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The Troubled Teen Industry / Appeal for calm and reason.
« on: February 16, 2007, 11:33:41 AM »
Later skaters!@

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Comparisons which dont involve death counts
« on: February 16, 2007, 11:06:14 AM »
Quote from: ""Milk Gargling Death Penalty""
See why he's too stupid to be worth talking to, people?


Nope... can't say I do.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Comparisons which dont involve death counts
« on: February 16, 2007, 10:30:55 AM »
At our school a parent could request special progress reports, and the kid would have to carry a daily progress report around with them for a week for the teachers to write notes about how they were doing.

I see what you are saying about it being a shared experience. The reason I took notice of that is because it's still an issue in my family. How can you share an experience when it consists of two completely contradictory stories?

On the other hand, given the choice, of rather being tortured myself, or being the one responsible for the torture of my loved one, I'd take the first option any day. I got off light. Can't imagine what a parent must go through, if they truly had good intentions, after finding out they paid to have their child abused.

I assume that's why my dad put up the roadblock to discussion on this topic.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Comparisons which dont involve death counts
« on: February 16, 2007, 09:42:56 AM »
Quote from: ""TheWho""
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I am assuming you were trying to be funny, but your comparisons do not reflect the reality of programs, sorry to be the one to inform you of that.

No actually I wasnt.  This was our experience at a TBS, you seem to have attended some place different.  This is why I try to tell parents to look around and do their homework before choosing a path for their child.  These schools can run full spectrum.....


You take a lot of ownership over your daughter's experience, my father does the same. That's why I take everything you say with a grain of salt, because my father still to this day sounds exactly like you, too. Obviously, my own experience was a little more graphic than he likes to tell other people. If you listen to his story and mine they sound completely different. If he called my stay at a program 'our experience at a TBS' I would be offended. He has no idea. How can you show someone something they can't even contemplate exists? How can you draw a picture so vivid, in colors they don't know of?

What program specifically were you talking about so we can avoid confusion? I was talking about WWASPS.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Comparisons which dont involve death counts
« on: February 16, 2007, 09:13:45 AM »
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In a PS kids are exposed to violence
In a TBS they are not

Granted school has violence, it doesn't compare to what I personally experienced in a private program. At PS the danger was from rival kids and gangs, not the teachers and the admins of the school.

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In a PS kids are exposed to Drugs
In a TBS they are not

Not true. Even the most restrictive program like I was in, you can get drugs if you really want them. Suck a staff's cock, something like that, it can go a long way to score some meth to smoke out with a staff.

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In a PS kids are ridiculed by teachers and other kids for being different
In a TBS they are not

Oh please man. Ridicule is their therapy of choice in most programs. At least the one's I've been through! If we talked back to teachers in school we'd get detention, not 5 days in an animal cage isolation hole.

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In a PS kids parents can typically only get updates on their child?s development a few times a year
In a TBS parents get weekly updates.

So you weren't asking your kid what they learned in school? I thought all parents did that? Do you not believe your kid? Could you not call the teachers? You can get involved, they will not arrest you for taking interest in your child's schooling Who.

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In a PS kids are given detention (held after school against their will) for breaking the rules.
In a TBS they are not but are given writing assignments instead  or more constructive ways to spend their time.


I never went to detnetion. So they gave me staurday school. Never went to that, so I got in school suspension. Skipped that, so I got out of school suspension.

In the program, I was physically dragged to a small, cold, isolation room for days at a time, given limited meals and water and not allowed to shower or wear more than dirty sweats and tshirt while sleeping on a piss and shit and cum stained floor.

I am assuming you were trying to be funny, but your comparisons do not reflect the reality of programs, sorry to be the one to inform you of that.

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Open Free for All / Post While Drunk Thread
« on: February 16, 2007, 01:13:07 AM »

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Appeal for calm and reason.
« on: February 13, 2007, 10:58:30 PM »
Quote from: ""TS Waygookin""
This one seems wierd, but it happens a lot. Koreans don't have much in the way of body hair so on occasion you look down and they are petting your arm with a look on their face that goes along the line of.. "It's furry like my dog!"

I just happened to get lucky when I took this photo. The girl was paying attention more to my arm than my other hand with the camera.


 :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:

Agree, they look like really cool kids to be teaching. It looks like you guys sure have the states beat on classroom size!

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The Troubled Teen Industry / I Have A Troubled Son. What should I do?
« on: February 07, 2007, 05:28:31 PM »
A lot of kids deal pot and worse in school and get through it without getting caught or any major jail time. A lot of kids get sent to TBS and end up worse off than before they were sent and end up worse than they would have if things played out in their younger years. The chance is pretty much the same in either situation on the end result. So blow on that hand of yours, and hope your next roll of the dice is a lucky one, because you are definitely playing with fire at this point considering sending him away. Ill tell you I was much worse at 15 and grew out of it even though nobody thought I ever would, for what its worth.

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Facility Question and Answers / Re: Two advices
« on: February 07, 2007, 05:21:35 PM »
Quote from: ""Covergaard""

Advice number two: (If the first one does not work)

a) Rent a cabin for a weekend.
b) Write a impact letter.
c) Hire an escort company to take him for a detour before he ends up at the cabin where you have arrived before him. See too that your car is not at the cabin, so he has to stay there.
d) Use the weekend to talk the impact letter over with him



Escort companies should be illegal. Who;s idea is this, or is this just some internet theory being thrown around?  :-?

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Web forum hosting / GINGER, Could I perchance...
« on: February 01, 2007, 11:58:18 PM »
Ive been considering getting a tattoo of the fornits logo... really.. im totally serious.

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Facility Question and Answers / The Carlbrook thread
« on: February 01, 2007, 11:56:31 PM »
Quote from: ""TS Waygookin""
I have to ask, why would anyone want to improve on the model of such a clusterfuck like CEDU? What is the desire to make a bad thing better? I'm sorry but in mind if that program is broke and busted for a reason then good riddance to it. Lets try not to recreate it and improve on it when the core underlying model is still pretty much the same.


Monkey see monkey do! Isn't it obvious yet? Anyone, from kid to director who is exposed to this industry fancies themselves an expert and feels they have enough information to start their own franchise. Afterall, no credentials needed, just an appearance that you are like the rest. It's like showing people a room full of gold, shutting the door and telling them to forget that exists. It's easy money. From referring to running a place, you can do it all with just enough experience to know how it works.

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Theres also a chance we will get hit by a meteor tomorrow and Earth will go back to reset mode and everything alive today will not exist tomorrow. I get tired of the doomsday scenarios being spoon fed to the public on a daily basis. Many Christians believe in the end times prophecy. I guess the new age liberal crowd got bored and wanted their own doomsday scenario, so they can go around scaring people into donating money to their secular humanistic causes like saving the earth and whales. The earth spent the last 100,000 years trying its best to exterminate man. Now we live two or three generations outside the immediate danger of death from wilderness, and now suddenly we are worshiping it.. lol. I bet if you went back in time and brought someone from middle aged europe, they would say all live better than the king. The fact eco fascists, peta, islamic fascists, christian fundies, vegans, israeli settlers, suicide bombers and all these crazy motherfuckers exist shows success as a species is definitely a relative thing. You conquer your greatest enemy, nature, and then a group of your own people want to destroy everything that has been built based on some peudo religious feelings they have. I think disney movies and cartoons and captain planet have a lot to do with this. And the fact that is the sole interaction human beings have with their world around them. They havent experienced an earth who wants nothing more to kill them, and torture them. They know an earth we dominate. And now they want to give that up... I dont get it??? Your ancestors would cry !

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Facility Question and Answers / The Carlbrook thread
« on: January 31, 2007, 01:16:14 PM »
Quote from: ""Charly""
Dr. Phil-   The circumstances you describe would not warrant sending a kid away.  Also, I don't believe there are thousands of parents wanting to find a placement for a struggling teen- I could be wrong, but that seems high.  I didn't look at the other two schools  we considered, so I can't say if I would have found them OK at the end of the day.  Carlbrook seemed to suit what we wanted- at least based on the initial visit and information we got.
I really think every kid's situation is different.  Many will agree to family counseling or good local therapy.  Some need a rehab program for substance abuse (short term).  I am not a psychologist, so I can't say, but I actually have only recommended Carlbrook to a few people-  those who had a pretty mild mannered kid who was in wilderness at the time and the family was looking for a TBS with pretty strong academics.


Im just assuming that number since thousands of kids have passed through one program, wwasps, all by itself.. then if you added all the unregulated TBS and abusive regulated TBS together it would be a lot more places than we care to think. I am just wondering, if a huge group of people like that were looking for placement, what do you tell them. Because that is the reality of the situation right now. Anyways, you forgot to mention the price of the program, and if you dont mind how long is the average stay for a kid?

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Priceless Gems of Wisdom from Charly
« on: January 31, 2007, 01:09:02 PM »
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This may come as a total shock, but there are many other people out there that think DJ, Deborah and their lemmings are blowing it out their ass. I am not Karen or Anne and have never posted on ST, whatever that is.
I happen to know people connected with the industry and know that most of what is posted on this forum is excellent fiction- nothing more.
Keep up the good work, guys. Pat each other on the ass and lie to yourselves and each other.
This forum and the whole site is dying a quiet death.

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I recently talked to two kids who came out of HLA within the last year and both thought it was fine. They didn't like it because of all the restrictions, but they thought the program did a good job with emotional growth. One girl had an eating disorder and went on to a regular boarding school and the other kid got pulled early due to financial reasons and went into the Marines. Neither kid was abused or damaged in any way.
DJ is full of shit. As are you, Milk Gargling Paul, Luke, Nihil


Is this your post Karen? I thought you said you would of never considered HLA and you are defending them online? Kind of makes an 'honest' moderated discussion seem like a waste of time.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Zero tolerance gone nuts.......again.
« on: January 31, 2007, 01:04:10 PM »
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A bill introduced into the Connecticut legislature is more specific. It would require that all parents who are requested by the school to have their child evaluated be first provided with a statement that the government does not recommend any particular checklist, assessment or evaluation for psychiatric or psychological disorders, plus a copy of the Protection of Pupil Rights Amendment (the federal law that requires prior written parental consent before schools can require students to submit to psychological or psychiatric testing or treatment).


Amazing how fast the political machine gets into gear when parents rights are at risk. How about kids rights that are being violated on a daily basis at private programs, dont they deserve a bill for protection?

I think theres a certain level of cognitive dissonance on this topic as far as politics is concerned. Being mistreated and locked in a cage, for at least, tends to shift my views toward the capital Libertarian model for my own beliefs. Which would also mean that the unregulated TBS system is a free market, and the parents are getting exactly what they want without interference.

Hillary Clinton is one of the few politicians who supports kids right to sue their parents, and signing the UN declaration of rights and all that, and she is blasted from the "freedom" and liberty lobby as someone who wants to take away parents rights.

public schools are socialist institutions. They are not about learning, they are all about conditioning. That is clear from the day you walk into junior high school. They want to treat you like an employee not a kid anymore. They want to get you ready to go to work everyday for the rest of your life and take it up the ass without complaint. Truth is you used to be able to just walk off campus from school... now the armed police will drag you back.

what kind of fucker gets a job at a school harassing kids, smelling their hands when they come back from lunch? I dont know but Im glad I am not in that mental reality to see that as a 'good' thing. Same with program staff.. they occupy a parallel universe.

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