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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones => Topic started by: Antibody? on November 21, 2003, 02:52:00 PM
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My name is Jon Pulliam and I came home from BCA in August. I am making a website that speaks out about CEDU abuses. Contact me and we will colaborate. The site should be done in two or three days.
[email protected]
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Yaay! Let me know when you go online and I'll add a link to AnonAnon.
You know, if Mama Cass Elliot would have shared that damn sandwich
with Karen Carpenter, they would both still be alive today!!!!!!!
--chongo
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[ This Message was edited by: Antibody? on 2004-05-12 16:51 ]
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[ This Message was edited by: Antibody? on 2004-05-12 16:51 ]
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[ This Message was edited by: Antibody? on 2004-05-12 16:52 ]
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I went to Ascent in 98 and Cedu High School from 98-99.
Please, e-mail me at [email protected]
I will tell you anything you want to know.
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Check out this site:
http//:www.mentalhealthdirection.com
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Yes Great site:
http://www.mentalhealthdirection.com (http://www.mentalhealthdirection.com)
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I worked for CEDU schools in North Idaho for 5+ years through the end of the Wasserman days and the very difficult transition with the sale to the Brown Schools.
I was injured deeply by the whole experience as I suspect many other employees and students have been. I can't speak to how the schools function at present, but I can tell you that there was a time in which the schools were not functioning, and a lot of students fell through the cracks. I can also tell you stories about the raps and propheets that would make your stomach turn - they certainly did mine. It has been a couple of years since I left CEDU, and I still carry some trauma from it.
To be fair, I do know that some students get exactly what they need from the program and staff. The testimonials that you hear are mostly true. I also had some good experiences. However, for everyone who was left with a bad taste in their mouth after their CEDU experience, YOU HAVE GOOD REASON!
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Do the CEDU programs use a level system? If so, are lower level (phase) kids required to be with a buddy at all times, including while going to the bathroom or showering?
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New students are given a big brother/sister when they arrive. This is done for many reasons. Mostly to be sure that a new student has someone to show them around and tell them the agreements. (They do not typically go with them to the bathroom or shower. I'm not saying it never happened - only that it was not procedure, and in my opinion, if it occured, a serious breach of individual freedom.)
Another reason for the big brother/sister program is to give the upper school students the opportunity to show some responsibility. The problem is that if you happen to get an irresponsible big brother/sister, you really get cheated, and it probably will impact your success as a new student.
I can go on and on about the big brother/sister program, both good and bad; however, I would rather answer more specific question so as not to sound like a CEDU guru. I was brainwashed with all the CEDU propoganda as the rest of the CEDU population.
My objective here is to move forward in the healing process. I think talking about the program from my current prospective will help. I do have some anger to work through, so at times that could come through, but I will always be honest.
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I would really like to hear more about your experience. I pretty much always viewed the staff as the enemy, so to hear that the experience was hard on you too is alittle surprising to me. I would love to hear about the Cedu experience from a staff point of view. Please send me an email if you can.
[email protected]
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For now, I would rather discuss my experiences in a public forum. I hope that you feel free to ask me whatever you want to know.
As for being a staff at CEDU, it is for most people I know who worked there the hardest job they ever had - and it wasn't because of the students!
I worked in North Idaho, so I can only speak to that. There was a very unhealthy culture among the staff when I worked there. It was the "good old boys/girls" gone bad against any staff who had an idea that the schools could be something legitimate. This group had absolute power, and it was absolutely corrupt. I witnessed brilliant, passionate people come to work for CEDU only to be destroyed because they posed a threat to the all mighty. Granted, it is human nature to protect your position; however, intimidation, humiliation, and cruelty are illegal tactics to use in any employment situation. (It should be illegal to use these tactics on children as well.)
Working for CEDU nearly cost me my life. During my time working there, I developed a life threatening illness, and I began abusing drugs and alcohol. I was not the only staff abusing drugs and alcohol. They only started drug testing new staff four years ago. They should have drug tested the staff the night of the riots at Northwest Academy - WOW! I guarantee there would be a different story.
There is only one reason that this criminal injustice is allowed to continue - money. As long as parents continue to send outlandish amounts of cash to CEDU, the facade will continue.
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I would like to talk to any body about Accent or NWA. Daughters boyfriend sent there to try to figure out why his parents are such loosers I guess. He is a great kid we all miss him.I dont know of anybody who does not love this kid, it is a real tragedy that he is there. I beg his mother to read these sights she doesnt, says NWA tells her dont believe the internet crap. she doesn't. (DAD had him abducted) :???: I believe that the problems this kid had were all related to unbelievable, divorced, disfuntional, children in the way, wealthy, alcoholics, suicide attempting, gambling, control freak parents. My daughter is miserable and wasting her Senior year waiting for some profeet to occur so she can write to him, Meanwhile this Homecomming king spends his time trying to figure out what the hell he did to deserve all this. its a Mess.
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Well,Northwest Academy must be very happy to have your friend. They get a great kid, and $5,000 a month.
It really is unfortunate when disfunctional parents with enough money can lock their kids away. I saw this happen over and over. Sometimes the kids were just greatful to get away from their parents. This was usually short-lived, however. Since your friend was "escorted", I take it he would not have gone willingly.
I am really sorry for your daughter. It will be a long time before she has any contact with him. He will be expected to work on his relationship with his parents before he will be able to communicate with any friends. It may be as long as a year. I know they have changed some of the programs since I have been there, so maybe it won't take that long.
There are legitimate reasons to have a teenager removed from the home. There are kids who are a serious danger to themselves or others, or who are so detrimental to the health of a family unit that they must be removed to save the rest of the family. Unfortunately, knowing the right thing to do is very difficult, especially in times of crisis. The most serious cases usually involve a health care professional. Their advice is as good as they are... Other parents find out about CEDU through Educational Consultants. Most Educational Consultants will only refer CEDU as an option for kids who are so out of control they wouldn't be appropriate any where else, except lock down. CEDU lives mostly off of its reputation as the school famous people use when their kids need an attitude adjustment. (The only reason this is the case is because when this school started it was the only one, and it was located in Santa Barbara.) Let's face it, a lot of people with money are easily seduced by high ticket items, and hey, if you have to carry the shame of sending your child off to behavior school, it helps to be in the company of famous people.
I wish the best for this young man. I did work at Northwest Academy. Hopefully, he will develop some positive relationship while he is there. This makes it bearable. I'm assuming he will be eighteen fairly soon. He can leave then. Though his parents will be instructed to tell him if he leaves, he will be on his own. The school uses the parents to coerce the students to stay after they are eighteen.
Please let us know how this turns out.
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Thank you for your quick reply I know that he had some problems he would not have spent so much time at our house about 8 mo.If there wasn't. There was little we didnt know. He got poor grades and was in jepordy of not graduating, he was the star of the football team the picture of school spirit, goodlooking and well liked. however he was in a private prep school and academicaly should not have been there. It was too tough. my daughter graduated and is in pharmacy school and was well prepared. girlfriend is still there.The school recomended this place to dad and they have sent other children off as well because the families have money this is easy to do. dad made decision 2 days before he was escorted to Accent. Nobody knew about it. kid went without any problems but with his personality type nobody would have thought any different. Had he been able to say good bye or have any type of closure had we known where he was, better yet if his mother would have known anything maybe the shock would not have been so great. Councelor at NWA says he has low self esteem he is depressed and has anger towards his parents gee I cant figure that out. They want to start giving him anti-depressants. He chewed tobacco and smoked pot we didn't realize how much beyond recreational it was because he was so involved in fotball and weght-training. NWA says substance abuse not a problem. He will be eighteen in July. School says he should stay until Nov. good grief isn't that alot to ask? Mom says he will miss all the fun stuff if he leave early? so sorry to ramble I have never talked to anybody outside of the family about this I am still shocked to find out that these places exist and I am scared for the kids and the outcome of all of this on everybody.
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There are a lot of different types of kids that go to Northwest Academy. They range from severe to average for behavior problems. Your friend sounds pretty average to me. I don't recall myself or any of my friends responding much differently to the ups and downs of being a teenager. It's a tough time to go through. A little experiementation, depression and acting out are all typical for the average teenager. Unfortunately, when the parents are not prepared to handle these behaviors, they are often compounded, and if the parent has the means and the inclination, they can send their child to whatever facility they want. I wonder if this school recommended any individual or family counseling before referring him to CEDU. If not, I would seriously question the integrity and professionalism of this school. Any parent who is truly interested in the welfare of their struggling child should seek professional help for their child and for themselves. I find it very sad that parents are so much more comfortable sending their child off to an unknown boarding school than they are to do the work themselves.
The severely damaged children that end up at Northwest Academy are another story. CEDU will take students who are on medication for various psychiatric illnesses. They do have to be on medication; however, if you have any experience in this, you know that medication is not always that effective. Some of the students at CEDU were very scary to work with. I heard students expressing their desire to murder and rape in the most gruesome fashions imaginable. I have no doubt that some of these students are doing just that. CEDU is allowed to take these students into their program because the are monitored by a psychiatrist. However, there is only one psychiatrist for over a hundred students. Each student gets 15 minutes once a week. This is hardly a safe situation.
One of the issues for an average student is to come to terms with the fact that he or she is in the same school with psychotic students. Is this good for self esteem? There are so many wonderful programs out there. I don't understand why a loving parent would send their child to CEDU.
Again, I hope your friend is able to leave the program as soon as possibe and move on. There are no experiences in life that we can't learn something from. Coming from someone who had to parent themselves, it may take longer, but you can still get there.
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[ This Message was edited by: Antibody? on 2004-05-12 16:54 ]
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Yeah,
I would go so far to say the medication issue is involved in keeping kids there. Instead of developing the skills to communicate, empathize, humanize and build relationships, drugs are used to control behavior. A great bind exists within a medical profession married to money and devoted to corporate interests. When human beings and drugs are combined to induce submission and keep the orginization in the black ink, ethics have been lost.
This is the case whenever you have one psychiatrist seeing 100+ kids at somewhere around $125.00 a pop for a 5 to 15 minuite medication evaluation. I was involved in weekly meetings with staff and psychiatrist, and the agenda appeard to be to up the drug dose or go to a harder drug and eventually a coctail of drugs including antipsychotics and mood stabalizers to keep them safe or from running away. In my professional opinion, the drugs would most often not be needed if the children were not deliberately put in double-binds, tortured verbally, given weeks of table isolation, miserable work assignments, shaming isolation from talking to friends or anyone for that matter, severe punishment for interacting on impulse, and extended isolation for any infraction. Further, workshops (propheets) with innappropriate sexual content, shame induction, pillow pounding and forced emotional screaming and yelling while being screamed and yelled at will often break a child into psychosis expecially if he or she has anxiety, OCD, PTSD, and are being bullied by children and staff with personality disorders such as histrinoc, narcissistic and passive-agreswsive and no psychological training - that is the case at all of the CEDU schools - NWA being the least of CEDUs problems. However, CEDU is always abusive and dangerous because even when you have good people at the top. No one in their right mind and with a consience could enforce that tyranny on children. And you, therefore, can only get fanatics to work there. The far right of the Mormon Church are attracted in mobs because CEDU is like an early chance to practice being a God. And they believe they are going to be Gods at kingdom-come - Lucifer's kingdom.
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I am really sorry to hear about your daughters friend. He is the type that I had always thought was hurt more than helped by the program. I am glad to hear that they are allowing anti-depressants in the schools now. I know this sounds terible...when you're there it could mean all the difference in the world. Hell, it would have been nice to get a tylenol after having all four of my wisdom teeth pulled..
These people suck the life out of the innocent.
I have had a difficult time adjusting to society since leaving a CEDU sister school. They never did prepare you for transition into the real world. I spent a month in my mothers apartment afraid to go outside after leaving, and I was one of the 'stronger' students at the school. I went through all of the profeets and left before my I and Me workshop, and of course missed the Summit. From recounts of events that happened while in the Summit, I am convinced that all things happen for a reason. I would have litterally killed someone for humiliating and abusing my friends like p.o.w.'s.
Being honest has lead me through a harder path than if I had the ability to just nod and let it go. Unfortunately society as a whole doesn't want the truth. They want the perception that everything is okay and when you confront their illusions with facts, it doesn't go over too well.
Right now I don't have the strength to get into the topic of the Mormons buying up these schools. I was born and raised a Mormon. It just validates their 'right' to abuse children. It's disgusting and makes me want to vomit even more.
**off topic**
Recently, I went to a psychiatrist to get some kind of help with stress. After an hour and a half interview the guy told me that the problem is meds work for people who don't know why they are exploding or experiencing panic, he said you know exactly why and what is going on in your life, they don't make a pill big enough for you...Have you considered drinking again? I said no.. I didn't want to self medicate that's why I am here. He said alcohol is a drug and if used properly it will take the edge off for you.
So much for seeking help...
Damnit..I held it together pretty good for almost twenty years..why fall apart now? :???:
M.
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Can anybody explain "summit" to me and transition for the NWA students? thank you :smile:
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:wave:
I accidentally stumbled onto this site while looking for something else. I have recently graduated from a CEDU program, and I was trying to look up something from one of the workshops because I thought I might have seen a show on TV that incorporated one of the Bio-energetics from the Summit in it. Then I randomly stumbled onto this website and I started reading Antibody's stuff an I immediately realized who he was. Are you M*** R***? If you are, then I would really like to talk to you. You were my therapist at one point in time (when I first came to the program), but you left during the middle of my stay. But while you were there you made a big impression on me and you made a huge difference in my **A life. If I am confused about who you are then forgive me. However, if I am not, tell me! Write back on here or email me at [email protected]. I'd really like to hear from you, and I can update you on the latest news on a lot of the people you knew and were friends with (if you haven't kept in contact with them). OK, that's it!
:wave: :wave: :wave:
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Hi
I am a prospective parent and I would like to send my son to one of the CEDU schools. You worked there what are the bad points of this organisation? I am concerned about safety and emotional care issues. Can you give me more info.
Thanks
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Hey, I've got some advice for you...RUN with your child just as damn fast as you can away from CEDU. Don't even "cosider" having your son or daughter put in the rinsethebrain situation. It ain't no fun. Take it from me, I''ve beeb there. Heres a good idea, take the money that CEDU would have cost and go on a family vacation with your child. Be a parent.
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Go and re-read the last post on the first page of this thread. Read it carefully. It'w written by an ex-staff member.
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Your Fear is Rational and right on track.
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MR talked to me a few times with me. He's afraid of those people. They thretened to sew him so he stays out of everything - he helped me too a lot and he was the best one there they had. he is practicing in Couerdlene now. has a web site though - you might find him that way. its probably no him and one of the other therapists. You know they all felt the same way as him - He woulnt talk to me util i said whioi was. he said i has to be out of the program and over 18. i don't know if he can talk to you but his site is http://www.mentalhealthdirection.com (http://www.mentalhealthdirection.com) good luck
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I learned about a place from these forums - http://www.menatlhealthdirection.com (http://www.menatlhealthdirection.com)
I'd talk to that place first. Good luck to you.
On 2004-03-05 04:43:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hi
I am a prospective parent and I would like to send my son to one of the CEDU schools. You worked there what are the bad points of this organisation? I am concerned about safety and emotional care issues. Can you give me more info.
Thanks"
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[ This Message was edited by: Jack1963 on 2004-08-01 15:21 ]
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All you need is here
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[ This Message was edited by: Antibody? on 2004-05-12 16:57 ]
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I went to Cedu because raising a child was too mundane for them and they had the money. I wasn't suicidal, had stopped using drugs months prior to attending (it was rec use only), I had no eating or other disorder. I was underachiever at school in part due to deafness and I had low self esteem. Even if I had the other problems, CEDU was not the answer.
DO NOT SEND YOUR CHILD THERE.
They use heavy doses of emotional and psychological abuse to control the kids. THey also manipulate the parents and isolate them from the kids. We could talk to our parents over the phone for 15 minutes every two weeks. Those calls were monitored as were our letters to make sure we didn't speak ill of the school.
The staff psychologically abused the students in heavy emotionally and verbally barrage many times weekly. They demean and humiliate you to break you down. They lie to you about your parents and your parents about you in order to keep you there. (One example is they told my parents I was addicted to drugs and would die if I left. A big joke since I quit a twice-a-month habit and I've never done it since six months before entering CEDU.) Also, my parents never lied to me UNTIL we went to CEdu. In addition, I was always honest even when it got me in trouble but the staff continually harass you to fabricate stories so they get off your ass. Most kids fell for this.
The staff also brainwash the older kids who have put in time and promote them for bullying and spying the other kids and even new staff.
When parents vist their kids once every three months, they visit on-campus. After the visit, the staff meet back with your parents to program them and feed them lies in order to stop them for pulling you out. When my Dad questionned some of their tactics, they ridiculed him and manipulated my Mom.
You know what would have helped me? 2 parents who believed in me and a two-week Outward Bound program.
By the way, after you leave the program, your kid will likely have long-term trust and bonding issues because CEDU isolates you and programs you to think the outside world is evil. This was a big part of me not attaching to others.
In all fairness, I did leave in 1987. Maybe things have changed but I doubt it.
I really hope you think twice, but if you do it, know they are skilled with bullshit every time they talk to you and all their missives home are directly aligned with the goal of keeping your kid there.
Be creative and find another way.
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Welcome, Anon. This is some fascinating stuff. I was in Straight, Inc. from `80 - `82. Lot of similarities.
Antibody?, you know me too well! :wink:
I don't think it's a lack of state oversite. I think these are really local matters that have not been attended. I think the reason they have not been attended goes back to a bit of slight of mind played on the American ppl (and many other good countries before us)
The plan seems to have been to find an issue that would expand Socialist authority to unimaginable lengths but that the right would embrace like a long lost child.
And so we have the invention of a mythical counterculture that seems to be identified by any and all things that might excite the interest of a young person. And it's all taboo. It's so obvious in a place like So. Florida. There's a beach that's unofficially reserved for retirees. Since it would be illegal under their own age discrimination laws to officially ban children from the beach, they can't exactly say it. But, when I first moved into the Deerfield area, I found out about the policy.
Anyone w/ kids should go to the north side of the peer. On the south side, there are rules like no bikes, no kites, no beach balls and no floatation devices of any kind. But they can't say "no kids allowed" so, instead, a young and well built lifeguard runs from her tower to stop you before you can spread out a towel to inform you of the rules.
Young people who do not identify strongly w/ the White Anglo Saxon Protestant ideal are dangerous animals to be controled. They're not really human, after all, and these longsuffering martyrs are spending their best years fighting to make them human again. We don't want to know the details of how they go about it.
I think I understand why So. Florida is so prone to this kind of mental illness. It's marketed predominantly to people who value low heating bills over having a direct hand in raising grandkids. But I see the seeds of that kind of thinking. I'm as sensitive to it as a Cuban to Communism. :wink:
That, not a lack of regulation, is the root of the problem as I see it.
It is already illegal to do many of the things that pass for normal in the cloistered culture of the Troubled Parent/Private Teen Prison industry. Those laws are not enforced because of a cultural issue.
What we need is a way to explain to the conservatives that the drug war and the war on young people who ask too many questions is the pan-ultimate New Deal program. "Better living through oursourcing private, family matters". Rich ppl think they're safe cause they can send their kids off to a private facility. But it's those same laws and enforcement standards that send poor kids to prison that are fueling the market for these programs.
It is, in fact, the largest, most expensive failed aspect of the New Deal and they should not embrace it. When we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of individual freedom to Americans ...... And so a lot of people say there's too much personal freedom. When personal freedom's being abused, you have to move to limit it. That's what we did in the announcement I made last weekend on the public housing projects, about how we're going to have weapon sweeps and more things like that to try to make people safer in their communities.
-- Bill Clinton, 3-22-94
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[ This Message was edited by: Antibody? on 2004-05-12 16:58 ]
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Howdy,
Just came across this site. I am a former employee of Cedu. I worked there for around 7 years and had such jobs as an admissions counselor, counselor, and Resource Coordinator. I am now in my Master's Degree program for Social Work. I definitely have mixed feelings about my employment at Cedu. You can contact me about Cedu, but I would rather remain un-named. You can reach me at [email protected].
mand45
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You should say what you feel here instead of trying to hide it.
Your hidden ideas are so CEDU. You folks hide everything. But you never succeed in the long run.
Remember when I told you it would work in the short but not the long run?
You are still full of Baloney - as always
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Fucking Right! INDICTMENT think of this as time traveling honesty! You bunch of ex-staff pussies.....You had a fucking chance to help, to rectify the situation, but you did not. Goddamn pussies, now you want to cry and tell us how sorry you all are???? You don't have to tell us, we were there. And through our rose colored glasses, we could see we were in a world of shit. Some of those days all it would have taken was a little leniency, a kind word, but no, nothing but Fuck-up inferences, calling people out on their private shit in front of everybody, that is so fucked up. You could have done something about it, we couldn't. We could either go along and get along, or get sent to lock-downs. And by the way for those of you keeping score, Lockdowns had none of this brainwashing shit, just bars and a slightly more violent general population. Probably had real counselors that could exercise good judgement for you. CEDU, Synanon, straight.....see you in hell
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Wow. I can see you are enraged. I don't blame you. However, we all did not do those things. I refused to - consistently. I was constantly pissing them off because I refused to belittle kids, I refused to go along with the program. I was always kind and told the kids I believed in them. They loved me. Parents and kids were devastated when I left. Parents called me at home after I disappeared. Lots of kids were pulled then. Parents begged me to stay, but, I had to leave because working there was making me sick. I went to work there to help kids. I left because I could not be a part of it all. I was in trouble a lot there.
As for the other staff, I don't know. Some who felt as I did told me that at least they knew that they were being kind and decent and if they left, they would be leaving kids with those horrible people. I still get letters from kids, years later, telling me how they appreciated my kindness and my absolute faith in them.
Staff who were unkind were ignorant and plenty of them were on sick power trips. Others were gullible and believed what they were taught. People make mistakes - even mistakes that hurt others. Some people have terrible remorse. Please allow yourself to forgive those who ask you. Harboring hatred hurts only you. The best revenge is living well!
Jack
On 2004-04-11 13:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Fucking Right! INDICTMENT think of this as time traveling honesty! You bunch of ex-staff pussies.....You had a fucking chance to help, to rectify the situation, but you did not. Goddamn pussies, now you want to cry and tell us how sorry you all are???? You don't have to tell us, we were there. And through our rose colored glasses, we could see we were in a world of shit. Some of those days all it would have taken was a little leniency, a kind word, but no, nothing but Fuck-up inferences, calling people out on their private shit in front of everybody, that is so fucked up. You could have done something about it, we couldn't. We could either go along and get along, or get sent to lock-downs. And by the way for those of you keeping score, Lockdowns had none of this brainwashing shit, just bars and a slightly more violent general population. Probably had real counselors that could exercise good judgement for you. CEDU, Synanon, straight.....see you in hell"
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I am one of the ex-staff who tried to change things. For that I was attacked by staff and students. I actually had students who told me that they needed to be screamed at in order to change their thinking. That's what iI call a cult.
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Does anyone happen to have the boulder creek moron lounge(formally know as the bridge) phonenumber. I have been looking for it, and any help would be appreciated. :wink:
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Totally right,
Throughout Cedu there was an extreme power struggle going between the therapist and staff allies and the old school staff that did not want to change things. I can remember addressing the yelling and the disrespect people endured. Essentially being told to be quiet or else. All you can do is try to protect children in the environment and work to change staff beliefs A corporation tends to take on a life of its own, a separate entity, and just like animals; it will protect itself from change. For former students who are resentful of their stay there....fight to change it. Don't sit there and critize from afar. Get involved, get proactive, finish your education and manifest change. When trying to change something, its good to have energy on it but the reality is systems resist change. There needs to be a coordinated effort in the state policy. Its easy to be angry and resentful. Its harder to do something positive with it.
Good luck
Mand45
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i am an ex BCA student currently filing a lawsuit against cedu for the time i was there...we have several ex students an amazing lawyer and staff testifying for us...if you are interested in becoming part of this please contact me...all ex staff and students are welcome to join. email me at [email protected] or IM me at jmg532
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I don't trust anyone who fishes for identities here. Please give us the name of your attorney.
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Yep. The attorney. I don't need CEDU ruining my career. Paranoid? You bet!
On 2004-04-19 20:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I don't trust anyone who fishes for identities here. Please give us the name of your attorney."
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i was a victim of them from 82-85 i can tell you everything it is a cult and a scam they were last spotted running cascade academy in southern california they shut down whenever they cannot extort any more money out of states. look at the estate of mel wasserman he put all his assets in a foundation to avoid paying income taxes and payroll taxes ex staff and current staff who are moles can tell you this. if they threaten to sue you ignore them they never show up for court.
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i will talk to you i was a victim of wasserman and allgoods in the 80s in running springs it is sick that wassermans widow has millions of dollars that he stole from states he kept double books and hid everything in a foundation so he could avoid taxes and build a new house for himself when he was confronted with the truth all he cared about was his house all meltzer and allgood care about is covering there ass i know a mole who is still inside there operation they were last operating as cascade academy in southern california but they cut and run when the heat is on. they will pop up again though reply to me
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cedu will not ruin your career they just threaten but they never show up for court because then their criminal records become public yes many of them are felons and that is why they never go to court to fight they blow smoke up everyones ass they know they are a scam and there are still moles in the operation
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Mel is dead
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On 2004-04-12 07:15:00, mand45 wrote:
"Totally right,
Throughout Cedu there was an extreme power struggle going between the therapist and staff allies and the old school staff that did not want to change things. I can remember addressing the yelling and the disrespect people endured. Essentially being told to be quiet or else. All you can do is try to protect children in the environment and work to change staff beliefs A corporation tends to take on a life of its own, a separate entity, and just like animals; it will protect itself from change. For former students who are resentful of their stay there....fight to change it. Don't sit there and critize from afar. Get involved, get proactive, finish your education and manifest change. When trying to change something, its good to have energy on it but the reality is systems resist change. There needs to be a coordinated effort in the state policy. Its easy to be angry and resentful. Its harder to do something positive with it.
Good luck
Mand45"
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[ This Message was edited by: Antibody? on 2004-05-12 16:59 ]
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I went to northwest for about 14 months and then got moved to cedu high (dont even complain about nwa if you haven't been to cedu high) but that was because of all the staff changes, i guess it was in may of 2001. anyhow, i was pretty screwed up before i got sent there and something there helped me and other things were really fucked up about the place. and you hear all these stories about how, in conception, the idea and core beliefs were really amazing. so what i want to know is (i'm studying alternative education) if there are really schools out there that anyone knows of that are worthwhile, honest and not as destructive.
if you know of any
or anything
write me
[email protected]
thanks so much
cody/rose clevidence
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"cedu will not ruin your career they just threaten but they never show up for court because then their criminal records become public yes many of them are felons and that is why they never go to court to fight they blow smoke up everyones ass they know they are a scam and there are still moles in the operatio"
what's the basis of this statement?
i went to cedu ms and hs in so cal from 1996-1999.
anybody who wants to ask any questions, or whatever, feel free..
my name is laura solomon, my email is [email protected]
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Mel Wasserman was the biggest liar ever. All he cared
about was his own wealth. He pretended to care about the "kids" and their relationships so they would believe him and follow him but he was no different than the Nazi's he claimed to despise. He tried to lay guilt trips on everyone and he would always blame the victim. When i was a counselor there he would believe his own lies. He would convince himself that he had done nothing wrong and that he was the victim. One other staff told me that he was a sociopath who believed his own lies. Wasserman thought he helped everyone even the kids he molested. that is how much of a liar he was. i was told that when dealing with him you have to read between the lines. All the money he stole from his victims is in the hands of his widow who never did anything but complain. i suggest everyone sue brigette wasserman.
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cascade academy was in whitmore, ca in northern california they shut down because one of the parents found out they were using his daughter for sex and threatened to go to the cops. when i was there the motto was "we have to use the kids for something" another was all you are supposed to care about is yourself so abuse the kids as much as you want.
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damn, i was supposed to go to cascade... my parents sent me to cedu instead because it was more "artistic"... yeh, my ass! cedu didn't nurture artistic creativity for shit.
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Cascade was a shithole. I knew a couple kids from there. And a couple staff that went there, they couldn't possibly have made that place better.
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I just talked to a therapist there at BCA. The therapists are no longer independent. They have to answer to the program staff now. They have become CEDU's bitches and gave up ethical practice. They now do what they are told, and you can't tell them anything because they have to take it to staff. There is no more confidentiality, no sacred therapist / client relationship. The therapists have become unethical finks with CEDUs dick up every one of their asses.
That really sucks. Used to be, the therapists were a safe haven of compassion and trust. Now they have been perverted into self serving cult sell outs.
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at least mark rist got out of there before it went completely to shit. i knew that therapists were doomed at that school as soon as it came to light that there had been "differences" between mark and the program. i'm sure everyone else were agree, mark rist was the man.