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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Seed Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Anonymous on November 06, 2009, 11:44:27 AM
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Anybody left from St. Pete ? Memory gets kinda fuzzy for sure. What was the roofing company that used to bring a whole bunch of kid in to the 10- 10's in the back of a big flatbed truck, hugging and singing all the way down the road?
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I was there for 11 months from 1974-1975. I turned 15 in there.
Previously, I attended military boarding schools in Virginia from second to sixth grade.
After The Seed, I attended a college preparatory boarding school in Delaware.
A psychiatrist said all my problems stem from feeling unloved as a child.
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I was there for 11 months from 1974-1975. I turned 15 in there.
Previously, I attended military boarding schools in Virginia from second to sixth grade.
After The Seed, I attended a college preparatory boarding school in Delaware.
A psychiatrist said all my problems stem from feeling unloved as a child.
OY.......YOU SHOULD HAVE GRABBED A GUITAR AND STAYED IN YOUR MOTHERS BASEMENT :karma:
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I was there for 11 months from 1974-1975. I turned 15 in there.
Previously, I attended military boarding schools in Virginia from second to sixth grade.
After The Seed, I attended a college preparatory boarding school in Delaware.
A psychiatrist said all my problems stem from feeling unloved as a child.
OY.......YOU SHOULD HAVE GRABBED A GUITAR AND STAYED IN YOUR MOTHERS BASEMENT :karma:
Is this a nonsequiter because I have no idea what you mean?
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HEY Eliscu2. I think it's time you rolled a fresh tampon.
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I was there for 11 months from 1974-1975. I turned 15 in there.
Previously, I attended military boarding schools in Virginia from second to sixth grade.
After The Seed, I attended a college preparatory boarding school in Delaware.
A psychiatrist said all my problems stem from feeling unloved as a child.
I was there in 1973 by '74 I was gone. hope you've found peace since.
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None Ya.
There is a fairly simple reason your memory is "fuzzy' from those days. Mine is too. People who are under the stress such as we were can't remember anything. It's a bio-chemical thing, relating to pep-tide formation. It's part of the psy-war protocol. It's simply an outgrowth of what they did, and, confusion is essential to their process. Read Wm. Sargent, then you'll know more. Then go live life like a beer commercial. That's my wish for you.
Ever yours in Moral Turpitude,
J.O.M.
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None Ya.
There is a fairly simple reason your memory is "fuzzy' from those days. Mine is too. People who are under the stress such as we were can't remember anything. It's a bio-chemical thing, relating to pep-tide formation. It's part of the psy-war protocol. It's simply an outgrowth of what they did, and, confusion is essential to their process. Read Wm. Sargent, then you'll know more. Then go live life like a beer commercial. That's my wish for you.
Ever yours in Moral Turpitude,
J.O.M.
Yup....the sleep deprivation & starvation alone will do that, not to mention beatings, restraining until the victim passes out, thought stopping techniques etc. Makes swiss cheese of the memory. Some things are seared into my brain and others are lost forever. Also does a hell of a job on the menstrual cycles of the girls. Almost every single one I was in there with stopped having them completely after a couple of months. I asked my OB/GYN about that after getting out and she said that it was the combination of physical and mental stress, but that the mental stress alone can do it too.
Straight St. Pete - Gandy Bldg, 23 months of torture and hell, summer '82 - summer '84. Just in time for Virgil's dictatorship. Lucky me. ::)
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Anne: as much as I am uncomfortable with your reply, none-the-less, It's true. The injuries we received are very real and long lasting. A woman's cycle is a core health phenomena. She will if she's healthy, she won't under life threatening circumstance.A man's hormonal cycle is very different, as is our emotional climate, our interior world, if you will. However, neither man nor woman responds well to captivity, captivity is itself an injury, and a long-lasting one.It's one of the more difficult injuries to deal with, simply because it's hard to describe,difficult to point to. Complicating that, we have malignant narcissists telling us "i saved your life', and adding ridicule , seeking to obscure their own guilt. A further complication, for many of us, is the biblical injunction of hate. A naive understanding of that injunction. Forgiveness may be given only to those who sincerely request it. Forgiveness belongs to God, and it is arrogance to forgive willy-nilly, without regard.It would be the sin of foolishness to forgive those who have harmed us, and would do so again. Enemies exist to be slain, simply put.( as you know, I'm a simple man). Your Thoughts?
Yours in Eggregiousness, J.O.M.
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Anne: as much as I am uncomfortable with your reply, none-the-less, It's true.
Yeah, I know....not a comfortable thing to discuss.
The injuries we received are very real and long lasting. A woman's cycle is a core health phenomena. She will if she's healthy, she won't under life threatening circumstance.A man's hormonal cycle is very different, as is our emotional climate, our interior world, if you will. However, neither man nor woman responds well to captivity, captivity is itself an injury, and a long-lasting one.It's one of the more difficult injuries to deal with, simply because it's hard to describe,difficult to point to. Complicating that, we have malignant narcissists telling us "i saved your life', and adding ridicule , seeking to obscure their own guilt. A further complication, for many of us, is the biblical injunction of hate. A naive understanding of that injunction. Forgiveness may be given only to those who sincerely request it. Forgiveness belongs to God, and it is arrogance to forgive willy-nilly, without regard.It would be the sin of foolishness to forgive those who have harmed us, and would do so again. Enemies exist to be slain, simply put.( as you know, I'm a simple man). Your Thoughts?
Yours in Eggregiousness, J.O.M.
Agreed. Virgil Miller "Father" Cassian Newton is evil to the core and will NEVER be forgiven (by me at least) for the crimes against the thousands of children he perpetrated. He's still the same arrogant, malignant narcissist he always was only now he uses the guise of religion to recruit people to worship him. He truly craves that and it seems he absolutely cannot live without it. No matter how many times he was shut down, he'd pop up with some other identity or ruse in order to gain followers. I can still see the vacant faces of those poor kids that came to the hearing a few years back. It reminded me so much of myself back in Straight....blindly following and dutifully supporting my master, for I knew if I didn't the consequences would be quick and severe.
He deserves to rot in hell (if I believed in it) forever. There is no forgiveness for that kind of cruelty, especially without any semblance of remorse or regret.
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I am a survivor of The Seed that was in St.Pete. I was there 3 different times. I "split" three different times. I had no choice, they were trying to suck my brain right out of me. I was there in 1973. I don't remember any of those horrible staff leaders ames but I remember their sick, perverted, mean faces.
I hope they all rot in hell.
I am now 52 and barely a day goes by that I don't have flashbacks of the screaming and yelling and degrating sesions I endured,
It got to a point that I had to decide to become a brainwashed zombie or run like hell.
I was beaten and scared nearly to death.
My father and his prestigious friends all decided that their children were all drug addicts and needed to become Seedling robots.
I do know that my father paid large amounts of $ to put his 4 kids in there.
Funny thing was I wasn't into drugs at all.
They just wanted the $. My father has long since died and I find it hard to speak of him or The Seed.
I never speak of it for two reasons, one, who would ever believe me and two, I try to keep it buried inside.
I can still hear those stupid songs they sang. I don't know how much of my issues I can blame on The Seed because who knows how much damage they did to me. I do know it destroyed my self esteem. But gee when your father throws you to the wolves that alone can destroy your self worth.
I heard that the founder is dead. He destroyed more lives than a mass murderer in my opinion.
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Welcome palamino98,
I was there in '73, morgan yacht . I'm just about 55 now. The more you read here the more the memories will come back to you. the songs, the faces, the names, the godamn peanut and jelly sandwiches, getting stood up, and my personal vendetta twords jingle bells. Were you one of the lakewood kids? My old commer was, and I lived down there for three months.
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Fuck morgan yacht, fuck the little pools of fiberglass on the floor ,fuck the sorry WOODEN(not blue) chair from the tent revival, that put splinters on your ass. Fuck amy wright ,fuck that insipid chris cassolor,fuck wanda minton, fuck leslie fucin fetrow , fuck dave searcy,( here eat a lude asshole), Espiacially fuck "yellin helen" petermann,dave crock,and good ol' george ross,liar cheat and con artist that he IS. Fuck Amy Wright really hard ,and in her ass,w/o lube but with sandpaper, for all the shit you put ME thru,and fuckX2 that littleeddie haskel lookin fuck ,that I spit in his face back on 2nd phase,I think u were dave searcys butt buddy, oh wait your name was HEMMINGER < wasnt it? yeah Doug Hemminger. Step off now , lets see what ya got . Im not 14 anymore. WHat ya gots now. Ill do your ass NOW, hey wheres yo daddy, didnt he have a gas station?
Would killin you make me wrong? C mon you cunts.spill................................
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Fuck morgan yacht, fuck the little pools of fiberglass on the floor ,fuck the sorry WOODEN(not blue) chair from the tent revival, that put splinters on your ass. Fuck amy wright ,fuck that insipid chris cassolor,fuck wanda minton, fuck leslie fucin fetrow , fuck dave searcy,( here eat a lude asshole), Espiacially fuck "yellin helen" petermann,dave crock,and good ol' george ross,liar cheat and con artist that he IS. Fuck Amy Wright really hard ,and in her ass,w/o lube but with sandpaper, for all the shit you put ME thru,and fuckX2 that littleeddie haskel lookin fuck ,that I spit in his face back on 2nd phase,I think u were dave searcys butt buddy, oh wait your name was HEMMINGER < wasnt it? yeah Doug Hemminger. Step off now , lets see what ya got . Im not 14 anymore. WHat ya gots now. Ill do your ass NOW, hey wheres yo daddy, didnt he have a gas station?
Would killin you make me wrong? C mon you cunts.spill................................
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I was there for 11 months from 1974-1975. I turned 15 in there.
Previously, I attended military boarding schools in Virginia from second to sixth grade.
After The Seed, I attended a college preparatory boarding school in Delaware.
A psychiatrist said all my problems stem from feeling unloved as a child.
Funny. my s?o says thaT BOUT ME NOW. :beat:
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I was there for 11 months from 1974-1975. I turned 15 in there.
Previously, I attended military boarding schools in Virginia from second to sixth grade.
After The Seed, I attended a college preparatory boarding school in Delaware.
A psychiatrist said all my problems stem from feeling unloved as a child.
ummm ok my g/f says th e same About my ass i dont see her as being "AMY WRONG"
but then agaain its hard to see her period when shes sittin on my face. I DUNNO?
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Fuck morgan yacht, fuck the little pools of fiberglass on the floor ,fuck the sorry WOODEN(not blue) chair from the tent revival, that put splinters on your ass. Fuck amy wright ,fuck that insipid chris cassolor,fuck wanda minton, fuck leslie fucin fetrow , fuck dave searcy,( here eat a lude asshole), Espiacially fuck "yellin helen" petermann,dave crock,and good ol' george ross,liar cheat and con artist that he IS. Fuck Amy Wright really hard ,and in her ass,w/o lube but with sandpaper, for all the shit you put ME thru,and fuckX2 that littleeddie haskel lookin fuck ,that I spit in his face back on 2nd phase,I think u were dave searcys butt buddy, oh wait your name was HEMMINGER < wasnt it? yeah Doug Hemminger. Step off now , lets see what ya got . Im not 14 anymore. WHat ya gots now. Ill do your ass NOW, hey wheres yo daddy, didnt he have a gas station?
Would killin you make me wrong? C mon you cunts.spill................................
But that was straight right?
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yep,twere straight early 80s/ late 70s ....sorry havn a drunken ......well y "know.....................
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Download last X-mas song I posted
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im adjitated i dont know why.....
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I can remember it well Nov 5th 1973...The day I started. they graduated me in early 75
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I can remember it well Nov 5th 1973...The day I started. they graduated me in early 75
Welcome! Seedling.
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I haven't thought about the seed until this last year. And I put in art barker on the internet and lo and behold I found this place. I have some mixed emotions about the seed. Its good to have this place to talk . Reading alot of the posts from different folks has jogged my memory. Some of it good some of it not so good. My wife went through the program as well.
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I haven't thought about the seed until this last year. And I put in art barker on the internet and lo and behold I found this place. I have some mixed emotions about the seed. Its good to have this place to talk . Reading alot of the posts from different folks has jogged my memory. Some of it good some of it not so good. My wife went through the program as well.
Mixed emotions? Are you kidding me. What could you possibly miss? Did they ever stand your wife up and give her the coke bottle rap? How about signing "shit or piss" in the bathroom log? Good times! Being hungry and thirsty all the time? Going "home" to your old commers house and doing those godamn moral inventories? THE SEED SUCKED on every level. I can't imagine a hosehold of two seed grads. All I can say is good luck to you and yours
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none-ya....how long were you on the program......?
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none-ya....how long were you on the program......?
I was a new commer for around 4 mon. Then newcomer living at home for 1 1/2 to 2 more months. They wouldn't let me go back to school or get a job. All I wanted was to be off my 10 - 10's but that wasn't happening so I split from home.Wound up doing a lousy 10 days in jail (I was 17). The judge gave me credit for time served in the seed, but sentanced me for violating the court order to finish the program.
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I was on my 10 to 10's for about 5 months. Beleive me is was not fun. Actually, pretty stressful...but I don't remember signing in to take a piss or shit at the bathroom....maybe I blocked it out. I was on the program for about 15 and half months....They actually graduated me ....I was afraid to put in to get off the program. Still trying to figure that one out. peanut butter and jelly sucked, But i did gain 55 lbs in two months. Sorry you feel the way you do. The Seed quit controlling me years ago. I'm passed that.....I hope you the best.
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Lone wolf wrote
" The Seed quit controlling me years ago.
They never controlled me, EVER.
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I am not a st.pete survivor,i am a cleveland , ohio survivor. i went into the program in sept of 77 & graduated in march of 78. it was absolutely the worst frigging time of my life. Hank,constantly running a rap while flexing his biceps,Scott , wiping his nose & whining & making eyes at libby & i cannot for the life of me remember the dishwater blond girls name.i do remember that when the cleveland plain dealer did a story on art & the program,it was closed & the building was empty within 48 hours.this program did nothing good for me & actually did damage that has taken years to fix.what really is funny about this whole thing is that before i went into the program,i had NEVER EVER done any drugs in my life.yet upon entering the program & telling staff this,i was called a liar & subjected to ridicule constantly so that eventually i made up stories about drug use to satisfy them.my parents later admitted to me that it was marketed to them as a "BEHAVIOR MODIFICATION PROGRAM". if ever there was a case for a class action lawsuit against a bunch of undertrained/unlicensed zealots,this is it. they all should be held personally responsible for the damages & the messes they have created.by the way,was the blond girls name shelly possibly ?