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Title: Parents are warned about Hyde School by watchdog group
Post by: Anonymous on September 12, 2006, 10:01:58 PM
I just discovered that the watchdog group, ISAC (International Survivors Action Committee), has added the Hyde School to its widely publicized list of abusive and harmful schools and programs that parents should avoid because of reputable complaints and other "information of concern."  The web site provides information about lawsuits and complaints, in addition to other information.  This is a very significant development.

The list of problem schools and programs, including information about the Hyde School, is available at: http://www.isaccorp.org/watchlist.asp (http://www.isaccorp.org/watchlist.asp)
Title: Re: Parents are warned about Hyde School by watchdog group
Post by: Anonymous on September 13, 2006, 01:50:24 PM
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I just discovered that the watchdog group, ISAC (International Survivors Action Committee), has added the Hyde School to its widely publicized list of abusive and harmful schools and programs that parents should avoid because of reputable complaints and other "information of concern."  The web site provides information about lawsuits and complaints, in addition to other information.  This is a very significant development.

The list of problem schools and programs, including information about the Hyde School, is available at: http://www.isaccorp.org/watchlist.asp (http://www.isaccorp.org/watchlist.asp)


Thanks for the info.  It looks like a reputable site.  I know it is slander to publish something about a corporation that is not true.  I must assume that ISAC's information it accurate and true or they would not post it.  Hyde does indeed look like a scary place based on the posting on ISAC.
Title: Re: Parents are warned about Hyde School by watchdog group
Post by: Anonymous on September 13, 2006, 07:01:37 PM
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I just discovered that the watchdog group, ISAC (International Survivors Action Committee), has added the Hyde School to its widely publicized list of abusive and harmful schools and programs that parents should avoid because of reputable complaints and other "information of concern."  The web site provides information about lawsuits and complaints, in addition to other information.  This is a very significant development.

The list of problem schools and programs, including information about the Hyde School, is available at: http://www.isaccorp.org/watchlist.asp (http://www.isaccorp.org/watchlist.asp)

I'll say.  Parents should be very wary of sending their child to Hyde, based on this information.

Thanks for the info.  It looks like a reputable site.  I know it is slander to publish something about a corporation that is not true.  I must assume that ISAC's information it accurate and true or they would not post it.  Hyde does indeed look like a scary place based on the posting on ISAC.
Title: Re: Parents are warned about Hyde School by watchdog group
Post by: Anonymous on September 16, 2006, 08:11:27 AM
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I just discovered that the watchdog group, ISAC (International Survivors Action Committee), has added the Hyde School to its widely publicized list of abusive and harmful schools and programs that parents should avoid because of reputable complaints and other "information of concern."  The web site provides information about lawsuits and complaints, in addition to other information.  This is a very significant development.

The list of problem schools and programs, including information about the Hyde School, is available at: http://www.isaccorp.org/watchlist.asp (http://www.isaccorp.org/watchlist.asp)


Thanks for informing everyone about this website.  I'm fascinated that this group found out about Hyde and, based on its review, concluded that Hyde belongs on its list of schools that engage in abusive practices.
Title: Re: Parents are warned about Hyde School by watchdog group
Post by: Anonymous on September 16, 2006, 08:38:09 AM
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I just discovered that the watchdog group, ISAC (International Survivors Action Committee), has added the Hyde School to its widely publicized list of abusive and harmful schools and programs that parents should avoid because of reputable complaints and other "information of concern."  The web site provides information about lawsuits and complaints, in addition to other information.  This is a very significant development.

The list of problem schools and programs, including information about the Hyde School, is available at: http://www.isaccorp.org/watchlist.asp (http://www.isaccorp.org/watchlist.asp)

Thanks for informing everyone about this website.  I'm fascinated that this group found out about Hyde and, based on its review, concluded that Hyde belongs on its list of schools that engage in abusive practices.


Please help.  I do not see where the watchdog drew that conclution.  Can you cut and paste here?  All I see is a couple of documents posted lamely as jpgs and a summary of the Larry D incident.  Please help. I need to be cautioned.
Title: Re: Parents are warned about Hyde School by watchdog group
Post by: Anonymous on September 16, 2006, 04:57:10 PM
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I just discovered that the watchdog group, ISAC (International Survivors Action Committee), has added the Hyde School to its widely publicized list of abusive and harmful schools and programs that parents should avoid because of reputable complaints and other "information of concern."  The web site provides information about lawsuits and complaints, in addition to other information.  This is a very significant development.

The list of problem schools and programs, including information about the Hyde School, is available at: http://www.isaccorp.org/watchlist.asp (http://www.isaccorp.org/watchlist.asp)

Thanks for informing everyone about this website.  I'm fascinated that this group found out about Hyde and, based on its review, concluded that Hyde belongs on its list of schools that engage in abusive practices.

Please help.  I do not see where the watchdog drew that conclution.  Can you cut and paste here?  All I see is a couple of documents posted lamely as jpgs and a summary of the Larry D incident.  Please help. I need to be cautioned.


Yes, I see that it's true.  This organization reviews information about schools and programs and determines whether there's enough evidence to conclude that the complaints are credible.  I just looked at ISAC's website.  They have a "watch list" with schools and programs around the U.S. where there have been major problems.  Hyde School is now on that list.  

Here is where you will find the information: http://www.isaccorp.org/watchlist.asp (http://www.isaccorp.org/watchlist.asp)  

ISAC says on its website that "ISAC is a unique watchdog organization, focused on exposing abuse, civil rights violations and fraud perpetuated through privately-owned facilities for juveniles."
Title: Re: Parents are warned about Hyde School by watchdog group
Post by: Anonymous on September 16, 2006, 05:09:53 PM
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I just discovered that the watchdog group, ISAC (International Survivors Action Committee), has added the Hyde School to its widely publicized list of abusive and harmful schools and programs that parents should avoid because of reputable complaints and other "information of concern."  The web site provides information about lawsuits and complaints, in addition to other information.  This is a very significant development.

The list of problem schools and programs, including information about the Hyde School, is available at: http://www.isaccorp.org/watchlist.asp (http://www.isaccorp.org/watchlist.asp)

Thanks for informing everyone about this website.  I'm fascinated that this group found out about Hyde and, based on its review, concluded that Hyde belongs on its list of schools that engage in abusive practices.

Please help.  I do not see where the watchdog drew that conclution.  Can you cut and paste here?  All I see is a couple of documents posted lamely as jpgs and a summary of the Larry D incident.  Please help. I need to be cautioned.


I looked at these docs and they are of great concern to me.  I find the letter from Joe Gauld the most frightening as it indicates that he runs the school like a cult.  The interpretation of the letter is, leave your kids to us to raise and don't question us.  Wow.....very scary
Title: Re: Parents are warned about Hyde School by watchdog group
Post by: Anonymous on September 17, 2006, 12:10:08 PM
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I just discovered that the watchdog group, ISAC (International Survivors Action Committee), has added the Hyde School to its widely publicized list of abusive and harmful schools and programs that parents should avoid because of reputable complaints and other "information of concern."  The web site provides information about lawsuits and complaints, in addition to other information.  This is a very significant development.

The list of problem schools and programs, including information about the Hyde School, is available at: http://www.isaccorp.org/watchlist.asp (http://www.isaccorp.org/watchlist.asp)

Thanks for informing everyone about this website.  I'm fascinated that this group found out about Hyde and, based on its review, concluded that Hyde belongs on its list of schools that engage in abusive practices.

Please help.  I do not see where the watchdog drew that conclution.  Can you cut and paste here?  All I see is a couple of documents posted lamely as jpgs and a summary of the Larry D incident.  Please help. I need to be cautioned.

I looked at these docs and they are of great concern to me.  I find the letter from Joe Gauld the most frightening as it indicates that he runs the school like a cult.  The interpretation of the letter is, leave your kids to us to raise and don't question us.  Wow.....very scary


What are the indications that he runs the schol like a cult?  What indication is there that the posting of said documents on the site means that hyde is a " harmful school(s)"  I do not see any such claim on the site that the list is  a "widely publicized list of abusive and harmful schools and programs"  I am open minded.  Please show and explain to me.

Thanks
Title: Re: Parents are warned about Hyde School by watchdog group
Post by: Anonymous on September 17, 2006, 02:25:18 PM
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I just discovered that the watchdog group, ISAC (International Survivors Action Committee), has added the Hyde School to its widely publicized list of abusive and harmful schools and programs that parents should avoid because of reputable complaints and other "information of concern."  The web site provides information about lawsuits and complaints, in addition to other information.  This is a very significant development.

The list of problem schools and programs, including information about the Hyde School, is available at: http://www.isaccorp.org/watchlist.asp (http://www.isaccorp.org/watchlist.asp)

Thanks for informing everyone about this website.  I'm fascinated that this group found out about Hyde and, based on its review, concluded that Hyde belongs on its list of schools that engage in abusive practices.

Please help.  I do not see where the watchdog drew that conclution.  Can you cut and paste here?  All I see is a couple of documents posted lamely as jpgs and a summary of the Larry D incident.  Please help. I need to be cautioned.

I looked at these docs and they are of great concern to me.  I find the letter from Joe Gauld the most frightening as it indicates that he runs the school like a cult.  The interpretation of the letter is, leave your kids to us to raise and don't question us.  Wow.....very scary

What are the indications that he runs the schol like a cult?  What indication is there that the posting of said documents on the site means that hyde is a " harmful school(s)"  I do not see any such claim on the site that the list is  a "widely publicized list of abusive and harmful schools and programs"  I am open minded.  Please show and explain to me.

Thanks


Regarding the cult qualities, did you read the Traub article posted on this website?  I think it's pretty damning and persuasive; although Hyde may have some redeeming qualities, Traub documents lots of problems that should raise eyebrows.. Regarding the "widely publicized list," this ISAC website is cited a great deal on the internet.  I think it's fair to say this list is widely publicized.  Regarding abusive and harmful schools, read the criteria that this website's sponors use to judge whether a school or program is harmful and/or abusive.  You can decide for yourself whether the criteria and list are reasonable and fair.  I've taken a good look at this material and believe the sponsors are generally very careful and thorough.  My impression is that the sponsors reviewed lots of material about Hyde and concluded that there's sufficient evidence of problems there for the school to be put on this list.  They seem to limit their list to schools and programs that have had very serious problems.  You may disagree, which is your right, of course.  For me, based on my experience at Hyde, what I've heard from other Hyde families during the past few years, and my review of the material on this website, I'd say the website sponsors reached a fair conclusion.  If you disagree, please challenge their conclusion.  It's fair to debate these issues.
Title: Re: Parents are warned about Hyde School by watchdog group
Post by: Anonymous on September 17, 2006, 02:38:11 PM
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I just discovered that the watchdog group, ISAC (International Survivors Action Committee), has added the Hyde School to its widely publicized list of abusive and harmful schools and programs that parents should avoid because of reputable complaints and other "information of concern."  The web site provides information about lawsuits and complaints, in addition to other information.  This is a very significant development.

The list of problem schools and programs, including information about the Hyde School, is available at: http://www.isaccorp.org/watchlist.asp (http://www.isaccorp.org/watchlist.asp)

Thanks for informing everyone about this website.  I'm fascinated that this group found out about Hyde and, based on its review, concluded that Hyde belongs on its list of schools that engage in abusive practices.

Please help.  I do not see where the watchdog drew that conclution.  Can you cut and paste here?  All I see is a couple of documents posted lamely as jpgs and a summary of the Larry D incident.  Please help. I need to be cautioned.

I looked at these docs and they are of great concern to me.  I find the letter from Joe Gauld the most frightening as it indicates that he runs the school like a cult.  The interpretation of the letter is, leave your kids to us to raise and don't question us.  Wow.....very scary

What are the indications that he runs the schol like a cult?  What indication is there that the posting of said documents on the site means that hyde is a " harmful school(s)"  I do not see any such claim on the site that the list is  a "widely publicized list of abusive and harmful schools and programs"  I am open minded.  Please show and explain to me.

Thanks

Regarding the cult qualities, did you read the Traub article posted on this website?  I think it's pretty damning and persuasive; although Hyde may have some redeeming qualities, Traub documents lots of problems that should raise eyebrows.. Regarding the "widely publicized list," this ISAC website is cited a great deal on the internet.  I think it's fair to say this list is widely publicized.  Regarding abusive and harmful schools, read the criteria that this website's sponors use to judge whether a school or program is harmful and/or abusive.  You can decide for yourself whether the criteria and list are reasonable and fair.  I've taken a good look at this material and believe the sponsors are generally very careful and thorough.  My impression is that the sponsors reviewed lots of material about Hyde and concluded that there's sufficient evidence of problems there for the school to be put on this list.  They seem to limit their list to schools and programs that have had very serious problems.  You may disagree, which is your right, of course.  For me, based on my experience at Hyde, what I've heard from other Hyde families during the past few years, and my review of the material on this website, I'd say the website sponsors reached a fair conclusion.  If you disagree, please challenge their conclusion.  It's fair to debate these issues.


You site Joes letter to orignally claim cult - hood for hyde, then in your most recent post refer to the Traub article.   Also you avoid backing your claim that being on a list on the watchdog site means the operators of the site have labeled the listed as abusive or harmful.  

so back to the my two questions:
 what in the Joe letter ....

where does it state on the site that listing is tantamount to being harmful and abusive?
Title: Re: Parents are warned about Hyde School by watchdog group
Post by: Anonymous on September 17, 2006, 05:31:01 PM
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I just discovered that the watchdog group, ISAC (International Survivors Action Committee), has added the Hyde School to its widely publicized list of abusive and harmful schools and programs that parents should avoid because of reputable complaints and other "information of concern."  The web site provides information about lawsuits and complaints, in addition to other information.  This is a very significant development.

The list of problem schools and programs, including information about the Hyde School, is available at: http://www.isaccorp.org/watchlist.asp (http://www.isaccorp.org/watchlist.asp)

Thanks for informing everyone about this website.  I'm fascinated that this group found out about Hyde and, based on its review, concluded that Hyde belongs on its list of schools that engage in abusive practices.

Please help.  I do not see where the watchdog drew that conclution.  Can you cut and paste here?  All I see is a couple of documents posted lamely as jpgs and a summary of the Larry D incident.  Please help. I need to be cautioned.

I looked at these docs and they are of great concern to me.  I find the letter from Joe Gauld the most frightening as it indicates that he runs the school like a cult.  The interpretation of the letter is, leave your kids to us to raise and don't question us.  Wow.....very scary

What are the indications that he runs the schol like a cult?  What indication is there that the posting of said documents on the site means that hyde is a " harmful school(s)"  I do not see any such claim on the site that the list is  a "widely publicized list of abusive and harmful schools and programs"  I am open minded.  Please show and explain to me.

Thanks

Regarding the cult qualities, did you read the Traub article posted on this website?  I think it's pretty damning and persuasive; although Hyde may have some redeeming qualities, Traub documents lots of problems that should raise eyebrows.. Regarding the "widely publicized list," this ISAC website is cited a great deal on the internet.  I think it's fair to say this list is widely publicized.  Regarding abusive and harmful schools, read the criteria that this website's sponors use to judge whether a school or program is harmful and/or abusive.  You can decide for yourself whether the criteria and list are reasonable and fair.  I've taken a good look at this material and believe the sponsors are generally very careful and thorough.  My impression is that the sponsors reviewed lots of material about Hyde and concluded that there's sufficient evidence of problems there for the school to be put on this list.  They seem to limit their list to schools and programs that have had very serious problems.  You may disagree, which is your right, of course.  For me, based on my experience at Hyde, what I've heard from other Hyde families during the past few years, and my review of the material on this website, I'd say the website sponsors reached a fair conclusion.  If you disagree, please challenge their conclusion.  It's fair to debate these issues.

You site Joes letter to orignally claim cult - hood for hyde, then in your most recent post refer to the Traub article.   Also you avoid backing your claim that being on a list on the watchdog site means the operators of the site have labeled the listed as abusive or harmful.  

so back to the my two questions:
 what in the Joe letter ....

where does it state on the site that listing is tantamount to being harmful and abusive?


First, I didn't say anything about Joe Gauld's letter.  That was someone else posting on this site.  Second, as for the watchdog group, I would encourage you to read all of the information ISAC posts on its website that explains how schools and programs end up on their "watch" list of schools and programs that have generated significant complaints.  Of course, you have the right to disagree with their process.  For myself, I'm convinced that along with whatever good that happens at Hyde there has been a history of emotional abuse and negligence.  I've witnessed it myself, as have a number of other people who have posted on this board.
Title: Re: Parents are warned about Hyde School by watchdog group
Post by: Anonymous on September 18, 2006, 05:50:29 AM
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I just discovered that the watchdog group, ISAC (International Survivors Action Committee), has added the Hyde School to its widely publicized list of abusive and harmful schools and programs that parents should avoid because of reputable complaints and other "information of concern."  The web site provides information about lawsuits and complaints, in addition to other information.  This is a very significant development.

The list of problem schools and programs, including information about the Hyde School, is available at: http://www.isaccorp.org/watchlist.asp (http://www.isaccorp.org/watchlist.asp)

Thanks for informing everyone about this website.  I'm fascinated that this group found out about Hyde and, based on its review, concluded that Hyde belongs on its list of schools that engage in abusive practices.

Please help.  I do not see where the watchdog drew that conclution.  Can you cut and paste here?  All I see is a couple of documents posted lamely as jpgs and a summary of the Larry D incident.  Please help. I need to be cautioned.

I looked at these docs and they are of great concern to me.  I find the letter from Joe Gauld the most frightening as it indicates that he runs the school like a cult.  The interpretation of the letter is, leave your kids to us to raise and don't question us.  Wow.....very scary

What are the indications that he runs the schol like a cult?  What indication is there that the posting of said documents on the site means that hyde is a " harmful school(s)"  I do not see any such claim on the site that the list is  a "widely publicized list of abusive and harmful schools and programs"  I am open minded.  Please show and explain to me.

Thanks

Regarding the cult qualities, did you read the Traub article posted on this website?  I think it's pretty damning and persuasive; although Hyde may have some redeeming qualities, Traub documents lots of problems that should raise eyebrows.. Regarding the "widely publicized list," this ISAC website is cited a great deal on the internet.  I think it's fair to say this list is widely publicized.  Regarding abusive and harmful schools, read the criteria that this website's sponors use to judge whether a school or program is harmful and/or abusive.  You can decide for yourself whether the criteria and list are reasonable and fair.  I've taken a good look at this material and believe the sponsors are generally very careful and thorough.  My impression is that the sponsors reviewed lots of material about Hyde and concluded that there's sufficient evidence of problems there for the school to be put on this list.  They seem to limit their list to schools and programs that have had very serious problems.  You may disagree, which is your right, of course.  For me, based on my experience at Hyde, what I've heard from other Hyde families during the past few years, and my review of the material on this website, I'd say the website sponsors reached a fair conclusion.  If you disagree, please challenge their conclusion.  It's fair to debate these issues.

You site Joes letter to orignally claim cult - hood for hyde, then in your most recent post refer to the Traub article.   Also you avoid backing your claim that being on a list on the watchdog site means the operators of the site have labeled the listed as abusive or harmful.  

so back to the my two questions:
 what in the Joe letter ....

where does it state on the site that listing is tantamount to being harmful and abusive?

First, I didn't say anything about Joe Gauld's letter.  That was someone else posting on this site.  Second, as for the watchdog group, I would encourage you to read all of the information ISAC posts on its website that explains how schools and programs end up on their "watch" list of schools and programs that have generated significant complaints.  Of course, you have the right to disagree with their process.  For myself, I'm convinced that along with whatever good that happens at Hyde there has been a history of emotional abuse and negligence.  I've witnessed it myself, as have a number of other people who have posted on this board.


OK so it some one else that won't answer my questions.  I feel better now.
Title: negative publicity about Hyde
Post by: Anonymous on September 19, 2006, 05:52:29 AM
Another organization is posting negative information about the Hyde School.  It's called CAFETY: Community Alliance for the Ethical Treatment of Youth.  I just saw this for the first time: http://cafety.org/index.php?option=com_ ... 1&Itemid=2 (http://cafety.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=section&id=1&Itemid=2)
Title: Parents are warned about Hyde School by watchdog group
Post by: Anonymous on September 19, 2006, 01:17:57 PM
Seems to me that the information on ISAC and CAFETY presents a very one-sided and narrow perspective on Hyde School. Several disgruntled parents and some unfounded accusations of sexual harassment because someone was "creepy" does not make Hyde an abusive and harmful school. This kind of reckless and irresponsible "watchdog" reporting based on such sketchy information contradicts anything that I've seen at Hyde.
Title: Parents are warned about Hyde School by watchdog group
Post by: Anonymous on September 19, 2006, 04:18:54 PM
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Seems to me that the information on ISAC and CAFETY presents a very one-sided and narrow perspective on Hyde School. Several disgruntled parents and some unfounded accusations of sexual harassment because someone was "creepy" does not make Hyde an abusive and harmful school. This kind of reckless and irresponsible "watchdog" reporting based on such sketchy information contradicts anything that I've seen at Hyde.


Really?  Larry settled the sexual misconduct suit and then was forced to resign.   Sounds like it was pretty well founded.

Why do you assume that anyone with negative experiences at Hyde to be "disgruntled"?
Title: Parents are warned about Hyde School by watchdog group
Post by: Anonymous on September 19, 2006, 04:20:46 PM
I'd be disgruntled too if my kid got substandard education and sexually harassed by the staff.
Title: Parents are warned about Hyde School by watchdog group
Post by: Anonymous on September 19, 2006, 06:22:29 PM
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I'd be disgruntled too if my kid got substandard education and sexually harassed by the staff.


Ditto
Title: Parents are warned about Hyde School by watchdog group
Post by: gary eskow on January 21, 2007, 12:22:25 PM
My Hyde report is on the ISAC site, and I don't believe it's one sided or unfair to the school at all.
Title: Parents are warned about Hyde School by watchdog group
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2007, 01:25:11 PM
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My Hyde report is on the ISAC site, and I don't believe it's one sided or unfair to the school at all.


I recently read your report.  I think you've portrayed Hyde quite accurately.  I too have witnessed the kind of emotional abuse and warfare you describe.  I've come to the conclusion that Hyde is one of those places that sounds good in theory but is horribly destructive, and often inept, in practice.  My strong sense is that the current Hyde should be given a decent burial.  Perhaps it could be recreated in a more virtuous form with completely different leadership, staffing, and student screening protocols.   Minor surgery won't do it.
Title: Parents are warned about Hyde School by watchdog group
Post by: Anonymous on February 08, 2007, 08:48:24 PM
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I'd be disgruntled too if my kid got substandard education and sexually harassed by the staff.


Yep I sure got a substandard education, but according to Joe Gauld it is all about attitude vs aptitude.  Problem is Joey, aptitude is how I am going to get into a good college.  The attitude don't mean a whole lot withouth the aptitude.  With approximately $40k a year per student how come you can't pay for good teachers??  Ha, Joey???  How come???  You are supposed to be the man with all the answers!!  I challenge you to respond to this.
Title: Parents are warned about Hyde School by watchdog group
Post by: Ursus on February 09, 2007, 03:52:47 AM
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I'd be disgruntled too if my kid got substandard education and sexually harassed by the staff.

Yep I sure got a substandard education, but according to Joe Gauld it is all about attitude vs aptitude.  Problem is Joey, aptitude is how I am going to get into a good college.  The attitude don't mean a whole lot withouth the aptitude.  With approximately $40k a year per student how come you can't pay for good teachers??  Ha, Joey???  How come???  You are supposed to be the man with all the answers!!  I challenge you to respond to this.


I hear you.  Problem is, good teachers are usually interested in teaching their chosen material, and not interested in being spokespeople for so-called educators in the emotional growth industry.
Title: Parents are warned about Hyde School by watchdog group
Post by: Anonymous on February 09, 2007, 05:36:15 AM
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I'd be disgruntled too if my kid got substandard education and sexually harassed by the staff.

Yep I sure got a substandard education, but according to Joe Gauld it is all about attitude vs aptitude.  Problem is Joey, aptitude is how I am going to get into a good college.  The attitude don't mean a whole lot withouth the aptitude.  With approximately $40k a year per student how come you can't pay for good teachers??  Ha, Joey???  How come???  You are supposed to be the man with all the answers!!  I challenge you to respond to this.


Allow me. Academics runs counter to the choral nature of all the activities at Hyde, whereby the school exercises control over the individual. Academics is just you and the material before you. It affirms you as an autonomous, reasoning, questioning, analyzing, problem-solving, decision-making individual. And that is the last thing Joe wants. Joe has "solved" the academics problem by reshaping the classroom into another group activity, with the strong students mentoring the weak ones, so that the group receives a grade. The result of this bounded learning dynamic is not quality work, but rather the opposite. Hyde has always excelled at producing singing, dancing, basketball-playing puppets --- not thinkers. Forget about academics at Hyde.

Mike
Title: Parents are warned about Hyde School by watchdog group
Post by: Ursus on February 09, 2007, 07:21:00 AM
OOOOOO-K La Ho Maaa, where HIS Wind comes flushing 'way my brain...
 ::drummer::   ::bangin::   ::drummer::
Title: Parents are warned about Hyde School by watchdog group
Post by: Anonymous on February 09, 2007, 08:50:14 AM
now that there is a Hyde School supporter or perhaps leader posting on the site and participating in debate , I would like to ask how do you determine attitude from aptitude?..Kids who study excell...Muhammad Ali  said "the fight is won way before I dance under the lights, in private preparation". At Hyde kids who performed well academically were (i was) singled out as "smart but not trying"...how did they know that i was not trying?? as a child I was a reader, not one who told others how hard I worked, or pretended to work hard for Hydepraise like my peers. What if I was reading the WorldBook encyclopedia as a child while the other more Joelike kids were watching Scooby Doo and telling everyone how hard they worked? Joe hated to give good grades to kids he did not personally identify with, that is why he founded Hyde School.  Perhaps he was a marginal student himself and disgruntled with others who seemed to him to work less yet achieve? His subjective opinion is more important than objective truth, the childs performance and grades,,,for almost all people aptitude IS attitude, harmony is the most important thing in communication, (with out it all is lost) Achievement IS Character and achiement builds character. Please,,,,,, discuss...
Title: Parents are warned about Hyde School by watchdog group
Post by: Ursus on February 09, 2007, 09:22:26 AM
Ah, sorry, I am no leader nor was one at Hyde.  Nor am I a Hyde School supporter.  Perhaps you were being sarcastic and I am too obtuse to pick it up?  My "comment" was perhaps an obscure reference to one of the musicals that Hyde had us participate in during the 1970's, duly paraphrased, and thereby indicating the removal of critical independent thought by way of Joe's wind.  Wind also can be read as flatulence.

"Smart but not trying."  I hear you.

I have also often wondered whether Joe was a marginal student himself.  Certainly his way of reasoning in various formats, e.g, school meetings, lecturing the student body, as well as what little I have read of his published news articles, leaves a lot to be desired.  He makes more informal fallacies (a term from Logic, as a subset of Philosophy) than anything save perhaps last minute speeches in a presedential campaign.  And his so-called proofs, the studies he cites, can be picked apart in a second by any intern at a respectable peer-reviewed journal.  What a joke.  Its all hoopla, and emotional persuasion (read coercion), and yes, egomaniacal flatulence.
Title: Parents are warned about Hyde School by watchdog group
Post by: Anonymous on February 09, 2007, 09:54:46 AM
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now that there is a Hyde School supporter or perhaps leader posting on the site and participating in debate , I would like to ask how do you determine attitude from aptitude?..Kids who study excell...Muhammad Ali  said "the fight is won way before I dance under the lights, in private preparation". At Hyde kids who performed well academically were (i was) singled out as "smart but not trying"...how did they know that i was not trying?? as a child I was a reader, not one who told others how hard I worked, or pretended to work hard for Hydepraise like my peers. What if I was reading the WorldBook encyclopedia as a child while the other more Joelike kids were watching Scooby Doo and telling everyone how hard they worked? Joe hated to give good grades to kids he did not personally identify with, that is why he founded Hyde School.  Perhaps he was a marginal student himself and disgruntled with others who seemed to him to work less yet achieve? His subjective opinion is more important than objective truth, the childs performance and grades,,,for almost all people aptitude IS attitude, harmony is the most important thing in communication, (with out it all is lost) Achievement IS Character and achiement builds character. Please,,,,,, discuss...


  I like to give the devil his due.  Joe was/is correct that it takes more to be successful in life that scholastic achievement.

 As a natural introvert I think it is good to learn how to work outside your comfort zone. I do.  It is good to be aware of how you feel and to be aware of the emotional needs of the others that are around you. IT is good to have a sense of you place in the order of the universe. You need an emotional/physical/intellectual/spiritual balance.

Academics at Hyde were extraordinarily weak when I was there.  Class taught by athletic coaches were a joke with the notable exception of Legg's class.  I actually developed a love of mathematics at hyde as a result of having a lazy coach as an instructor.  I ended up teaching the class because he was too lazy to wake up on time in the morning. Explaining my high school record to gain admission to an engineering college was a trip.

 Spirituality at Hyde?  Please some one fill in the punch line to this joke.

Physical:  Hard not to be in good shape when you are there.  How many Hyde graduates engage in life long fitness?  I love to see hyde coaches that look like they live on twinkies and beer.  Love to go to those alum events and see the guys that used to wrestle 127 look like they need special springs on their SUVs

Emotional:  Spilling your guts and having a good cry is not good emotional health any more then pigging out on junk food then barfing is good nutrition.

So to some up: Joe is correct but Hyde does not deliever.
Title: Parents are warned about Hyde School by watchdog group
Post by: Anonymous on February 09, 2007, 10:14:29 AM
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now that there is a Hyde School supporter or perhaps leader posting on the site and participating in debate , I would like to ask how do you determine attitude from aptitude?..Kids who study excell...Muhammad Ali  said "the fight is won way before I dance under the lights, in private preparation". At Hyde kids who performed well academically were (i was) singled out as "smart but not trying"...how did they know that i was not trying?? as a child I was a reader, not one who told others how hard I worked, or pretended to work hard for Hydepraise like my peers. What if I was reading the WorldBook encyclopedia as a child while the other more Joelike kids were watching Scooby Doo and telling everyone how hard they worked? Joe hated to give good grades to kids he did not personally identify with, that is why he founded Hyde School.  Perhaps he was a marginal student himself and disgruntled with others who seemed to him to work less yet achieve? His subjective opinion is more important than objective truth, the childs performance and grades,,,for almost all people aptitude IS attitude, harmony is the most important thing in communication, (with out it all is lost) Achievement IS Character and achiement builds character. Please,,,,,, discuss...

  I like to give the devil his due.  Joe was/is correct that it takes more to be successful in life that scholastic achievement.

 As a natural introvert I think it is good to learn how to work outside your comfort zone. I do.  It is good to be aware of how you feel and to be aware of the emotional needs of the others that are around you. IT is good to have a sense of you place in the order of the universe. You need an emotional/physical/intellectual/spiritual balance.

Academics at Hyde were extraordinarily weak when I was there.  Class taught by athletic coaches were a joke with the notable exception of Legg's class.  I actually developed a love of mathematics at hyde as a result of having a lazy coach as an instructor.  I ended up teaching the class because he was too lazy to wake up on time in the morning. Explaining my high school record to gain admission to an engineering college was a trip.

 Spirituality at Hyde?  Please some one fill in the punch line to this joke.

Physical:  Hard not to be in good shape when you are there.  How many Hyde graduates engage in life long fitness?  I love to see hyde coaches that look like they live on twinkies and beer.  Love to go to those alum events and see the guys that used to wrestle 127 look like they need special springs on their SUVs

Emotional:  Spilling your guts and having a good cry is not good emotional health any more then pigging out on junk food then barfing is good nutrition.

So to some up: Joe is correct but Hyde does not deliever.


Good insight, only I am not as kind as you.  I think of all the times that I was in other people's faces and feel ashamed and sorry.  I hated Hyde so much and feel horrible about what I participated in.  Yes there were some good lessons I learned at Hyde, but I certainly don't use them in the way Hyde tried to teach them.  It does not work in the real world.

As far as the twinkies, I laughed my ass off about that.  Like you I notice that as the school progresses, so do the stomachs of the staff, especially the women! I think they are eating more than twinkies!!  For a school that tries to keep the students in shape, they ought to look in the mirror.  Not a good example at all.

Hey, does anyone know if there is still a teacher at Woodstock campus name Kevin?  He is gay and a really nice guy.  Does Terry Walsh still hit the bottle and is Dubinsky still gropping the girls? I assume that Bertchy is still the "heavy weight" at the school?
Title: Parents are warned about Hyde School by watchdog group
Post by: Ursus on February 09, 2007, 11:06:20 AM
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...it takes more to be successful in life that scholastic achievement.
 If this is the sum take-home for tens of thousands of dollars per year, I'll take my chances gleaning wisdom from a comic book.

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Spirituality at Hyde?
 Read "The Making of a Messiah."  Cult, cult, cult.

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Hard not to be in good shape when you are there.
 Especially with all those extra "bad attitude" laps.
Title: Parents are warned about Hyde School by watchdog group
Post by: Anonymous on February 09, 2007, 11:14:26 AM
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now that there is a Hyde School supporter or perhaps leader posting on the site and participating in debate , I would like to ask how do you determine attitude from aptitude?..Kids who study excell...Muhammad Ali  said "the fight is won way before I dance under the lights, in private preparation". At Hyde kids who performed well academically were (i was) singled out as "smart but not trying"...how did they know that i was not trying?? as a child I was a reader, not one who told others how hard I worked, or pretended to work hard for Hydepraise like my peers. What if I was reading the WorldBook encyclopedia as a child while the other more Joelike kids were watching Scooby Doo and telling everyone how hard they worked? Joe hated to give good grades to kids he did not personally identify with, that is why he founded Hyde School.  Perhaps he was a marginal student himself and disgruntled with others who seemed to him to work less yet achieve? His subjective opinion is more important than objective truth, the childs performance and grades,,,for almost all people aptitude IS attitude, harmony is the most important thing in communication, (with out it all is lost) Achievement IS Character and achiement builds character. Please,,,,,, discuss...

  I like to give the devil his due.  Joe was/is correct that it takes more to be successful in life that scholastic achievement.

 As a natural introvert I think it is good to learn how to work outside your comfort zone. I do.  It is good to be aware of how you feel and to be aware of the emotional needs of the others that are around you. IT is good to have a sense of you place in the order of the universe. You need an emotional/physical/intellectual/spiritual balance.

Academics at Hyde were extraordinarily weak when I was there.  Class taught by athletic coaches were a joke with the notable exception of Legg's class.  I actually developed a love of mathematics at hyde as a result of having a lazy coach as an instructor.  I ended up teaching the class because he was too lazy to wake up on time in the morning. Explaining my high school record to gain admission to an engineering college was a trip.

 Spirituality at Hyde?  Please some one fill in the punch line to this joke.

Physical:  Hard not to be in good shape when you are there.  How many Hyde graduates engage in life long fitness?  I love to see hyde coaches that look like they live on twinkies and beer.  Love to go to those alum events and see the guys that used to wrestle 127 look like they need special springs on their SUVs

Emotional:  Spilling your guts and having a good cry is not good emotional health any more then pigging out on junk food then barfing is good nutrition.

So to some up: Joe is correct but Hyde does not deliever.

Good insight, only I am not as kind as you.  I think of all the times that I was in other people's faces and feel ashamed and sorry.  I hated Hyde so much and feel horrible about what I participated in.  Yes there were some good lessons I learned at Hyde, but I certainly don't use them in the way Hyde tried to teach them.  It does not work in the real world.

As far as the twinkies, I laughed my ass off about that.  Like you I notice that as the school progresses, so do the stomachs of the staff, especially the women! I think they are eating more than twinkies!!  For a school that tries to keep the students in shape, they ought to look in the mirror.  Not a good example at all.

Hey, does anyone know if there is still a teacher at Woodstock campus name Kevin?  He is gay and a really nice guy.  Does Terry Walsh still hit the bottle and is Dubinsky still gropping the girls? I assume that Bertchy is still the "heavy weight" at the school?


  Mal, Laurie and their respective spouses are in pretty good shape. But the others you mention .... do as I say not as I do.  Your body is a Temple, some folks are polytheistic and want to make room for lots of gods.
Title: Parents are warned about Hyde School by watchdog group
Post by: Anonymous on February 09, 2007, 11:17:35 AM
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now that there is a Hyde School supporter or perhaps leader posting on the site and participating in debate , I would like to ask how do you determine attitude from aptitude?..Kids who study excell...Muhammad Ali  said "the fight is won way before I dance under the lights, in private preparation". At Hyde kids who performed well academically were (i was) singled out as "smart but not trying"...how did they know that i was not trying?? as a child I was a reader, not one who told others how hard I worked, or pretended to work hard for Hydepraise like my peers. What if I was reading the WorldBook encyclopedia as a child while the other more Joelike kids were watching Scooby Doo and telling everyone how hard they worked? Joe hated to give good grades to kids he did not personally identify with, that is why he founded Hyde School.  Perhaps he was a marginal student himself and disgruntled with others who seemed to him to work less yet achieve? His subjective opinion is more important than objective truth, the childs performance and grades,,,for almost all people aptitude IS attitude, harmony is the most important thing in communication, (with out it all is lost) Achievement IS Character and achiement builds character. Please,,,,,, discuss...

  I like to give the devil his due.  Joe was/is correct that it takes more to be successful in life that scholastic achievement.

 As a natural introvert I think it is good to learn how to work outside your comfort zone. I do.  It is good to be aware of how you feel and to be aware of the emotional needs of the others that are around you. IT is good to have a sense of you place in the order of the universe. You need an emotional/physical/intellectual/spiritual balance.

Academics at Hyde were extraordinarily weak when I was there.  Class taught by athletic coaches were a joke with the notable exception of Legg's class.  I actually developed a love of mathematics at hyde as a result of having a lazy coach as an instructor.  I ended up teaching the class because he was too lazy to wake up on time in the morning. Explaining my high school record to gain admission to an engineering college was a trip.

 Spirituality at Hyde?  Please some one fill in the punch line to this joke.

Physical:  Hard not to be in good shape when you are there.  How many Hyde graduates engage in life long fitness?  I love to see hyde coaches that look like they live on twinkies and beer.  Love to go to those alum events and see the guys that used to wrestle 127 look like they need special springs on their SUVs

Emotional:  Spilling your guts and having a good cry is not good emotional health any more then pigging out on junk food then barfing is good nutrition.

So to some up: Joe is correct but Hyde does not deliever.

Good insight, only I am not as kind as you.  I think of all the times that I was in other people's faces and feel ashamed and sorry.  I hated Hyde so much and feel horrible about what I participated in.  Yes there were some good lessons I learned at Hyde, but I certainly don't use them in the way Hyde tried to teach them.  It does not work in the real world.

As far as the twinkies, I laughed my ass off about that.  Like you I notice that as the school progresses, so do the stomachs of the staff, especially the women! I think they are eating more than twinkies!!  For a school that tries to keep the students in shape, they ought to look in the mirror.  Not a good example at all.

Hey, does anyone know if there is still a teacher at Woodstock campus name Kevin?  He is gay and a really nice guy.  Does Terry Walsh still hit the bottle and is Dubinsky still gropping the girls? I assume that Bertchy is still the "heavy weight" at the school?


  Mal, Laurie and their respective spouses are in pretty good shape. But the others you mention .... do as I say not as I do.
Title: Parents are warned about Hyde School by watchdog group
Post by: Anonymous on February 11, 2007, 12:11:54 PM
Seems to me that the information on ISAC and CAFETY presents a very one-sided and narrow perspective on Hyde School. Several disgruntled parents and some unfounded accusations of sexual harassment because someone was "creepy" does not make Hyde an abusive and harmful school. This kind of reckless and irresponsible "watchdog" reporting based on such sketchy information contradicts anything that I've seen at Hyde.


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You seem like a great person to interview.  If you're intereted in participating in the article I'm writing about Hyde, please contact me at: [email protected]

gary eskow
Title: Parents are warned about Hyde School by watchdog group
Post by: Anonymous on February 11, 2007, 06:17:24 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Seems to me that the information on ISAC and CAFETY presents a very one-sided and narrow perspective on Hyde School. Several disgruntled parents and some unfounded accusations of sexual harassment because someone was "creepy" does not make Hyde an abusive and harmful school. This kind of reckless and irresponsible "watchdog" reporting based on such sketchy information contradicts anything that I've seen at Hyde.


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You seem like a great person to interview.  If you're intereted in participating in the article I'm writing about Hyde, please contact me at: [email protected]

gary eskow

How does the above poster know that these were "unfounded accusations" or that the watchdog groups reporting is reckless and irresponsible? You say that all of this info "contradicts" what you have seen at Hyde. Well, step up to the plate.  Who are you?  A parent?  A student?  A staff member?  Tell us what you observe at Hyde?  We are very interested in hearing some positives about the school because they seem far and few between.
Title: Parents are warned about Hyde School by watchdog group
Post by: Anonymous on February 11, 2007, 07:10:09 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Seems to me that the information on ISAC and CAFETY presents a very one-sided and narrow perspective on Hyde School. Several disgruntled parents and some unfounded accusations of sexual harassment because someone was "creepy" does not make Hyde an abusive and harmful school. This kind of reckless and irresponsible "watchdog" reporting based on such sketchy information contradicts anything that I've seen at Hyde.


---

You seem like a great person to interview.  If you're intereted in participating in the article I'm writing about Hyde, please contact me at: [email protected]

gary eskow


I would appreciate it if you would be very specific.  Which comments on ISAC and CAFETY seem, as you say, "reckless" and "irresponsible"?  Are you saying all of the comments about Hyde on those sites are unfounded and unsubstantiated?  Are you dismissing all of Mr. Eskow's comments about Hyde on ISAC?  Are you saying that the other parents' comments are without any foundation?
Title: Parents are warned about Hyde School by watchdog group
Post by: Anonymous on February 11, 2007, 07:49:15 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Seems to me that the information on ISAC and CAFETY presents a very one-sided and narrow perspective on Hyde School. Several disgruntled parents and some unfounded accusations of sexual harassment because someone was "creepy" does not make Hyde an abusive and harmful school. This kind of reckless and irresponsible "watchdog" reporting based on such sketchy information contradicts anything that I've seen at Hyde.


---

You seem like a great person to interview.  If you're intereted in participating in the article I'm writing about Hyde, please contact me at: [email protected]

gary eskow


You are certainly free to disagree with the comments people have posted on ISAC.  That's your right.  But, your comments seem VERY reminiscent of the kind if sweeping judgments I encountered so often at Hyde.  You seem to dismiss the posters' comments with one big, broad brush.  That's the sort of thing that really turned me off about Hyde, that is, the tendency to dismiss Hyde's critics instantly and without any careful consideration of their concerns.  

A couple of people have asked you to clarify your comments.  Please add me to the list.  I too would like to know which comments on ISAC, especially, seem "irresponsible"  and "reckless."  As far as I can tell, the ISAC comments are pretty detailed, specific, thoughtful, and reasonable.  I would appreciate a response.
Title: Parents are warned about Hyde School by watchdog group
Post by: Ursus on February 11, 2007, 10:25:28 PM
Face it, folks, this person is probably a troll, i.e., current or former (still loyal) staff.

And if NOT, this blows my mind:
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...unfounded accusations of sexual harassment...
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...reckless and irresponsible "watchdog" reporting based on... sketchy information...


Just how much Kool-Aide having you been drinking, my friend?  Open your eyes!
Title: Parents are warned about Hyde School by watchdog group
Post by: Anonymous on February 12, 2007, 08:08:20 AM
Quote from: ""Ursus""
Face it, folks, this person is probably a troll, i.e., current or former (still loyal) staff.

And if NOT, this blows my mind:
Quote
...unfounded accusations of sexual harassment...
Quote
...reckless and irresponsible "watchdog" reporting based on... sketchy information...

Just how much Kool-Aide having you been drinking, my friend?  Open your eyes!


The "troll"  is a friend of Larry's
Title: Parents are warned about Hyde School by watchdog group
Post by: Anonymous on February 12, 2007, 10:27:31 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Ursus""
Face it, folks, this person is probably a troll, i.e., current or former (still loyal) staff.

And if NOT, this blows my mind:
Quote
...unfounded accusations of sexual harassment...
Quote
...reckless and irresponsible "watchdog" reporting based on... sketchy information...

Just how much Kool-Aide having you been drinking, my friend?  Open your eyes!

The "troll"  is a friend of Larry's


Oh oh. There is troll mole dime-ing on the troll.  Or is it being "brothers keeper?"
Title: Parents are warned about Hyde School by watchdog group
Post by: Anonymous on February 12, 2007, 11:01:08 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Ursus""
Face it, folks, this person is probably a troll, i.e., current or former (still loyal) staff.

And if NOT, this blows my mind:
Quote
...unfounded accusations of sexual harassment...
Quote
...reckless and irresponsible "watchdog" reporting based on... sketchy information...

Just how much Kool-Aide having you been drinking, my friend?  Open your eyes!

The "troll"  is a friend of Larry's


When you say the "troll" is  a friend of Larry's are you talking about Larry Dubinsky?
Title: Parents are warned about Hyde School by watchdog group
Post by: Ursus on February 13, 2007, 12:06:52 AM
That would be my guess.
Title: Parents are warned about Hyde School by watchdog group
Post by: Anonymous on February 13, 2007, 10:40:55 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Guest""
Seems to me that the information on ISAC and CAFETY presents a very one-sided and narrow perspective on Hyde School. Several disgruntled parents and some unfounded accusations of sexual harassment because someone was "creepy" does not make Hyde an abusive and harmful school. This kind of reckless and irresponsible "watchdog" reporting based on such sketchy information contradicts anything that I've seen at Hyde.


---

You seem like a great person to interview.  If you're intereted in participating in the article I'm writing about Hyde, please contact me at: [email protected]

gary eskow

I would appreciate it if you would be very specific.  Which comments on ISAC and CAFETY seem, as you say, "reckless" and "irresponsible"?  Are you saying all of the comments about Hyde on those sites are unfounded and unsubstantiated?  Are you dismissing all of Mr. Eskow's comments about Hyde on ISAC?  Are you saying that the other parents' comments are without any foundation?


Several people have asked the person who accused several former Hyde parents of posting "reckless" and "irresponsible" comments to be more specific and back up his/her claim.  That person has not responded to the request to defend these strong accusations.  I hope that person will act responsibly and explain his/her comments.  This feels much too familiar, like the "hit and run" tactics I experienced at Hyde.
Title: Parents are warned about Hyde School by watchdog group
Post by: Anonymous on June 18, 2007, 07:19:10 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Guest""
Seems to me that the information on ISAC and CAFETY presents a very one-sided and narrow perspective on Hyde School. Several disgruntled parents and some unfounded accusations of sexual harassment because someone was "creepy" does not make Hyde an abusive and harmful school. This kind of reckless and irresponsible "watchdog" reporting based on such sketchy information contradicts anything that I've seen at Hyde.


---

You seem like a great person to interview.  If you're intereted in participating in the article I'm writing about Hyde, please contact me at: [email protected]

gary eskow

I can't help but notice that the person who went after folks who have posted critical comments about Hyde made the accusations about the critics' character and then cut and run.  This person wasn't willing to back up his/her claims, despite requests.  That doesn't seem very responsible.

I would appreciate it if you would be very specific.  Which comments on ISAC and CAFETY seem, as you say, "reckless" and "irresponsible"?  Are you saying all of the comments about Hyde on those sites are unfounded and unsubstantiated?  Are you dismissing all of Mr. Eskow's comments about Hyde on ISAC?  Are you saying that the other parents' comments are without any foundation?

Several people have asked the person who accused several former Hyde parents of posting "reckless" and "irresponsible" comments to be more specific and back up his/her claim.  That person has not responded to the request to defend these strong accusations.  I hope that person will act responsibly and explain his/her comments.  This feels much too familiar, like the "hit and run" tactics I experienced at Hyde.
Title: Parents are warned about Hyde School by watchdog group
Post by: Jesus H Christ on June 18, 2007, 05:00:11 PM
"you're a gutless chameleon"

quote, Jim Searles 1975
Title: Re: Parents are warned about Hyde School by watchdog group
Post by: katfacehead89 on December 09, 2021, 02:53:05 PM
ISAC shut down after they were sued by one of the major TTI group kingpins- Robert Lichfield. Don't know if they were ordered to shut down or if Lichfield paid them a settlement or what. But the Jekyll Side of Hyde is still on the Internet Archive (pre-hacking) version of fornits..

http://web.archive.org/web/20070908104258/http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=23004&sid=a661f6b6496d1777eccc2ff388e65407