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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Hyde Schools => Topic started by: Anonymous on July 03, 2006, 10:36:00 AM
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If you follow the threads, you see patterns of distortion perpetrated in similar styles by a handful of individuals who have obvious issues with Hyde School. Hyde is not for every student and every family, and sometimes that isn't clear until someone attends the schools.
To attach any credibility to an anonymous public forum where individuals can spew mistruths, distortions and attacks is a mistake. The lack of credibility alone undermines the value of anything you might read here, including my own comments. Beware of attaching any value to what you read here...
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Translation: Believe only what we tell you.
Frankly, if the choice is between an anonymous, random person who claims experience at Hyde, and Hyde's own statements, the anonymous person is a far more believable source. Anonymous, random people simply have a higher percentage of truth telling than Hyde, which, like other hellholes, approximates zero.
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On 2006-07-03 08:22:00, Milk Gargling Death Penalty wrote:
"Translation: Believe only what we tell you.
Frankly, if the choice is between an anonymous, random person who claims experience at Hyde, and Hyde's own statements, the anonymous person is a far more believable source. Anonymous, random people simply have a higher percentage of truth telling than Hyde, which, like other hellholes, approximates zero."
yes hyde is bad Mr Milk Gurgle I believe only you because you say so
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You better, idiot.
Here's a hint. Nobody gets paid to post their experiences. If they have a grudge against Hyde there is probably a reason for it. It's very hard to make this sort of thing up. Read the longer threads.
On the other hand, attempting to discredit these allegations probably benefits the original poster of this thread, which is why Hyde propaganda can be logically thrown out; they simply have no reason to tell the truth.
It doesn't work, of course, because no parent who reads even the slightest bit of Fornits is going to send his or her kid away. That's just plain simple. Nobody with half a brain is going to read pages and pages of allegations of abuse from all kinds of people with clearly different writing styles, and then say "well that's fine I'm sending my kid anyway."
In sum, eat a gun.
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On 2006-07-03 18:27:00, Milk Gargling Death Penalty wrote:
"You better, idiot.
Here's a hint. Nobody gets paid to post their experiences. If they have a grudge against Hyde there is probably a reason for it. It's very hard to make this sort of thing up. Read the longer threads.
On the other hand, attempting to discredit these allegations probably benefits the original poster of this thread, which is why Hyde propaganda can be logically thrown out; they simply have no reason to tell the truth.
It doesn't work, of course, because no parent who reads even the slightest bit of Fornits is going to send his or her kid away. That's just plain simple. Nobody with half a brain is going to read pages and pages of allegations of abuse from all kinds of people with clearly different writing styles, and then say "well that's fine I'm sending my kid anyway."
In sum, eat a gun."
Hey Milk, are you a former student or parent? Glad you are telling the truth about Hyde. Would be nice to see you on the Cafety site too. Are you aware of it?
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On 2006-07-03 18:27:00, Milk Gargling Death Penalty wrote:
"You better, idiot.
Here's a hint. Nobody gets paid to post their experiences. If they have a grudge against Hyde there is probably a reason for it. It's very hard to make this sort of thing up. Read the longer threads.
On the other hand, attempting to discredit these allegations probably benefits the original poster of this thread, which is why Hyde propaganda can be logically thrown out; they simply have no reason to tell the truth.
It doesn't work, of course, because no parent who reads even the slightest bit of Fornits is going to send his or her kid away. That's just plain simple. Nobody with half a brain is going to read pages and pages of allegations of abuse from all kinds of people with clearly different writing styles, and then say "well that's fine I'm sending my kid anyway."
In sum, eat a gun."
Mr Milk Gurgle,
You sound very hostile. Only a person with half a brain would listen to a person that would advise another which whom they are not aquainted to "eat a gun." It seems a harsh remedy for a little mocking of your arrogant ersatz authority on the subject Hyde. As far as idiocity we need look no farther then your posts wich are delightful chock full of the same.
Just to show that I am a good sport, I wish you a pleasant fourth. Please be careful with fire arms and fireworks. America needs folks like you to boost the rating of hit shows like the "fear FActor" and "american idiot"
yours,
Noah Cummin
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On 2006-07-04 05:04:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-07-03 18:27:00, Milk Gargling Death Penalty wrote:
"You better, idiot.
Here's a hint. Nobody gets paid to post their experiences. If they have a grudge against Hyde there is probably a reason for it. It's very hard to make this sort of thing up. Read the longer threads.
On the other hand, attempting to discredit these allegations probably benefits the original poster of this thread, which is why Hyde propaganda can be logically thrown out; they simply have no reason to tell the truth.
It doesn't work, of course, because no parent who reads even the slightest bit of Fornits is going to send his or her kid away. That's just plain simple. Nobody with half a brain is going to read pages and pages of allegations of abuse from all kinds of people with clearly different writing styles, and then say "well that's fine I'm sending my kid anyway."
In sum, eat a gun."
Mr Milk Gurgle,
You sound very hostile. Only a person with half a brain would listen to a person that would advise another which whom they are not aquainted to "eat a gun." It seems a harsh remedy for a little mocking of your arrogant ersatz authority on the subject Hyde. As far as idiocity we need look no farther then your posts wich are delightful chock full of the same.
Just to show that I am a good sport, I wish you a pleasant fourth. Please be careful with fire arms and fireworks. America needs folks like you to boost the rating of hit shows like the "fear FActor" and "american idiot"
yours,
Noah Cummin
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You Sir Noah are the hostile one! This board is filled with people who have differing opinions of Hyde. There is no right and wrong as far as the postings. Hyde taught us to be honest and this is exactly what many people are doing. And who are you to judge? If you like Hyde then great! No one is telling you not to post, so why do you come on this board and put down the people who have had bad experiences at Hyde? An experience is an experience and these people are journaling just like we did at Hyde. "Take it in" buddy!!
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On 2006-07-04 06:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-07-04 05:04:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-07-03 18:27:00, Milk Gargling Death Penalty wrote:
"You better, idiot.
Here's a hint. Nobody gets paid to post their experiences. If they have a grudge against Hyde there is probably a reason for it. It's very hard to make this sort of thing up. Read the longer threads.
On the other hand, attempting to discredit these allegations probably benefits the original poster of this thread, which is why Hyde propaganda can be logically thrown out; they simply have no reason to tell the truth.
It doesn't work, of course, because no parent who reads even the slightest bit of Fornits is going to send his or her kid away. That's just plain simple. Nobody with half a brain is going to read pages and pages of allegations of abuse from all kinds of people with clearly different writing styles, and then say "well that's fine I'm sending my kid anyway."
In sum, eat a gun."
Mr Milk Gurgle,
You sound very hostile. Only a person with half a brain would listen to a person that would advise another which whom they are not aquainted to "eat a gun." It seems a harsh remedy for a little mocking of your arrogant ersatz authority on the subject Hyde. As far as idiocity we need look no farther then your posts wich are delightful chock full of the same.
Just to show that I am a good sport, I wish you a pleasant fourth. Please be careful with fire arms and fireworks. America needs folks like you to boost the rating of hit shows like the "fear FActor" and "american idiot"
yours,
Noah Cummin
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You Sir Noah are the hostile one! This board is filled with people who have differing opinions of Hyde. There is no right and wrong as far as the postings. Hyde taught us to be honest and this is exactly what many people are doing. And who are you to judge? If you like Hyde then great! No one is telling you not to post, so why do you come on this board and put down the people who have had bad experiences at Hyde? An experience is an experience and these people are journaling just like we did at Hyde. "Take it in" buddy!!"
Telling someone to perform phalatio on a pistol is hostile.
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On 2006-07-04 11:12:00, Anonymous wrote:
Telling someone to perform phalatio on a pistol is hostile. "
But funny!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Your MOM presents distorted perspectives of obviously disturbed and disgruntled individuals.
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As far as idiocity
:rofl: Beautiful!! :lol: :lol:
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An ABUNDANCE of disturbed and disgruntled individuals...
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Yes, funny how people get disturbed after being abused, isn't it? Funny how people are disturbed at the thought of other kids being abused, huh?
You guys can't come up with anything better than the same old tired excuse of "they're just disgruntled". They're 'disgruntled' for a damn good reason dillweed.
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And it's spelled "fellatio".
Why is it that programmies always have English problems? Are they here from another civilization (although I'm not sure if it can be called that) to terrorize American youth, or could it be that they're just plain morons?
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On 2006-07-04 14:26:00, Milk Gargling Death Penalty wrote:
"And it's spelled "fellatio".
Why is it that programmies always have English problems? Are they here from another civilization (although I'm not sure if it can be called that) to terrorize American youth, or could it be that they're just plain morons?"
As far as lack of the english language, there is a simple reason. Hyde has lousy teachers and does not push the scholastics at the school. The education at Hyde or should I say lack of, is pathetic.
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On 2006-07-04 11:20:00, Frank Discussion wrote:
As far as idiocity
:rofl: Beautiful!! :rofl: :rofl:
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On 2006-07-04 20:31:00, Frank Discussion wrote:
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On 2006-07-04 11:20:00, Frank Discussion wrote:
As far as idiocity
:rofl: Beautiful!! :rofl: :rofl: "
friggin?
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/friggin (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/friggin)
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Dipshit? :lol:
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On 2006-07-05 07:08:00, Frank Discussion wrote:
"Dipshit? :lol: "
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Dipshit (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Dipshit)
Good job Frank! Find another word from the vernacular that is also in the dictionary.
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I tried, but just couldn't find the word "idiocity" :rofl:
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On 2006-07-05 09:04:00, Frank Discussion wrote:
"I tried, but just couldn't find the word "idiocity" :rofl: "
You did not try hard enough.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=idiocity (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=idiocity)
try putting some food on your family:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fucktard (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fucktard)
Lack of effort is what held you back in school.
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You did not try hard enough.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=idiocity (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=idiocity)
I suppose that you'll attempt to tell me that "shiznit" is a real word next... :roll:
try putting some food on your family:
What?? :???:
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IOW, "idiocity" is stupid corruption of the REAL word, "idiocy." :grin:
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On 2006-07-05 10:36:00, Frank Discussion wrote:
"IOW, "idiocity" is stupid corruption of the REAL word, "idiocy." :grin: "
I gave you back what you gave to me for using non-standard english. Only a fucktard friggin moron chock full of idiocity would offer a criticism non-standard english use with non-standard english use. That was my point.
Noah Cummin
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On 2006-07-05 13:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-07-05 10:36:00, Frank Discussion wrote:
"IOW, "idiocity" is stupid corruption of the REAL word, "idiocy." :grin: "
I gave you back what you gave to me for using non-standard english. Only a fucktard friggin moron chock full of idiocity would offer a criticism non-standard english use with non-standard english use. That was my point.
Noah Cummin"
I gave you back what you gave to me for using non-standard english. Only a fucktard friggin moron chock full of idiocity would offer a criticism [bold]of[/bold]non-standard english use with non-standard english use. That was my point.
Futher more, you missed the glaring grammatical error in the post.
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On 2006-07-05 10:31:00, Frank Discussion wrote:
"You did not try hard enough.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=idiocity (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=idiocity)
I suppose that you'll attempt to tell me that "shiznit" is a real word next... :roll:
try putting some food on your family:
What?? :???: "
#3 in the definition of Fucktard
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Why don't the two of you go to another board to fight this one out. This board is for a serious discussion
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On 2006-07-05 17:09:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Why don't the two of you go to another board to fight this one out. This board is for a serious discussion"
:lol:
Noah Cummin
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The title of this post says it all...
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No the content of the forum tells the whole story. Hyde is nothing but an abusive mindrape posing as a 'treatment center'.
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When I was at the Hyde Woodstock campus, there were approximately 60 kids in the substance abuse program. They met with a counselor, (don't know think he was either a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist.) on a regular basis.
All of the students and parents participate in "family sessions and discussion groups." This is what any professional would call a group therapy session. A normal boarding school does not require this of parents or students. Because of this Hyde should not advertise themselves as a prep school with a focus on character. They are a therapeutic boarding school without any licensed therapist on staff! This is not a healthy way to run a therapeutic boarding school, especially at $35,000++ a year, but until someone steps up to the plate and tries to get the government to intervene with private boarding schools, Hyde will continue to operate in this manner.
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When I was at the Hyde Woodstock campus, there were approximately 60 kids in the substance abuse program. They met with a counselor, (don't know think he was either a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist.) on a regular basis.
All of the students and parents participate in "family sessions and discussion groups." This is what any professional would call a group therapy session. A normal boarding school does not require this of parents or students. Because of this Hyde should not advertise themselves as a prep school with a focus on character. They are a therapeutic boarding school without any licensed therapist on staff! This is not a healthy way to run a therapeutic boarding school, especially at $35,000++ a year, but until someone steps up to the plate and tries to get the government to intervene with private boarding schools, Hyde will continue to operate in this manner.
Right - Hyde admits that it accepts many kids with substance abuse and serious psychological problems and then pretends that it's a prep school with a character focus. When I was at Hyde I saw lots of things behind the scenes that convinced me that Hyde has the same sort of population you find at many therapeutic boarding schools, but at Hyde there are is no treatment program or trained professionals. After awhile I realized that Hyde is a disaster for many students who need lots of help that Hyde can't (or won't) provide.
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When I was at the Hyde Woodstock campus, there were approximately 60 kids in the substance abuse program. They met with a counselor, (don't know think he was either a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist.) on a regular basis.
This was meant to read that the counselor was NOT a licensed Psychologist of Psychiatrist. There are NO licensed counselors on staff at Hyde.
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It's so much easier to blame someone else (like Hyde School) for your problems adjusting to life, isn't it? Perhaps if you focused your energies on your own pathology rather than spewing vitriole against Hyde, you might find some real happiness...
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It's so much easier to blame someone else (like Hyde School) for your problems adjusting to life, isn't it? Perhaps if you focused your energies on your own pathology rather than spewing vitriole against Hyde, you might find some real happiness...
I deeply resent your judgmental language. It seems to me that if you truly embraced Hyde's ethos and values, you would not engage in this sort of dismissive, destructive exchange. Your language is exactly the reason why we left Hyde. When we enrolled at Hyde we had no idea so many people there point fingers in the same way you seem to. Now we know there are much better and more positive ways to treat people AND help them change, take a hard look at their issues, etc.
FYI: Our family has been earnest about examining our own issues. We have no problem doing so. What we have discovered since leaving Hyde is that Hyde is not a healthy place in which to examine one's issues. We've had far more success at our child's new school, where the staff are so much more skilled than Hyde's staff. The comparison is unbelievable; Hyde's staff seems very weak by comparison. It's a pleasure to be surrounded by so many competent staff who are insightful, skilled, and sensitive. We simply didn't encounter that very much at Hyde. At Hyde we found most staff to be aggressive, judgmental, and lacking in insight. By the way, we HAVE found real happiness. Leaving Hyde has contributed to that greatly.
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It's so much easier to blame someone else (like Hyde School) for your problems adjusting to life, isn't it? Perhaps if you focused your energies on your own pathology rather than spewing vitriole against Hyde, you might find some real happiness...
Therein lies the fucking problem. Adolescence is not a pathology!!!!! Why is it NEVER, EVER the program's fault? Why is it that you people blindly follow sycophants who insist on spewing out the same, tired old shit that has been shown to be so destructive time and time again.
Fucking judgemental pricks are the same as the ones 20 or so years ago. Same fucking shit, different wrapper.
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It's so much easier to blame someone else (like Hyde School) for your problems adjusting to life, isn't it? Perhaps if you focused your energies on your own pathology rather than spewing vitriole against Hyde, you might find some real happiness...
Therein lies the fucking problem. Adolescence is not a pathology!!!!! Why is it NEVER, EVER the program's fault? Why is it that you people blindly follow sycophants who insist on spewing out the same, tired old shit that has been shown to be so destructive time and time again.
Fucking judgemental pricks are the same as the ones 20 or so years ago. Same fucking shit, different wrapper.
Bonney,
I did not know fucking shit had a wrapper.
Timmy
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Now you do. Glad I could be of assistance. Feel free to call on me anytime. :D ::bwahaha::
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Now you do. Glad I could be of assistance. Feel free to call on me anytime. :D ::bwahaha::
Well Timmy, those who come to this board know who you are because you write the same things over and over again, just like Hyde uses the same cliches over and over again. When you talk to anyone from Hyde they sound like robots using the same phrases and words. They don't really speak from the HEART as Hyde proclaims, they speak the lingo that Joe Gauld and the rest of the crew teaches them.
Anne asked you a question and you failed to answer it. Is this because you can't answer why Hyde never takes responsibility for their failings?
Hyde has their followers similar to the Scientologist, Hari Krishna, EST participants, etc. You will always find someone who latches onto an ideal that can control them rather than controlling your own lives and destiny. Hyde professes to do this but in actuality Hyde does not consider you a success unless you follow them.
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On 2006-07-04 14:26:00, Milk Gargling Death Penalty wrote:
"And it's spelled "fellatio".
Why is it that programmies always have English problems? Are they here from another civilization (although I'm not sure if it can be called that) to terrorize American youth, or could it be that they're just plain morons?"
As far as lack of the english language, there is a simple reason. Hyde has lousy teachers and does not push the scholastics at the school. The education at Hyde or should I say lack of, is pathetic.
The first sentence is incomplete. Your retarded. You did not get teached so good you're self so hear you go:
As far as lack of the english language, there is a simple reason: Hyde has lousy teachers and does not push the scholastics at the school.
that works much gooder. you have a nice day now and buy "Hello Kitty" merchandise at the mall.
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Actually it doesn't. It should be a semi-colon dumb ass. A period and beginning a new sentence is acceptable too though. rofl:
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Glad you've found REAL happiness... and it just oozes from your tormented pores... Now go away and be happy...
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Glad you've found REAL happiness... and it just oozes from your tormented pores... Now go away and be happy...
Who are you talking to?
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Anne,
Let's see...substance abuse and serious psychological problems should qualify as pathology. I agree with you that adolescence doesn't. What seems to be the problem here, other than the preoponderence of self-pitying losers on this site who exert their energies blaming others for their problems rather than face up to their failures and shortcomings and move their lives in a positive direction. If you're holding on to anger and vitriole towards Hyde, it's hard to imagine that you've moved on to a positive place in your life, eg "real" happpiness. It's laughable, but also sad...
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How can anyone know who they're talking to on this board...everyone's a "Guest" and is anonymous, with the exception of the core losers who are here all the time...
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Anne,
Let's see...substance abuse and serious psychological problems should qualify as pathology.
Ah, but that's the point right there. Most of these kids who are diagnosed (improperly and by unqualified persons most of the time) don't really have the substance abuse and psych problems that they're parents believe and the staff exacerbate and feed off of. Have you ever taken a look at the so called "warning signs" on any of those sites? They're absolutely ridiculous. They describe just about every single teen in the country. "Is your child moody? Does your child talk back and use abusive language? Have their friends changed? Do they listen to music you object to?" Very, very few kids actually need to be removed from the home and those that do have serious mental issues that cannot be addressed in the setting you promote and most of the time is the last[/b] place someone with those kinds of issues needs to be.
What seems to be the problem here, other than the preoponderence of self-pitying losers on this site who exert their energies blaming others for their problems rather than face up to their failures and shortcomings and move their lives in a positive direction. If you're holding on to anger and vitriole towards Hyde, it's hard to imagine that you've moved on to a positive place in your life, eg "real" happpiness. It's laughable, but also sad...
I wasn't in Hyde. I was in one of it's predecessors years ago and I recongnize the bullshit when I see it. How utterly typical of program proponents to use ad hominem attacks when you run out of ammo. You know absolutely nothing about me or my life but feel totally justified in diagnosing me from a couple of posts on a message board. I'm a 40 year old woman with two grown, successful kids. I've got a lovely home that's just about paid for, a nice motortrawler that my husband and I regularly vacation in beautiful places on, a family that adores me and life in general is pretty damn sweet. But feel free to view me as you do. It's really your only defense mechanism against reality. See, according to the people who ran my program and their supporters I should be long deadinsaneorinjail by now. It completely flies in the face of your little fantasies that anyone who would oppose such places must be unhappy, disgruntled or whatever other adjective you choose.
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How can anyone know who they're talking to on this board...everyone's a "Guest" and is anonymous, with the exception of the core losers who are here all the time...
Two solutions. Get a username or use the quote feature if you don't want to register. :roll:
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Anne,
Let's see...substance abuse and serious psychological problems should qualify as pathology. I agree with you that adolescence doesn't. What seems to be the problem here, other than the preoponderence of self-pitying losers on this site who exert their energies blaming others for their problems rather than face up to their failures and shortcomings and move their lives in a positive direction. If you're holding on to anger and vitriole towards Hyde, it's hard to imagine that you've moved on to a positive place in your life, eg "real" happpiness. It's laughable, but also sad...
Our family is now in a very good place and pleased with where we're headed. We are thrilled with the educational experience our child had in the school she went to AFTER Hyde. Our family grew too, as a result. At the same time, we continue to feel deeply bitter toward Hyde and angry about the many pathological practices and brainwashing tactics Hyde uses. So, you're absolutely wrong when you say that "If you're holding on to anger and vitriole towards Hyde, it's hard to imagine that you've moved on to a positive place in your life, eg 'real' happpiness. It's laughable, but also sad."
The clear fact is that these are not mutually exclusive -- people can continue to resent Hyde while, at the same time, they celebrate the growth and positive gains they've achieved as a result of leaving Hyde and finding much healthier environs. Many of us have moved way past Hyde with good results. We're also eager to let others know about the deep problems at Hyde so they can avoid the horror we experienced at that school.
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Our family is now in a very good place and pleased with where we're headed. We are thrilled with the educational experience our child had in the school she went to AFTER Hyde. Our family grew too, as a result. At the same time, we continue to feel deeply bitter toward Hyde and angry about the many pathological practices and brainwashing tactics Hyde uses. So, you're absolutely wrong when you say that "If you're holding on to anger and vitriole towards Hyde, it's hard to imagine that you've moved on to a positive place in your life, eg 'real' happpiness. It's laughable, but also sad."
The clear fact is that these are not mutually exclusive -- people can continue to resent Hyde while, at the same time, they celebrate the growth and positive gains they've achieved as a result of leaving Hyde and finding much healthier environs. Many of us have moved way past Hyde with good results. We're also eager to let others know about the deep problems at Hyde so they can avoid the horror we experienced at that school.
I'm glad to hear your family is doing well. That doesn't fit in with their delusional walls they've built around them in order to justify what they've done though. They'll continue to label you, me and anyone else that isn't lockstep in line. At least you can see it for what it is now. Some people take years to come back to reality and sadly some never do. Families, including mine for years, have been ripped apart by these places for decades. The whole ideaology and way of viewing teenagers is so fucked up in this country and it's insinuated itself into way too much of the mainstream. I read a good article when Martin Anderson died in a Florida boot camp that summed it up. The reporter talked about the appeal of this to both political sides of the spectrum. The liberals see it as 'alternative' in the positive sense without any real thought or research into what they're supporting. The neocons like the 'get tough' policy for these damn deliquent kids. I'm not trying to get all political, although I've got my very defiinite beliefs, but it just explains why it's been so slow in being challenged until now.
By the way.....two more kids died last week in Florida boot camps.
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anne, i would love to write you. I have the same beliefs as you and would like to try to make a difference for other families. Can you write me at [email protected] with your email address?
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Check your mail. :)
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Anne, your email did not come through.
[email protected]
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Try again. I just sent another. If it doesn't go through, get a username and private message me. You don't ever have to post under that name if you don't want to but you can use the PM function.
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Just go away...
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Just go away...
Who the hell are you talking to? Christ, if you're not going to sign in at least learn how to use the quote function. :roll:
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That would be shiznit...
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Our family is now in a very good place and pleased with where we're headed. We are thrilled with the educational experience our child had in the school she went to AFTER Hyde. Our family grew too, as a result. At the same time, we continue to feel deeply bitter toward Hyde and angry about the many pathological practices and brainwashing tactics Hyde uses. So, you're absolutely wrong when you say that "If you're holding on to anger and vitriole towards Hyde, it's hard to imagine that you've moved on to a positive place in your life, eg 'real' happpiness. It's laughable, but also sad."
The clear fact is that these are not mutually exclusive -- people can continue to resent Hyde while, at the same time, they celebrate the growth and positive gains they've achieved as a result of leaving Hyde and finding much healthier environs. Many of us have moved way past Hyde with good results. We're also eager to let others know about the deep problems at Hyde so they can avoid the horror we experienced at that school.
I'm glad to hear your family is doing well. That doesn't fit in with their delusional walls they've built around them in order to justify what they've done though. They'll continue to label you, me and anyone else that isn't lockstep in line. At least you can see it for what it is now. Some people take years to come back to reality and sadly some never do. Families, including mine for years, have been ripped apart by these places for decades. The whole ideaology and way of viewing teenagers is so fucked up in this country and it's insinuated itself into way too much of the mainstream. I read a good article when Martin Anderson died in a Florida boot camp that summed it up. The reporter talked about the appeal of this to both political sides of the spectrum. The liberals see it as 'alternative' in the positive sense without any real thought or research into what they're supporting. The neocons like the 'get tough' policy for these damn deliquent kids. I'm not trying to get all political, although I've got my very defiinite beliefs, but it just explains why it's been so slow in being challenged until now.
By the way.....two more kids died last week in Florida boot camps.
You distort and manipulate the truth to fit your agenda in such a seemingly caring way...
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You distort and manipulate the truth to fit your agenda in such a seemingly caring way...
What did I distort and what, pray tell, do you think my "agenda" is? :roll:
If you're just going to continue to try to insult me and not going to answer the questions or even make an attempt to engage in any sort of dialogue, this is going to get old real quick. [sigh] I'm asking you specific questions about what you think is so good about Hyde. I'm asking why you believe in it so strongly. If you're going to come on here and try to defend Hyde you really should be prepared for this.
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You distort and manipulate the truth to fit your agenda in such a seemingly caring way...
What did I distort and what, pray tell, do you think my "agenda" is? :roll:
If you're just going to continue to try to insult me and not going to answer the questions or even make an attempt to engage in any sort of dialogue, this is going to get old real quick. [sigh] I'm asking you specific questions about what you think is so good about Hyde. I'm asking why you believe in it so strongly. If you're going to come on here and try to defend Hyde you really should be prepared for this.
Tired of hearing your delusional, twisted and bitter nonsense about something you don't even know of firsthand. Please just go back into treatment and leave us alone...
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You distort and manipulate the truth to fit your agenda in such a seemingly caring way...
What did I distort and what, pray tell, do you think my "agenda" is? :roll:
If you're just going to continue to try to insult me and not going to answer the questions or even make an attempt to engage in any sort of dialogue, this is going to get old real quick. [sigh] I'm asking you specific questions about what you think is so good about Hyde. I'm asking why you believe in it so strongly. If you're going to come on here and try to defend Hyde you really should be prepared for this.
Tired of hearing your delusional, twisted and bitter nonsense about something you don't even know of firsthand. Please just go back into treatment and leave us alone...
Why thank you darlin'!! Thank you very much. You've just proven my point beyond any shadow of a doubt. ::nod:: :rofl:
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You distort and manipulate the truth to fit your agenda in such a seemingly caring way...
What did I distort and what, pray tell, do you think my "agenda" is? :roll:
If you're just going to continue to try to insult me and not going to answer the questions or even make an attempt to engage in any sort of dialogue, this is going to get old real quick. [sigh] I'm asking you specific questions about what you think is so good about Hyde. I'm asking why you believe in it so strongly. If you're going to come on here and try to defend Hyde you really should be prepared for this.
Tired of hearing your delusional, twisted and bitter nonsense about something you don't even know of firsthand. Please just go back into treatment and leave us alone...
Why thank you darlin'!! Thank you very much. You've just proven my point beyond any shadow of a doubt. ::nod:: :rofl:
You'd first have to have a point for me to prove it... and generally what you say doesn't seem to have one, or one that's clear at least.
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You'd first have to have a point for me to prove it... and generally what you say doesn't seem to have one, or one that's clear at least.
The point is that when you insult only (I don't mind taking hits, you haven't yet approached offending me) it shows that you're avoiding any questions that have been asked. Why would you want to avoid the questions? You support and defend the school, why not tell us what's so great about it? I haven't made any accusations or statements of fact about Hyde because I don't know any facts. That's why I'm asking questions. So far all I've got to go on is some pretty serious allegations of emotional and maybe physical abuse, extreme control over kids and familites, cult like practices, allowing a former employee who was forced to resign due to an improper relationship with a student back on campus and more. The only thing you've done to "defend" your position that Hyde is great is come on here and post...well, Hyde is great, and then insult me and completely avoid any discussion of the facts or allegations.
If you don't get it this time then it's just too far over your head Honey.
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more shiznit
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more shiznit
In other words, you've still got nothing to contribute to the discussion. You've got nothing to support the few statements you've made. Somehow I'm not surprised at this revelation. :roll:
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more shiznit
In other words, you've still got nothing to contribute to the discussion. You've got nothing to support the few statements you've made. Somehow I'm not surprised at this revelation. :roll:
It's clear to me that your venemous, angry, distorted, arrogant,judgemental mind is not capable of an enlightened discussion. What would be the point in engaging?
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more shiznit
In other words, you've still got nothing to contribute to the discussion. You've got nothing to support the few statements you've made. Somehow I'm not surprised at this revelation. :roll:
It's clear to me that your venemous, angry, distorted, arrogant,judgemental mind is not capable of an enlightened discussion. What would be the point in engaging?
Try me. Point out where I've distorted anything. I'll cop to being arrogant. I've lived this on many different levels. I know what I'm talking about. Angry? Sure. I'm pissed off as hell at what's happened to me and thousands of other kids in the name of "help". Where have I been venemous? Where have I been judgemental (pot, kettle)?
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and you should cop to being arrogant...YOU ARE!!!
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I already have. Twice. So are you. Can we get back to discussing the issues now?
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Yeah, I've slid some sideways digs here now and then, out of frustration. You've done the same. Straight and Hyde taught us well. I'm much calmer now. I can be vicious, learned every bit of it in 'treatment'. All the same propoganda and deflection tactics you're using. Attack the messenger, ignore the message. It's very effective on most peole. Especially vulnerable kids in programs that are surrouonded by nothing BUT that kind of 'help'. I know, I know....to hold them accountable...to help them see the err of their ways, the end justifies the means. Bullshit. It's crap and I'm tired of pretending it's not.
Now, please......go back and read some of the questions I've asked and ANSWER them.
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Yeah, I've slid some sideways digs here now and then, out of frustration. You've done the same. Straight and Hyde taught us well. I'm much calmer now. I can be vicious, learned every bit of it in 'treatment'. All the same propoganda and deflection tactics you're using. Attack the messenger, ignore the message. It's very effective on most peole. Especially vulnerable kids in programs that are surrouonded by nothing BUT that kind of 'help'. I know, I know....to hold them accountable...to help them see the err of their ways, the end justifies the means. Bullshit. It's crap and I'm tired of pretending it's not.
Now, please......go back and read some of the questions I've asked and ANSWER them.
I've seen attacks and judgements of Hyde, couched in rambling, loaded questions asking for information that someone who didn't work at Hyde couldn't possibly begin to answer. What INTELLIGENT, RATIONAL, OBJECTIVE questions do you have?
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Yeah, I've slid some sideways digs here now and then, out of frustration. You've done the same. Straight and Hyde taught us well. I'm much calmer now. I can be vicious, learned every bit of it in 'treatment'. All the same propoganda and deflection tactics you're using. Attack the messenger, ignore the message. It's very effective on most peole. Especially vulnerable kids in programs that are surrouonded by nothing BUT that kind of 'help'. I know, I know....to hold them accountable...to help them see the err of their ways, the end justifies the means. Bullshit. It's crap and I'm tired of pretending it's not.
Now, please......go back and read some of the questions I've asked and ANSWER them.
I've seen attacks and judgements of Hyde, couched in rambling, loaded questions asking for information that someone who didn't work at Hyde couldn't possibly begin to answer. What INTELLIGENT, RATIONAL, OBJECTIVE questions do you have?
Well, in all fairness it's hard to know if the people I'm asking did or didn't work at Hyde...or go there. None of you will sign in, so I'm just going on what's been written here.
You (supporters of Hyde) came on here and began posting in defense of the school. I didn't go to Hyde's forum and do that. You came here. I responded. I asked questions. Yes, I already have some of my opinions formed....I'm only human, but that's why I'm asking questions. I really would like to find out why you think Hyde is really all that different from Straight or WWASPS or any of the others. I think that's the only way anyone is going to get anywhere with this issue. We (both sides of this) need to be able to do that. Again, I'm asking for your opinions since you came here, defended Hyde and seem to believe in it so strongly.
You seem to be familiar with Hyde's methods and teachings in some capacity, otherwise you wouldn't you wouldn't keep returning to see what we write, 'cuz ya know......'no one pays attention' to it anyway, so I'm asking again.
What is the concept of Brother's Keeper?
What is involved in the parent weekends?
Why is someone who settled a sexual misconduct case involving a student still allowed on campus?
What is with all the reporting of students having sex with teachers and counselors?
How are Hyde's academics dealt with?
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No the content of the forum tells the whole story. Hyde is nothing but an abusive mindrape posing as a 'treatment center'.
I thought it was a school.
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No the content of the forum tells the whole story. Hyde is nothing but an abusive mindrape posing as a 'treatment center'.
I thought it was a school.
Schools educate kids. Hyde does not educate! The teachers stink. The ones who are qualified and good, leave within a year or two.
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No the content of the forum tells the whole story. Hyde is nothing but an abusive mindrape posing as a 'treatment center'.
I thought it was a school.
Schools educate kids. Hyde does not educate! The teachers stink. The ones who are qualified and good, leave within a year or two.
I went there for 3 years and graduated. Then went on to college, did fine, graduated. Then went on to graduate school, did fine, graduated. Hyde did OK by me and most of my classmates academically. You get out what you put into it.
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No the content of the forum tells the whole story. Hyde is nothing but an abusive mindrape posing as a 'treatment center'.
I thought it was a school.
Schools educate kids. Hyde does not educate! The teachers stink. The ones who are qualified and good, leave within a year or two.
I went there for 3 years and graduated. Then went on to college, did fine, graduated. Then went on to graduate school, did fine, graduated. Hyde did OK by me and most of my classmates academically. You get out what you put into it.
What percentage of the Hyde class you started with graduated with you? How many dropped out/left Hyde? (Glad to know things worked out well for you.)
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No the content of the forum tells the whole story. Hyde is nothing but an abusive mindrape posing as a 'treatment center'.
I thought it was a school.
Schools educate kids. Hyde does not educate! The teachers stink. The ones who are qualified and good, leave within a year or two.
I went there for 3 years and graduated. Then went on to college, did fine, graduated. Then went on to graduate school, did fine, graduated. Hyde did OK by me and most of my classmates academically. You get out what you put into it.
What percentage of the Hyde class you started with graduated with you? How many dropped out/left Hyde? (Glad to know things worked out well for you.)
Probably about 10-15% left during Sr year to return to school at home or other school. Issues were too tough for them or they didn't want to face up to some ot the demands made on seniors, so they went back to the "easy" life in public school. A couple convinced their parents that they could do it without Hyde and wanted to prove it to themselves and their family. Most have since expressed the wish that they finished what they started instead of leaving.
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Most have since expressed the wish that they finished what they started instead of leaving.
How the hell would you know that?
Oh wait, you're making it up.
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No the content of the forum tells the whole story. Hyde is nothing but an abusive mindrape posing as a 'treatment center'.
I thought it was a school.
Schools educate kids. Hyde does not educate! The teachers stink. The ones who are qualified and good, leave within a year or two.
I went there for 3 years and graduated. Then went on to college, did fine, graduated. Then went on to graduate school, did fine, graduated. Hyde did OK by me and most of my classmates academically. You get out what you put into it.
What percentage of the Hyde class you started with graduated with you? How many dropped out/left Hyde? (Glad to know things worked out well for you.)
Probably about 10-15% left during Sr year to return to school at home or other school. Issues were too tough for them or they didn't want to face up to some ot the demands made on seniors, so they went back to the "easy" life in public school. A couple convinced their parents that they could do it without Hyde and wanted to prove it to themselves and their family. Most have since expressed the wish that they finished what they started instead of leaving.
i am glad to hear good things about a program.but i dont believe a single word of it. i guess everybody who has bad to say is a liar.whatever! you can continue to lie to yourself if you want. that is exactly what i did. and for 18 yrs at that. i thoght my problems and the things going on in my head were just normal life. they got worse and worse. sure these "schools" educate you. ha! the education i got is not recognised anywhere. i had to go get my g.e.d. they did educate me on how to read people's actions, tone and body language. they did teach me to believe nothing anyone says. they taught me to trust no one. is this the education we want our children to get? the future leaders of our country? come on get real. one day you too will wake up. and it promises to be a rude awakening. as for people wishing they had not left, it's called stockholm syndrome. there is no good that comes of these places. they stripped me of my personality and replaced it with who they wanted me to be. a robot. get real your a liar .we will forgive you though for you know not what you say ,YET!!!!!!!!
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Go to www.ISACcorp.org (http://www.ISACcorp.org). You will see Hyde on their watch list.
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http://www.isaccorp.org/documentsam.asp#hyde (http://www.isaccorp.org/documentsam.asp#hyde)
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No the content of the forum tells the whole story. Hyde is nothing but an abusive mindrape posing as a 'treatment center'.
I thought it was a school.
Schools educate kids. Hyde does not educate! The teachers stink. The ones who are qualified and good, leave within a year or two.
I went there for 3 years and graduated. Then went on to college, did fine, graduated. Then went on to graduate school, did fine, graduated. Hyde did OK by me and most of my classmates academically. You get out what you put into it.
What percentage of the Hyde class you started with graduated with you? How many dropped out/left Hyde? (Glad to know things worked out well for you.)
Probably about 10-15% left during Sr year to return to school at home or other school. Issues were too tough for them or they didn't want to face up to some ot the demands made on seniors, so they went back to the "easy" life in public school. A couple convinced their parents that they could do it without Hyde and wanted to prove it to themselves and their family. Most have since expressed the wish that they finished what they started instead of leaving.
i am glad to hear good things about a program.but i dont believe a single word of it. i guess everybody who has bad to say is a liar.whatever! you can continue to lie to yourself if you want. that is exactly what i did. and for 18 yrs at that. i thoght my problems and the things going on in my head were just normal life. they got worse and worse. sure these "schools" educate you. ha! the education i got is not recognised anywhere. i had to go get my g.e.d. they did educate me on how to read people's actions, tone and body language. they did teach me to believe nothing anyone says. they taught me to trust no one. is this the education we want our children to get? the future leaders of our country? come on get real. one day you too will wake up. and it promises to be a rude awakening. as for people wishing they had not left, it's called stockholm syndrome. there is no good that comes of these places. they stripped me of my personality and replaced it with who they wanted me to be. a robot. get real your a liar .we will forgive you though for you know not what you say ,YET!!!!!!!!
I'm sorry to hear that your personal educational experience at Bethel wasn't very good, but I'm not sure what that has to do with Hyde School. Hyde is licensed in the state of Maine and accredited by the National Association of Independent Schools (and has been since day one). If you complete their academic program with passing grades, all colleges/universities will accept your transcript. I don't think we're talking in the same universe here. There are those here who criticize the Hyde academic program, but it served me well and except for the determined losers, it served those I attended with well also. Sorry I can't agree with your POV.
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I was just surfin' around and found this
http://marykaysucks.wordpress.com/faq/ (http://marykaysucks.wordpress.com/faq/)
Dosen't this sound like most of the pro-Hyde posts (and it has nothing to do with programs)?
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Are you thinkin' that maybe Joe Gauld is really Mary Kay? Come on, have you seen his foundation and mascara up close?
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Are you thinkin' that maybe Joe Gauld is really Mary Kay? Come on, have you seen his foundation and mascara up close?
Hey I got my pink caddyfrom Joe
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Are you thinkin' that maybe Joe Gauld is really Mary Kay? Come on, have you seen his foundation and mascara up close?
Hey I got my pink caddyfrom Joe
Does his daughter Laurie drive a Pink Cadillac?
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No the content of the forum tells the whole story. Hyde is nothing but an abusive mindrape posing as a 'treatment center'.
I thought it was a school.
Schools educate kids. Hyde does not educate! The teachers stink. The ones who are qualified and good, leave within a year or two.
I went there for 3 years and graduated. Then went on to college, did fine, graduated. Then went on to graduate school, did fine, graduated. Hyde did OK by me and most of my classmates academically. You get out what you put into it.
What percentage of the Hyde class you started with graduated with you? How many dropped out/left Hyde? (Glad to know things worked out well for you.)
Probably about 10-15% left during Sr year to return to school at home or other school. Issues were too tough for them or they didn't want to face up to some ot the demands made on seniors, so they went back to the "easy" life in public school. A couple convinced their parents that they could do it without Hyde and wanted to prove it to themselves and their family. Most have since expressed the wish that they finished what they started instead of leaving.
i am glad to hear good things about a program.but i dont believe a single word of it. i guess everybody who has bad to say is a liar.whatever! you can continue to lie to yourself if you want. that is exactly what i did. and for 18 yrs at that. i thoght my problems and the things going on in my head were just normal life. they got worse and worse. sure these "schools" educate you. ha! the education i got is not recognised anywhere. i had to go get my g.e.d. they did educate me on how to read people's actions, tone and body language. they did teach me to believe nothing anyone says. they taught me to trust no one. is this the education we want our children to get? the future leaders of our country? come on get real. one day you too will wake up. and it promises to be a rude awakening. as for people wishing they had not left, it's called stockholm syndrome. there is no good that comes of these places. they stripped me of my personality and replaced it with who they wanted me to be. a robot. get real your a liar .we will forgive you though for you know not what you say ,YET!!!!!!!!
I'm sorry to hear that your personal educational experience at Bethel wasn't very good, but I'm not sure what that has to do with Hyde School. Hyde is licensed in the state of Maine and accredited by the National Association of Independent Schools (and has been since day one). If you complete their academic program with passing grades, all colleges/universities will accept your transcript. I don't think we're talking in the same universe here. There are those here who criticize the Hyde academic program, but it served me well and except for the determined losers, it served those I attended with well also. Sorry I can't agree with your POV.
I second this opinion. It might not have had academic classes as it's primary focus, but it was more than adequate from my experience...
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No the content of the forum tells the whole story. Hyde is nothing but an abusive mindrape posing as a 'treatment center'.
I thought it was a school.
Schools educate kids. Hyde does not educate! The teachers stink. The ones who are qualified and good, leave within a year or two.
I went there for 3 years and graduated. Then went on to college, did fine, graduated. Then went on to graduate school, did fine, graduated. Hyde did OK by me and most of my classmates academically. You get out what you put into it.
What percentage of the Hyde class you started with graduated with you? How many dropped out/left Hyde? (Glad to know things worked out well for you.)
Probably about 10-15% left during Sr year to return to school at home or other school. Issues were too tough for them or they didn't want to face up to some ot the demands made on seniors, so they went back to the "easy" life in public school. A couple convinced their parents that they could do it without Hyde and wanted to prove it to themselves and their family. Most have since expressed the wish that they finished what they started instead of leaving.
i am glad to hear good things about a program.but i dont believe a single word of it. i guess everybody who has bad to say is a liar.whatever! you can continue to lie to yourself if you want. that is exactly what i did. and for 18 yrs at that. i thoght my problems and the things going on in my head were just normal life. they got worse and worse. sure these "schools" educate you. ha! the education i got is not recognised anywhere. i had to go get my g.e.d. they did educate me on how to read people's actions, tone and body language. they did teach me to believe nothing anyone says. they taught me to trust no one. is this the education we want our children to get? the future leaders of our country? come on get real. one day you too will wake up. and it promises to be a rude awakening. as for people wishing they had not left, it's called stockholm syndrome. there is no good that comes of these places. they stripped me of my personality and replaced it with who they wanted me to be. a robot. get real your a liar .we will forgive you though for you know not what you say ,YET!!!!!!!!
I'm sorry to hear that your personal educational experience at Bethel wasn't very good, but I'm not sure what that has to do with Hyde School. Hyde is licensed in the state of Maine and accredited by the National Association of Independent Schools (and has been since day one). If you complete their academic program with passing grades, all colleges/universities will accept your transcript. I don't think we're talking in the same universe here. There are those here who criticize the Hyde academic program, but it served me well and except for the determined losers, it served those I attended with well also. Sorry I can't agree with your POV.
I second this opinion. It might not have had academic classes as it's primary focus, but it was more than adequate from my experience...
If you are motivated to learn the teacher is almost irrelavent. I took over my senior year mathamatics class and gave lectures and worked problems. I was more gifted in the field than my math teacher.
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No the content of the forum tells the whole story. Hyde is nothing but an abusive mindrape posing as a 'treatment center'.
I thought it was a school.
Schools educate kids. Hyde does not educate! The teachers stink. The ones who are qualified and good, leave within a year or two.
I went there for 3 years and graduated. Then went on to college, did fine, graduated. Then went on to graduate school, did fine, graduated. Hyde did OK by me and most of my classmates academically. You get out what you put into it.
What percentage of the Hyde class you started with graduated with you? How many dropped out/left Hyde? (Glad to know things worked out well for you.)
Probably about 10-15% left during Sr year to return to school at home or other school. Issues were too tough for them or they didn't want to face up to some ot the demands made on seniors, so they went back to the "easy" life in public school. A couple convinced their parents that they could do it without Hyde and wanted to prove it to themselves and their family. Most have since expressed the wish that they finished what they started instead of leaving.
i am glad to hear good things about a program.but i dont believe a single word of it. i guess everybody who has bad to say is a liar.whatever! you can continue to lie to yourself if you want. that is exactly what i did. and for 18 yrs at that. i thoght my problems and the things going on in my head were just normal life. they got worse and worse. sure these "schools" educate you. ha! the education i got is not recognised anywhere. i had to go get my g.e.d. they did educate me on how to read people's actions, tone and body language. they did teach me to believe nothing anyone says. they taught me to trust no one. is this the education we want our children to get? the future leaders of our country? come on get real. one day you too will wake up. and it promises to be a rude awakening. as for people wishing they had not left, it's called stockholm syndrome. there is no good that comes of these places. they stripped me of my personality and replaced it with who they wanted me to be. a robot. get real your a liar .we will forgive you though for you know not what you say ,YET!!!!!!!!
I'm sorry to hear that your personal educational experience at Bethel wasn't very good, but I'm not sure what that has to do with Hyde School. Hyde is licensed in the state of Maine and accredited by the National Association of Independent Schools (and has been since day one). If you complete their academic program with passing grades, all colleges/universities will accept your transcript. I don't think we're talking in the same universe here. There are those here who criticize the Hyde academic program, but it served me well and except for the determined losers, it served those I attended with well also. Sorry I can't agree with your POV.
I second this opinion. It might not have had academic classes as it's primary focus, but it was more than adequate from my experience...
If you are motivated to learn the teacher is almost irrelavent. I took over my senior year mathamatics class and gave lectures and worked problems. I was more gifted in the field than my math teacher.
Exactly my point. The ones who can do well without much guidance are going to be able to go to college. The vast majority of the students at Hyde need extra help. This is not available and unless you are in the minority as it sounds you were, you will have major problems in a mainstream school after going to Hyde. Point is that Hyde should not advertise themselves as being a prep school nor should they mislead parents into believing that if the kid "gets Hyde" they will change with academics as well
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the most convincing thing i ever hear was in my sennior year when i went to a friends funeral(they had been at hyde in the past but not there for like 3 years) and i was speaking to an old friend of mine who had decided to not do his senior year at hyde but at public schoo;(this was a year after he was supposed to graduate) and he turned to me and said "the biggest mistake i made was not going back for my senior year" he meant it and i know he still regrets it cause senior year if you do it right helps out a lot and really settles people down, i have since graduated and where i go to school i am mistaken for young faculty by the way t hat i speak to other adults and the insight that i provide. i am not saying that i am a goody 2 shoes, o still go out and have fun and party but i also know how to control myself and i know that hyde helped to give me the confidence to do that.
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No the content of the forum tells the whole story. Hyde is nothing but an abusive mindrape posing as a 'treatment center'.
I thought it was a school.
Schools educate kids. Hyde does not educate! The teachers stink. The ones who are qualified and good, leave within a year or two.
I went there for 3 years and graduated. Then went on to college, did fine, graduated. Then went on to graduate school, did fine, graduated. Hyde did OK by me and most of my classmates academically. You get out what you put into it.
What percentage of the Hyde class you started with graduated with you? How many dropped out/left Hyde? (Glad to know things worked out well for you.)
Probably about 10-15% left during Sr year to return to school at home or other school. Issues were too tough for them or they didn't want to face up to some ot the demands made on seniors, so they went back to the "easy" life in public school. A couple convinced their parents that they could do it without Hyde and wanted to prove it to themselves and their family. Most have since expressed the wish that they finished what they started instead of leaving.
i am glad to hear good things about a program.but i dont believe a single word of it. i guess everybody who has bad to say is a liar.whatever! you can continue to lie to yourself if you want. that is exactly what i did. and for 18 yrs at that. i thoght my problems and the things going on in my head were just normal life. they got worse and worse. sure these "schools" educate you. ha! the education i got is not recognised anywhere. i had to go get my g.e.d. they did educate me on how to read people's actions, tone and body language. they did teach me to believe nothing anyone says. they taught me to trust no one. is this the education we want our children to get? the future leaders of our country? come on get real. one day you too will wake up. and it promises to be a rude awakening. as for people wishing they had not left, it's called stockholm syndrome. there is no good that comes of these places. they stripped me of my personality and replaced it with who they wanted me to be. a robot. get real your a liar .we will forgive you though for you know not what you say ,YET!!!!!!!!
I'm sorry to hear that your personal educational experience at Bethel wasn't very good, but I'm not sure what that has to do with Hyde School. Hyde is licensed in the state of Maine and accredited by the National Association of Independent Schools (and has been since day one). If you complete their academic program with passing grades, all colleges/universities will accept your transcript. I don't think we're talking in the same universe here. There are those here who criticize the Hyde academic program, but it served me well and except for the determined losers, it served those I attended with well also. Sorry I can't agree with your POV.
I second this opinion. It might not have had academic classes as it's primary focus, but it was more than adequate from my experience...
If you are motivated to learn the teacher is almost irrelavent. I took over my senior year mathamatics class and gave lectures and worked problems. I was more gifted in the field than my math teacher.
Exactly my point. The ones who can do well without much guidance are going to be able to go to college. The vast majority of the students at Hyde need extra help. This is not available and unless you are in the minority as it sounds you were, you will have major problems in a mainstream school after going to Hyde. Point is that Hyde should not advertise themselves as being a prep school nor should they mislead parents into believing that if the kid "gets Hyde" they will change with academics as well
No that was not your point at all. Your point was that the standard of teaching at hyde was poor. My point is that if you get the message of Hyde and become responisible for your own desitiny, it does not matter if your teacher sucks, you will learn. Abe Lincoln had practially no formal education and was one of the most gifted minds this nation has produced
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No that was not your point at all. Your point was that the standard of teaching at hyde was poor. My point is that if you get the message of Hyde and become responisible for your own desitiny, it does not matter if your teacher sucks, you will learn. Abe Lincoln had practially no formal education and was one of the most gifted minds this nation has produced
But doesn't Hyde advertise itself as a specialty school for kids who were having a difficult time in conventional schools? If they could just do it on their own, why would they need to be sent away to Hyde in the first place?
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No that was not your point at all. Your point was that the standard of teaching at hyde was poor. My point is that if you get the message of Hyde and become responisible for your own desitiny, it does not matter if your teacher sucks, you will learn. Abe Lincoln had practially no formal education and was one of the most gifted minds this nation has produced
But doesn't Hyde advertise itself as a specialty school for kids who were having a difficult time in conventional schools? If they could just do it on their own, why would they need to be sent away to Hyde in the first place?
One of the things you get from Hyde is the sense of self reliance/resposiblity. You would not / may not have that a priori. If you did you would be way up on the game. Viktor Frankel lesson is one of the lessons I got from Hyde. You always own your reaction, it is the one thing that can never be taken from you. If your teacher sucks and you want to learn and you don't, whos problem is it?
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Do you have any idea how retarded that is? By that logic, they can do ANYTHING to the students, and it's still their own fault. That's psychotically insane.
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Do you have any idea how retarded that is? By that logic, they can do ANYTHING to the students, and it's still their own fault. That's psychotically insane.
By retarded do you mean slow? Or perhaps you use the word as a perjoritive? Do you know how gay that is?
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Do you know how gay that is?[/quote]
Not that there's anything wrong with that...
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You better, idiot.
Here's a hint. Nobody gets paid to post their experiences. If they have a grudge against Hyde there is probably a reason for it. It's very hard to make this sort of thing up. Read the longer threads.
On the other hand, attempting to discredit these allegations probably benefits the original poster of this thread, which is why Hyde propaganda can be logically thrown out; they simply have no reason to tell the truth.
It doesn't work, of course, because no parent who reads even the slightest bit of Fornits is going to send his or her kid away. That's just plain simple. Nobody with half a brain is going to read pages and pages of allegations of abuse from all kinds of people with clearly different writing styles, and then say "well that's fine I'm sending my kid anyway."
In sum, eat a gun.
You make a very convincing argument... I'm convinced that disturbed people who don't belong at Hyde shouldn't go there...
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You better, idiot.
Here's a hint. Nobody gets paid to post their experiences. If they have a grudge against Hyde there is probably a reason for it. It's very hard to make this sort of thing up. Read the longer threads.
On the other hand, attempting to discredit these allegations probably benefits the original poster of this thread, which is why Hyde propaganda can be logically thrown out; they simply have no reason to tell the truth.
It doesn't work, of course, because no parent who reads even the slightest bit of Fornits is going to send his or her kid away. That's just plain simple. Nobody with half a brain is going to read pages and pages of allegations of abuse from all kinds of people with clearly different writing styles, and then say "well that's fine I'm sending my kid anyway."
In sum, eat a gun.
You make a very convincing argument... I'm convinced that disturbed people who don't belong at Hyde shouldn't go there...
I hope Mr Milk Gargle does not go there. He is not a very nice person. He seems very disturbed. Telling people to do bad things with guns. that is not very nice, is it?
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It's not very nice to keep a perv around who settled a case for sexual harassment against a female student. Not nice to pretend that nothing ever happened. Not nice to not inform the parents that this guy who SETTLED the suit and then was forced to resign is still hanging around campus all the time to 'visit his ex-wife and child'.
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It was the school that settled the case, not the perv, but it is true that he is around campus all the time. He lives in Hyde housing with his wife who is a teacher there. They had gotten divorced but are now remarried. You can read all about it in the Hyde Newsletter.
Hyde hosted the wedding of this PERVERT. What does that tell you about how serious Hyde takes sexual harassment complaints? If someone tries to infer that this was a one time incident, do not believe them. There were complaints for years about this Perv. It was brought to the schools attention after the lawsuit also, but their attitude seems to be that he has every right to participate at the school, live in school housing, and be a guest of the staff at functions related to his kids and also functions for staff.
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It was the school that settled the case, not the perv, but it is true that he is around campus all the time. He lives in Hyde housing with his wife who is a teacher there. They had gotten divorced but are now remarried. You can read all about it in the Hyde Newsletter.
Hyde hosted the wedding of this PERVERT. What does that tell you about how serious Hyde takes sexual harassment complaints? If someone tries to infer that this was a one time incident, do not believe them. There were complaints for years about this Perv. It was brought to the schools attention after the lawsuit also, but their attitude seems to be that he has every right to participate at the school, live in school housing, and be a guest of the staff at functions related to his kids and also functions for staff.
Hard to argue with that logic. I am not sure what they are thinking on that one.
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It speaks volumes. How the hell can they justify that? What does that say about their priorities? We know your kids' safety is NOT on the top of their list. Wonder if that insignificant little nugget of information is given out freely to the parents, both current and future marks?
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It was the school that settled the case, not the perv, but it is true that he is around campus all the time. He lives in Hyde housing with his wife who is a teacher there. They had gotten divorced but are now remarried. You can read all about it in the Hyde Newsletter.
Hyde hosted the wedding of this PERVERT. What does that tell you about how serious Hyde takes sexual harassment complaints? If someone tries to infer that this was a one time incident, do not believe them. There were complaints for years about this Perv. It was brought to the schools attention after the lawsuit also, but their attitude seems to be that he has every right to participate at the school, live in school housing, and be a guest of the staff at functions related to his kids and also functions for staff.
Sounds to me like you're a little obsessed with this alleged pervert. Whatsa matter, didn't he cozy up to you?
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See the Scary Larry post if that's what turns you on...
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Sounds to me like you're a little obsessed with this alleged pervert. Whatsa matter, didn't he cozy up to you?
Nice. Do you have any idea what this guy did?
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http://www.isaccorp.org/documentsam.asp#hyde (http://www.isaccorp.org/documentsam.asp#hyde)
If you are truly interested, go to the above website and read the documents
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They're not. The typical MO is to run in and post something witty like "Hyde is great" and leave. Either that or they just dismiss anyone with a complaint about Hyde as being "angry" and "disgruntled".
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They're not. The typical MO is to run in and post something witty like "Hyde is great" and leave. Either that or they just dismiss anyone with a complaint about Hyde as being "angry" and "disgruntled".
Hey Hyde is great. Don't listen to the angry disgruntled people that post here.
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http://www.isaccorp.org/documentsam.asp#hyde
If you are truly interested, go to the above website and read the documents
A bunch of meaningless crap at the site you refer to. Unsubstantiated (and likely fabricated/exaggerated) claims and no legal finding. Again, anyone can make things up (and even believe them in their own mind), but proving it in a court is a whole 'nother ball game. Yes, the case was settled by Hyde to reduce their financial losses, at the advice of counsel. But the settling plaintiff party got money, not a legal finding (if in fact their charges were even true in the first place) and there is no determination as to what "really" happened. This individual is no longer in a position of authority over kids at Hyde and probably will never be. If this persone were a convicted pedophile, then they should absolutely be banned from the campus and be on a sex offender registry. But to continue persecuting him based on the he said/she said of a disturbed teenage girl and her even more disturbed parent just isn't right. If there are confirmed cases of his continued inappropriate behavior, then perhaps there's a matter to discuss. But there doesn't seem to be any smoke here (except from what you're smoking), let alone fire. Sorry, I don't agree with you or your practices here.
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http://www.isaccorp.org/documentsam.asp#hyde
If you are truly interested, go to the above website and read the documents
A bunch of meaningless crap at the site you refer to. Unsubstantiated (and likely fabricated/exaggerated) claims and no legal finding. Again, anyone can make things up (and even believe them in their own mind), but proving it in a court is a whole 'nother ball game. Yes, the case was settled by Hyde to reduce their financial losses, at the advice of counsel. But the settling plaintiff party got money, not a legal finding (if in fact their charges were even true in the first place) and there is no determination as to what "really" happened. This individual is no longer in a position of authority over kids at Hyde and probably will never be. If this persone were a convicted pedophile, then they should absolutely be banned from the campus and be on a sex offender registry. But to continue persecuting him based on the he said/she said of a disturbed teenage girl and her even more disturbed parent just isn't right. If there are confirmed cases of his continued inappropriate behavior, then perhaps there's a matter to discuss. But there doesn't seem to be any smoke here (except from what you're smoking), let alone fire. Sorry, I don't agree with you or your practices here.
Good points. But don't you think it creates an appearance iimpropriety to has Larry on campus?
On the other hand it, it is good that hyde is not tossing him as damaged goods and standing by him as part of the family, if he is in fact dealing with any alledged problems he may have had.
I think alot of the crap posted here on the subject is just that. There are a group of folk with a "woodie" for Hyde and will grab anything that smells bad and say "see I told you Hyde was fucked up"
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http://www.isaccorp.org/documentsam.asp#hyde
If you are truly interested, go to the above website and read the documents
A bunch of meaningless crap at the site you refer to. Unsubstantiated (and likely fabricated/exaggerated) claims and no legal finding. Again, anyone can make things up (and even believe them in their own mind), but proving it in a court is a whole 'nother ball game. Yes, the case was settled by Hyde to reduce their financial losses, at the advice of counsel. But the settling plaintiff party got money, not a legal finding (if in fact their charges were even true in the first place) and there is no determination as to what "really" happened. This individual is no longer in a position of authority over kids at Hyde and probably will never be. If this persone were a convicted pedophile, then they should absolutely be banned from the campus and be on a sex offender registry. But to continue persecuting him based on the he said/she said of a disturbed teenage girl and her even more disturbed parent just isn't right. If there are confirmed cases of his continued inappropriate behavior, then perhaps there's a matter to discuss. But there doesn't seem to be any smoke here (except from what you're smoking), let alone fire. Sorry, I don't agree with you or your practices here.
Good points. But don't you think it creates an appearance iimpropriety to has Larry on campus?
On the other hand it, it is good that hyde is not tossing him as damaged goods and standing by him as part of the family, if he is in fact dealing with any alledged problems he may have had.
I think alot of the crap posted here on the subject is just that. There are a group of folk with a "woodie" for Hyde and will grab anything that smells bad and say "see I told you Hyde was fucked up"
What evidence do you have that the student and parent are both "disturbed"? Those are pretty strong claims. Isn't it possible that they have legitimate complaints to make against Hyde? I'm willing to believe that some Hyde critiques may exaggerate, but I know, based on what I've observed first hand, that some of the serious complaints against Hyde are absolutely valid. They don't necessarily come via "disturbed" parents or students.
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Oh, but it's so much easier to distract from the truth by going after the 'easy targets' (pissed off kids, parents). That way they don't have to face up to what they've done. They can just write off any criticism at all and stay in fantasyland.
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http://www.isaccorp.org/documentsam.asp#hyde
If you are truly interested, go to the above website and read the documents
A bunch of meaningless crap at the site you refer to. Unsubstantiated (and likely fabricated/exaggerated) claims and no legal finding. Again, anyone can make things up (and even believe them in their own mind), but proving it in a court is a whole 'nother ball game. Yes, the case was settled by Hyde to reduce their financial losses, at the advice of counsel. But the settling plaintiff party got money, not a legal finding (if in fact their charges were even true in the first place) and there is no determination as to what "really" happened. This individual is no longer in a position of authority over kids at Hyde and probably will never be. If this persone were a convicted pedophile, then they should absolutely be banned from the campus and be on a sex offender registry. But to continue persecuting him based on the he said/she said of a disturbed teenage girl and her even more disturbed parent just isn't right. If there are confirmed cases of his continued inappropriate behavior, then perhaps there's a matter to discuss. But there doesn't seem to be any smoke here (except from what you're smoking), let alone fire. Sorry, I don't agree with you or your practices here.
Good points. But don't you think it creates an appearance iimpropriety to has Larry on campus?
On the other hand it, it is good that hyde is not tossing him as damaged goods and standing by him as part of the family, if he is in fact dealing with any alledged problems he may have had.
I think alot of the crap posted here on the subject is just that. There are a group of folk with a "woodie" for Hyde and will grab anything that smells bad and say "see I told you Hyde was fucked up"
How is it "likely fabricated, exaggerated?" How do you have this first hand knowledge? Please tell us!
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How is it "likely fabricated, exaggerated?" How do you have this first hand knowledge? Please tell us!
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How is it "likely fabricated, exaggerated?" How do you have this first hand knowledge? Please tell us!
If it were legit, ther would have been a police investigation and charges. Otherwise, not much there of substance to castrate someone for...
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How is it "likely fabricated, exaggerated?" How do you have this first hand knowledge? Please tell us!
If it were legit, ther would have been a police investigation and charges. Otherwise, not much there of substance to castrate someone for...
Again you did not answer my question. Where is your knowledge coming from? How do you know there was not an investigation or charges? Are you Larry Dubinsky? If not, how do you know what happened?
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How is it "likely fabricated, exaggerated?" How do you have this first hand knowledge? Please tell us!
If it were legit, ther would have been a police investigation and charges. Otherwise, not much there of substance to castrate someone for...
Again you did not answer my question. Where is your knowledge coming from? How do you know there was not an investigation or charges? Are you Larry Dubinsky? If not, how do you know what happened?
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How is it "likely fabricated, exaggerated?" How do you have this first hand knowledge? Please tell us!
If it were legit, ther would have been a police investigation and charges. Otherwise, not much there of substance to castrate someone for...
Go castrate yourself. If you have anything at all to do with the school you know he is a pervert in the worst way possible! Who cares who proves what, the guy is a sicko!! Not rumor, fact.
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Not rumor, fact.
Let's hear your "facts", and not "She told me this...", or "I heard that...", or "So and so told me that he...". If you're going to destroy someone's reputation and forbid them from living with or visiting their family, you need a little more than opinions and heresay... enough that you affect their career and livelihood, maybe?
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Not rumor, fact.
Let's hear your "facts", and not "She told me this...", or "I heard that...", or "So and so told me that he...". If you're going to destroy someone's reputation and forbid them from living with or visiting their family, you need a little more than opinions and heresay... enough that you affect their career and livelihood, maybe?
You talk about destroying someone's reputation and affecting their livelihood and career. Are you saying he should be allowed back to work at Hyde? Should we give him a job coaching girls varsity again so he can give backrubs and cop a feel whenever he can?
What about destroying the reputation of the girl who you say fabricated this story? It is ok for you to attack someone, but not ok for someone on this board to make their own claims? Please tell us if, and how you are related to the Hyde Schools? I am not afraid to say that I am a former student and a friend of a couple of girls who made serious claims while I was at Hyde. One student, (a boy) even confronted Larry in the auditorium in front of the entire school and said, "You make the girls here very uncomfortable and it needs to stop." Hello??? Is this enough for you? Why were these claims not made about other faculty? Where there is smoke, there is fire.
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Not rumor, fact.
Let's hear your "facts", and not "She told me this...", or "I heard that...", or "So and so told me that he...". If you're going to destroy someone's reputation and forbid them from living with or visiting their family, you need a little more than opinions and heresay... enough that you affect their career and livelihood, maybe?
The FACT is that either he or the school settled a sexual harassment case against him. Are they telling current and propective marks that this guy is frequently on campus? Wouldn't you agree that those parents and kids at the very least have the right to know that?
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Not rumor, fact.
Let's hear your "facts", and not "She told me this...", or "I heard that...", or "So and so told me that he...". If you're going to destroy someone's reputation and forbid them from living with or visiting their family, you need a little more than opinions and heresay... enough that you affect their career and livelihood, maybe?
The FACT is that either he or the school settled a sexual harassment case against him. Are they telling current and propective marks that this guy is frequently on campus? Wouldn't you agree that those parents and kids at the very least have the right to know that?
This sounds like someone who doesn't want to take responsibility for their own doing. Seems to me that it would be very difficult for someone to affect someone else's career or livelihood unless there was some truth to it.
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Not rumor, fact.
Let's hear your "facts", and not "She told me this...", or "I heard that...", or "So and so told me that he...". If you're going to destroy someone's reputation and forbid them from living with or visiting their family, you need a little more than opinions and heresay... enough that you affect their career and livelihood, maybe?
You talk about destroying someone's reputation and affecting their livelihood and career. Are you saying he should be allowed back to work at Hyde? Should we give him a job coaching girls varsity again so he can give backrubs and cop a feel whenever he can?
What about destroying the reputation of the girl who you say fabricated this story? It is ok for you to attack someone, but not ok for someone on this board to make their own claims? Please tell us if, and how you are related to the Hyde Schools? I am not afraid to say that I am a former student and a friend of a couple of girls who made serious claims while I was at Hyde. One student, (a boy) even confronted Larry in the auditorium in front of the entire school and said, "You make the girls here very uncomfortable and it needs to stop." Hello??? Is this enough for you? Why were these claims not made about other faculty? Where there is smoke, there is fire.
Still don't see any facts or personal testimonials here. I don't know the girl in question personally, so I can't attest to whether or not she (or her mom) are as disturbed as I hear they are. My point is that it doesn't matter, a disturbed person or a rational one can file a civil lawsuit and wreak havoc on the defendents life, putting them at-risk economically. If you've never been a defendant in a frivolous lawsuit, you don't know what I mean.
So because a "brave" boy confronts Scary Larry in front of the school telling him he makes the girs "uncomfortable", he's now classified a pedophile. Sounds to me like maybe he refused to acknowldege the inappropriateness of some of his behaviors, and now he is in a different line of work. Should he ever work in a position of authority over young girls, probably not. Did Hyde perhaps let things go on longer than they should have. Probably. Did they learn from it. I bet they did. I don;t see where he is in a position to hurt anyone at this point, but if there were any allegations of inappropriate behavior hereforward, I would agree that he probably would and should earn himself a campus ban, regardless of his family ties. But again, I've yet to see/hear any substantive allegations here about his prior behavior, except that he was "creepy". That's not a crime last time I checked...
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Again with the bit about anyone who has a complaint about Hyde is just angry, disgruntled or disturbed. :roll:
Did Hyde make the parents aware of the situation with Larry? Did they inform the parents that a harassment suit had been settled and that Larry would continue to be allowed free access to the campus? Isn't that the very LEAST that Hyde owes the parents and kids?
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Not rumor, fact.
Let's hear your "facts", and not "She told me this...", or "I heard that...", or "So and so told me that he...". If you're going to destroy someone's reputation and forbid them from living with or visiting their family, you need a little more than opinions and heresay... enough that you affect their career and livelihood, maybe?
You talk about destroying someone's reputation and affecting their livelihood and career. Are you saying he should be allowed back to work at Hyde? Should we give him a job coaching girls varsity again so he can give backrubs and cop a feel whenever he can?
What about destroying the reputation of the girl who you say fabricated this story? It is ok for you to attack someone, but not ok for someone on this board to make their own claims? Please tell us if, and how you are related to the Hyde Schools? I am not afraid to say that I am a former student and a friend of a couple of girls who made serious claims while I was at Hyde. One student, (a boy) even confronted Larry in the auditorium in front of the entire school and said, "You make the girls here very uncomfortable and it needs to stop." Hello??? Is this enough for you? Why were these claims not made about other faculty? Where there is smoke, there is fire.
This reminds me of that politician in Florida who wrote innappropriate emails to underage interns. He is plastered all over the news each day and we don't know that he even touched anyone. This is e-mails only at this point.
According to several people on this site, there is no doubt that the teacher Dubinsky was more than innappropriate with the female students yet some arrogant jerk is trying to disclaim it because there is no physcial proof other than the girls word as well as many students backing it up. A Psychologist once told me that if a kid tells you they have been molested, listen to them. Most kids do not want to come forward when something like this happens which is why it is so under reported.
By the way, the lawsuit posted on http://www.isaccorp.org/ (http://www.isaccorp.org/) is pretty darn specific. Hard to believe someone would make something up like this. I am not saying it doesn't happen, but I strongly suggest investigating Hyde further before placing a child there.
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Not rumor, fact.
Let's hear your "facts", and not "She told me this...", or "I heard that...", or "So and so told me that he...". If you're going to destroy someone's reputation and forbid them from living with or visiting their family, you need a little more than opinions and heresay... enough that you affect their career and livelihood, maybe?
You talk about destroying someone's reputation and affecting their livelihood and career. Are you saying he should be allowed back to work at Hyde? Should we give him a job coaching girls varsity again so he can give backrubs and cop a feel whenever he can?
What about destroying the reputation of the girl who you say fabricated this story? It is ok for you to attack someone, but not ok for someone on this board to make their own claims? Please tell us if, and how you are related to the Hyde Schools? I am not afraid to say that I am a former student and a friend of a couple of girls who made serious claims while I was at Hyde. One student, (a boy) even confronted Larry in the auditorium in front of the entire school and said, "You make the girls here very uncomfortable and it needs to stop." Hello??? Is this enough for you? Why were these claims not made about other faculty? Where there is smoke, there is fire.
This reminds me of that politician in Florida who wrote innappropriate emails to underage interns. He is plastered all over the news each day and we don't know that he even touched anyone. This is e-mails only at this point.
According to several people on this site, there is no doubt that the teacher Dubinsky was more than innappropriate with the female students yet some arrogant jerk is trying to disclaim it because there is no physcial proof other than the girls word as well as many students backing it up. A Psychologist once told me that if a kid tells you they have been molested, listen to them. Most kids do not want to come forward when something like this happens which is why it is so under reported.
By the way, the lawsuit posted on http://www.isaccorp.org/ (http://www.isaccorp.org/) is pretty darn specific. Hard to believe someone would make something up like this. I am not saying it doesn't happen, but I strongly suggest investigating Hyde further before placing a child there.
The emails in Florida are proof. The heresay posted here, and even the accusations in the lawsuit are not proof, and may not even be factual. I don't think that asking for some facts or proof makes someone an arrogant jerk. Too many people "interpret" things here to further their own viewpoint and that's why I would call into question accusations made on this site. It goes back to the topic of this post.
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Does Hyde inform parents of the settled lawsuit? I keep asking this and never get an answer. Again, don't you think that's the very least Hyde owes the parents and staff?
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Does Hyde inform parents of the settled lawsuit? I keep asking this and never get an answer. Again, don't you think that's the very least Hyde owes the parents and staff?
Settled means settled. Hyde doesn't owe this to anyone, although I'm sure something was learrned from it. If he were a registered sex offender, perhaps. But a determination was never reached, there's no verdict. Maybe the plaintiff could take some of their "windfall" and pay for some advertising on ISACCORP?
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Even though he continues to have open access to the campus? Wow. Just wow. I really don't even know what more to say. If that's the kind of mentality that Hyde has towards keeping their charges safe then no wonder these parents are so freaked out. :scared: :scared: :o ::jawdrop:: ::noway::
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Does Hyde inform parents of the settled lawsuit? I keep asking this and never get an answer. Again, don't you think that's the very least Hyde owes the parents and staff?
Settled means settled. Hyde doesn't owe this to anyone, although I'm sure something was learrned from it. If he were a registered sex offender, perhaps. But a determination was never reached, there's no verdict. Maybe the plaintiff could take some of their "windfall" and pay for some advertising on ISACCORP?
You seem to have first hand knowledge about this. You have been asked on several ocassions what your association to the school is. You obviously don't want to tell us your name, but at least tell us if you are a faculty member, former student, or parent.
The plaintiff seems to be a young person, (don't remember when this lawsuit happened) so why would they have any need for advertising? Is this your way of being humorous? Is it a common trait of people associated with Hyde to make jokes about sexual harassment of young female students?
It would be appreciated if you would answer these questions
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It would be appreciated if you would see a therapist for help instead of hanging onto this board. And if you already are seeing one, then perhaps increasing your weekly visits might be called for.
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It would be appreciated if you would see a therapist for help instead of hanging onto this board. And if you already are seeing one, then perhaps increasing your weekly visits might be called for.
Or just go away.
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Does Hyde inform parents of the settled lawsuit? I keep asking this and never get an answer. Again, don't you think that's the very least Hyde owes the parents and staff?
Settled means settled. Hyde doesn't owe this to anyone, although I'm sure something was learrned from it. If he were a registered sex offender, perhaps. But a determination was never reached, there's no verdict. Maybe the plaintiff could take some of their "windfall" and pay for some advertising on ISACCORP?
You seem to have first hand knowledge about this. You have been asked on several ocassions what your association to the school is. You obviously don't want to tell us your name, but at least tell us if you are a faculty member, former student, or parent.
The plaintiff seems to be a young person, (don't remember when this lawsuit happened) so why would they have any need for advertising? Is this your way of being humorous? Is it a common trait of people associated with Hyde to make jokes about sexual harassment of young female students?
It would be appreciated if you would answer these questions
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I am one of the many who were approached by this same teacher at Hyde. The people who are discounting his actions can stick it! I didn't consider it natural to be asked to sit on his lap. He tried getting a cheap feel every chance he got. Keep defending him you morons. Hyde sucks!
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I am one of the many who were approached by this same teacher at Hyde. The people who are discounting his actions can stick it! I didn't consider it natural to be asked to sit on his lap. He tried getting a cheap feel every chance he got. Keep defending him you morons. Hyde sucks!
Did you give him a cheep feel?
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How cheep is cheep? 50 cents?
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Let's give thanks on this holiday that by the grace of G-d no one has been killed yet at Hyde Schools. At least not that we know of!!
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Let's give thanks on this holiday that by the grace of G-d no one has been killed yet at Hyde Schools. At least not that we know of!!
There's a difference between physical death and emotional death. I know people who crawled out of Hyde feeling emotionally dead because of the incompetence and cruelty at Hyde that's experienced by too many students and parents.
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Hopefully those affected in a negative way by Hyde will grow in spite of Hyde. It seems that many times Hyde attributes someone's growth to being at Hyde when in actuality it is just plain maturity and growing up, with or without Hyde. Parents, keep your kids at home and participate in therapy with them. No reason to send them to a boarding school to "fix" the problems you might have helped create. If you do love your kids, you will keep them home and not send them to a place like Hyde. My opinion is that your money is much better spent on individual therapy.
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Hopefully those affected in a negative way by Hyde will grow in spite of Hyde. It seems that many times Hyde attributes someone's growth to being at Hyde when in actuality it is just plain maturity and growing up, with or without Hyde. Parents, keep your kids at home and participate in therapy with them. No reason to send them to a boarding school to "fix" the problems you might have helped create. If you do love your kids, you will keep them home and not send them to a place like Hyde. My opinion is that your money is much better spent on individual therapy.
Sounds like you're a therapist or could use one anyway...
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Sounds like you're a therapist or could use one anyway...
What's that supposed to mean?
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I went there. It is a school that helps kids get on track. It wasn't perfect, but it was a good experience for many.
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I went there. It is a school that helps kids get on track. It wasn't perfect, but it was a good experience for many.
Was this anything like your experience?
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t= ... sc&start=0 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=19252&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0)
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I went there. It is a school that helps kids get on track. It wasn't perfect, but it was a good experience for many.
Was this anything like your experience?
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t= ... sc&start=0 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=19252&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0)
That was me.
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I went there. It is a school that helps kids get on track. It wasn't perfect, but it was a good experience for many.
Was this anything like your experience?
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t= ... sc&start=0 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=19252&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0)
That was me.
I haven't been to Hyde but when I read through these threads (especially things like this http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=19252&start=0 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=19252&start=0) ) it sounds very much like Straight. It's not just a few things here and there. Joe Gauld sounds very much like Miller Newton....a malignant narcissist. The whole structure of Hyde follows the same pattern that Straight did. The similarities are too great to ignore.
Make up your mind... was it you, was it your imagination or was it a drug-addled combination of both... or do you just like to judge something that you don't know ANYTHING about except from the trash you read here... Have a nice day jerk-off...
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Make up your mind... was it you, was it your imagination or was it a drug-addled combination of both... or do you just like to judge something that you don't know ANYTHING about except from the trash you read here... Have a nice day jerk-off...
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First, learn to use the quote feature properly before attempting to use it.
Second, where the hell did that come from? Did it occur to you that there might be more than one person posting here? Why do you consider anything written here as trash? Each person's experience is valuable, yours included. You just can't seem to be able to tolerate anyone having an experience or opinion that differs from yours. Did you learn that at Hyde?
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Make up your mind... was it you, was it your imagination or was it a drug-addled combination of both... or do you just like to judge something that you don't know ANYTHING about except from the trash you read here... Have a nice day jerk-off...
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First, learn to use the quote feature properly before attempting to use it.
Second, where the hell did that come from? Did it occur to you that there might be more than one person posting here? Why do you consider anything written here as trash? Each person's experience is valuable, yours included. You just can't seem to be able to tolerate anyone having an experience or opinion that differs from yours. Did you learn that at Hyde?
No... I learned it from you...
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Make up your mind... was it you, was it your imagination or was it a drug-addled combination of both... or do you just like to judge something that you don't know ANYTHING about except from the trash you read here... Have a nice day jerk-off...
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First, learn to use the quote feature properly before attempting to use it.
Second, where the hell did that come from? Did it occur to you that there might be more than one person posting here? Why do you consider anything written here as trash? Each person's experience is valuable, yours included. You just can't seem to be able to tolerate anyone having an experience or opinion that differs from yours. Did you learn that at Hyde?
No... I learned it from you...
NO..... he/she learned it at Hyde. The place is endemic with a complete intolerance of differing viewpoints. An unformed person, still learning, growing up... It is we (older, wiser) who must be tolerant. Not worth responding to, just move on Anne! 8-)
-Manny Rivers (2X)
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Oh Manny... you're so WISE! And FORMED. You're my hero!!
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NO..... he/she learned it at Hyde. The place is endemic with a complete intolerance of differing viewpoints. An unformed person, still learning, growing up... It is we (older, wiser) who must be tolerant. Not worth responding to, just move on Anne! 8-)
-Manny Rivers (2X)
But Manny that's precisely why[/b] I think it's important to respond to these posts. :D It really shows the mentality that comes out of places like that. They absolutely cannot hold a conversation with anyone that isn't lockstep in line with their way of thinking.
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NO..... he/she learned it at Hyde. The place is endemic with a complete intolerance of differing viewpoints. An unformed person, still learning, growing up... It is we (older, wiser) who must be tolerant. Not worth responding to, just move on Anne! 8-)
-Manny Rivers (2X)
But Manny that's precisely why[/b] I think it's important to respond to these posts. :D It really shows the mentality that comes out of places like that. They absolutely cannot hold a conversation with anyone that isn't lockstep in line with their way of thinking.
Anne,
Funny, I find that mind set present in the Hyde bashers as well. People that adhere to a dogma tend to be doctrinaire. Kind of like Fox News "We instruct You Obey" http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Fox_News (http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Fox_News)
Niel Loughjizm
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Anne,
Funny, I find that mind set present in the Hyde bashers as well. People that adhere to a dogma tend to be doctrinaire. Kind of like Fox News "We instruct You Obey" http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Fox_News (http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Fox_News)
Niel Loughjizm
Niel, instead of just trading insults, I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=17128&start=60 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=17128&start=60)
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Anne,
Funny, I find that mind set present in the Hyde bashers as well. People that adhere to a dogma tend to be doctrinaire. Kind of like Fox News "We instruct You Obey" http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Fox_News (http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Fox_News)
Niel Loughjizm
Niel, instead of just trading insults, I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=17128&start=60 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=17128&start=60)
Interesting post. BTW I am not insulting you. I am challenging you to confront your dogmatism.
N. Loughjizm
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Anne,
Funny, I find that mind set present in the Hyde bashers as well. People that adhere to a dogma tend to be doctrinaire. Kind of like Fox News "We instruct You Obey" http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Fox_News (http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Fox_News)
Niel Loughjizm
Niel, instead of just trading insults, I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=17128&start=60 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=17128&start=60)
IT looks like a swip at the 7-'s headmaster Ed Ledd, by some poor sap that still has issues three decades later. He should see some one about that.
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IT looks like a swip at the 7-'s headmaster Ed Ledd, by some poor sap that still has issues three decades later. He should see some one about that.
What's a swip? I meant the entire thread, but once again you're not interested at all in an actual discussion. That seems to be a problem with most of you that support Hyde. You come on here, say a few nasty things, call everyone liars and losers and then run away when pressed for real answers. I've yet to find someone who is willing to just have a dialogue.
Yes, I've got my opinions of Hyde and they're not good, but I don't know all there is to know about it. That's why I ask. I do not believe that's it's helpful or even benign but I'd really like to find out why YOU do and get into specifics about it. If and when you find the guts to do that, let me know.
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IT looks like a swip at the 7-'s headmaster Ed Ledd, by some poor sap that still has issues three decades later. He should see some one about that.
What's a swip? I meant the entire thread, but once again you're not interested at all in an actual discussion. That seems to be a problem with most of you that support Hyde. You come on here, say a few nasty things, call everyone liars and losers and then run away when pressed for real answers. I've yet to find someone who is willing to just have a dialogue.
Yes, I've got my opinions of Hyde and they're not good, but I don't know all there is to know about it. That's why I ask. I do not believe that's it's helpful or even benign but I'd really like to find out why YOU do and get into specifics about it. If and when you find the guts to do that, let me know.
If you've yet to find anyone willing to have a dialogue with you, perhaps you should look at the way you attack anyone and everyone and your crappy persona. Why would anyone want to waste their time in discussion with someone so negative, unpleasant and condescending, unless they are at the same place themselves and just want to share the Hyde-bashing with other ill-informed and angry folks like yourself.
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IT looks like a swip at the 7-'s headmaster Ed Ledd, by some poor sap that still has issues three decades later. He should see some one about that.
What's a swip? I meant the entire thread, but once again you're not interested at all in an actual discussion. That seems to be a problem with most of you that support Hyde. You come on here, say a few nasty things, call everyone liars and losers and then run away when pressed for real answers. I've yet to find someone who is willing to just have a dialogue.
Yes, I've got my opinions of Hyde and they're not good, but I don't know all there is to know about it. That's why I ask. I do not believe that's it's helpful or even benign but I'd really like to find out why YOU do and get into specifics about it. If and when you find the guts to do that, let me know.
There were parts of it that were truely screwed up when I was there. I think some of those things are stil screwed up AFAIKT. My sense is that there is still the impulse to put personallity before principle. I think you can see that manifested in the incestous power structure. The fact that there is no alum measurment of outcomes in the things that Hyde claims it is doing is a clear indication (IMHO) that there is some snake oil in the mix. There has been some real quantitative analysis of the effect of social intervention on a dollar cost/benefit of public spending in human services:
Link (http://http://scholar.google.com/scholar%3Fq%3Dmeasurement+of+outcomes+in+social+work%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3D3BP%26oi%3Dscholart)
Hyde could do this. But instead it is dropping something on the order of a million a year in fund raising. Which BTW seems to be netting a 1:15 return (good work Mal !) It is really difficult to know what works if you do not measeure outcomes. If you do not know what works and what doesn't you can't improve your process. One of the big "star" poster kids of my era have ended up dead from substance abuse. What went wrong there? There is always an explaination: you did not really get the program, you did not come too terms , etc, etc. If you succeed it is because you got it, if you fail it is because you did not. Which in a way is true, but the "it" my friend is not Hyde.
Yet, from my view point it was a good experience. I was resistant to a lot of the charater innoculations which in a very odd way was one of the biggest charater building experiences of my life. There is so much in life that you really need to "prepare a face to meet the faces that you meet" I learned game face at Hyde and the poem from which I quote:
http://www.bartleby.com/198/1.html (http://www.bartleby.com/198/1.html)
So I am not un unabashed Hyde cheerleader. I do take umbridge, Anne, with people that bash the place and do not know that there is no Bath/Phillipsburg exit off route 1, there is a Bath/Phippsburg exit. I also what you to know that Phippsburg was named after William Phipps the first Royal governor of Massachusetts:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Phips I learned that from a Teacher named Bud.
Niel Loughjizm
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If you've yet to find anyone willing to have a dialogue with you, perhaps you should look at the way you attack anyone and everyone and your crappy persona. Why would anyone want to waste their time in discussion with someone so negative, unpleasant and condescending, unless they are at the same place themselves and just want to share the Hyde-bashing with other ill-informed and angry folks like yourself.
No, you're lumping me in with everyone on this site. We're not all alike, we don't all carry on conversations the same way.
So, I'm asking. Are you ready or willing to discuss Hyde in a rational manner and answer some questions? If someone else comes along and is an asshole, all you really need to do is not respond to those posts. If you're truly interested in discussing this instead of just running in and calling everyone a bunch of names, you'll find a way to do that.
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...I also what you to know that Phippsburg was named after William Phipps the first Royal governor of Massachusetts:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Phips I learned that from a Teacher named Bud.
Niel Loughjizm
...well, that might be due to Maine's actually being part of Massachusetts in the (very) early days... ;->
[I'm guessing you went to school with Bud's daughter Cindy? (sp?)]
-Manny Rivers (2X)
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...I also what you to know that Phippsburg was named after William Phipps the first Royal governor of Massachusetts:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Phips I learned that from a Teacher named Bud.
Niel Loughjizm
...well, that might be due to Maine's actually being part of Massachusetts in the (very) early days... ;->
[I'm guessing you went to school with Bud's daughter Cindy? (sp?)]
-Manny Rivers (2X)
Yes Cindy and Lenny and the girl in the middle who's name I can not pull up at the moment but I can see her in my mind. Any you remember the story of Lenny and the Warren's and Joe?
I remember Cindy singing a song called the "Blue Clister Blues" while waxing her cross country skis.
Niel
Niel
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...I also what you to know that Phippsburg was named after William Phipps the first Royal governor of Massachusetts:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Phips I learned that from a Teacher named Bud.
Niel Loughjizm
...well, that might be due to Maine's actually being part of Massachusetts in the (very) early days... ;->
[I'm guessing you went to school with Bud's daughter Cindy? (sp?)]
-Manny Rivers (2X)
Yes Cindy and Lenny and the girl in the middle who's name I can not pull up at the moment but I can see her in my mind. Any you remember the story of Lenny and the Warren's and Joe?
I remember Cindy singing a song called the "Blue Clister Blues" while waxing her cross country skis.
Niel
Niel
so sorry, but don't... Do tell?
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...I also what you to know that Phippsburg was named after William Phipps the first Royal governor of Massachusetts:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Phips I learned that from a Teacher named Bud.
Niel Loughjizm
...well, that might be due to Maine's actually being part of Massachusetts in the (very) early days... ;->
[I'm guessing you went to school with Bud's daughter Cindy? (sp?)]
-Manny Rivers (2X)
Yes Cindy and Lenny and the girl in the middle who's name I can not pull up at the moment but I can see her in my mind. Any you remember the story of Lenny and the Warren's and Joe?
I remember Cindy singing a song called the "Blue Clister Blues" while waxing her cross country skis.
Niel
Niel
so sorry, but don't... Do tell?
Lenny ran away from hyde. Hyde was not a good fit for him. The Warrens let Lenny back into thier house. The Warrens were forced out of the school. Bud was one of the originals in '66. I my estimation the most well balanced of the founders, witness the fact that he chose his son over the school dogma.
Niel
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...I also what you to know that Phippsburg was named after William Phipps the first Royal governor of Massachusetts:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Phips I learned that from a Teacher named Bud.
Niel Loughjizm
...well, that might be due to Maine's actually being part of Massachusetts in the (very) early days... ;->
[I'm guessing you went to school with Bud's daughter Cindy? (sp?)]
-Manny Rivers (2X)
Yes Cindy and Lenny and the girl in the middle who's name I can not pull up at the moment but I can see her in my mind. Any you remember the story of Lenny and the Warren's and Joe?
I remember Cindy singing a song called the "Blue Clister Blues" while waxing her cross country skis.
Niel
Niel
so sorry, but don't... Do tell?
Lenny ran away from hyde. Hyde was not a good fit for him. The Warrens let Lenny back into thier house. The Warrens were forced out of the school. Bud was one of the originals in '66. I my estimation the most well balanced of the founders, witness the fact that he chose his son over the school dogma.
Niel
Now that you describe the scenario, I can vaguely remember... And I concur with your impression of the Warrens. Infinitely less histrionics... The mother was the school nurse, if I remember correctly? Also, IIRC, they were from Maine?
Brings to mind another such... Aldridge; don't remember his first name. Daughter Abby attended for a while, did not stay the course. Very interesting, independent, and intelligent family. Mother was a former dancer and very creative.
Always felt that Hyde really short-changed these families...
-Manny Rivers (2X)
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...I also what you to know that Phippsburg was named after William Phipps the first Royal governor of Massachusetts:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Phips I learned that from a Teacher named Bud.
Niel Loughjizm
...well, that might be due to Maine's actually being part of Massachusetts in the (very) early days... ;->
[I'm guessing you went to school with Bud's daughter Cindy? (sp?)]
-Manny Rivers (2X)
Yes Cindy and Lenny and the girl in the middle who's name I can not pull up at the moment but I can see her in my mind. Any you remember the story of Lenny and the Warren's and Joe?
I remember Cindy singing a song called the "Blue Clister Blues" while waxing her cross country skis.
Niel
Niel
The girl in the middle was Jane...
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...I also what you to know that Phippsburg was named after William Phipps the first Royal governor of Massachusetts:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Phips I learned that from a Teacher named Bud.
Niel Loughjizm
...well, that might be due to Maine's actually being part of Massachusetts in the (very) early days... ;->
[I'm guessing you went to school with Bud's daughter Cindy? (sp?)]
-Manny Rivers (2X)
Yes Cindy and Lenny and the girl in the middle who's name I can not pull up at the moment but I can see her in my mind. Any you remember the story of Lenny and the Warren's and Joe?
I remember Cindy singing a song called the "Blue Clister Blues" while waxing her cross country skis.
Niel
Niel
so sorry, but don't... Do tell?
Lenny ran away from hyde. Hyde was not a good fit for him. The Warrens let Lenny back into thier house. The Warrens were forced out of the school. Bud was one of the originals in '66. I my estimation the most well balanced of the founders, witness the fact that he chose his son over the school dogma.
Niel
Now that you describe the scenario, I can vaguely remember... And I concur with your impression of the Warrens. Infinitely less histrionics... The mother was the school nurse, if I remember correctly? Also, IIRC, they were from Maine?
Brings to mind another such... Aldridge; don't remember his first name. Daughter Abby attended for a while, did not stay the course. Very interesting, independent, and intelligent family. Mother was a former dancer and very creative.
Always felt that Hyde really short-changed these families...
-Manny Rivers (2X)
I wonder where they are now?
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...I also what you to know that Phippsburg was named after William Phipps the first Royal governor of Massachusetts:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Phips I learned that from a Teacher named Bud.
Niel Loughjizm
...well, that might be due to Maine's actually being part of Massachusetts in the (very) early days... ;->
[I'm guessing you went to school with Bud's daughter Cindy? (sp?)]
-Manny Rivers (2X)
Yes Cindy and Lenny and the girl in the middle who's name I can not pull up at the moment but I can see her in my mind. Any you remember the story of Lenny and the Warren's and Joe?
I remember Cindy singing a song called the "Blue Clister Blues" while waxing her cross country skis.
Niel
Niel
so sorry, but don't... Do tell?
Lenny ran away from hyde. Hyde was not a good fit for him. The Warrens let Lenny back into thier house. The Warrens were forced out of the school. Bud was one of the originals in '66. I my estimation the most well balanced of the founders, witness the fact that he chose his son over the school dogma.
Niel
Now that you describe the scenario, I can vaguely remember... And I concur with your impression of the Warrens. Infinitely less histrionics... The mother was the school nurse, if I remember correctly? Also, IIRC, they were from Maine?
Brings to mind another such... Aldridge; don't remember his first name. Daughter Abby attended for a while, did not stay the course. Very interesting, independent, and intelligent family. Mother was a former dancer and very creative.
Always felt that Hyde really short-changed these families...
-Manny Rivers (2X)
I wonder where they are now?
Dick Aldridge...he passed away, I believe...
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I am very sorry to hear that (Dick Aldridge). He was a good writer, and could wield his chops well when it came to dissecting language...
Does anyone know whatever happened to Clayton and Warren Press? I ran into Warren, completely by accident, in early 1978, if I recall correctly... I later learned that he had died, whilst on or associated with a trip undertaken with Robbie Siegel... Warren was another one of these stellar students with "fine leadership qualities," held up as an example to the rest of us, who later woke up and touted the place as a total crock of crap. In very little time I might add, in Warren's case. I tend to believe, although I assuredly do not know this for a fact at all, that Rob and Warren were of the same mind on this. I knew Clay better, he was a bit of a loner, like me, although I've heard nothing post-Hyde...
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I am very sorry to hear that (Dick Aldridge). He was a good writer, and could wield his chops well when it came to dissecting language...
Does anyone know whatever happened to Clayton and Warren Press? I ran into Warren, completely by accident, in early 1978, if I recall correctly... I later learned that he had died, whilst on or associated with a trip undertaken with Robbie Siegel... Warren was another one of these stellar students with "fine leadership qualities," held up as an example to the rest of us, who later woke up and touted the place as a total crock of crap. In very little time I might add, in Warren's case. I tend to believe, although I assuredly do not know this for a fact at all, that Rob and Warren were of the same mind on this. I knew Clay better, he was a bit of a loner, like me, although I've heard nothing post-Hyde...
Warren had a sister Lauren? I remember running wind sprints up Bath St with Warren. Not exactly with him. He was way ahead.
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Warren Press died in 197? or 8? in Afganastan from an "allergic reaction" to some medication he was given... You're talking about Robbie Stafford who was with him in the Middle East...Clay I think is still in the Chicagoland area. Robbie Stafford is a Senior Correspondant for Dateline NBC.
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Warren Press died in 197? or 8? in Afganastan from an "allergic reaction" to some medication he was given... You're talking about Robbie Stafford who was with him in the Middle East...Clay I think is still in the Chicagoland area. Robbie Stafford is a Senior Correspondant for Dateline NBC.
Robbie's dad died recently true?
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Warren Press died in 197? or 8? in Afganastan from an "allergic reaction" to some medication he was given... You're talking about Robbie Stafford who was with him in the Middle East...Clay I think is still in the Chicagoland area. Robbie Stafford is a Senior Correspondant for Dateline NBC.
Thanks for the name correction! What was Warren being given medication for? Why were they in Afghanistan?