each others stories the more close minded you are becoming... the schools are evolving every day..
Sadly, yes. They find new and more efficient ways of conning people to make money.
the bad ones will drop by the wayside and the better ones will improve... it is happening before your eyes, but you don’t see it.
Bla bla bla.. industry self regulation. Ever read "The Jungle"? Yeah. That worked real well. The only people who argue that crap are those who benefit from the lack of regulation.
Let the people with their success stories in and allow them to speak without harassment, don’t you expect the same respect?
Respect is earned. So is venom.
If this forum is so balanced why are you trying to chase me off or looking to expose me? Because I am the only one who is willing to play devil’s advocate and keep it honest…..
Honest? Is that how you describe how you answer very simple questions... non personal questions, that are asked of you? Your deliberately deceptive answers?
if you truly believe in what you say I should not be a threat… the truth will prevail in the end we all know that.
@TheWho: You need not worry about your identity being released if you are merely "just a parent". I stand by my confidentiality policy. That being said, If you are who I believe you to be I will make sure everybody knows it.
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Today, there was a current staff member who came on here. She wasn't harassed or driven off.
I was treated pretty well at first also.
Bla bla bla.. industry self regulation. Ever read "The Jungle"? Yeah. That worked real well. The only people who argue that crap are those who benefit from the lack of regulation.
I could care less if they are regulated or not. You think regulation is going to do a dam thing to get rid of the abusive programs…phfssst. Your wasting your time… the government never help anyone except themselves…. The consumers (parents) are going to be the ones to change the industry and it is already happening.
Respect is earned. So is venom.
Agreed..so no more belly aching that I disrespected a survivor..okay?
Honest? Is that how you describe how you answer very simple questions... non personal questions, that are asked of you? Your deliberately deceptive answers?
I have answered every question honestly…. But if you are convinced I am an industry person then your view is skewed and it would seem to you as deception.
@TheWho: You need not worry about your identity being released if you are merely "just a parent". I stand by my confidentiality policy. That being said, If you are who I believe you to be I will make sure everybody knows it.
Well just remember that… if I trusted you I would give you my name today…. I don’t think that Mr. Newman was connected to the industry was he? And you exposed me thinking I was him…why should I trust you?
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Well just remember that… if I trusted you I would give you my name today…. I don’t think that Mr. Newman was connected to the industry was he? And you exposed me thinking I was him…why should I trust you?
You CLAIMED TO BE Alan Newman. PUBLICLY! You also signed your emails "Alan". Your IP from the email also did locate to approximately Newton Mass. You also clamied (still claim) to live in Newton Mass. Cut that crap out. All I did was point it out. It isn't my fault you represented yourself in public as somebody you weren't.
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Well just remember that… if I trusted you I would give you my name today…. I don’t think that Mr. Newman was connected to the industry was he? And you exposed me thinking I was him…why should I trust you?
You CLAIMED TO BE Alan Newman. PUBLICLY! You also signed your emails "Alan". Your IP from the email also did locate to approximately Newton Mass. You also clamied (still claim) to live in Newton Mass. Cut that crap out. All I did was point it out. It isn't my fault you represented yourself in public as somebody you weren't.
A.N.O.N. Which was Alan Newman Of Newton.... I claimed to be Anon, psy, there are plenty of Alan Newmans in the world. You choose to expose me , thinking I was this guy.... so lets say, for the sake of argument, it was me...was he connected to the industry?
You claim you will hold the information confidential..yet your track record speaks otherwise. Before you start to discredit others you should look at yourself.
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"Well just remember that… if I trusted you I would give you my name today…. I don’t think that Mr. Newman was connected to the industry was he? And you exposed me thinking I was him…why should I trust you?"
....................struggling teenage lives are on the line..............
.....if you don't do everything in your power.......to.....save....them....you've...failed.........
----------you're cause is glorious_______You are so ingenious_____
IF YOU GAVE A FUCK ABOUT A CAUSE YOU'D PUT IT ON THE LINE.
YOU'RE A HIRED GUN. $$$$$$$$$$
Posting here 4 times a day for 3 years isn't commitment - it's evidence of your paycheck and dementia.
Shall we reconveine in you local dojo?
- The calgon that whisks you way
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Aren't you glad you aren't TheWho's kid?
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He's really alan rickman (http://www.twwn.net/DidYouKnow/alan_rickman.jpg)
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Los Hijos y me will run this cabron to ground, Señor Psy. Dios mio, man... I gonna chingo esta cerdo puto Señor Who por nada, por que... las mujeres blanca estan la mierda.
Badgez? We don' need no steenkin' BADG-EZ!
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I up that bounty to $1000.
i am a guest, but i am here every day, i read every post. once you have his identity just say you do, leave a contact, and i'll get back to you.
and I WILL reveal his identity, only not to the public, parent of no parent. I will make sure he is unable to ever get a goverment job, benefits, insurance, bank loan, send his kids to a state school, get a credit card, or even pass a firearms background check. I have that power. I will also make sure that unless he moves deep into the congo, he wont be able to step outside his house without being harassed by his neighbors.
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What else will you shell out a grand for?
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Yet another person has come forward, adding $100 to the pot for a grand total of $1100
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Congratulations to TheWho on his victory over Fornits. TheWho says jump, fornits asks "how high?!" Pathetic, every single one of you.
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Congratulations to TheWho on his victory over Fornits. TheWho says jump, fornits asks "how high?!" Pathetic, every single one of you.
Put my "pathetic" ass down for another $100 and make it $1200.
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Not to denigrate what anyone is trying to do, but how do you intend to use the information (TheWho's identity) once you get it? What will make it worth the money spent? I ask sheerly out of curiosity.
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The information is to be used inform myself, for one, of exactly TheWho's identity.
He gets on here, by his own admission, and "counsels" or "advises" parents as to the best programs. He says he does it for free, and the point is moot actually. TheWho is acting, essentially, as an edcon - by his very own admission. I for one, would like to know exactly who is disseminating out misinformation, alternating bewteen posting guest and hinmelf, and carrying on imaginary conversations with himself. He denigrates and mocks surviviors - calls their experience a lie. Kinda like the neo-nazi holocaust deniers.
I think if he is going basically call himself an expert, we should know exactly what kind of expert he is and precisely who he works for.
I ponied up some cash. Not the bulk, but some. I have no respect for TheWho and would like to see his troll-ass gone from this forum.
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Ill even offer up Bob Pegler or Adam McLain to give the Who a dance in his ass if we find out who he is
;D :ftard:
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sorry for the disapointment, but i contacted my lawyer and found out this is quite illegal. i also gave it some thought, and reconsidered, i know, it sucks, but i cant participate in this. subtract the $800...
plus, considering i am always annon, i dont really feel comfy sending money to anyone related to the site, even cash can be traced, especially considering to get $800, i need to go to the bank, which registers the serial numbers of every bill.
thewho can easily file a suit against us for a variety of reasons if we do happen to put a price on his identity...and whoever the who works for can cover legal costs much easier than us. plus, this is just going to give them another reason to go after fornits as a whole. the court will look at us as in the wrong. We have the ability to force user registration, and/or ban people. if we really dont like the who, the judge will most likely (99.99%) say we can ban him and be over with it, instead of destroying his life.
also, the way i see it...thewho spends ALL of his time here. from morning, deep into the late night, almost every day. his life already sucks, he wouldnt be on the computer constantly if it didnt. we on the other hand, go on with our lives every day, and for the most part, enjoy them regardless of what thewho types. in essence, we are already victorious over him because were are causing him to spend all his time here. he's kinda like the WoW or everquest addicts, but worse. it's a pretty miserable existence, regardless of what he's getting paid, if he's getting paid.
these schools have already gotten the govt's attention. as long as romney doesnt get elected, the hearings and investigations will continue, and eventually ( i hope ) the industry will come to an end or at least be reformed. why should i waste my time and money fucking someone who's already being fucked from every direction?
he can try to refer parents all he wants, most of the parents know better than to listen to him. if they are that stupid, their kids will get sent away, and when they get out thats one more kid on our side. the reason nothing significant has been done against the industry as of yet, is because there are not enough voices. they still think they can get away with it because theres not much serious, angry protest outside of fornits. the reason hidden lake's lawsuit was not class certified wasnt because of a lack of a case - it was practically airtight. it's because no one showed up. the judge figured since not enough people care enough to show up, not enough people care. the more people get sent away, the more people we have on our side. in a sense, thewho is helping us reach the critical mass we need in order to have any sort of influence.
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If you are actually the same person who offered the $800, which I doubt you are, then you're pretty ignorant - and whatever lawyer you spoke with is an idiot. It's not illegal to post public information. If you can find the info, post it. As an example, check out what I just posted in the PV thread!
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If you are actually the same person who offered the $800, which I doubt you are, then you're pretty ignorant - and whatever lawyer you spoke with is an idiot. It's not illegal to post public information. If you can find the info, post it. As an example, check out what I just posted in the PV thread!
It's the same person... However I, too, disagree with the lawyer.
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What lawyer did you speak with? Maybe TheWho is a lawyer LOL
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also, the way i see it...psy spends ALL of his time here. from morning, deep into the late night, almost every day. his life already sucks, he wouldnt be on the computer constantly if it didnt.
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I think what the guest is referring to is the “Pursuit of another person” or the “Act” of pursuing. The guest received some good advice from a lawyer who knows what is lying ahead in this new territory. It is not illegal to dumpster dive and find information in some states. It is illegal, though to offer a reward or payment for another’s identity.
All of us have a right to remain anonymous if we choose to (in cyberspace). If someone is intent on exposing another’s identity for the purpose of malice or ill harm then that is a crime in and of itself. This is especially sensitive now due to the rapid spread of identity theft and the courts are giving broad latitude to the people to protect themselves. Of course the tricky part is determining which state the crime was committed in and then abiding by their state laws (if they apply). If the person is from out of the country then there is little that can be done until they set foot on US soil. At that point they can easily be detained (at the point of entry) to determine their intent and if their reason for entering the US is for this purpose. This is a simple process but can be quite lengthy and the person can be detained for quite awhile while verifying intent.
The free exchange of ideas on the Internet is driven in large part by the ability of Internet users to communicate anonymously. If Internet users could be stripped of that anonymity by a civil subpoena enforced under the liberal rules of civil discovery, this would have a significant chilling effect on Internet communications and thus on basic First Amendment rights.
Doe v. 2themart.com, Inc., 140 F.Supp.2d 1088, 1093 (W.D. Wash. 2001).
People are permitted to interact pseudonymously and anonymously with each other so long as those acts are not in violation of the law. This ability to speak one's mind without the burden of the other party knowing all the facts about one's identity can foster open communication and robust debate. Furthermore, it permits persons to obtain information relevant to a sensitive or intimate condition without fear of embarrassment. People who have committed no wrong should be able to participate online without fear that someone who wishes to harass or embarrass them can file a frivolous lawsuit and thereby gain the power of the court's order to discovery their identity.
Columbia Insurance Co. v. Seescandy.com, 185 F.R.D. 573, 578 (N.D. CA. 1999)2
I personally believe this will become a “Center stage” issue until such time as there are sufficient processes in place to protect a person’s identity from theft. We should see a few landmark cases over the next several years (as we have in the past few) which will help to reshape and rewrite the existing laws. It will be interesting to see how they intend to protect our first amendment rights and how many token law breakers will serve time as examples of the teeth the future laws will hold.
This is new territory for all of us. It should be fun to be part of it.
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it's also illegal to torture and abuse kids but that does not seem to bother you any when you talk about these hellholes to parents.
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Congratulations to TheWho on his victory over Fornits. TheWho says jump, fornits asks "how high?!" Pathetic, every single one of you.
I gotta agree with the sentiment here, although I probably wouldn't have put it quite that way. As to the legalities of it, I don't know. I'm thinking its probably not a real good idea to pay to track down someone's identity. Now, OTOH, if one should happen to figure out who he is on their own, no problem. Post away.....just make sure its accurate info.
Guys, he's a complete moron. His sole reason for being here is to spread disinformation......that's why he posts anonymously encouraging 'us' to make shit up about him. Don't you get it??? He's one of them!!!! He's doing the same thing here as they all do inside the programs. Don't let him play you like the programs did. If there's a specific point that needs refuting for clarity sake, fine...but other than that, let it go. JMHO.
Peace.
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it's also illegal to torture and abuse kids but that does not seem to bother you any when you talk about these hellholes to parents.
I think that anyone who has been here long enough knows I am the first one to want to put someone in jail for abusing kids. Lets name names and get them put in jail. People need to step forward and get the ones doing harm in court or at least fired.
What people here have a hard time with is that I believe there are good programs out there which do tremendous good to many kids and families which I openly promote. The schools that do harm should be exposed and closed down.
This has always been my position.
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untill there is a system that close watches ALL programs... there are NO good programs.
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I think that anyone who has been here long enough knows I am the first one to want to put someone in jail for abusing kids.
I want my emoticons back! I'd have a shitload of ::roflmao:: all over here. Probably some rolly eyes too.
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untill there is a system that close watches ALL programs... there are NO good programs.
In your opinion..and thats okay.....checks and balances are fine and dandy...regulation will do some good for the schools that fall below a certain level, but will not effect the ones who are doing well and helping kids and families today.
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there is a very special place in hell for people like you.
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there is a very special place in hell for people like you.
I am sure your place will not be mediocre, if measured by the same standards. But thank you for the forsight.
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That special place for people like thewho is a tropical "paradise" where satan's monkey's pick the pineapples from the trees and sneakily stick them way up who's ass, after which the tropical heat causes his asshole to fester and rot with perpetual gangrene.
gives new meaning to the term "monkey butt"
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That special place for people like thewho is a tropical "paradise" where satan's monkey's pick the pineapples from the trees and sneakily stick them way up who's ass, after which the tropical heat causes his asshole to fester and rot with perpetual gangrene.
gives new meaning to the term "monkey butt"
ROFLMAO!!! :D
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the difference WHO is we do not run away from our crimes. This is not about what WE will be punished for, but what you will. If hell is anything like the biblical tales of yore we ill be in hell for not honoring our mothers and fathers and breaking basic contexts of sin. You will be there next to all the fucked up people that think hurting children for personal gain is ok and socialy acceptable.
By the way. We were wondering oh parent of marvolous CURED DAUGHTER. Where is this wonderful specimen of treatment success you boast about to all of us? And don't sign in as a guest pretending to be her.
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the difference WHO is we do not run away from our crimes.
Well I give you credit for admitting you were not perfect and your parents were the evil ones.
This is not about what WE will be punished for, but what you will. If hell is anything like the biblical tales of yore we ill be in hell for not honoring our mothers and fathers and breaking basic contexts of sin. You will be there next to all the fucked up people that think hurting children for personal gain is ok and socialy acceptable.
In the biblical sense (as you quote) we will all be there together.
By the way. We were wondering oh parent of marvolous CURED DAUGHTER. Where is this wonderful specimen of treatment success you boast about to all of us?
Off enjoying life like many others
And don't sign in as a guest pretending to be her.
No, I will leave that to the collective.
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the difference WHO is we do not run away from our crimes.
Well I give you credit for admitting you were not perfect and your parents were the evil ones.
This is not about what WE will be punished for, but what you will. If hell is anything like the biblical tales of yore we ill be in hell for not honoring our mothers and fathers and breaking basic contexts of sin. You will be there next to all the fucked up people that think hurting children for personal gain is ok and socialy acceptable.
In the biblical sense (as you quote) we will all be there together.
By the way. We were wondering oh parent of marvolous CURED DAUGHTER. Where is this wonderful specimen of treatment success you boast about to all of us?
Off enjoying life like many others
And don't sign in as a guest pretending to be her.
No, I will leave that to the collective.
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Oh my... whooter.. You're saying you've never impersonated a survivor on this forum? PFFT.. :ftard:
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the difference WHO is we do not run away from our crimes.
Well I give you credit for admitting you were not perfect and your parents were the evil ones.
This is not about what WE will be punished for, but what you will. If hell is anything like the biblical tales of yore we ill be in hell for not honoring our mothers and fathers and breaking basic contexts of sin. You will be there next to all the fucked up people that think hurting children for personal gain is ok and socialy acceptable.
In the biblical sense (as you quote) we will all be there together.
By the way. We were wondering oh parent of marvolous CURED DAUGHTER. Where is this wonderful specimen of treatment success you boast about to all of us?
Off enjoying life like many others
And don't sign in as a guest pretending to be her.
No, I will leave that to the collective.
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Oh my... whooter.. You're saying you've never impersonated a survivor on this forum? PFFT.. :ftard:
Put the link up!!
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amazing, thats all you are... and I mean the kind of amazing you think of when you see a human being do a hand stand and spit nickles out their asshole while giving a donkey a blowjob. Disgustingly amazing. The fact that you take the time to create all this bullshit.
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amazing, thats all you are... and I mean the kind of amazing you think of when you see a human being do a hand stand and spit nickles out their asshole while giving a donkey a blowjob. Disgustingly amazing. The fact that you take the time to create all this bullshit.
Oh, you will fit right in here "Monster" great debating skills. Check with Niles, he can set you up with some hate photos and porn to post when you really get pissed off because you got your facts wrong.
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We don't need any photos who. You provide all we need. Your mouth is like one giant porno picture spam/bullshit oktoberfest.
You daughter is out living life you say?
well as you say so many times "post the link"
show us how happy she is.
have her tell us how happy and thankful she is you sent her away because you did not know how to raise a child.
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Hey Who... why do you have your email address in your signature when there is a link for sending email right under your name?
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We don't need any photos who. You provide all we need. Your mouth is like one giant porno picture spam/bullshit oktoberfest.
You daughter is out living life you say?
well as you say so many times "post the link"
show us how happy she is.have her tell us how happy and thankful she is you sent her away because you did not know how to raise a child.
(http://http://www.earlham.edu/athletics/images/womenstennisteam07.jpg)
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ok, I know I shouldent be amazed I have to ask this OR state the following. First of all. THERE ARE 8 GIRLS HERE, Are all of them yours? Care to point her out maybe?
secondly this is a generic photo of a sports team... everyone smiles in these.
Show us a photo of her at her centers, the way you speak of it you make it seem as if they were very open and honest about what they were doing so lets see her pearly whites while in a picture taken while she was staying at the best thing that ever happened to her.
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is that the girl's rugby team or something? those are some of the ugliest butch lookin chicks(?) i've ever seen. every one of them looks like the mutant spawn of olga von brawn of kershitjestan and some random jewish guy. i hope your daughter isnt the one on the back left. she looks like she's an overgrown cracked-out F.A.S baby. and the coach....peado, no doubt.
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that was not needed and uncalled for.
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I'm starting to think you're uncalled for.
phrases like "uncalled for" or calling a comment "unnecessary" is total programspeak. snap out of it. I have every right to fuck with thewho, and have fun while i'm at it, even if it makes me look like a jackass.
:'(i'm only being honest about how i feel :'(
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actualy the word uncalled for is not owned by RTC's sorry. And who's the one whos programed? Us? for simply pointing out you are being a mean little peice of shit or us for using a word that you simply think should be copyrighted by RTC staff members?
Granted hwo is not one of our favorite people... but why insult his daughter (if it even is his daughter) after all the bullshit shes put up with due to him and 7 other girls who have nothing in common with who?
Stop being a rude little jerk to prove how bad ass you are and attack the right people.
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(((LMAO))) @ we, us, our
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uh huh, keep on lauging chum. Your kind are always obnoxious regardless.
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"We've" been laughing at you since your first post.
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uh huh. if that were true you would have brought it up a while ago.
Weather you think we are a good idea, or a bad idea. It does not matter. We were people who were royaly fucked with at PV and we have learned that PV is fucking terified when we are an us. It is safer for us to attack as one rather then different people because then the staff has no clue who to look for or even BEGIN looking. There are many files of all the kids they messed up and we'd rather make it more difficult then easy. So laugh all you want, mock all you want. But don't expect us to watch you talk shit about people you don't even know to make yourself feel superior and not say anything.
The prgram behavior as you said is bullshit
so is being rude to random people you don't know.
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You continue to make a fool of yourself and provide free laughs to the few idiots that read this shit pile of a forum.
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ah yes the truth comes out.
people like you are the fools and rather pathetic to come in to a random ass thread to poke and jab half ass and meaningless insults to get chuckles. You might as well go masterbate to a Barney Tape. If you did not care, and if NO one cared truly. None of you would be in here wasting your time... even if it was for a cheap laugh... which it is not even a good one.
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(((LMAO)))) you are too much...
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uh huh, and you are nothing at all.
Tell us guest why are you not replying in the shout box for everyone to see you more publicly make fun.. and prove how bad ass and superior you are?
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((LOL))
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yeah you keep doing that but all that tells us is your full of shit. Your not laughing.. probably not even snickering because if you were you would probably be done by now. It's not really that funny and if you think it is then your parents deprived you of some damn good cartoons as a kid.
your "LOL's" are a simple way to rpove that you take everything we say as not serious. Thats fine and it's your perogative. But the reality is none of this is funny, you know it's not funny and you are just so damned bored because you have already masterbated to the point where you cant anymore for the night, OR you are The who trying (and failing misrebly) to act like a little guest troll and creates minor if none problems in a "shitty forum that no one gives a shit about). If you were anyone other then the who you would be up in the shoutbox hurling second rate insults. Then again maybe you arent the Who and just the sad little troll we described and there is no more yanky in your wanky.
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You are more entertaining than RobertBruce!
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And you are more pointless and redundant as Tony Robbins.
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every post posted by "GUEST" following my post by "hello jackass" is not me....although i do agree with guest. themonsters is a bit of a goody-two-shoes. arnt ya?!
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Hey Who... why do you have your email address in your signature when there is a link for sending email right under your name?
I have received feedback that many parents do like to interact with fornits (at first). I understand this because I was the same way when I first visited the website. Fornits can be a bit intimidating to most newbies with the porn ,language ,hatred and abuse towards parents who do post their stories… all this just jumps right out at you….. many links take you to some very obscene places,as many here know, which would cause many a parent not to come back.
It took me months before I was comfortable standing toe-toe in debate without fear the admin would get pissed and try to expose my IP etc…. which it turns out my instincts were not far off the mark. I was in their shoes, looking for information and if another parent had their email address posted so that I could write it down and then email them separate from fornits I would have opted for that and felt more comfortable.
Since I have posted my email address openly I have had more people contact me and they had also mentioned they feel safer not going thru the board. They are mostly looking for information on the industry and if fornits is safe to post in etc…. many of these people are new to forums… and no I am not making referrals (as many would like to believe).
As they gain some reassurance some of them begin to post and I guide them to some good forums to read depending on their interests (Typically away from the TTI thread for obvious reasons).
So you can see it is a very benign effort to put parents at ease and get them some information before they move on and maybe convince some to stay and read for awhile.
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As they gain some reassurance some of them begin to post and I guide them to some good forums to read depending on their interests
You send them to censored, tightly controlled and monitored sites so that no dissension or negativity creeps in. You are the LAST person to provide balanced information. You have a cursory, second-hand knowledge of the industry and try and pass yourself off as some bastion of sanity amongst the "damn disgruntled druggies". You are among the lowest of the low. The vilest of the vile. You like to think of yourself as witty and oh so clever, but you're no different than any of the other shills and thugs that run and support this insidious industry.
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You send them to censored, tightly controlled and monitored sites so that no dissension or negativity creeps in.
I guess that part was not clear, my bad, I guide them to forums (within fornits)…..
You are the LAST person to provide balanced information.
Actually I am one of the few here (maybe the only one) who is familiar with the good side of the industry as well as the bad and I speak openly about both. Many here cannot claim that.
You have a cursory, second-hand knowledge of the industry and try and pass yourself off as some bastion of sanity amongst the "damn disgruntled druggies".
I have never called nor insinuated that you are druggies… I have first hand knowledge of the industry from many perspectives…. Wilderness and Therapeutic Boarding Schools as well as extensive reading here on fornits.
You are among the lowest of the low. The vilest of the vile. You like to think of yourself as witty and oh so clever, but you're no different than any of the other shills and thugs that run and support this insidious industry.
You should read some of the stuff you write, Anne, before pointing fingers. No one can top your gutter mouth and hatred. I am used to it by now and we all realize it is part of your everyday language, but boy does it set new parents back on their heels to hear a mother speak this way.
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>those are some of the ugliest butch lookin
I think most of them are quite attractive young ladies. None of the look "butch" to me.
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Actually I am one of the few here (maybe the only one) who is familiar with the good side of the industry as well as the bad and I speak openly about both. Many here cannot claim that.
You have no experience with the inside of the industry. You have no idea what goes on behind closed doors and you refuse to acknowledge the FACT that these programs......every single one that uses the "therapeutic community", "positive peer culture" and the isolating and controlling environments ARE abusive in their very nature. It is inherently built into the phases. There is no getting around that so you just ignore and deny it.
I have never called nor insinuated that you are druggies…
I was paraphrasing and lumping what most pro-program people parrot when they here negatives about their beloved programs. We're called druggies, angry kids who can't let go, disgruntled and disturbed etc. etc.
I have first hand knowledge of the industry from many perspectives…. Wilderness and Therapeutic Boarding Schools
Really? Which ones did YOU ATTEND?
You should read some of the stuff you write, Anne, before pointing fingers. No one can top your gutter mouth and hatred. I am used to it by now and we all realize it is part of your everyday language, but boy does it set new parents back on their heels to hear a mother speak this way.
You're about the only one I speak to that way and you damn well deserve it asshole.
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You have no experience with the inside of the industry. You have no idea what goes on behind closed doors and you refuse to acknowledge the FACT that these programs......every single one that uses the "therapeutic community", "positive peer culture" and the isolating and controlling environments ARE abusive in their very nature. It is inherently built into the phases. There is no getting around that so you just ignore and deny it.
Ha,Ha,Ha, This is like a daily argument. They are not inherently abusive, not even close. You attended a program, Anne, (decades ago) which didn’t work for you and were probably abused by it from your stories. But that doesn’t give you experience with all the other schools or what is going on today. You can continue to ignore the advances and deny the industry is changing everyday but the rest of us will be keeping current and adjusting our views.
Really? Which ones did YOU ATTEND?
SUWS and ASR
You're about the only one I speak to that way and you damn well deserve it asshole.
Sure you do, Bet you say that to all the guys!!
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Really? Which ones did YOU ATTEND?
SUWS and ASR
YOU attended those?? Or your daughter did? See? That's why you're hopeless. You actually believe that what you experienced was the same or even remotely similar to what your daughter went through. You have no fucking clue as to what goes on behind closed doors. You never will.
Sure you do, Bet you say that to all the guys!!
Only the pro-program idiots, dickhead.
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YOU attended those?? Or your daughter did? See? That's why you're hopeless. You actually believe that what you experienced was the same or even remotely similar to what your daughter went through. You have no fucking clue as to what goes on behind closed doors. You never will.
Are you listening to yourself? You only attended straight right? Then how would you know what goes on in other schools? You have no experience with the industry at all, Anne. You only have experience with attending a program from the inside, nothing else. You cant state they are all the same because I could use the same argument which would mean all programs are non abusive... see what I mean? You are viewing the entire industry from one small experience which occured decades ago.
I have first hand accounts from the inner workings wilderness and TBS’s and from a parents perspective.
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I have first hand accounts from the inner workings wilderness and TBS’s and from a parents perspective.
So, in other words...ya got nuthin'. You have no idea what goes on behind closed doors and you never will.
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I have first hand accounts from the inner workings wilderness and TBS’s and from a parents perspective.
So, in other words...ya got nuthin'. You have no idea what goes on behind closed doors and you never will.
Makes you sit back and think a little bit doesn't it!! I think this discussion has opened your eyes a little bit....Just because you attended a program decades ago doesn't mean you understand the industry. Just like "Behind closed doors" (as you say) you have no knowledge of anything that has occurred since the 1980's because you were never part of it. You only know what you have read here on fornits, which is a heavily biased view (by many peoples own admittance)
The difference is I have seen the industry as it is today and you see a snap shot in time which never changes in your mind from the 1980's.
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I have first hand accounts from the inner workings wilderness and TBS’s and from a parents perspective.
So, in other words...ya got nuthin'. You have no idea what goes on behind closed doors and you never will.
Makes you sit back and think a little bit doesn't it!! I think this discussion has opened your eyes a little bit....Just because you attended a program decades ago doesn't mean you understand the industry. Just like "Behind closed doors" (as you say) you have no knowledge of anything that has occurred since the 1980's because you were never part of it. You only know what you have read here on fornits, which is a heavily biased view (by many peoples own admittance)
The difference is I have seen the industry as it is today and you see a snap shot in time which never changes in your mind from the 1980's.
Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwn
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I have first hand accounts from the inner workings wilderness and TBS’s and from a parents perspective.
So, in other words...ya got nuthin'. You have no idea what goes on behind closed doors and you never will.
Makes you sit back and think a little bit doesn't it!! I think this discussion has opened your eyes a little bit....Just because you attended a program decades ago doesn't mean you understand the industry. Just like "Behind closed doors" (as you say) you have no knowledge of anything that has occurred since the 1980's because you were never part of it. You only know what you have read here on fornits, which is a heavily biased view (by many peoples own admittance)
The difference is I have seen the industry as it is today and you see a snap shot in time which never changes in your mind from the 1980's.
Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwn
Yea, I hear ya.....................................................
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I have first hand accounts from the inner workings wilderness and TBS’s and from a parents perspective.
So, in other words...ya got nuthin'. You have no idea what goes on behind closed doors and you never will.
Makes you sit back and think a little bit doesn't it!! I think this discussion has opened your eyes a little bit....Just because you attended a program decades ago doesn't mean you understand the industry. Just like "Behind closed doors" (as you say) you have no knowledge of anything that has occurred since the 1980's because you were never part of it. You only know what you have read here on fornits, which is a heavily biased view (by many peoples own admittance)
The difference is I have seen the industry as it is today and you see a snap shot in time which never changes in your mind from the 1980's.
Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwn
Yea, I hear ya.....................................................
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No. You most definitely do not.
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I have first hand accounts from the inner workings wilderness and TBS’s and from a parents perspective.
So, in other words...ya got nuthin'. You have no idea what goes on behind closed doors and you never will.
Makes you sit back and think a little bit doesn't it!! I think this discussion has opened your eyes a little bit....Just because you attended a program decades ago doesn't mean you understand the industry. Just like "Behind closed doors" (as you say) you have no knowledge of anything that has occurred since the 1980's because you were never part of it. You only know what you have read here on fornits, which is a heavily biased view (by many peoples own admittance)
The difference is I have seen the industry as it is today and you see a snap shot in time which never changes in your mind from the 1980's.
Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwn
Yea, I hear ya.....................................................
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No. You most definitely do not.
Must had been a silent Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn, then.
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last word.
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last word.
Okay, You can have it!! Go for it
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last word.
Okay, You can have it!! Go for it
Paradoxically, you didn't let her have it... now I have the last word... if you say "I can have it" then.. well.. you have the last word.
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You all were made for each other.
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You all were made for each other.
'Splain please.
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I guess you have a point, but if I place my dialog up top like this and then leave your reply at the bottom then from a purely structural point of view your words are last.
last word.
Okay, You can have it!! Go for it
Paradoxically, you didn't let her have it... now I have the last word... if you say "I can have it" then.. well.. you have the last word.
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To the Jackass guest. goody two shoes? you must be joking.
Juts because we CAN be rotten pieces of shit and treat everyone like dog spit in a modly brown bag does not mean we should. It's called common politeness.
Yes we are by no means fond of The Who but to make cracks at people who have nothing to do with the arguemtn it petty busllshit and in it's own way EXACTLY what PV and RTC staff do. Insult people who did nothing wrong and point out there flaws.
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To the Jackass guest. goody two shoes? you must be joking.
Juts because we CAN be rotten pieces of shit and treat everyone like dog spit in a modly brown bag does not mean we should. It's called common politeness.
Yes we are by no means fond of The Who but to make cracks at people who have nothing to do with the arguemtn it petty busllshit and in it's own way EXACTLY what PV and RTC staff do. Insult people who did nothing wrong and point out there flaws.
well...you obviously dont have much of a sense of humor, nor any ability to take a hint. i have a feeling youre fat and ugly too and thats why you're so sentimental about this.
why do you think i called myself a jackass? what do you think i was trying to imply?
maybe it has something to do with using irony to point out where this board is going (down a very steep hill, that is).
regardless, i dont give a fuck about political correctness, as long as it doesnt scare away parents. as parents are not really browsing this board because of the existing porn, spam, and the nigger lynching post, it really makes no difference as of right now.
i think the time has come for this board to phase out absolute annon free speech. it seems counterproductive to the purpose of the board.
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it's not about political correctness. We dont care about that at all in fact we made comments the who said we should be careful about. PC is not an issue. It's simply rude to bring someone else who has done nothing wrong in this situation up for ridicule just because the person they are POSSIBLY connected to is a douchebag.
Yes you can say whatever you want... just don't expect people not to respond because we TOO have the power to voice what we think.
Second rate insults like "your fat and ugly" don't hurt us. We don't take anything offensive anymore... that does not mean we don't know what IS rude. Just because your dad raped you and deprived you of any social skills does not mean we have to pretend we don't either.
See? we can be cruel too because people like you usualy ARE the kinds of kids that were sexualy abused and thus frustrated that mommy never said anything... That or you are just a WoW Nerd who finds pathetic pleasure in making others feel worse because your only existence is based off a computer generated world.
But no matter
you are free to think and say as you choose... just dont expect everyone to put their thumbs up their asses and let you say it with out even calling you out on it.
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So The Monsters refer "themselves" as "we." So fucking what? I was in a program too and am all too familiar with the evils of groupthink, but I don't let the "we" stuff bother me. I suggest you stop letting it bother you. Either The Monsters really are more than one, or it's just a gimmick. Either way, it's certainly nothing to get so freaked out by. Learn to differentiate a little.
Thanks, I “differentiate” ok. I don’t freak when someone says, “manipulate” or “trust,” but an individual presenting herself as a collective unconscious disturbs me. Period.
I’m not the only one disturbed, either. How long you been out? How long “in”? I’m not out long, and was “in” long, so perhaps I’m more sensitive. No one has to change anything for me, but it would be nice not to use cult-trauma specific “triggers” in a forum for torture-cult survivors.
Likewise, going to a rape survivor forum with an avatar or a girl being raped, and including the words “I’m going to rape you” in every verbal exchange is not nice too.
One of my cults couched every exchange in the plural “we” as in, “’we’ feel you are being dishonest,” so it gets to me, especially.
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Well, ok then.. fair enough. I've been out a long while. I didn't know about the "we" thing in your program, which one was that? (The groupthink at Straight was more implicit, not so blatant as to use the word "we" like that all of the time.) My apologies for harshing on you about it.
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Well, ok then.. fair enough. I've been out a long while. I didn't know about the "we" thing in your program, which one was that? (The groupthink at Straight was more implicit, not so blatant as to use the word "we" like that all of the time.) My apologies for harshing on you about it.
It sounds like AA cult-ness, which is different from what the monsters intend...TheWho does the same thing, with his royal we-ness, but he's just using programee shit.
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Has anyone here ever read that Ayn Rand novel called Anthem? It was written like that: using we instead of I. She obviously wrote it that way to make a point. Ironically, this was a book I read while I was in 'the program.'
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dude, I read her book too.
In PV no less.
ka ZING.
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I think the poster "noone" would have a point if the use of the word “we” was used universally (within the program community) as an abusive term and was generally pervasive throughout abusive programs and or cults. If this is true then I would feel “The monsters” use of the “we” as a collective would be insensitive to many people here. This is for those who have attended programs to decide…. this may also prove to be a good topic for a poll to see how many programs use this approach and if it bothers those who have graduated from (or attended) those programs. The results may prove the sensitivity of its use here on fornits.
But speaking for myself, I use the word “we” to mean “The people on fornits” (at times). Other times it is meant to represent only those who agree (or potentially agree) with me on a specific topic (program parents for example).
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duley noted, and ignored.
opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one and most of them stink.
Yes even ours.
Just because you have a suggestion about who or what we are does not mean you are right.
You go about dealing with RTC's your way and we'll do it ours.
We are not arguing anymore.
Mmm hmm. Ok...and you wonder why vets are leaving in droves. Hey, do what you feel you need to. Y'all have fun.
And Who?l.................. one last time............
BITE MY ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff172/Anne_Bonney31/Swansong.jpg)
I don't care about ANY of the rest of this thread. I just keep going back to this gorgeous ass... I'd like to bite that apple!
DJ
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I'm very serious.
I want his real name and who he works for. I'll keep the info donor anonymous if requested and payment in cash is possible.
@TheWho: You need not worry about your identity being released if you are merely "just a parent". I stand by my confidentiality policy. That being said, If you are who I believe you to be I will make sure everybody knows it.
Edit: a guest (a real guest, a serious one) has added 800 to the pot for a grand total of 1000. The guest has also changed the conditions. I won't reveal his identity unless he is an industry member. The guest, on the other hand, doesn't care... There is nothing I can do about that. It's not like i'm breaking any rules here. Neither my policy of confidentiality being broken, or any rules I might be bound with my my position on fornits... All in all, i'm not really caring that much.
Go ahead, Who... keep pissing people off... if you're as much of a complete asshole in real life, one of your employees spying your screen, your sysadmin at work taking peek at your internet history, or maybe even your wife (wouldn't blame her) is going to decide to sell you out... and I'll laugh.
Edit 1/23: Somebody else has added $100 to the pot making the grand total $1100
Edit 1/23: ZenAgent has added $100 to the pot making the grand total $1200
Edit 1/23: Guest Backed out, lowering pot to $400
Sounds very familiar... using theWho to make money. ::deadhorse::
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TheWho is a Nazi.
Dr. Paul Joseph Goebbels (29 October 1897 – 1 May 1945) was Adolf Hitler's Propaganda Minister in Nazi Germany. He also served as Chancellor for one day, following Hitler's death. He was known for his zealous and energetic oratory and virulent anti-Semitism.
"If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth."
"Propaganda should be popular, not intellectually pleasing. It is not the task of propaganda to discover intellectual truths."
-Goebbels
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I would like to add a button to the pot. Maybe some string.
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Maybe some one already knows.