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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: SettleForNothingLess on July 14, 2007, 03:09:50 PM
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anyone ever seen Swordfish with Travolta?
even though he seems nuts, the idea is good
we should make working for or cooperating with RTCs so horrifying, no one will want to.
like in the movie, he says they bomb one church, we bomb ten. how many innocent lives have to suffer?
im not suggesting any violence like that at all so dont think im some terrorist here.. but the idea itself... watch the movie.. go rent it or buy it.. maybe we can form some ideas off of it
i dont know.. just a thought
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the quotes from the movie are:
Push the envelope
Make terrorism so horrific that it becomes unthinkable..
We should apply this concept to the abuse in this troubled teen industry but with different, safe measures.
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the idea to make these RTCs so horrifying, picking them apart bit by bit, organizing protests, whatever it may be, might be all we have left.
we need to make the world completely aware of the truths of these facilities. no matter what it takes. im ready for anything.
preparing for the worst, but hoping for the best.
Im going to pull up and dig up as much as I can on this issue.
if you think about it, staff in these places, who enjoy their work truthfully, they are like their own JiHad. They want to feel power of controlling and using as many people as they can manipulate and get to believe there misinforming of what their true intentions are. They want the control of innocent young lives, attempting in some cases seem like brainwash them into believing that they are completely helpless and hopeless without their guidance. They want kids and parents to worship them. If you dont comply with their sick and stomach churning mind control, they will make you pay for it. some payments depending on different facilities, the severity of the punishment for not complying vary.
They are sick people who live for this kind of stuff, and most of them, think they are godlike figures. In my opinion, they are the lowest as far as the rating of society and humanity go. They are trying to warp your minds, one family and one patient at a time.
We cant let them win.
Lets give em a taste of what real, humane, and sane people are.
people who arent afraid to stand up against the conformity of corruption, terroristic mold of what society is seeming to evolve into.
C'mon people. We need to get something going here. Something so powerful, it might just change human life for good for the better.
Its not going to be easy, its in fact going to be one of the most difficult things done in a long time. Lets make history here.
Who is with me now??
Im not fooling around. Im serious. We need to Unite and form a plan, so shocking that it will catch most off guard. Sometimes shocking, horrific things are the only resort left to really put a dent in something. Change the way people operate. Lets do it. Join me in this if you have the strength to do so. Dont let anyone bring you down.
I want to hear your thoughts on this.
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I'll be sure to send you some smokes and a packet of hacksaw blades when you are in the slammer!
Can I be the one holding the flame thrower please?
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I'll be sure to send you some smokes and a packet of hacksaw blades when you are in the slammer!
Can I be the one holding the flame thrower please?
Im not a terrorist...we need to step it up here tho.... Im not afraid anymore.... I live for the cause and justice shall prevail on those who have done wrong.
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I like this one. Can we keep her?
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I like this one. Can we keep her?
thanks. im dedicated here in every way possibly imaginable.
anyone else with me?!
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Well you already know how I said I would help out.
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Well you already know how I said I would help out.
i appreciate all of your guidance and support. thank you so much.
god bless you
it means a hell of alot to me!
c'mon everyone else.. who is going to step it up?!!
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listen up... we need to get motivated here... are we all together on this or not?!? each minute is priceless.. each minute we waste, another kid gets admitted to these facilities, is getting beaten up, being brutalized. Time is of the essence. Lets get serious and down to buisness here. Everyone seems to be worrying, yet what is truly being done at this very moment that will bring hope of change? Wishing and praying, is not going to get us far. It would be nice, but its just not reality. In order to make any changes, we need to do something.
From being a former program kid as you know, when I was in those places, no one helped me to get the hell outta there. I did it on my own. I took the beatings and medications and all the other bullshit, yet still didnt give a shit. I fought em all the way when i was there. I tried convincing my father to get me outtta there, but nothing could be done.
My point is, if we want to get anywhere remotely far with this horrid shit that is taking place every second of the day, we gotta start really doing something. some things are beyond the government, or things like lawsuits. Lawsuits are extremely shady and difficult to be successful at. Even if one is successful, what about the millions of others out there who may not be as lucky? Think about it.
In the beginning when I first started researching PV in my own feelings of hurt and anger, all I cared about at the time was trying to form some sort of petty lawsuit. I was unaware at the time about how what happened to me, is happening to others all over the world. Thats when I decided to put my heartache and feelings of pain aside, and use them to try and help others out there. I could have just stayed in the state of being oblivious to how serious this issue is, but I am choosing to act on it. I am going to put my pains to good use. We can all do that, but you have to be dedicated. I think it is wonderful all of the posts on sites like these, but we need more ammo than that to make a true change. Im not exactly sure what the plan should be, but Im working on it. The struggling youth out there, need us. More than some can believe or imagine.
Step up to the plate with me?
Give me some feedback here.
Time is a wasting.
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some things are beyond the government
Not this thing.
If the government, all of the government, wanted to abolish this bullshit, it would do so at a stroke. Make escorts illegal, bam. Make group homes and treatment centers only operable by the state, bam. (yes, yes, I know that won't kill everything) Make sending your kids out of the country illegal without them going to some relative, bam.
And enough lawsuits will put the company in bankruptcy. Look at the fucking HLA's getting.
If you're going to take more direct action, make sure you take some firearms classes first and spend some time on the range so you don't waste ammo and look like a retard, 'k?
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Ah yes, pass a national law like Washington and California have, saying that teens have a right to decline treatment. That's the biggest bam of them all, and would pretty much end it.
What do you WANT us to do, look like goofballs with signs?
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I am not trying to put any efforts down, I just want to keep us all united, together. ya know? i want us all to work together, those who feel stronglyabout this. i dont know why you get the impression that seemingly thinks im a "retard". I just want to cover every way possible of putting these places in their places.
thats all im trying to say.
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Im new to this stuff to a point, what I dont understand is why nothings been done yet? I mean this stuff has been going on a long time. Maybe you can help me understand here.
No need to beat one another up, after all, were in this together, no?
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http://newstandardnews.net/content/index.cfm/items/2620 (http://newstandardnews.net/content/index.cfm/items/2620)
this is what started my ranting about it... so im sorry if i am misunderstanding something..
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In the beginning when I first started researching PV in my own feelings of hurt and anger, all I cared about at the time was trying to form some sort of petty lawsuit. I was unaware at the time about how what happened to me, is happening to others all over the world. Thats when I decided to put my heartache and feelings of pain aside, and use them to try and help others out there. I could have just stayed in the state of being oblivious to how serious this issue is, but I am choosing to act on it. I am going to put my pains to good use. We can all do that, but you have to be dedicated.
Well. That is pretty much exactly what happened to me, and the process I went through to get to this point. The problem is, now, choosing a plan of attack. We all agree on what needs to be done... however, different people have different ideas on which way to go about doing it.
Right now, i'm working on a few things that won't be public for a while, but I do agree that there are more things that can, and probably should, be done to fight this industry. I could suggest a few things out of the blue, but it would be less useful than knowing what type of skills you have to offer. Can you write? artist? actor? How do you best express yourself?
In my opinion, the best way to fight this industry is to inform people that it exists. Most people don't know. Any way that can be done is a good thing.
Direct, more subversive action (surveilance, espionage) I won't discuss publicly, but I can give you some pointers on what can, and can't be done without going to jail. That being said, if you can expose abuse to the public eye, it's worth going to jail for, in my opinion, regardless of whether the information is "legally" obtained. An anonymous box of tapes dropped on the doorstep of a competent journalist (does that exist) could hypothetically work wonders.
Another idea? Contacting people who were there with you, telling them about fornits, and that there are others... "that part of my life is over.. it was hell, but it's over, and now I just want to move on" is what you are going to hear most of the time. What you say at that point is up to you... "well... there are others still there, you know, and if we don't speak out, who will?"... I suppose you could call this a "sales pitch"... don't expect it to be easy to get them to talk about it at all. At the same time, don't make it sound easy (it isn't... I know).
It's somewhat of a simplistic view to say "they have suffered... they have a right to stay silent if they want". That is correct, they have a right to stay silent, but in doing so... in saying nothing, they are helping the industry to thrive and grow, becuase nobody but us realize how broken this industry really is. In my view, survivors who stay silent are part of the problem. If you see suffering, and you don't stop it, you let it happen. Regardless of why you don't act, it's still wrong. I wouldn't say that (it would be a little too confrontational)... but make sure and mention the reason you decided to speak out (at first, revenge, and then to help others). Ask if they would be willing to help out.
Most importantly: Don't ever give up. It doesn't matter if you win or lose, but that you fight. If you ever feel frustrated enough to walk away, remember that you being here, being willing to speak, gives others hope. The more of us there are, the louder the noise we make.
What definately works? Depends on what you are up against? PV? hm.. ZenAgent would be the one to talk to about the action there.
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An anonymous box of tapes dropped on the doorstep of a competent journalist
A competent journalist? Singular?
Drop it on the doorsteps of five of them simultaneously, tell each of them about the others, and let them race to scoop each other.
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yes ZenAgent and I talk often... Im sorry if before I was a little unrealistic, im just so frustrated in not knowing what the right approach is. I want to help make a difference. That is what I live for. I just want to help others. I may have come off before too strongly and maybe sort of out of mind somewhat, I just feel stronger about this than anything ever before.
Im a Taurus so Im stubborn lol
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The senior staff list at PV isn't too hard to come by.
There's also something called a phone book. It has addresses, too. How about that?
Firearms are easy to purchase in the United States.
Enjoy.
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MGDP was here.
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Orange cake anyone?
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The senior staff list at PV isn't too hard to come by.
There's also something called a phone book. It has addresses, too. How about that?
Firearms are easy to purchase in the United States.
Enjoy.
uhh interesting take on my topic...haha..yet i think first we gotta try and do things a little safer.... :P for now at least :)
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Orange cake anyone?
sure...ill take a large slice...and make sure its the one with a lot of frosting there TSW.
:)
hhaha
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Hey, Jersey Gurl! I'm glad you've started posting, I can't think of anyone who had a worse hell-ride at PV. Sixty-plus restraints, the Thorazine and Klonopine cocktails, a litany of abuses that will cause me to lose the few hours of sleep I can still get.
I'm proud of you for going after the bastards. Going back through your time at PV is hard and I know when we started talking about it months ago it seemed like nothing could come from it - PV seems impervious. Times have changed, people are listening, and you've got some powerful things to say.
Nobody here is surprised at your anger - you have every right to be pissed. Keep that anger focused, it's potent, and if you channel it into activism you'll find it's good therapy.
Armed insurrection, though...don't plan it on the forum! PM me, and we'll get the REAL mercenaries lined up. Can you call up some Goodfellas in Jersey?
The partying went great, tell you later.
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Who needs mercs when you have an furious rage and an insane need for retribution?
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Who needs mercs when you have an furious rage and an insane need for retribution?
Or as James Brown put it, PAYBACK! I GOT TO MINE! I'M MAD! HEEEEEYYYYYY! LOVE MYSELF, KISS MYSELF - JUMP BACK!"
Or something like that...
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Sounds interesting... good movie.
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BUMPING THIS SHIT YO.
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http://newstandardnews.net/content/index.cfm/items/2620 (http://newstandardnews.net/content/index.cfm/items/2620)
this is what started my ranting about it... so im sorry if i am misunderstanding something..
Here's that article... Actually, I should really say that this is a re-post of that article. It was originally posted (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=12789) here by 001010 in November of 2005, and then again (http://http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=13081) in December of the same year, although someone has yet to reply to either thread!
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The NewStandard
Behavior Modification Money Trail (http://http://newstandardnews.net/content/index.cfm/items/2620)
by Michelle Chen
November 22, 2005
Government connections enable "teen help" industry to thwart regulation.[/list]
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At Some Youth 'Treatment' Facilities, 'Tough Love' Takes Brutal Forms* (http://http://newstandardnews.net/content/index.cfm/items/2619).[/list][/size]
The controversial world of youth behavior-modification facilities intersects with a web of intricate political connections. And where the treatment industry sees cooperation with government entities, activists warn, these links could cloud the prospects for public oversight of the "teen-help" market.
The influence of the behavior-modification industry is felt on Capitol Hill. Four members of the House of Representatives and one senator serve as honorary board members of Kids Helping Kids, a company with corporate links to a now-defunct behavior-modification program for teen drug users known as Straight Incorporated. The various franchises of that program dissolved in the early 1990s following allegations of child abuse, as well as criticism for using cruel, prisoner-of-war-style brainwashing techniques on adolescents.
Watchdog groups report that Straight Inc. has since morphed into the Drug Free America Foundation, a conservative anti-drug advocacy group. The co-founder, Mel Sembler, is a longtime Republican Party donor and fundraiser who served as ambassador to Italy for the current administration and ambassador to Australia under George H.W. Bush.
The connections are even more direct on the state level. Earlier this year in Montana, a landmark bill to impose regulatory guidelines on adolescent residential treatment facilities was squelched by a powerful lobbying campaign from private service providers. Proposed partially in response to reports of abuse and deaths in some treatment programs, the bill would have authorized the state Department of Health and Human Services to monitor private behavior-modification programs. According to government estimates, Montana contains over two dozen of these institutions, ranging from "wilderness"-based programs to disciplinary boarding academies.
To eclipse the bill, private treatment companies pushed their own legislation, which would effectively place regulatory authority not with the health department but with a five-member board under the Department of Labor. Three of the board's members are representatives of the teen treatment industry, including state Representative Paul Clark, who directs a local therapeutic wilderness program. The bill, which was recently approved by the legislature, requests no public funding and specifically exempts church-affiliated and "faith-based" programs.
According to state records, Spring Creek Lodge, an affiliate of World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS), spent over $50,000 on lobbying activities to help push the bill through the legislature.
In Utah, the WWASPS name is prominently linked to the Republican Party. The Salt Lake City Tribune reported that between 2002 and 2004, WWASPS founder Robert Lichfield, his family, and business associates have contributed a total of more than $1 million to Republican candidates and party organizations – a financial push that coincided with the killing of a 2004 initiative in the state legislature to regulate teen residential treatment facilities.
Charles Huffine, an adolescent psychiatrist who has joined other mental health professionals in urging stronger oversight of residential treatment facilities, is wary of attempts by industry interests to co-opt the regulatory process. "It's the fox-guarding-the-chicken-coop kind of thing," he remarked.
But rather than a conflict of interest, some in the teen help industry see a healthy partnership with officials. In interviews with The NewStandard, WWASPS representatives described a good working relationship between their enterprises and the agencies charged with checking up on them, like state departments of education and, at Tranquility Bay in Jamaica, the United States Embassy.
"I'm all for law enforcement," said WWASPS President Ken Kay. "I think all of our schools work closely with law enforcement and would welcome their visit every day."
Michelle Chen is a staff journalist.
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