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Feed Your Head / Update about Meditation Inlet. (TBS on Jamaica)
« on: July 19, 2007, 06:45:49 PM »
Heh.
Satire, yes. Nice.
Satire, yes. Nice.
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The Troubled Teen Industry / Parent-Friendly Anti-Program Sites?
« on: April 11, 2007, 12:55:31 PM »
Wow. Gold mine. Thanks.
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The Troubled Teen Industry / Parent-Friendly Anti-Program Sites?
« on: April 11, 2007, 07:43:28 AM »
This place definitely warns people about the dangers of sending their kids away, but it's also pretty full of stuff that would turn off a parent to the message--talk about drugs, unfiltered profanity, et cetera. If you've been to a program, you know it's just people detoxing, but if you're a desperate parent, you could just think, "It's a bunch of rebellious kids trying to keep us from straightening them out."
Anyway, I'm wondering if there are some more parent-friendly sites which stress the welfare of kids in programs, to which I could send parents who are considering such things. I've come upon such parents three times (though one was my own mother, wanting to send my sister away), and managed to prevent them from sending their children to "boot camp" residential places. But every time, I had a hard time making them believe that such things actually happened... I had to resort to other tactics. With my mom, I pointed out that my sister would be required to have her vaccinations (my mom doesn't believe in vaccines)... With another parent, I pointed out that something the school taught was something the parent didn't believe... with a third, I just stressed that the parent would lose control of the child, and showed them that the school would be making a lot of decisions without consulting them.
It's not like I could prevent anybody from sending a kid away if they were hell-bent to do it; but I think some trustworthy sites documenting abuse would be useful.
Got links?
Anyway, I'm wondering if there are some more parent-friendly sites which stress the welfare of kids in programs, to which I could send parents who are considering such things. I've come upon such parents three times (though one was my own mother, wanting to send my sister away), and managed to prevent them from sending their children to "boot camp" residential places. But every time, I had a hard time making them believe that such things actually happened... I had to resort to other tactics. With my mom, I pointed out that my sister would be required to have her vaccinations (my mom doesn't believe in vaccines)... With another parent, I pointed out that something the school taught was something the parent didn't believe... with a third, I just stressed that the parent would lose control of the child, and showed them that the school would be making a lot of decisions without consulting them.
It's not like I could prevent anybody from sending a kid away if they were hell-bent to do it; but I think some trustworthy sites documenting abuse would be useful.
Got links?
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The Troubled Teen Industry / "Parents Helping Teens"
« on: April 10, 2007, 08:21:17 PM »
Lovely. I wonder if I could find a way to get her off the forum? She's obviously just there to advertise.
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The Troubled Teen Industry / "Parents Helping Teens"
« on: April 10, 2007, 02:38:24 PM »
Uhh... Yeah, sorry, the above was my post.
If you go to the web site and watch the video, beware; it could be triggery for some of you.
Here's the forum post in which the program was mentioned:
http://www.adhdnews.com/forum/forum_pos ... PN=1&TPN=2
EDIT:
Okay: Here's some more info.
Wellen, the person who posted the above post, has posted fourteen times on the forum. Every single one of her posts advertises the program.
Here is a search of the forum, with all the threads with her posts in it:
http://http://www.adhdnews.com/forum/search.asp?KW=wellen&SM=1&SI=AR&FM=0&OB=1
What to do?
If you go to the web site and watch the video, beware; it could be triggery for some of you.
Here's the forum post in which the program was mentioned:
http://www.adhdnews.com/forum/forum_pos ... PN=1&TPN=2
Quote
My son started stealing and when I asked where things were coming from, he lied about it. Not until he got into a residential treatment program and sent me a confession letter did I know how bad the problem was. He said the first time he got away with stealing he felt invinceable and it was such a rush every time he stole something. Then it would have to be something more valuable, or harder to steal to get the rush. It was truly an addiction for him. Getting away with lying to me about it was also very satisfying to him. He felt very powerful. Scary stuff. I am so thankful for his program. It is doing wonders!! I have links on my website if you are intersted. http://ellen.parentshelpingteens.com
EDIT:
Okay: Here's some more info.
Wellen, the person who posted the above post, has posted fourteen times on the forum. Every single one of her posts advertises the program.
Here is a search of the forum, with all the threads with her posts in it:
http://http://www.adhdnews.com/forum/search.asp?KW=wellen&SM=1&SI=AR&FM=0&OB=1
What to do?
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The Troubled Teen Industry / I Have A Troubled Son. What should I do?
« on: February 21, 2007, 09:12:40 AM »
I wonder if you could move or switch schools? It seems like all these bad influences are at his school; and he could make a new start after coming home from this short-term thing if he weren't immediately exposed to the old temptations. I don't think he'll like it; and it'll cause some trauma--having to make new friends and all that--but it would be much more traumatic to send him away somewhere where he doesn't even have his family.
Kids need their dads... I wouldn't separate a teen from parent unless it were absolutely necessary--and I mean "necessary" on the level of abusive or drug/alcohol-addicted parents.
If you are gonig to send him to a private school, make it a day program--he comes home at night.
Also, the simple suggestions: Spend more time with him, encourage his hobbies, know his friends, show him you love him, don't take teenage sarcasm too seriously. We were all teenagers once, after all; and we all had to find out our own identities and break free from our parents. That's what teenagerhood is about--learning to be independent. He's made a wrong start; but he can still retrace his steps and do it the right way.
Kids need their dads... I wouldn't separate a teen from parent unless it were absolutely necessary--and I mean "necessary" on the level of abusive or drug/alcohol-addicted parents.
If you are gonig to send him to a private school, make it a day program--he comes home at night.
Also, the simple suggestions: Spend more time with him, encourage his hobbies, know his friends, show him you love him, don't take teenage sarcasm too seriously. We were all teenagers once, after all; and we all had to find out our own identities and break free from our parents. That's what teenagerhood is about--learning to be independent. He's made a wrong start; but he can still retrace his steps and do it the right way.
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Web forum hosting / Please Ginger.. Please
« on: February 21, 2007, 09:05:26 AM »
An ignore feature? Don't we have something like that?
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Open Free for All / Ten Best Suicide Methods
« on: February 21, 2007, 09:02:02 AM »
I'm a Christian (closest to the Baptist variety, but without the ban on drinking and dancing, and having discarded all that legalist crap). So I can give you our viewpoint on the suicide thing:
Yes, it's a sin; and yes, it's murder.
As a Christian, you've sworn loyalty to God; so you're taking what doesn't belong to you when you kill yourself.
However, God doesn't turn away any Christian from heaven, no matter what they've done. The only way to keep yourself out of heaven is to reject God and say, "I don't need that salvation crap; I'm good enough on my own". (Which is silly, because God demands perfection and not even Mother Teresa is "good enough on her own".)
So... Kiling yourself won't keep you out of heaven. However, it is a sin.
That means you're going to have to face God, knowing you did something he thinks is wrong. Not that we don't all do stuff that's wrong; but suicide is special... it means you can't ever do anything right again, either.
However, God knows everything; and he knows your state of mind. If you were psychotic or totally depressed and not thinking straight, he'd know that. If you really just wanted help and killed yourself pretty much by accident, he'd know that too.
So... sin, yes, But forgivable, just like any other sin.
Yes, it's a sin; and yes, it's murder.
As a Christian, you've sworn loyalty to God; so you're taking what doesn't belong to you when you kill yourself.
However, God doesn't turn away any Christian from heaven, no matter what they've done. The only way to keep yourself out of heaven is to reject God and say, "I don't need that salvation crap; I'm good enough on my own". (Which is silly, because God demands perfection and not even Mother Teresa is "good enough on her own".)
So... Kiling yourself won't keep you out of heaven. However, it is a sin.
That means you're going to have to face God, knowing you did something he thinks is wrong. Not that we don't all do stuff that's wrong; but suicide is special... it means you can't ever do anything right again, either.
However, God knows everything; and he knows your state of mind. If you were psychotic or totally depressed and not thinking straight, he'd know that. If you really just wanted help and killed yourself pretty much by accident, he'd know that too.
So... sin, yes, But forgivable, just like any other sin.
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The Troubled Teen Industry / How I got some faith in humanity today.
« on: February 21, 2007, 08:56:18 AM »
Yes, Nazi Germany Goering... Hitler's second in command; sentenced to death at the Nuremberg trials; committed suicide before being executed.
Wow, what a black sheep to have in your family tree. I thought I was bad just having a murderer and a horse-thief in mine!
If that mechanic isn't a millionaire in his next life, I'd be surprised. (Which is saying a lot, since I don't believe in reincarnation or karma!)
Wow, what a black sheep to have in your family tree. I thought I was bad just having a murderer and a horse-thief in mine!
If that mechanic isn't a millionaire in his next life, I'd be surprised. (Which is saying a lot, since I don't believe in reincarnation or karma!)
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World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) / Need help with translation (Can not speak the language)
« on: February 21, 2007, 08:52:00 AM »
Is the language called Morovan, or is it something else? I only speak german and english...
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The Troubled Teen Industry / Shocking
« on: February 21, 2007, 08:51:24 AM »
The idea that kids who don't have parents who care about them and spend time with them turn out "troubled"?
Yeah, that's pretty obvious.
Well, kids whose parents smother them turn out that way too, but you know.
Yeah, that's pretty obvious.
Well, kids whose parents smother them turn out that way too, but you know.
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Open Free for All / The pitfalls of being chronologically buffered.
« on: February 20, 2007, 05:53:57 AM »
I think you ought to just be friends with girls in general, so you can learn to understand them better. Chances are you will fall in love with one of your female friends anyway.
In general, girls like guys who treat them with respect and kindness. But that's true for just about anyone liking anyone else. I do know girls aren't as big on physical appearance, unless you don't wash or something.
In general, girls like guys who treat them with respect and kindness. But that's true for just about anyone liking anyone else. I do know girls aren't as big on physical appearance, unless you don't wash or something.
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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Porter County to Drug Test Students This Year (DATIA/DFAF)
« on: February 18, 2007, 09:37:38 AM »
Isn't this intended to be a deterrent that actually reduces total drug use (and thus leads to less incarceration, not more?).
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The Troubled Teen Industry / Szalavitz: Shocks From The System
« on: February 18, 2007, 05:06:49 AM »
They've been using aversives on autistics for ages, and aren't likely to stop even if they close the programs down... Autism causes problems with social skills and communication and that makes us very vulnerable. Auties have been killed... suffocated in restraints, poisoned with drugs, beaten to death... in institutions everywhere. Not to mention the abuse they get from parents and classmates.
Yeah, that happens in "civilized" countries like the USA. Apparently, if you're a cute kid with Down's, or if you use a wheelchair, you're OK; but if you're autistic, you must obviously be planning to murder people and/or be such a burden to your family that it would be kinder to kill you.
Yeah, that happens in "civilized" countries like the USA. Apparently, if you're a cute kid with Down's, or if you use a wheelchair, you're OK; but if you're autistic, you must obviously be planning to murder people and/or be such a burden to your family that it would be kinder to kill you.
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Open Free for All / Ten Best Suicide Methods
« on: February 17, 2007, 11:18:29 PM »Quote
What about the poor innocent semi-truck driver?You are right.
Still, he would probably be less traumatized than a cop who shot someone he thought was a threat, because he'd be passively unable to stop in time, rather than being tricked into making a bad decision, as a cop would be.