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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: psy on February 07, 2007, 10:59:50 PM
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Bring it on traitor
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lets not start another personal insult thread. These things are horseshit!
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lets not start another personal insult thread. These things are horseshit!
I aggree with you both TSW and OZ. but it's better here than where she was doing it:
http://http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=245504#245504
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I espect that PSY chose to voice his opinions away from the "DAD TRYING" thread.
CCM entered the conversation and immediately began posting to this father who was asking for help, about "good programs" and "finding the right program" and how she "belives there are programs out there that help." She even stated that she "got lots of therapy" in the 4 programs she was in---WWASP programs at that?
OZ Girl: we all know the research about programs, and we know that programs do not work.
CCM has stated her own views about how she feels about programs and about the referral business; and her support of Kevin August's referral business through his Anti-WWASP website.
I don't feel that PSY or any of the other posters were out-of-line by warning this father about CCM's views and her possible motives. These posters were trying to persuade this father to NOT SEND HIS SON TO A PROGRAM, afterall.
I also found CCM to disrepectful when she ridiculed PSY about his medications and about his sexuality. I was personally offended by her heartless remark: "I just want to thank baby Jesus for providing Psy with Prozac."
CCM has the right to her own opinions--and she can support programs, and people who refer children to programs: that is her choice.
But, when posters want to voice THEiR OPINION that this young lady is out-of-line when she ridicules another poster because they take medications,, or because of their sexual orientation---then I do not believe that is "horsehit."
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CCM is entitled to her opinions.
She is not entitled to dehumanize children and make them robots. Freedom has to go both ways - those children are entitled to them as well... too bad in a program you get that beat out of you, isn't it.
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Okay, I read several pages of the thread in one shot and I have to say that when things started to distingegrate and get personal, psy asked CCM to take THAT particular issue elsewhere and to stay on topic. Generally everybody did (try to stay on topic of Dad Trying's dilemma) and CCM kept interjecting with more bile. Everyone ignored her; even Dad Trying ignored her, but ended up saying goodbye, probably to avoid causing anymore controversy. When seen as a whole, the stream of posts in one shot, it gave me the impression that CCM succeeded in running Dad Trying off the board. Which is a real shame.
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Why even bother to bring that up? It's practically axiomatic.
You can not RATIONALLY defend programs, but you can get emotional over it.
But oh well, she'd just say what I just said is tautological... :rofl:
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, and people who refer children to programs: that is her choice.
But, when posters want to voice THEiR OPINION that this young lady is out-of-line when she ridicules another poster because they take medications,, or because of their sexual orientation---then I do not believe that is "horsehit."
Sure fair enough. I am not condoning homophobia or childish personal insults but the best way to deal with offensive posters is to just ignore them and refuse to engage. This is all i will add on the matter
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I think attacking psy like that just massively discredited her.
I call troll...
[troll10]
too bad there is no 11...
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Let's hope that Dad Trying got that same impression too.
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stupid slow fornits.. double post
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, and people who refer children to programs: that is her choice.
But, when posters want to voice THEiR OPINION that this young lady is out-of-line when she ridicules another poster because they take medications,, or because of their sexual orientation---then I do not believe that is "horsehit."
Sure fair enough. I am not condoning homophobia or childish personal insults but the best way to deal with offensive posters is to just ignore them and refuse to engage. This is all i will add on the matter
Yes. I tried to ignore her. But she kept coming back... so i thought this thread would work if she worked it. :rofl:
My regrets are twofold:
- I stated she was in the referral business. I do not have first hand evidence of that, so i should have said "it has been alleged that..." I will edit the post if she requests it.
- My satirical responses:
Well gee. Maybe I was mistaken about you and Kevin... oh. I see the light now... It's all clear... It must have been the stinkin thinking! My god. I see now.. it was all a mask i was wearing. Now i have to find the real me.. will you help me CCM Girl?
Yes. we have many issues. I for one, am bisexual... my parents sent me to school for that issue.. I see now that i was just confused. I need to re-evaluate my priorities, and get real. I don't drink... but maybe the program was right when they convinced me i was an alcoholic after 4 months of gentle persuasion... My god. They saved my life! Without them i might have started drinking!
The above responses could have been left out. Oz is right. They could also have been interpreted by the Dad as my actual opinions, and not as satire as they were intended.
I thought she would simply continue as i had requested, moving our little argument to another thread. (Besides. If she is in bed with the enemy, i want to see her raked over the coals for it.) She felt on continuing it in the Dad thread... At that point, when I realized her goal appeared to be to derail the thread and discredit the other posters, I stopped responding to her.
As far as her personal insults. eeh. She doesn't know where to push my buttons (and i'm not about to tell her). Thanks for defending me Joyce, but I built a pretty good tolerance to that exact type of shit in program.
The baby Jesus remark? Maybe it's over my head but i can't figure out what she meant. I could understand how this could offend a lot of people, but i personally just don't "get" it. What the hell does baby Jesus have to do with Prozac?
night. hopefully. let's see if i'm tired enough to sleep now. attempt 4 at falling asleep underway in 5 mins....
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Why even bother to bring that up? It's practically axiomatic.
You can not RATIONALLY defend programs, but you can get emotional over it.
But oh well, she'd just say what I just said is tautological... :rofl:
I'll admit that this humor is a bit over my head.
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The baby Jesus remark? Maybe it's over my head but i can't figure out what she meant. I could understand how this could offend a lot of people, but i personally just don't "get" it. What the hell does baby Jesus have to do with Prozac?
I'm with you on this; that remark was from left-field, or from out of the ballpark entirely. I didn't get it either.
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You are talking about a chick who spent 4.5 years locked up in WWASPS programs from the age of 12-16.5. How could ANYONE go through something like that and end up normal?
Yeah, big surprise, some program kids who spend years locked up with only child abusers as surrugate parents get used to it and it becomes normal. Havent you met program kids that defend their program like CCM before? Fuck ... I've met a few TOO many!
So why do you all take so seriously what she is saying? Read througho her posts and its clear either she is just fucking around for laughs (who hasnt done that here) or she really believes the weird things she says, and if thats true we should pity her not hate on her because if you read the posts and have even a simple understasnding of psychology you can understand what is going on.
So heres a 12 year old girl with a grandpa for a dad, no mother gets dropped off with weridos for five years, then runs the streets fucking whoever until one of them takes her home like a stray dog... she gets on the net and says that some kids need a treatment center and everyone gets all upset?
If we should be upset it should be at wwasps for warping a kid into the messed up adult CCM is now! hate on wwasps. ignore CCM!
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I don't take what she says seriously, although the Dad she was talking to might. Fucking around for laughs is fine and dandy, but not when it has real-life consequences for real people.
I would pity her far less if she was just "fucking around for laughs". If she is serious about the things she says.. yes. i find it sad. Maybe she has lost hope in fighting the industry... given in and said "if you can't beat em..."
Yes, i know what you mean about people who defend their program.. a little too well. I realize who is to blame... but many staff were once program kids. That does not excuse what they do... it explains it, but does not excuse it.
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The progression has been interesting to watch:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=12945 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=12945)
This show is on today.........I'm watching it, and it makes me fucking sick.
Topic: Send My Wild Oversexed Teen To Boot Camp Part 2
Segents yelling at the kids, these kids are scared shitless. Ohhhhh you think they've changed???? Only because the are in fear. Oh my god, I hate this shit! ::puke::
At the end of the show, they said in one year that the Maury Show will check back in to see how these teens are doing. I'd be willing to bet that all of them are right back to where they were before they got sent to boot camp. There is a deeper reason why they are acting out this way. Sending your kids away for a couple days of emotional abuse isn't the answer.
ttp://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=12848 (http://ttp://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=12848)
On 2005-12-02 08:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Its amazing reading these posts. Someone writes in and says they were abused by a program and everyone rallies to support them, no questions asked. But a similar post comes thru with a person who was successful and where the program helped them, everyone is suspicious, name calling, must be a conspiracy, must be a counselor or a program person, I want names and addresses, tell me where you live, what program you attended etc. Why cant people get past their own experiences, pull up a chair and listen to others, it might help."
I'm guessing you don't spend that much time on here ANON? It's very obvious to me, and everybody else that the post was writen by an individual who works for WWASP. I admit that sometimes it's hard for those of us who went to a WWASP school to fathom how somebody could've been helped by that joke of a program........???? I guess it's possible? I don't believe it to be the majority though. You see, I actually was in one of these places. Lucky me, so anyway I know what I am talking about. I am 32 years old, so I have found myself to be the oldest woman on here from one of these programs (not surprising considering all the shit I went through). See, I was in Cross Creek in the very beggining before all these different levels, and group names like Discovery even existed. We were the guinney pigs, while they were still doing there fine tuning.I was close to Bob Lichfield, and unfortunately he during the time of our close relationship picked my brain to come up with the level/points off system. Which was what I had at Heritage School. I know the way this mans brain works. I also got to know Brent Facer very well too. So, you see I know for a fact they are driven purely by money. Have you seen all the pictures, and special investigations done by the media? How can you think that is okay? How the hell does something like that help anybody? Well, I guess it's different strokes, for different folks?!! :roll:
Okay, there are pro's and con's about RTC's VS. Juvi/Jail.
I'm really not sure how to say this without sounding like a snobbie beech, but here it goes.....I think if I had a choice of sending my kid to a knarley RTC, or having him in Juvi, I would definately put him in the RTC. I think you have more rights in Juvi then in some of these RTC's, but the type of kids you are in there with........yikes!!! Most of the kids will come from lower income families, and I don't mean families who live from paycheck to paycheck, I mean families who are in constant transition from shelters to streets, that are mostly on welfare. This is traumatic for kids. Also, I would be afraid that these other kids in Juvi would be picking on my kid because his family had money that theirs did not. It could get ugly, and he could get hurt.
I don't like either of these options personally. If I had a teenager, which I hope to someday............I'd provide them with the type of home that other kids felt comfortable hanging out in. I'd provide them with games/movies/and plenty of snacks from Cosco. I'd give them structure, but I would give them privacy, and space. I'd try not to be judgemental, I'd try to be understanding of what they are going through. It's tough being that age. It really is. I want my kids to like me. I want them to feel comfortable around me. I want them to be able to open up to me.
Oh BTW, I would try my hardest to find the least abusive RTC, which would mean no WWASP facilities! (RTC means Residential Treatment Center!
I don't agree on sending your child abroad for a semester. Not smart. I think whatever facility is chosen for him, needs to be close to home. That's if it needs to happen at all!!!! I think in only extreme cases that it does. A lot of parents overreact, they just need to relax a little, and let teenagers be teenagers. Just go get yourselves a great therapist, and work it out! We can only do so much here, but we always want to be here for those of you parents who are looking for insight on what these programs are actually like, because we have experienced them first hand. Also, there are a lot of you parents out there who had there kids sent to WWASP facilities, or others like them, and can offer insight about your experiences. We don't offer any kind of incentives here, we just do it out of the goodness in our hearts, because WE CARE!!!! :smile:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=13659 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=13659)
I'm totally serious. I really don't care which one of these places we stage it at??? I'm thinking it needs to be one that will get us the most attention. A state that allows us to protest...I'd hate to be arrested.......as much as I love the cuffs......I hate the cells. J/K I have had enough of that! Who would seriously consider doing this? I'm thinking sometime in March......???
I'd love to hear your thoughts! If anything it would be a great party!!!!!! :wink:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=20152 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=20152)
So how much do these programs pay in kickbacks?
Why? Are you interested? Why do you give a shit? Look, it's his time, and his energy that he'll be taking to fly around the country, and tour these facilities, to interview these students, and faculty?!!! He could work a 9 to 5 regular meaningless job and collect a paycheck for doing so. Instead he wants to do something he is passionate about, and if he makes money doing it, and he's making this world a better place, why do you give a rats ass?
I believe he has the best of intentions. He does know what to look for in these places since he was in them, as do I. If he does his research, and truely picks the best of schools that are out there, what's the harm? I don't see any of you doing it? Why is that? Oh that's right, you all work regular jobs, because I want you to pay the bills, and don't have the time to do it, or the knowledge, or experience. When will you get it through your heads? PARENTS WILL SEND THERE KIDS AWAY REGARDLESS. Granted, some kids need it, some kids don't, and hopefully he can knock some sense into those parents whose kids problems can be worked out from home. Do you really think Kev is such a prick he would turn into the devil himself to sell kiddies off to these schools when they don't need it, just to make a buck? Keep in mind all these fuckers who own these schools, or even refer kids to these schools, have never spent one single day in one themselves?
Why wouldn't you trust Kev, or someone like me, that was in these type of places for years? I was in 3 different places for a total of 4 1/2 years, I do believe that counts for something.
BTW- I am not going into business with Kevin! For all of you out there chomping at the bit to start in on me. I am very happy in my current job, which I love because it involves helping people, and I do make a possitive difference in peoples lives, while making a healthy living. But, don't think for a second I haven't thought about the referral business. I have, I will not lie. But, not for the money factor, I like to be very passionate about my work (it makes it a little easier to get your ass outta bed at 4am in the morning). Don't get me wrong, I make a great living at what I do now, and it does involve very long hours. But, switching to this kind of business wouldn't be much of a change from what I already do! If you ran a top of the line referral agency, it involve a lot of long hours, much like my job does now. I wouldn't be sitting by the phone waiting for random schools to get on my approved list. I know this teen industry inside, and out, and I dare you to say any different. Kev has a pretty good idea, and if he does his homework, and does it well, then he's better then most of those referral jack asses out there. IMO.
I can hardly wait to see your responses! I'm sure they'll all be real positive LOL!!!!!
CCM, how about answering the question put to you: NAME the safe schools/facilities out there, OK?
You insist there are safe facilities that you would send "your teen" to. Tell us about these "safe" places.
Like I have said before......2 outta the 4 places I went to were great, and yes I would recommend them. Heritage School in Provo, UT. and Orem Psychiatric Hospital. The hospital was a much shorter stay, but it was meant for evaluation. There were kids that had been there long term, and had severe issues. The kind you would basically see acted out in a movie, or television series.
Heritage was great when I was there, and has continued to get even better. I've talked to several students and gotten caught up on their rules and procedures. Theraputic, but in a more lax enviroment, where you can be you. The kids have the best of everything it seems. The school actually puts their money back into their program to improve it constantly. They hire people who are more qualified, and their selection process is more selective then some of the programs mentioned in here. Of course that costs more money, which in return makes it more expensive then WWASPS programs. But, their profit margin is still relatively low compared to some of the programs mentioned on this board because of their attention to detail, and wanting to provide the best treatment possible.
I also have had many friends and a family member of mine who was outta control prostituting herself for drugs for about 7 years of her life, and got help from a place in Florida. All I know about it is is that it's called Drug Farm (not sure if that is a nick name?). I'm not sure if they except minors, or not? It is state run, so I believe you have to be a resident of Florida. But, it's run like a bootcamp. She had the choice of that, or jail, so she made the choice of going 1 year to this Drug Farm place. For a girl who had been shooting up heroin, smoking crack, and screwing drug dealers unprotected she needed that intervention. She swears it saved her life. I believe it has too. She's been sober for 2 years, and I just visited her last Thanksgiving in Florida, and know she is doing fantastic.
For me to start researching all the programs, and start a refferal agency of my own it would take a lot of time, and energy, and not to mention all the travel involved. So, when you ask me these stupid repetitive questions about naming schools I play it like a numbers game. If 2 outta the 4 places were good then that must mean there are good places out there besides that! If I were so lucky, I'd won the god damned lottery a long time ago. When I do something, I give it my all. I don't like to do things half assed. People who are referring kids to schools they know nothing about, or haven't visited, or talked to the parents or ythe kids, but have just compiled a list of schools maybe the ones at the top possibly being the ones that pay the most in refferal fees? Take a room in their house and add a second phone/fax line and call themselves a referral agency, and their guiding these families???!!! That's really fucking scary!
Why is the answer to shutting down WWASPS sending kids to other programs? Talk about fantasy island. :roll:
Well, if WWASPS is ready to do a major overhaul on their schools, and change the way they are run, I wouldn't mind them staying in business. It's that they continue to stand by their way of doing things, which I personally believe is totally fucked up IMHO.
BTW, Fantasy Island is the dream of Kevin putting fake schools on his sight to have parents sent their children wherever to play video games????? Weeeeee! That sounds really cool :roll:
Niles, any parents at any time could come to me if they needed to know what programs could potentionally do mentally to their kids. As far as you saying " if you WANT to make your kids end up like us, and end up on fornits, sign right the fuck up." Hmmmm.....what's "US" I am thinking I have less and less in common with you all everyday. When will most of the people on this board stop blaming everything bad going on in their lives from past program experiences? I can understand people in their mid 20's still struggling..........but there are people in their 40's that are still like, well if my parents didn't do what they did to me, I'd be a lot different then I am today. Yes, that's true to a point. But, start taking a little responsibility for how your life is turning out.
I have a bit of advice for those of you who continue to whine about it. Get over it! Fuck 'em, and move on. As far as we know, we are only on this earth once. Live life to it's fullest. Stand up for what you believe in, but stop acting like such victims. Really, in the end it doesn't matter who did what to you, and when. It matters what you do afterwards with your life. If you let them scar you for life, you are letting those bastards win. Why give them that, didn't they do enough already?
They're are people in life who are extremely successful, that went through much worse shit then most of us here, and they still came out on top! Because they were fighters. You know why that benifits us? Because when they speak in public on matters related to abuse, and what it did to them, people will listen. When called to a witness stand, to give a statement in court who do you think the jury will believe? A person who is acting all nutty, and going off on tangents, or someone who comes and says look this is my story, this is what it did to me, this is how it affected me for years in my life afterwards, this is how I finally got the strength to move forward, and this is what I do in life now. These are the healthy relationships that I am able to have, this is the company I work for, give any one on this list of 50 people a call to ask them what they think of me. They will all tell you, I am not a liar, or a manipulator, but that I am strong yet sensitive person. Basically, I am a straight shooter. A lot of people on here don't like that because it makes them look at themselves, and maybe they are finally scratching their head going why am I so stuck in the past, and yes it's giving them the power still, and it's been 20+ years later.
For parents out there that feel they were swindled out of thousands, and thousands of dollars. I say go for it, go after them. Bring lots of documentation, and proof. Not only was it your hard earned money, sometimes even your retirement, or maybe your on some fucking 20 year loan program that you feel trapped in, because if you don't pay it, it could fuck up your credit, which in life means everything these days. But, they lied to you. They fooled you.
I'm not going to forget to mention what bad programs do to families. It basically ruins them. Sometimes for 5 years, 10 years, or 15 years for me, or just forever. The family unit is such an important thing, that so many parents forget to realize how fragile it is. The programs that swoop in, and lie to these parents just to get rich will go to hell. And the people who refer them to these places knowing very little about them will be right their with them. It's not fair that while these families lives are fucked, people that work at all these programs/agencies, or own some of these programs, and are making the big money, are sitten pretty taking families on fun vacations, buying the wife new cars, and giving out credit cards with a high limits to everyone in their family to do whatever their heart desires. Yeah, that's fucked. I agree.
But still, I will never say all programs are bad. Never.
Joyce, you are right some kids do ask for help getting into some kind of treatment program. But, most do not. Nothing in life is guaranteed to bo a 100% safe. When we get in our cars the first thing in the morning to go to work, we risk getting into a accident.
For me, I would start dividing schools into catagories (types, and what they specialize in). Then I would grade them on their level of dicipline, and how strict they were. Therapy, and how much was available. The kind of staff they hired, glorified babysitters with little to no training, staff with knowledge and training provided by the school, staff that was trained and also had a 4 year degree in social work.
For me to sit down and do all this would take weeks to even come up with a system I would need to evaluate a school. As I said before I would have a psychologist on staff that would give me their professional opinion where they thought the child was at emotionally. I would take that into consideration, as well as what the parent had to say, and what the child was saying. After that, I would give them a few schools they could check out.
As far as telling people to get over it, and to not be whiners......well, eventually I hope they do get over it. You can only blame others for so long. I do believe that eventually I want you to take some responsibility for where you're at in life. Everyone needs time to heal, but if you keep falling back on the past, and blaming the past you'll never move forward. Most of the world could care less what happened to you 5,10,15,20+ years ago.
CCM girl 1989
For the Guest,
By the way, I have a mare you fool. Those kinds of comments are the ones that unfortunately make the rest of you look so bad. And no, parents aren't going to take the time to sift through all this to get information when you say stuff like that. Get a hold of your sick fantasies!
Child torture, absolutely not! Wake up calls perhaps?
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=20614 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=20614)
Dad Trying,
Get out while you can, LOL!!! Some of the posters here are able to give helpful advice, and that's great. But, some of them come on here to just argue till the cows come home. They love it!
Take a lot of what they have to say with a grain of salt. I try to not let them get under my skin. That's what they enjoy most. Sick, I know! But, hey that's just who they are! They can't help it, they still have a bunch of issues they have not dealt with.
Just feel sorry for them. I know I do.
I just want to take this time to thank baby Jesus for providing Psy with Prozac. That's all, thank you again baby Jesus!!!!!
Okay, and you being bi and confused, and almost being convinced you were an alcoholic had anything to do with Dad's son?
Where the hell did that come from?!! Geez, if you're going to make rules and tell people what to do. Start off by obeying them yourself buddy!
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Hey now, good job pulling her file!
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That's why CCM is referred to as a potty-mouth, self-centered bitch.
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Makes me wonder if CCM Girl is perhaps a Courtney Love fan.
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Don't understand the baby Jesus and Prozac thing, either. I've been reading the Apocrypha, and the adolescent Jesus would have been shipped off to Tranquility Bay with a quickness. He had a bad habit of killing his peers with a look if they even slightly took the piss out of him, hence the need to flee occasionally when the local parents were in an uproar over Teen Jesus whacking out their kids. Jesus needed therapy. He made one kid's weenus wither up.
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god. i just read that shit. so narcissistic. Just "get over it"... right. and leave everybody else i knew behind... Forget it is happening right now.... selfish bitch
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Ya know, I think she really likes to hear herself talk. And she likes to describe herself, think about herself, a very great deal... When you put it like that, this is a picture of a very needy person. There is definitely something that she hasn't quite gotten over, that's for sure.
I pity her; I probably would feel REALLY sorry for her, 'cept that she is so affronting and unpleasant.
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That's the craziest 180 I've ever seen in my life. Normally survivors go from "It was great --> it sucked". Not the other way around. It's like reverse-evolution or something. Oh wait... regression! How could I forget that word? :roll:
It makes me wonder how sincere she was originally, when she was allegedly critiquing the programs.
I dunno, but I find it ironic for her of all people to be talking about pulling yourself together.
I also think it's funny that she seems to think that 32 makes her the oldest person on the boards. :D
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i think all the posters on fornits should meet up at a hotel and we can hav ea convention. let it be three days.. we will rent a hall. we can sit in a circle in chairs and go around and do some activities that the leader has planned out for us... fornits posters, im calling you out.. its time to resolve everything until we are a unity of one conciousness with no disagreeements. its the only way.
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I just saw the oddest thing...
I was on my way to the store, and there was Jesus on the corner, selling prozac.
So THAT'S the connection.
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Besides a square would be so much cooler. A square with a 10 foot water bong in the middle.
i like that... im starting to get this togehter hopefully we can do this before summer.
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Holy crap, you worked on 12 oz. Mouse?
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I should be the 3 legged redhead swinging a paddle at CCM.
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I should be the 3 legged redhead swinging a paddle at CCM.
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I don't think you were invited Niles, I don't see you on there. Unless you're the "leader" or "you".
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you dont see niles because hes been bad and not getting with the program... he needs to think about it for a while in the iso box down the road..
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That's the craziest 180 I've ever seen in my life. Normally survivors go from "It was great --> it sucked". Not the other way around. It's like reverse-evolution or something. Oh wait... regression! How could I forget that word? :roll:
It makes me wonder how sincere she was originally, when she was allegedly critiquing the programs.
I dunno, but I find it ironic for her of all people to be talking about pulling yourself together.
I also think it's funny that she seems to think that 32 makes her the oldest person on the boards. :D
It's not such a crazy 180 when you think about it this way: CCM is needy, needy, needy, and amorally so. When she got out, she looked to the community of survivors for solace and a sense of belonging. As time went on, things changed. She has a job, she works in the world and is, I am assuming, surrounded by people who are mostly NOT survivors. From her pov, those people are more successful, and she would rather be identified with them and hence she had switched her choice of community.
I don't and never did know CCM, and I may be totally off base here. But, from an "outsider's" viewpont it really looks to me like CCM's sense of self-identity is pretty shattered. We're talking core damage here. She talks a good game, acts like she is some authority speaking on behalf of fornits, but really, there is no connection between her avowed passions and the seat of her soul. None. Pity her.
32 is old? Lol. Maybe I should change my username to "crone."
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You guys sure have a lot of time on your hands!!!! That's awesome. Anyway, the baby Jesus comment came from the movie Talladega Nights, with Will Ferrell. It's a comedy, not a tragedy, so maybe you guys have not taken the time to view it?
I didn't attack Psys sexuality, I attacked him because he was sharing a whole lot of personal information. Something I get reamed for all the time here. Psy being bi? That's nothing new for me. I could care less. I just wasn't sure what it had to do with what we were talking about?
As far as coming up with a file on me........that's fine. I really have nothing to hide. God, you really have a lot of time on your hands though! Surely, there has to be something more productive you could be doing?
I see the progression you are talking about. From when I started a year and a half ago until now. I'm not ashamed of that. Change is normal, and healthy. Staying bitter, and hurling insults at me shows the majority of society if they were to come here to read all these posts, that it's most of you that have the problems that maybe you need to deal with.
I'm not going anywhere, I will think for myself always. No matter how nasty you get, it really doesn't leave me lying awake at night. So, with that being said..........hopefully I will have the last word on this thread.
Starting a thread on me for the second time is a complete waste of your time. Not mine, because I will defend myself when I have the time. But please guys, go back to what you do so well!!!!
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I see the progression you are talking about. From when I started a year and a half ago until now. I'm not ashamed of that. Change is normal, and healthy.
Regression back into your programmed mode is not healthy and normal.
I will think for myself always.
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But please guys, go back to what you do so well!!!!
Speak out against abusive programs and the people who refer kids to them? Nobody here ever stopped, only you did!!!! Out of the kindness of our hearts, remember?!
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I'm not going anywhere, I will think for myself always.
Have you no shame? Compassion?
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Not only is perpetually flaming CCM girl meanspirited and cruel, it's not even a good idea.
I think more or less everyone dislikes her decisions but the only this we are doing here is giving the struggingteens crowd a stick to beat us with.
Remember this isn't a program. She can make her own decisions. Let's try to keep it constructive if we disagree.
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I think more or less everyone dislikes her decisions but the only this we are doing here is giving the struggingteens crowd a stick to beat us with.
You mean that forum that gets 1 post per week? :rofl:
MA, if this forum is so bad why do they all come over here to post? :wink:
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I didn't attack Psys sexuality, I attacked him because he was sharing a whole lot of personal information. Something I get reamed for all the time here. Psy being bi? That's nothing new for me. I could care less. I just wasn't sure what it had to do with what we were talking about?
What? You don't get satire?
Yes. we have many issues. I for one, am bisexual... my parents sent me to school for that issue.. I see now that i was just confused. I need to re-evaluate my priorities, and get real. I don't drink... but maybe the program was right when they convinced me i was an alcoholic after 4 months of gentle persuasion... My god. They saved my life! Without them i might have started drinking!
I was responding to your statement that we all have "issues" we need to work out. So. I reponded with an "issue" considered legitimate by one of those precious schools of yours.
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Not only is perpetually flaming CCM girl meanspirited and cruel, it's not even a good idea.
I think more or less everyone dislikes her decisions but the only this we are doing here is giving the struggingteens crowd a stick to beat us with.
Remember this isn't a program. She can make her own decisions. Let's try to keep it constructive if we disagree.
I agree for the most part... but i would rather contain the nastiness than have it spread all over Fornits. That's why i started this thread.
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I think more or less everyone dislikes her decisions but the only this we are doing here is giving the struggingteens crowd a stick to beat us with.
You mean that forum that gets 1 post per week? :rofl:
MA, if this forum is so bad why do they all come over here to post? :wink:
Really. Come on MA, you're not going to make Fornits a more friendly place by asking for it. Don't you have more important things to do?
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That's the craziest 180 I've ever seen in my life. Normally survivors go from "It was great --> it sucked". Not the other way around. It's like reverse-evolution or something. Oh wait... regression! How could I forget that word? :roll:
It makes me wonder how sincere she was originally, when she was allegedly critiquing the programs.
I dunno, but I find it ironic for her of all people to be talking about pulling yourself together.
I also think it's funny that she seems to think that 32 makes her the oldest person on the boards. :D
It's not such a crazy 180 when you think about it this way: CCM is needy, needy, needy, and amorally so. When she got out, she looked to the community of survivors for solace and a sense of belonging. As time went on, things changed. She has a job, she works in the world and is, I am assuming, surrounded by people who are mostly NOT survivors. From her pov, those people are more successful, and she would rather be identified with them and hence she had switched her choice of community.
I don't and never did know CCM, and I may be totally off base here. But, from an "outsider's" viewpont it really looks to me like CCM's sense of self-identity is pretty shattered. We're talking core damage here. She talks a good game, acts like she is some authority speaking on behalf of fornits, but really, there is no connection between her avowed passions and the seat of her soul. None. Pity her.
32 is old? Lol. Maybe I should change my username to "crone."
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I couldn't give a tinkers toot what they think over on struggling retards. The fact that they even think anything at all in that collective of drooling morons makes me believe miracles really do happen.
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was shw reakky havubg sex wuth people whod adopt" her?
so sad...and really the life of so many program girls after program. What percent... 1 quater?
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Once again, Psy has done a great thing starting this thread on me LOL. If nothing else but to take out his crappy day/life out on me! Cool buddy! I appreciate that. BTW.......TSW, MGDP, and several others do appreciate it too! But, don't think I'm calling this home sweet home!
So guys, what did you expect me to do? Stay upset, and angry like you have? Sorry to disappoint you. I do believe there is good treatment facilities out there. If there was evidence of abuse on a child, or teenager I would go out of my way to do something about it. Just as I have with animals. I report abuse, I take time out of my day, a lot of people don't, or think I should mind my own business, and I never do.
Having this thread is fine by me. I understand that you don't want negativity spread to the other threads.....and neither do I, but I find that really hypocritical!!!! The majority of you hurl insults, and say disgusting stuff about me that's not true. I find that really immature to say the least.
I will continue to post wherever I want, whenever I want, and say whatever I want. The second you attack me in another thread or forum, the gloves are off. I am not going to come over here to say anything. I will come back at you right there, I don't care who it is, Guest/ANON or what. Then you will be once again taking the attention off of a subject that is really far more important then how we feel about one another.
Let me have my say, and have my own opinion, without you attacking me. Then everything will be all good, right? God, you guys sometimes behave so childishly. The fact I have to even teach a bunch of people who should be old enough, and know better, on how to treat one another, and how to respect somebody elses opinion, even if it's not theirs, is crazy!!!!!!
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Once again, Psy has done a great thing starting this thread on me LOL. If nothing else but to take out his crappy day/life out on me! Cool buddy! I appreciate that. BTW.......TSW, MGDP, and several others do appreciate it too! But, don't think I'm calling this home sweet home!
So guys, what did you expect me to do? Stay upset, and angry like you have? Sorry to disappoint you. I do believe there is good treatment facilities out there. If there was evidence of abuse on a child, or teenager I would go out of my way to do something about it. Just as I have with animals. I report abuse, I take time out of my day, a lot of people don't, or think I should mind my own business, and I never do.
Having this thread is fine by me. I understand that you don't want negativity spread to the other threads.....and neither do I, but I find that really hypocritical!!!! The majority of you hurl insults, and say disgusting stuff about me that's not true. I find that really immature to say the least.
I will continue to post wherever I want, whenever I want, and say whatever I want. The second you attack me in another thread or forum, the gloves are off. I am not going to come over here to say anything. I will come back at you right there, I don't care who it is, Guest/ANON or what. Then you will be once again taking the attention off of a subject that is really far more important then how we feel about one another.
Let me have my say, and have my own opinion, without you attacking me. Then everything will be all good, right? God, you guys sometimes behave so childishly. The fact I have to even teach a bunch of people who should be old enough, and know better, on how to treat one another, and how to respect somebody elses opinion, even if it's not theirs, is crazy!!!!!!
I feel ashamed of myself... :oops:
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I merely stated that we should all be able to state our own opinions on different subjects here at Fornits. I think spreading false rumors about me, creating disgusting stories, and calling me names just makes you all look bad, not me!
I sit back, and I see what you do to parents who come on here looking for help. They end up hightailing it out of here within a few days. Then because you don't want to take responsibility, you call them trolls. Granted some of them may be just that. But, there is a lot of them who aren't.
Dad Trying I believe was not a troll. I could not believe some of the advice you guys were giving him. The only people I would personally listen to would be DJ, MA, Coverguard, Deborah, Julie, The Who, and that's about it. All the rest of you I think give really bad advice, and are hurting the cause.
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I merely stated that we should all be able to state our own opinions on different subjects here at Fornits.
You are stating the obvious.
hurting the cause.
A lot of people think that about you.
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What cause exactly do you mean. The last time I checked you seemed pretty ok with sending kids off to programs against their free will.
Personally I am not here to be bothered with the parents. I don't care what they think. Dad Trying is a child abuser who should be in prison, not getting crappy advice on fornits.
I'm here to help kids.
So again what cause are you fighting?
And what am I supposed to appreciate?
And do you think its ok for kids to be sent away for treatment against their free will?
The last time I checked kids who are under 18 don't have any rights when it comes to being sent away by their parents? Please let me know if that has changed? LOL
With that being said, maybe you should care about what parents think? Especially when it comes to the way you behave, and act on here.
I am sometimes okay with kids getting sent away against their own free will because kids more then likely aren't going to elect to go someplace where there are rules, and can't just do what they want. Kids sometimes don't realize they need help.
You're not helping kids by telling their parents off.
Dad Trying is a child abuser???? Sounds like his kid is a parents abuser!!!!!! He's hitting the Dad in the face over and over??? You think this is okay? Great! And the Dad doesn't do anything back? Oh, what the hell? Who cares, as long as a finger isn't laid on this teenage son of his!!!!
By acting the way you do, you are not helping the kids period.
The cause I am fighting????? I want teens to be able to get the help they need in safe enviroments. There is such a thing. You know it, I know it, these places do exist. We differ in our opinions. If kids are out of control hurting others you act like it's just peachy keen! Oh just let them be free to continue to do that. To potentially hurt people who have nothing to do with them. Innocent people who could be effected by these teens actions. Well, lets just hope it is you who is struck by this teens car when they are drunk or high on drugs. Because I am sure when you are rolling around in that wheelchair of yours, you'll be thinking....oh it wasn't the kids fault. It's okay my whole life has been affected by this kids choices. It's okay I'll never get to walk again, make love to another human being, or to do much of anything.
So, anyway...........I'm really glad you are so understanding. Because, I would not be whatsover. I'd be pretty upset that this teen who was known to have all these problems was left to roam free, and his actions affected my whole life, and my families. I'd be suing those parents in a heartbeat. Who else would be taking care of me? The state, my husband, my children? Great, they get this burden placed in their lap?!!
Nobody should take advice from you. Because your advice for the most part, is complete shit.
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Innocent people who could be effected by these teens actions. Well, lets just hope it is you who is struck by this teens car when they are drunk or high on drugs. Because I am sure when you are rolling around in that wheelchair of yours, you'll be thinking....oh it wasn't the kids fault. It's okay my whole life has been affected by this kids choices. It's okay I'll never get to walk again, make love to another human being, or to do much of anything.
:rofl: :wave: :silly: :nworthy: ::birthday:: ::deal:: ::kiss:: ::hatter:: ::bwahaha:: ::bigmouth:: :tup: ::bangin:: ::poke::
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The last time I checked kids who are under 18 don't have any rights when it comes to being sent away by their parents? Please let me know if that has changed? LOL
With that being said, maybe you should care about what parents think? Especially when it comes to the way you behave, and act on here.
I am sometimes okay with kids getting sent away against their own free will because kids more then likely aren't going to elect to go someplace where there are rules, and can't just do what they want. Kids sometimes don't realize they need help.
You're not helping kids by telling their parents off.
Dad Trying is a child abuser???? Sounds like his kid is a parents abuser!!!!!! He's hitting the Dad in the face over and over??? You think this is okay? Great! And the Dad doesn't do anything back? Oh, what the hell? Who cares, as long as a finger isn't laid on this teenage son of his!!!!
By acting the way you do, you are not helping the kids period.
The cause I am fighting????? I want teens to be able to get the help they need in safe enviroments. There is such a thing. You know it, I know it, these places do exist. We differ in our opinions. If kids are out of control hurting others you act like it's just peachy keen! Oh just let them be free to continue to do that. To potentially hurt people who have nothing to do with them. Innocent people who could be effected by these teens actions. Well, lets just hope it is you who is struck by this teens car when they are drunk or high on drugs. Because I am sure when you are rolling around in that wheelchair of yours, you'll be thinking....oh it wasn't the kids fault. It's okay my whole life has been affected by this kids choices. It's okay I'll never get to walk again, make love to another human being, or to do much of anything.
So, anyway...........I'm really glad you are so understanding. Because, I would not be whatsover. I'd be pretty upset that this teen who was known to have all these problems was left to roam free, and his actions affected my whole life, and my families. I'd be suing those parents in a heartbeat. Who else would be taking care of me? The state, my husband, my children? Great, they get this burden placed in their lap?!!
Nobody should take advice from you. Because your advice for the most part, is complete shit.
CCM, do you have any children?
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The difference between an adult being under the influence and a minor causing an accident is the adults sentence is much harsher. Minors barely get any time, and most the time are given a clean slate at the age of 18.
My kids would know if they were to hit me, which hopefully the never would, they just might get hit back. I'm not talking a little child here. I am talking in terms of a teenager.
If anyone on this planet were to hit me, they just might get hit back. I wouldn't go after anybody, but I would defend myself.
Being in the middle is just fine by me. I understand both sides. So what? No, I am not going to either side. Is this like elementary schools to where I have to pick a side? Puhleese! Grow up!!!!!
As far as having data to back what I say up.........if I remember correctly The Who in another thread came up with a ton of stuff, which probably took some good time to do....and you still couldn't accept it. So, I think not. I know you all know what I am talking about. That is unless of course you never step outta your house, never read a paper, never turn on the news, and never talk to anybody. Those would be the people that have no clue what I am talking about when I talk about teens getting into DUI accidents and hurting or killing other people.
I didn't even talk about the scores of teens that cause violence everyday that are troubled. The DUI thing was an example. Basically just the tip of the iceburg.
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I agree with everything CCM girl has said, when my boy get violent, they know full well i am goin to land them on their arses whether i end up hurt in the process, it's the only way they're going to learn that if they hit out, others have the right to defend themselves, they also need to know it's not a behaviour I am prepared to accept and do nothing about
Also what was said about not going to either side, thank goodnes there's someone else who thinks like me!
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Well, I think what TSW is so inarticulately expressing is that the middle ground argument is more of a slippery slope where people begin to say "some programs are good" and then start "referring to" said "good programs" for money or even out of a misguided desire to help others and, later, we find out that the said "good programs" turned out to be horribly abusive all along but nobody could prove it until the weight of the evidence proves it in the end but it was too late for so many damaged children.
And is there anyone here with the mendacity to submit that this scenario has not played itself out over and over again...?
I'd rather take my chances with real therapists who employ research-proven effective treatment techniques over hacks and quacks using the most restrictive environments and methods that have been proven time and again to exacerbate problems, not solve them..
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http://www.jimgoad.net/goddess.html (http://www.jimgoad.net/goddess.html)
This guy has a lot of relevant information about this phenomenon.
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The difference between an adult being under the influence and a minor causing an accident is the adults sentence is much harsher. Minors barely get any time, and most the time are given a clean slate at the age of 18.
My kids would know if they were to hit me, which hopefully the never would, they just might get hit back. I'm not talking a little child here. I am talking in terms of a teenager.
If anyone on this planet were to hit me, they just might get hit back. I wouldn't go after anybody, but I would defend myself.
Being in the middle is just fine by me. I understand both sides. So what? No, I am not going to either side. Is this like elementary schools to where I have to pick a side? Puhleese! Grow up!!!!!
As far as having data to back what I say up.........if I remember correctly The Who in another thread came up with a ton of stuff, which probably took some good time to do....and you still couldn't accept it. So, I think not. I know you all know what I am talking about. That is unless of course you never step outta your house, never read a paper, never turn on the news, and never talk to anybody. Those would be the people that have no clue what I am talking about when I talk about teens getting into DUI accidents and hurting or killing other people.
I didn't even talk about the scores of teens that cause violence everyday that are troubled. The DUI thing was an example. Basically just the tip of the iceburg.
So what's a program gonna ~do for these drunken lunatic teens endagering our lives? Can we get to that?
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Well, I think what TSW is so inarticulately expressing is that the middle ground argument is more of a slippery slope where people begin to say "some programs are good" and then start "referring to" said "good programs" for money or even out of a misguided desire to help others and, later, we find out that the said "good programs" turned out to be horribly abusive all along but nobody could prove it until the weight of the evidence proves it in the end but it was too late for so many damaged children.
And is there anyone here with the mendacity to submit that this scenario has not played itself out over and over again...?
I'd rather take my chances with real therapists who employ research-proven effective treatment techniques over hacks and quacks using the most restrictive environments and methods that have been proven time and again to exacerbate problems, not solve them..
::bangin:: ::cheers:: :tup:
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http://www.jimgoad.net/goddess.html
This guy has a lot of relevant information about this phenomenon.
:o :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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I do think about what I say, before I say it TSW. I don't take hours and hours to go over a paragraph though! Do you think I should so I can make sure it meets your expectations?
Once again, get over yourself dude!!!!!
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You ever have pussy-farts, CCM? :rofl:
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Make her go AWAY. Bring back the naughty pictures. That kept her dysfunctional ass AWAY for 2-3 days.
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You ever have pussy-farts, CCM? :rofl:
Have you ever tried getting off the computer, and out of the house to talk to a real life human being? Please do. Do me a favor and try talking to someone like this outside your little cave of a room, I'd love to see someone kick the shit out of you.
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You ever have pussy-farts, CCM? :rofl:
Have you ever tried getting off the computer, and out of the house to talk to a real life human being? Please do. Do me a favor and try talking to someone like this outside your little cave of a room, I'd love to see someone kick the shit out of you.
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QUOTE TRAIN THIS MOTHERFUCKER
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You ever have pussy-farts, CCM? :rofl:
Have you ever tried getting off the computer, and out of the house to talk to a real life human being? Please do. Do me a favor and try talking to someone like this outside your little cave of a room, I'd love to see someone kick the shit out of you.
Wow. Who'd 'a' thunk that a little joke about pussy-farts would generate such vitriol, my hateful hussy!
CCM, admit to everyone here that you would much rather kick the shit out of me yourself than see someone else do it. In a world of repressed emotions it can be quite liberating to express them physically, you know? Think of how good it might feel to get your hands around my throat & squeeze; or say, knee me in the groin... :rofl:
It's no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.
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Make her go AWAY. Bring back the naughty pictures. That kept her dysfunctional ass AWAY for 2-3 days.
:rofl: :o
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This thread is an embarrassment. What makes CCM a traitor? She was locked up in a program longer than anyone else who posted on this thread. Had to go through shit after the program, made it on her own. She has some positive feelings about programs. She says she is not an ed con, or related to programs in any way. Then this thread happens. And you guys wonder why not many program survivors post on fornits anymore?
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:wave: CCM Girl!
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agreed!
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You ever have pussy-farts, CCM? :rofl:
Have you ever tried getting off the computer, and out of the house to talk to a real life human being? Please do. Do me a favor and try talking to someone like this outside your little cave of a room, I'd love to see someone kick the shit out of you.
I guees your answer is "no" then?
Pussy farts are usually achieved by putting a penis in your vagina,something you probably dont have access to.