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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Seed Discussion Forum => Topic started by: DanielleRemembers on June 18, 2007, 06:51:03 PM
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Hi all,
I was in The Seed in St. Petersburg in 73. I have been surfing through the posts attempting to get a timeline of the Seed's growth and decline. Does anyone have the dates and locations, such as the dates when it all started with just a first people meeting at Art's place? Was Ft Luaderdale the first one opened? Or was it St Pete? I get a little confused with all of the posts. I was only in The Seed a few months before my parents pulled me out of there to move to California. I assume there is an article in here somewhere with this info?
Thanks!
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Welcome Danielle. the answers to all those questions are in this forum. I too was in the Seed St Pete in 73.
I would suggest you scroll thru the topics. The seed just officially closed several years ago, and the start of the seed, according to Art's folklore was on his boat in Miami. We can document that there was a house, in 1971, in Ft Lauderdale, where people kind of came and went freely.
By the time you and I were put in, it was vastly different, and then several years later it started reverting back to a more open type program but retained the kooky "love" and motivating and confessionals, isolation, Art Barker worship, required devotion, rejection of outsiders, etc. All the stuff that made it a cult.
Spend some time looking around and then post any questions you may have. In order to answer your specific 'date' questions, I would have to do what you need to do..dig in and pull the numbers out of this forum.
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Is Art Barker still alive? Just curious. I saw the photo of him that was dated 2002 and was wondering if he was still kicking.
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Is Art Barker still alive? Just curious. I saw the photo of him that was dated 2002 and was wondering if he was still kicking.
yes Art is still alive - although in frail health
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I wonder how many people would like to urinate on Art's grave?
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I wonder how many people would like to urinate on Art's grave?
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We're all,"lay-back-approach-with-caution-types" in here. Anyone notice?
After much reading, and re-reading-I get lost in here, too-
here's what I remember:
An earlier post about the 'Billy-Jack' days is quite true. It was very small
and they all lived in the house together as support for recovering from their individual addictions. Some of them needed/wanted the aggressive kind of help Art, Shelley and Libby were about. It was ALL voluntary, in the beginning.
If you were there often enough, you got included in 'stuff', people learned your name and you theirs, felt like you might just be ok after all, in the beginning.
IF YOU NEEDED: a meal, they fed you; somewhere to sleep, 'sleep here';
clothes?, help yourself; to get clean?we did that AND we don't let each other change our minds.
So came 'the raps' and the rules and being restrained as a practice. And 'Iloveyou'. It was honest and sincere and functional. They were all 'contemporaries' then. They were theSeed. They were less that 100 still -'69-'70 - and needed MORE room... Andrews Ave..
Some of the most hard-core people I've ever seen to this day. Junkies, murderers, wandered into 'Billy-Jack'land and they're 'fixed'!
Yup.It's a miracle!! No it's not: it's 'normal'. They were in the bottom of their barrels and wanted to get better.
They could leave whenever they wanted, they just had no reason to. Art, Shelley and Libby DID help alot of people who really needed to be helped - saved some lives in there, in the beginning
And people do talk to each other
The more theSeed did, the more people talked. The more people talked, the more people came. '71 was when 'Alligator Alley' was opened, I think.
The time lapses just leave me in awe.
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Can you give me your initials. Are you a girl or guy? I was around back then & i'm tryin to remember.
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Can you give me your initials. Are you a girl or guy? I was around back then & i'm tryin to remember.
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N/A/L?!!
Absolutely: you won't remember me. The initials were MGM and I was a 16 year old girl in '71. Still a girl (hell; I'm a grandma now!!) for those sarcastic few... :wink:
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Have at it Julio...I wouldn't urinate on Art if he was on fire :exclaim: