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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / Holla at your Boys!!!!
« on: April 01, 2005, 05:08:00 PM »
On 2005-03-25 06:50:00, SON OF SERBIA wrote:


On 2005-03-24 21:09:00, Anonymous wrote:

" Some people like my friends  and me did benefit from the experience. not because we were look goods but because we actually wanted to make a change in our lives."

 Answer me do people change their lives in a program that won't

let them think for themselves, or make their own decisions? Cedu staff made all of your decisions for you, they ran every detail of your life. How could you change your life, if you didn't even have control of it?

Sorry pal, but you and your friends were look goods. Cedu led you around on a leash, they told what to think, what to say, and that thinking for yourself outside of the program is wrong.  Their control of you was so complete, that if a cedu staff member dropped his pants and said "start sucking, it will help you", you'd

have done it in a heartbeat.

Those of us at Cedu who really wanted to change our lives got the fuck outta there, while the sheep  stayed and continued grazing on the bullshit Cedu fed them.

[ This Message was edited by: SON OF SERBIA on 2005-03-25 06:58 ]"

It never fails to amase me how much more intelligent this kids past and present were when compared with the leadership and program staff.

SOS you saw right through them just like I did. Great post. Hey private message me. Have blown away do so too. You will have to keep it a secret from everyone, but lets put our heads together dude.

Please, can't you muster a little more strategy than that pathetic drip if bull diarrhea? You must be a firmer staffer.

CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / Holla at your Boys!!!!
« on: March 31, 2005, 10:53:00 AM »
On 2005-03-29 08:30:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Why does every topic turn into a verbal fight?? It's like I start reading a topic and ten posts later people are telling eachother to fuck themselves. I don't know, it's just not worth it. "

They turn every discussion into verbal pissing matches because this is exactly what CEDU staff did to these kids for 2 years. They turned everything the kids said into a verbal pissing match. They threw everything kids said or even thought back in their faces like a piles of shit, and that is exactly what CEDU was - a pile of shit. - You get exactly what you pay for.

Parents,when you sent your kid to CEDU, you sent him to a humiliation camp. What came out was a whole bumch of kids who learnd from the best assholes there are.

All emotional growth boarding schools are humiliation camps. Fortunately, parents get paid back for what they bought for their kids when the kids come home. They "learned exactly what they lived" I think the whole picture has a nice irony to it, and it is funny as hell. Justice at last. "What goes around comes around."[ This Message was edited by: Roy on 2005-03-31 08:00 ]

"I can give testamony to the correctness of Son of Serbia'a latest accurate assessment. I took care of a kid after he left CEDU, and I have witnessed the after effects of CEDU graduation since the 1960s.

Kids don't know the name of simple tools like screwdriver. When they get their first car they don't know about oil changes, gear shifts or such a need as maintenence.

Needless to say, I did a lot of teaching; especially a lot of teaching that there are more ways to express emotion than the two ways modeled by staff at BCA, RMA, NWA, Assent CEDU, milestones, i.e. - screaming and passive aggression. I also spent a lot of time teaching simple respectable assertiveness, empathetic communication, and listening - things people usually begin to learn early in a normal life, but there is nothing normal about CEDU. Try being married to a staff convert.

I watched my wife cheat on me with a male student and even a female student. The smoosh piles taught interesting sexuality between staff and students, and they still fondle and kiss each other and screw after the smooshing ends. I watched my wife turn into a brainwashed robot with god-like feelings of superiority the belief in emotional abuse for control of people around her - especially me. Conversation amounted to two words from her - "Shut UP."

Fake Ph.Ds abound - one, Rich Geiger, (PhD in theology - previous experience as a mental health technician) - (you don't even need at BA for that). He used to run clinical services for CEDU in the Northwest and the current CEDU National Director of Family Services has one. Ever heard of Bill Valentine and California Coast College. They no longer offer PhDs at CCC, but lots of CEDU managers have them still. Many got them with no previous degrees and with qualification based almost completely upon work experience at CEDU rather than academics.

So, why are the kids unprepared for life outside of CEDU? Because the staff are unprepared for life outside CEDU, and that is why they stay there for life doing the same old con game on parents year after year. It is no different at other teen programs, often it is worse. Straight was definately a horror, as is fucktard, and a plethora of CEDU staff and managers. Love your kid? Well, drugs and school failure aren't as bad as these programs. You have a better chance of recovery from drugs. Here is a novel idea for parents, BE A PARENT.

I wanted to post this again, because I did it annon, and I'm a self absorbed, narcissistic asshole who needs constant attention and gets of on shit like this. I also hate that fucking CEDU place and enjoy pissing CEDU people off. Also fucktard was right - my spelling sucks

CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / Holla at your Boys!!!!
« on: March 31, 2005, 10:23:00 AM »
I'll bet there will be a few people with shotguns waiting when the van pulls up.

How about a $10 bet to start


Actually, not understanding that CEDU and it's program was the problem, not understanding that they have been abusing kids for 36 years, not understanding that you can't treat mentally ill or socially marginalized people without having ethical standards has been the whole problem since the beginning.

When I was there, I wrote two Brown Schools CEOs and told them exactly that the problem was "that nobody on the program staff had ethics and that the ditching of the "Brown Schools Code of Ethics" upon its introduction to staff in 2000 would run them out of business," but they didn't even reply.

Bottom line is that it all can be explained by what I call "The David Koresh Syndrome." The fact is that, when a program disallows outside information, training, paradigm shifts, self questioning, free thought, and dialogue, it can never see either the errors of its ways or the demise of itself. That demise is now come.

CEDU like most other cults, take Scientology, Mormonism, Hari Krishna?s, David Koresh, The Children of God, Synanon, and Straight. They see only what they want to see. They believe only what they want to believe.

Mormons are a good example, they believe they are special people, superior people, and are becoming Gods. If you are God, is there any point in questioning yourself or your deeds? No, your only purpose is to make others think, act, and feel exactly like you - so they can be superior exactly like you. Superiority is pro-survival and therefore hard to give up. So, you disavow anyone or anything that questions you. Think, don't all con men make their mark feel superior before they screw him for everything he has? This is the secret of the cult. You believe because, if you don't, you are flawed and boring like all the rest of us. You just can't handle that, so you go into denial and stay there.

Well, welcome to reality CEDU. You are no better than the kids and critics - the intellectually, but not spiritually exolved, human masses.  

So, the only problem they all have is that the propheets, the workshops, the raps and the ceremony did not actually make them superior beings. It only made them THINK they were superior.

Belief is powerful. You can temporarily change by believing in yourself, but, at some point, a foundation must be placed under that belief. CEDU and its converts had no foundation, (except their own self glorification), and they all are in for a rude awakening in the real world where most people look you over, challenge you, and think you are an idiot or an asshole if you believe in your own higher purpose in life, your own emotional growth, your own superiority.  

I wanted to put this on it's own thread because I think it is somewhat important


There were some staffers who meant well and who treated kids with dignity. The problem was that Brown and CEDU were always an autocratic dictatorship run by people who were under-educated and schooled only in one cult philosoply of CEDU.

Nevertheless, It was sad. I can count on one hand (including myself) the staff who would stand up to the system when their jobs were at risk. In 26 years - one hand.

All of us were forced out, just like nonconformists of any Genre, from any cult.
I give credit only to those who stood up for the fellow dissenters against the tyranny done to kids and staff to the bitter end.

I agree with Serb, on the violins. (you crack me up Serb) Why? Because, when my therapist job was on the line, everyone, and I mean every so called deep relationship and friend turned their backs on me and walked away. That is, everyone except the kids and some of the parents who contacted me and praised me after I was gone.

What am I saying? I am saying that all the "friends" there are fake friends, and every staffer who left quickly found that out when he was shunned after he left the school - sometimes even by his family.

What lesson is contained in this? It is that there is no "real" CEDU culture unless you dedicate your life to making everyone who ever worked there "feel good about themselves - and everything they do."

You had to conform totally devoid of independent thinking, brainwashed, like a sensitivity robot. If you changed, your friends disappered. It was like that for the kids too.

Serb, dude, you got it right, but I do feel sorry - even for even some of those people who turned their backs on me. All I can say to them is the following: Take this as a lesson of what your so called friends felt. You trusted the wrong entity Brown. And don't bother praising the Mel Wasserman family. Yes, they were smarter, but they cared just as little. The care they showed was fake, just like yours, and all they were after was money. They got it; and you:

What did you get? Now maybe you wil take that face away from that big white ass and pull CEDUs dick out of yours.

I,ll play along with that - have fun fucking with Newton - wink

CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / BCA Staff Shout Out!!!
« on: March 29, 2005, 09:47:00 PM »
I forgot,
Greg Andrick was a good egg and so was Brian Wolff

40 ... zi&spell=1

It was either Antigen or Deborah that provided this stuff to the board. I just wanted everyone to see it of they hadn't visited the link.

From what I can tell, It seems to confirm links between Brown decendents and Bush decendents cooperating to benifit the Nazis In Germany during WW II

Draw your own conclusions - Click the Link (at top) to google and read the many articles on this issue.

CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / BCA Staff Shout Out!!!
« on: March 29, 2005, 09:16:00 PM »
Norm and Star Aldridge were great folks in my book, so was Jack Clearman, and the fellow they called Cowboy ***. I can't think of any others I respect, Except R Phillips who was at RMA.

That letter was the saddest and best I have ever read on fornits - Please read the letter below if you really want to understand why CEDU had to go.

Thank you for writing that letter
Thank you[ This Message was edited by: Roy on 2005-03-28 15:17 ]

[ This Message was edited by: Roy on 2005-03-28 15:03 ]

Truer words have not been spoken. Parents and families are woven together. Every part influences the other.

The individual influences the family. The family influences each individual in the family, as each individual influences each other - both parts and groups are influenced individually and collectively.

The marriage is influenced the same as the kids by the values and styles of each person or holon.
It is a system. Would you fix your broken engine by fixing the air conditioner? Would the air conditioner be happy to sit in a broken car? Would a teen from a sick family system fix himself and thereby fix anything in the family that makes him who he is? Can he go back and be perfect in a fucked up family? Mayhe the family would be happy with him but not with itself. Would he be happy with the family for long? Yes, if he moves out and goes to college or to work. Did the school make him respect you? Sorry, but that is mythology. Only you can make him or her respect you - by changing your values.
The individual and each family member are further influenced by the community, then economics, then religion or lack therof.
Finally, Sadly, all of this is influenced by culture. In this country values our are based upon short term solutions, the short term, dead, "fix" of money, property, and status.

Money and goods actually never fixed any social system, but they did make people weak and lazy - too weak and lazy to be good parents.

Look, the problem is in the system. A system that is unbalanced or balanced improperly and unjustly.

Now, I'm not a femily values, religious nut type. I am simply trying to illustrate how deep in shit you are and how much of a waste and injustice it is to send your kid away to be "fixed."

Son of serbia has it exactly correct.

There is no magic solution. The only solution is each person in the family coming together and changing the way each communicates, relates, loves, expresses emotion, and mostly - What do they value, property or relationships - whatever it is.

Each individual is part of the problem, but the biggest part is almost always the way parents have one set of values for their kids and another for themselves. Further, we have all been taught the wrong values by a relationally bankrupt country that values only individual power and property, a country "without a heart" that breeds people without a heart.

"Follow the path with a heart." Hint - Bombs are not heart. That is what Son of Serbia is saying. Listen to him. Raise your own kids, Solve your own problems, get family therapy if you can't fix it. But never send your kids away. Never.


Your local family therapist
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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / made me a rock
« on: March 27, 2005, 09:08:00 PM »
Thank you for your perspective. I do believe you, and I feel for you, because I saw this pain in so many kids daily at BCA. I tried to soften that pain and humiliation for kids, but I could do so little with so much abuse going on. You speak wise and powerful words.

Thank you

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