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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: heretik on October 31, 2010, 11:50:08 AM
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There is that Danny Bennison guy, he's always lying about his survivor experiences. Maybe you should ask him about it?
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There is that Danny Bennison guy, he's always lying about his survivor experiences. Maybe you should ask him about it?
Great example! There's also John Reuben aka Whooter: he lied about having a son who was a program survivor, presumably to lend false credibility to his own arguments supporting
parents who sent their kids to abusive programs. Maybe you should ask him about that.
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Some people who were abused in teen treatment programs became so brainwashed that they lie to protect the program even years after they get out. People like Danny Bennison and Max-it are excellent examples of this. Max/suckit very passionately defended these programs, denied abuse allegations and preached about how successful the programs are. As we know now, Max-it was lying about all that. He admitted to being a shameless liar and dope-fiend in his goodbye post. Danny Bennison lies to promote programs even though he was abused at Elan. Ask him why, cause I can't figure that one out. So why do some ex-treatment center inmates lie to protect their precious program instead of admitting to the abuse? Stockholm Syndrome would be my guess.
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I myself believed for several years that the program was helpful and that the only ones who suffered were the ones who had no desire to better themselves. I am curious if anyone has a link to the story 20/20 did back around '98 on the WWASPS program in Paradise Cove. One of the people interviewed was Sergio Alva, I was there with Sergio and I want to see if he was truthful about his stay there. I never got a chance to see the episode and I heard it was banned in the U.S. (gotta love our freedom of speech).
Anywho, my question is this. The people who got the worst of it were already in a bad position IMO. They were horribly abused by the programs and definitely were worse after they got out than when they showed up. If they are embellishing or lying about what went on, how responsible are the people or the program that inflicted the torture. IMO, some of these cats seriously lost their minds while they were there, so maybe they are broken now to the point of no return. Torture can make people delusional, and I think in some of these cases that is exactly what is happening. When you have lost a grip on reality how can you be lying?
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Obviously, many kids are forced by the program to lie. If they don't lie and say everything is peachy, they're being helped, treated humanely, etc, they get punished until they learn to lie about their treatment in order to avoid the punishment they receive when they tell the truth. Lying is induced by the program and becomes routine.
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It seems many here agree that Survivors lie. So moving past the question of "If they lie" for a minute. We are starting to see many people here blame the programs for their dishonest behavior which touches upon the issue of "Why the abused lie".
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I'm glad to see that all have reached consensus that kids who went to "programs" were in fact abused. Abuse victims often lie about their abuse and their abusers. This is a well-established psychological pehnomenon.
I think it's more important to get to the root of the issue, however: "Why do programs abuse children in their care"? I think this would help to answer the question of "why the abused lie."
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Abuse victims often lie about their abuse and their abusers.
This throws a lot of questions on the table as to why the child lies and which part of their story is true and which is false. If a child says they were kidnapped, starved, beaten, forced to walk 100's of miles without water, sleep deprived.... etc. which one of these would be the truth and which ones are the lies. Or would we never know?
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I'm glad to see that all have reached consensus that kids who went to "programs" were in fact abused. Abuse victims often lie about their abuse and their abusers. This is a well-established psychological pehnomenon.
I think it's more important to get to the root of the issue, however: "Why do programs abuse children in their care"? I think this would help to answer the question of "why the abused lie."
When I first got out I lied to make sure I wasn't sent back into that hellhole. Here, I haven't lied about anything that I've said was done either to me or others in Straight.
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Victims of abuse often lie. Usually they lie to minimize the abuse or protect their abusers.
As a rule of thumb, I would be inclined to believe that, whatever a child tells about how they were abused, it was likely worse than their retelling. Abused children are not generally malingerers. In fact, it is usually the opposite.
So when I hear a child's claims of abuse, I am inclined to not only believe them, but to seek out additional facts about the abuse because children often make it seem less harmful, damaging or extensive than it actually was.
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I'm glad to see that all have reached consensus that kids who went to "programs" were in fact abused. Abuse victims often lie about their abuse and their abusers. This is a well-established psychological pehnomenon.
I think it's more important to get to the root of the issue, however: "Why do programs abuse children in their care"? I think this would help to answer the question of "why the abused lie."
When I first got out I lied to make sure I wasn't sent back into that hellhole. Here, I haven't lied about anything that I've said was done either to me or others in Straight.
Thank you. The whole truth and nothing but the truth.
I bear no ill will to the OP, but this thread seems unnecessarily apologetic; there is no need to kow-tow to program supporters with threads like this one, as if survivors needed to. Just because someone starts a thread entitled "Why Survivors Need To Lie" or whatever it was called does not mean we have to counter that bullshit with explanation. That just plays into it. I've been on this board for several years, and never had reason to doubt a survivor's testimony here. My experience has shown that it is the programs that cover-up, fabricate, and generally lie their asses off in effort to keep the machine going.
There is no need for survivors to "embellish," the truth is bad enough as it is....and ftr, I have no respect for a survivor who makes shit up, whatever their intention.
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No different then a wife who says, "I walked into a door." When asked how she got her black eye. Sometimes people will cover up their abuse out of fear of further retribution. The fact of the matter is though that no one has any need to lie about being abused in these places. The truth is bad enough. That reason is exactly why Whooter has been unable to provide a post showing a survivor actually lying about being abused. None exist.
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I'm glad to see that all have reached consensus that kids who went to "programs" were in fact abused. Abuse victims often lie about their abuse and their abusers. This is a well-established psychological pehnomenon.
I think it's more important to get to the root of the issue, however: "Why do programs abuse children in their care"? I think this would help to answer the question of "why the abused lie."
When I first got out I lied to make sure I wasn't sent back into that hellhole. Here, I haven't lied about anything that I've said was done either to me or others in Straight.
Thank you. The whole truth and nothing but the truth.
I bear no ill will to the OP, but this thread seems unnecessarily apologetic; there is no need to kow-tow to program supporters with threads like this one, as if survivors needed to. Just because someone starts a thread entitled "Why Survivors Need To Lie" or whatever it was called does not mean we have to counter that bullshit with explanation. That just plays into it. I've been on this board for several years, and never had reason to doubt a survivor's testimony here. My experience has shown that it is the programs that cover-up, fabricate, and generally lie their asses off in effort to keep the machine going.
There is no need for survivors to "embellish," the truth is bad enough as it is....and ftr, I have no respect for a survivor who makes shit up, whatever their intention.
Exactly! And that's exactly why they title the threads that way. It assumes that survivors are lying about being abused and that's what they want the readers to believe.
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jesus fucking Christ Danny, do you expect anyone to believe you aren't Heretikic? It is midnight in florida right now and you both can't be at work.
LAME....
Someone ban his other sock please, he's trolling people with two identities.
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OK Anne, you never lied here, I am truly happy for you but this isn't just about one person
Huh??? I never said or even implied that it was.
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Folks ,please do my old ,tired ass a favor.GET OFF ONE ANOTHERS ASSES. please. As for the who/whooter, ugh......dont even know why you bother posting here..........YOU DIDNT SURVIVE SHIT.........and because you didnt......your opinion is at best UNQUALIFIED as far as being on this forum. ::deadhorse::
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So what Danny is saying is that survivors don't lie about being abused, they lie about not being abused.
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So what Danny is saying is that survivors don't lie about being abused, they lie about not being abused.
That seems to be what he is saying. I agree that abuse victims will typically downplay or minimize the actual abuse they suffered. This is for a variety of reasons like Stockholm Syndrome, guilt, trouble remembering details, fear etc etc etc. Many people just don't want to face what actually happened to them. Some will passionately deny that they suffered any abuse at all.
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Good analogy Danny. Rape victims often don't report their assults for the same reason. I think Whooter's thinking concerning that programs are dangerous because they have no oversight, accountability, and will hire just about anyone, leads to this sort of problem more often than not. Only with proper licensure and more openness on the part of these programs will the abuse ever stem.
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Have we gotten around to discussing why Danny is Heretik and Heretik is Danny?
I'm still curious why the Heretik account has been left open. A total fucking moron can see they are the same people.
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It seems many here agree that Survivors lie. So moving past the question of "If they lie" for a minute. We are starting to see many people here blame the programs for their dishonest behavior which touches upon the issue of "Why the abused lie".
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Danny Benisson is not a survivor. Nobody remembers him from the program. This thread that he most likely started is simply the action of a provocateur seeking to manufacture a "survivor" to admit to lying (and picking others who have "admitted" to lying) when no other valid examples have ever been found. Why the abused lie, again, is a loaded question like one of Whooter's and should not be answered. DO the abused lie is the question that should be asked, and proof should be demanded because so far all you people (program apologists) such as Heretik, his identical IP twin DannyB, and Whooter can do is manufacture evidence, quote people out of context, and make up imaginary survivor friends who will 'admit' to lying. Among other things, i'm calling bullshit on the OP's "lied, embellished or fabricated. I have met survivors who have done one of the three if not all because they wanted there story to be heard".
Oh? You want legitimate discussion? I'm sure you do /sarcasm.
There is no need for survivors to "embellish," the truth is bad enough as it is....and ftr, I have no respect for a survivor who makes shit up, whatever their intention.
Exactly. If anything survivors would have to tone things down to be believed. As I understand it, Over the GW was like that in that respect. Who the hell would exaggerate. It's things like this which cause me to doubt Heretik was actually a survivor in a program.
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Danny Benisson is not a survivor. Nobody remembers him from the program.
Just as many of us suspected.
DO the abused lie is the question that should be asked, and proof should be demanded
:notworthy: I keep asking for proof of Whooter's assertion that I admitted to "embellshing" and that "Straight actually helped me". I've never received a response, let alone any proof.
because so far all you people (program apologists) such as Heretik, his identical IP twin DannyB,
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There is no need for survivors to "embellish," the truth is bad enough as it is.
Exactly. If anything survivors would have to tone things down to be believed. As I understand it, Over the GW was like that in that respect. Who the hell would exaggerate. It's things like this which cause me to doubt Heretik was actually a survivor in a program.
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I am not Danny, never have been Danny and will not be Danny next year.
Your posts and opinions sure do mirror his, almost exactly.
I would also like you to see if I am not real. Marathon House. Please "PUT UP OR SHUT UP", your words.
How 'bout you just shut the fuck up completely? You really serve no purpose here except to incite others into fighting.
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Anne, wrong person. Please save all your aggression for someone else.
The "topic" is about lying.
The civil and responsible posters have said their piece. If you can elaborate more on this that would be great, if not no problem.
If your looking for a fight can not help you.
I will also say to you, since you brought it up and continue too. heretik not being a survivor and being DannyB, "PUT UP OR SHUT UP".
I will say this for someone who hardly knows you, you really should not point the finger at someone else concerning fighting. You seem to be stepping in and out of fights
almost weekly with other posters.
Anne I have not incited, caused nor had "fights" with anyone here. Sorry wrong guy. My name is "heretik". This is a promise I can make because it is not in my nature to fight.
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Well, if you have a sincere heart and are willing to keep the door open a crack you will see I am not DannyB in time. Go to facebook and check his (Danny"s) status out yourself, he has his own facebook account many of your friends you will be seeing on your boat the weekend in Florida are his friends on facebook. You big dummy, Danny was invited to the event and contributed money to the cause. Anne wake up and smell the coffee.
::) ::) I could give a shit if you're him or not. The fact remains that your posts and opinions seem to mirror his almost exactly. Not to mention the IP issue.
And I'm calling bullshit on your claim that Danny was invited to the 'event'. It is for STRAIGHT survivors and has nothing to do with Elan.
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Anne, wrong person. Please save all your aggression for someone else.
The "topic" is about lying.
The civil and responsible posters have said their piece. If you can elaborate more on this that would be great, if not no problem.
If your looking for a fight can not help you.
I will also say to you, since you brought it up and continue too. heretik not being a survivor and being DannyB, "PUT UP OR SHUT UP".
I will say this for someone who hardly knows you, you really should not point the finger at someone else concerning fighting. You seem to be stepping in and out of fights
almost weekly with other posters.
Anne I have not incited, caused nor had "fights" with anyone here. Sorry wrong guy. My name is "heretik". This is a promise I can make because it is not in my nature to fight.
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Well, if you have a sincere heart and are willing to keep the door open a crack you will see I am not DannyB in time. Go to facebook and check his (Danny"s) status out yourself, he has his own facebook account many of your friends you will be seeing on your boat the weekend in Florida are his friends on facebook. You big dummy, Danny was invited to the event and contributed money to the cause. Anne wake up and smell the coffee.
He's not on my list of people who responded to be interviewed. Maybe this is regarding the "other" documentary that is being made?
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Well, if you have a sincere heart and are willing to keep the door open a crack you will see I am not DannyB in time. Go to facebook and check his (Danny"s) status out yourself, he has his own facebook account many of your friends you will be seeing on your boat the weekend in Florida are his friends on facebook. You big dummy, Danny was invited to the event and contributed money to the cause. Anne wake up and smell the coffee.
::) ::) I could give a shit if you're him or not. The fact remains that your posts and opinions seem to mirror his almost exactly. Not to mention the IP issue.
And I'm calling bullshit on your claim that Danny was invited to the 'event'. It is for STRAIGHT survivors and has nothing to do with Elan.
No Anne, it is not for just Straight people anybody who is contributing can show up. Call it what ever you want.
Now you are a confusing person, out of one side of your mouth you say, "Danny is not a survivor and not from Elan" then you say out of the other side of your mouth,"Danny is not invited because he is from Elan". Then if that is not good enough, you now say, "I could not give a shit".
Anne make up your mind.
This is why I don't fight with people because they usually run around in circles.
Wrong! lol You have your facts mixed up. This is a movie about Straight. THere is another movie called THe Program that maybe you're referring to, but this is just about Straight. Not to leave anyone out it just happens to be the topic of the movie. No where did I post anything about "if you contribute you're involved", so I'm really not sure where this is coming from.
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Well, if you have a sincere heart and are willing to keep the door open a crack you will see I am not DannyB in time. Go to facebook and check his (Danny"s) status out yourself, he has his own facebook account many of your friends you will be seeing on your boat the weekend in Florida are his friends on facebook. You big dummy, Danny was invited to the event and contributed money to the cause. Anne wake up and smell the coffee.
::) ::) I could give a shit if you're him or not. The fact remains that your posts and opinions seem to mirror his almost exactly. Not to mention the IP issue.
And I'm calling bullshit on your claim that Danny was invited to the 'event'. It is for STRAIGHT survivors and has nothing to do with Elan.
No Anne, it is not for just Straight people anybody who is contributing can show up.
Bull fucking shit! I just got absolute proof that Danny's name is mentioned NOWHERE...so you're threats are as empty as DannyBoi's were.
Now you are a confusing person, out of one side of your mouth you say, "Danny is not a survivor and not from Elan"
I said it made sense when Psy said Danny wasnt' a survivor of Elan
then you say out of the other side of your mouth,"Danny is not invited because he is from Elan".
Because DannyBoi always claimed to be both a survivor of and an Assistant Director of Elan.
This is why I don't fight with people :roflmao: because they usually run around in circles.
Your buddy DannyBoi is the only one doing that.
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Calling out Danny and his alterego heritik is a prime example of "survivor" lying. More so it is a prime example of someone pretending to be a survivor and who is lying his little ass off while using multiple accounts.
To discuss these things aren't even off topic.
Awesome.
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Calling out Danny and his alterego heritik is a prime example of "survivor" lying. More so it is a prime example of someone pretending to be a survivor and who is lying his little ass off while using multiple accounts.
To discuss these things aren't even off topic.
Awesome.
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And I find it amusing that Heretik suddenly went quiet when I said that I have absolute proof (and I do) that he's lying about Danny's "involvement" with this project. :rofl: :twofinger:
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Froderik wrote:
Thank you. The whole truth and nothing but the truth.
I bear no ill will to the OP, but this thread seems unnecessarily apologetic; there is no need to kow-tow to program supporters with threads like this one, as if survivors needed to. Just because someone starts a thread entitled "Why Survivors Need To Lie" or whatever it was called does not mean we have to counter that bullshit with explanation. That just plays into it. I've been on this board for several years, and never had reason to doubt a survivor's testimony here. My experience has shown that it is the programs that cover-up, fabricate, and generally lie their asses off in effort to keep the machine going.
There is no need for survivors to "embellish," the truth is bad enough as it is....and ftr, I have no respect for a survivor who makes shit up, whatever their intention.
Froderik, in essence summed up what my whole point was to this thread. Maybe I should have stopped after this post because it all went down hill after that. Sorry I did not take heed.
PM's were exchanged and they got emotional and it spilled over into here. I would not mind if you threw this whole thread in the toilet or where ever you want.
The administrator of this site totally disrespected me on this thread I started, so now no one feels compelled to stay on topic or respect the thread. I am not into fighting or bashing, so I am bailing on this thread. Have at it.
I have edited out all my previous comments except my apology to Anne and this post concerning Froderik's comments.
This is in reference to my comments about what I thought Danny said about the Straight documentary weekend.
Anne, you are right, my bad. Why I even brought this up I don't know. I am really sorry if I caused any trouble. It was sincerely not my intention . What was I threatening you about, this has got me stumped??? What I am guilty of is sticking my nose somewhere I should not of.
This is what I get for not minding my own business.
Sorry Web Diva for any confusion on my part, I should have just kept my typing quiet.
Anne I apologize. I do not threaten or try to hurt people.
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Froderik wrote:
Thank you. The whole truth and nothing but the truth.
I bear no ill will to the OP, but this thread seems unnecessarily apologetic; there is no need to kow-tow to program supporters with threads like this one, as if survivors needed to. Just because someone starts a thread entitled "Why Survivors Need To Lie" or whatever it was called does not mean we have to counter that bullshit with explanation. That just plays into it. I've been on this board for several years, and never had reason to doubt a survivor's testimony here. My experience has shown that it is the programs that cover-up, fabricate, and generally lie their asses off in effort to keep the machine going.
There is no need for survivors to "embellish," the truth is bad enough as it is....and ftr, I have no respect for a survivor who makes shit up, whatever their intention.
Froderik, in essence summed up what my whole point was to this thread. Maybe I should have stopped after this post because it all went down hill after that. Sorry I did not take heed.
PM's were exchanged and they got emotional and it spilled over into here. I would not mind if you threw this whole thread in the toilet or (where ever you want).
The administrator of this site totally disrespected me on this thread I started, so now no one feels compelled to stay on topic or respect the thread. I am not into fighting or bashing, so I am bailing on this thread. Have at it.
I have edited out all my previous comments except my apology to Anne and this post concerning Froderik's comments.
This is in reference to my comments about what I thought Danny said about the Straight documentary weekend.
Anne, you are right, my bad. Why I even brought this up I don't know. I am really sorry if I caused any trouble. It was sincerely not my intention . What was I threatening you about, this has got me stumped??? What I am guilty of is sticking my nose somewhere I should not of.
This is what I get for not minding my own business.
Sorry Web Diva for any confusion on my part, I should have just kept my typing quiet.
Anne I apologize. I do not threaten or try to hurt people.
I will not toss this thread into the offa. You can appeal my decision to psy.
Just in case you missed it Joel.
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Danny, stop trying to derail your own thread. Just because you don't like the turn the conversation has taken it doesn't mean it is off topic. The discussion is asking about why do survivors lie?
Why are you Danny/Heritick lying?
Very on topic even if you don't like the direction.
Moderators, I think a warn is in order for Danny/Hritick for their attempts to derail this thread.
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I have edited out all my previous comments except my apology to Anne
The one below? Cuz that's the only one I see. It is appreciated, but DAMN. You were WAY out of line.
This is in reference to my comments about what I thought Danny said about the Straight documentary weekend.
Anne, you are right, my bad. Why I even brought this up I don't know. I am really sorry if I caused any trouble. It was sincerely not my intention . What was I threatening you about, this has got me stumped???
Because it seems very likely that you are, in fact, DannyBoi. I could be wrong, but that's how it seems and he very definitely has physically threatened me, multiple times. And even if you're NOT DannyBoi, to insinuate that he was coming to this "event" after all the times he's threatened me, was threatening itself.
What I am guilty of is sticking my nose somewhere I should not of.
This is what I get for not minding my own business.
Sorry Web Diva for any confusion on my part, I should have just kept my typing quiet.
Anne I apologize. I do not threaten or try to hurt people.
We'll see.
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I have edited out all my previous comments except my apology to Anne
The one below? Cuz that's the only one I see. It is appreciated, but DAMN. You were WAY out of line.
This is in reference to my comments about what I thought Danny said about the Straight documentary weekend.
Anne, you are right, my bad. Why I even brought this up I don't know. I am really sorry if I caused any trouble. It was sincerely not my intention . What was I threatening you about, this has got me stumped???
Because it seems very likely that you are, in fact, DannyBoi. I could be wrong, but that's how it seems and he very definitely has physically threatened me, multiple times. And even if you're NOT DannyBoi, to insinuate that he was coming to this "event" after all the times he's threatened me, was threatening itself.
What I am guilty of is sticking my nose somewhere I should not of.
This is what I get for not minding my own business.
Sorry Web Diva for any confusion on my part, I should have just kept my typing quiet.
Anne I apologize. I do not threaten or try to hurt people.
We'll see.
Anne, I can not apologize enough. Why I said what I did is because of ignorance, just plain stupidity. I am not usually this insensitive or flippant. I would just like if we could move on and call this what it was a "horrible mistake".
Take Care