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Let It Bleed / Something you listened to today
« on: October 27, 2005, 08:12:00 PM »
oh yeah... and Butt Trumpet.. loved them.

"...la la primitive enema."

and that's what I listened to today, too.

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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / The I and Me/The Summit 2
« on: October 27, 2005, 08:05:00 PM »
Wow, they cut off a day. Well I guess they would, since they got rid of the urban challenge. Summit in the 80s was six highly structured days.

What blows me away is the lifespring angle of this. The only part of the summit that wasn't originally lifespring is the costume party. I can't believe that people actually paid good money (hundreds of dollars) to go through this workshop THEMSELVES! And then they went out and recruited other people to go through it! People are STUPID!

and also, Dr. Phil had a four/five day workshop that I saw excerpts from on the Oprah site years ago. The parts that they showed had the red/green game (except that he called it the red/black game) and the "are you a giver or a taker" deal. So he basically took at least some parts of the lifespring workshop and used it, even though lifespring had been debunked years before as a white collar cult. One of the many reasons why I think he's full of shit.

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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / The I and Me/The Summit 2
« on: October 27, 2005, 03:17:00 PM »
I remember the scariest thing about the IWTL (and some of the workshops, mainly the I & Me) is seeing the older students come out of them and they had lost their voices, and you would wonder WTF they did in there that would make them scream themselves hoarse within such a short amount of time, and what was so special about the IWTL versus the other propheets that would make people lose their voice.

I honestly don't remember why that was, myself.

To answer your question, yes, I supported a propheet. It was the childrens.

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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / all the hurt
« on: October 27, 2005, 01:39:00 PM »
"I know you can hear MY thoughts, boy!...

meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow..."



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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / The I and Me/The Summit 2
« on: October 27, 2005, 01:16:00 PM »
Sounds like they changed some things. In my summit, the carrying around happened after the party. The party happened in two parts. The first was the actual "party" where everyone milled around and did their thing, and the second part was when each person went up in front of the group and played out their character. Similar structure to the contract. When the staff felt that you "nailed it", they played "Fame" and you got carried around by the rest of the peer group. I actually didn't mind the party too much. I thought it was the only thing from the Summit that was actually marginally funny. But this is compared to all of the other crap you had to go through, so it isn't saying much.

I also recall the party happening the day before the contracts instead of the day after.

Yeah, and the point of the urban challenge was to "make the world a better place" (not literally, but at least feel like we were) it was based on a writing assignment we had the night before. That was the part where you worked your contract, since the contracts were the day before.

So it sounds like it changed around, and the party became the part where you worked your contract, instead of the urban challenge.

Did you guys still get keys? We each got a key. (I think in the Summit reunion.) I remember hurling mine into the middle of a large grassy area on my college campus to get rid of it when I first started deprogramming myself and working through all of that resentment. Yeah, I know, totally dramatic.

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Let It Bleed / Something you listened to today
« on: October 27, 2005, 12:22:00 PM »
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On 2005-10-26 14:46:00, Anonymous wrote:

"The Mummies rocked!!  I used to have a few of their 45s, too.  I loved the ambulance they used as a tour van.  Never got to see them, I'd moved back Easdt before I heard of them."


My friend lived next door to them for a while. He said they were loud motherfuckers. He knew for certain it was the Mummies because their ambulance was always parked outside.

Their stuff was finally compiled onto two CDs. "Death By Unga Bunga" and "Never Been Caught". It's funny, too, because I'm sure you recall, their 45s always had the words "Fuck CDs" printed on the jackets. Well, on Death by Unga Bunga, it has "Fuck Vinyl. Ha ha ha." on the back of the jewel case.

The only downside to the two CDs is that they don't have the Devo covers that they do on them, "Girl U Want" and "Uncontrollable Urge". Which sucks, because those were awesome covers. Fortunately, I have it on vinyl.

The good news is that Death by Unga Bunga has a great cover of Zip a Dee Doo Dah. Oh my god, it's fucking amazing.

There were some great bands in the 90s. I remember I found out about the Mummies around the same time I discovered The Monomen, Jaws (saw them play live, amazing), Man or Astroman, and New Bomb Turks.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / ADD/ ADHD/ Meds
« on: October 27, 2005, 12:00:00 PM »
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On 2005-10-26 15:32:00, Antigen wrote:

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On 2005-10-26 12:48:00, Anonymous wrote:


And what about a program they have in Helena, Montana that's for kids as young as 4?




I honestly think those people must be patently insane!

Religion is all bunk.
--Thomas Edison, American inventor


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Yet another thing that's not as new as you think.

With all of the supposed behavior problems I had as a child, one psychiatrist recommended just that thing, a boarding-type program school for troubled kids, so I could get treatment. I was five at the time. Remember, this was the 70s.

Fortunately, my parents toured the facility, and the idea of sending me away at five devastated them so much, they couldn't bring themselves to do it, thank god.

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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / "Dirt" at NWA
« on: October 27, 2005, 11:53:00 AM »
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On 2005-10-27 06:59:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Are you kidding me? At CEDU, you could try and blend into the woodwork but eventually, you would just get in trouble for that, too. And then you would be badgered to death into having some kind of "epiphany.""


Yup. If you looked too good, and didn't seem authentic enough in raps, you were called a "look good" and would get in as much trouble as if you had split, or had sex with another student. Sometimes you'd be put on a work detail, or bans, if they felt you weren't truly working the program. They seemed to be pretty good at spotting fakers when I went there. But like I said before, the schools went through many incarnations, and I was told they were very different in later years than when I was at RMA. I have no idea what NWA was like.

That doesn't mean that people couldn't hide "dirt" at RMA. I'm sure they did. I'm just saying that if you were faking the working the program part, they (both the students and the staff) could pick up on that quite easily during the years that I went there. Especially the students. Because the students who WERE working the program (which seemed to be in the majority) and had to go through all that shit would get resentful of the kids who would try to skate by, so they would call them out. But the staff weren't stupid, either, and they would notice just as often.

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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / The I and Me/The Summit 2
« on: October 27, 2005, 11:35:00 AM »
odd. I recall the feeding each other thing happening after the 4 day solo on the wilderness challenge. Maybe they moved it to the summit after the expeditions changed.

In my summit, they did do the urban challenge. I hated it. It was the stupidest fucking thing ever. But we didn't go to Bonners Ferry, we went to Spokane. I didn't finish all of my requirements, so I had to go back weeks later after the summit was over with other people who hadn't finished it and complete it. It was very embarassing. If I had had a clue, I would have just kicked back and used that money playing video games at the arcade at the mall the whole time, and then come back into the summit and lied and said I completed the challenge.

The thing that sucked the most about the urban challenge was that you couldn't tell these strangers you went up to that you were being made to do this, so people just thought you were nuts, or a loser who was really lonely (unless you had a lot of finesse and could come off really natural at casual conversation with strangers.) If you did tell them, then you were automatically out of agreement, and you would have to do the assignment over. And I was so socially stupid anyway, I just made myself look stupider. One of the people I talked to basically confronted me outright and said "You're really lonely, aren't you?"

Some of the requirements were really weird. Like, you had to exchange phone numbers and addresses with someone, you had to buy someone lunch (one guy in my peer group had the right idea about this requirement, he bought food for a homeless guy. That idea didn't even occur to me. I stayed inside the mall the whole time. I didn't even realize we could have gone outside.) I remember one of the easier ones were to talk to someone of the opposite sex. (Which in my case, got a result of an incredulous "How am I DOING?????" and then them getting up and storming away.)

I'm surprised nobody in the history of the summit got abducted or at least punched. Maybe that's why they stopped doing it, because the potential for a mishap was just too high.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / ADD/ ADHD/ Meds
« on: October 26, 2005, 03:19:00 AM »
Well, AA, I don't know how different it was really in the 70s. I was diagnosed in the 70s with ADD, too, except that it wasn't called that then, it was called hyperactivity disorder. I was put on ritalin, and then taken off, because I couldn't eat or sleep. They tried all of these other meds, too, but none of them helped. Maybe diagnosing and medicating children wasn't as widespread as it is now, but it was certainly present.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Violent Video games LOWER Violent Crime!
« on: October 24, 2005, 06:36:00 PM »
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On 2005-10-24 14:46:00, Nihilanthic wrote:

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On 2005-10-24 01:04:00, sorry... try another castle wrote:


"Can you imagine if modern day violence was influenced by RPG games? We'd have a whole mess of turn-based fighting going on out in the streets.





And a lot of people walking around waiting for random encounters...

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*POPUP*

Do you want to encounter: Bush Administration

y/n?

"Narcotics have been systematically scapegoated and demonized. The idea that anyone can use drugs and escape a horrible fate is an anathema to these idiots. I predict that in the near future right-wingers will use drug hysteria as a pretext to set up an international police apparatus."

--William S. Burroughs

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You encounter BUSH with 3 slimes.

Slime 1 attacks for 4 damage. You are poisoned.
Slime 2 attacks for 6 damage.
Slime 3 attacks for 2 damage.
BUSH casts patriot missile and misses.

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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / Caroline the Wolf
« on: October 24, 2005, 06:24:00 PM »
Sexual partners or business partners? She could have meant the latter.

I find it odd, because when I was going to RMA, Caroline was very homophobic.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Violent Video games LOWER Violent Crime!
« on: October 24, 2005, 04:04:00 AM »
Can you imagine if modern day violence was influenced by RPG games? We'd have a whole mess of turn-based fighting going on out in the streets.

And a lot of people walking around waiting for random encounters...

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Violent Video games LOWER Violent Crime!
« on: October 23, 2005, 05:24:00 AM »
OMG that's fucking hilarious.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Violent Video games LOWER Violent Crime!
« on: October 22, 2005, 11:03:00 PM »
However, if you play Katamari Damacy, you WILL have to resist the urge to roll things up into balls in the real world, a lot of times with your car while you are driving.

"Hmmm... that mailbox looks just the right size..."

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