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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: jraypdxxx on December 15, 2005, 03:35:00 PM
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9 months
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Entirely too long :mad: 15 1/2 months
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22 1/2 months.
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About 6.5 months. After I got my 180 day start over and sent to my own home as a newcomer, I was getting worn down. The Execs threatened to transfer me to Boston; even sending Boston Execs to Cinci to "observe". I fought like hell and was rewarded with decompression at a psych ward. Then home like nothing ever happened...Jason
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20 years. Where am I?
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9 months
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18 months
If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny.
Thomas Jefferson
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EST (Landmark) '83
Salesmanship Club '84-'86
Straight, Inc. '86-'88
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4 months.....walked a month after 18th bday
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13 Months, Brother in 26 months.
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After looking over the ranges of time spent by survivors of Str8, I began to wonder why. Some people misbehaved, complied, "slid thru", actually believed (at the time they were being "treated" or a combination of the above.
Going through my books (as I load out), one quote summed up my position pretty damn well:
"A good plan, violently executed now, is better than a perfect plan next week"
(General George S. Patton, Jr. U.S. Army)
Any thoughts? It's fucking ancient history, but I still wonder how and why some people were stuck there for so long...Any thoughts? Jason
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I think my first phase was a few months because I copped out twice and was started over twice. 5th phase was a bit over a year. I freaked out in open meeting on 5th phase and was yelling, swearing, laughing, crying and kicking over chairs. Put on a 3rd phase 14 day refresher.
Of course my reference of time is a bit hazy after all these years so I can't give exact time lengths. I know that I didn't spend very much time on 2nd - 4th phases.
I remember how we had to write days on each phase at the top of our MI's, but those have been gone for ages. I threw all of them away shortly after coming home.
Damn, now I'm sitting here trying to figure these months out....
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hum, let me get out my calculator and do the math...
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I cant beleive it, but I actually remember pretty well how long I spent on each phase. 1st was about 2-3 months (probably closer to 2+ some). 2nd and 3rd I am a bit fuzzy about, but I think 2nd was a few weeks to a month, 3rd was about 2-3 months, 4th was 6 months with one brief set back to 3rd, and 5th was 4 months.
I never misbehaved nor copped out and was fairly compliant, out of fear of course.
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So like how long were you in str8, NCL?
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1 year 10 months
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On 2005-12-16 15:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
"So like how long were you in str8, NCL?"
15 1/2 months
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On 2005-12-16 13:16:00, misbehaver wrote:
Any thoughts? It's fucking ancient history, but I still wonder how and why some people were stuck there for so long...Any thoughts? Jason
Well, I don't think it had a whole lot to do with how you acted. I think it had more to do with how much time and money the parents were willing to spend coupled w/ whatever came out of the shit talkin sessions based, in part, on the 5th phase/trainee obs, cocs and other forms of gossip.
Least ways, I never thought it mattered much at the time.
Step 1. We came to understand that the government is powerless over people's private use of drugs and that the War on Drugs was making the government's life unmanageable.
--Scott Tillinghast
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On 2005-12-16 13:16:00, misbehaver wrote:
"Any thoughts? It's fucking ancient history, but I still wonder how and why some people were stuck there for so long...Any thoughts? Jason"
rotten educations, rotten parents, no street smarts, no survival skills, plain old stupidity as well as mental shock and torture and bargaining, yes, that's it, you refused to bargain. you did not fear them, therefore, you did not bargain with them.
what did you think about?
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13 months from intake to termination, with a one-month copout vacation and another two-day copout vacation.
rtp2k3
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I dont remember how long I was in Straight. I was misbehaving in the end. I think I was one of those very difficult misbehavors so they wanted to get rid of me quickly so I would not cause them anymore problems. Banging my head on the concrete and I would make my arms bleed all day. I was thinking about getting my medical records from the psyco ward they placed me into right after my stay at Straight. It would have the date, but they want me to pay $1 per page :eek:
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How many pages is it? Medical facilities are allowed to charge a "reasonable" fee. One dollar per page seems unreasonable. Don't they put a twenty dollar cap on that or something?
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http://www.texashealth.org/main.asp?eno ... exceptions (http://www.texashealth.org/main.asp?enorgid=&level=2&id=B6CA869F36DC4881BD35AAD7A7A271D0&leftNav=Medical%20Records#exceptions)
Fees
The Texas Legislature sets the fees our hospital charges for copies of medical records. This is found in S241.154(e) of the Health and Safety Code. These charges are reviewed and updated annually based on the price index as published by the Bureau of Labor Statistics of the United States Department of Labor. The following fees are effective as of September 2, 2005:
Medical Records in Paper Form
Each hospital charges the following fees for the copying of health care information. Additionally, the hospital charges the actual cost of mailing, shipping or otherwise delivering the provided copies.
1-10 pages: $38.31
11-60 pages: $1.28 per page
61-400 pages: $0.64 per page
More than 400 pages: $0.33 per page
Records Stored on Other Medium
If the requested records are stored on any microform or other electronic medium, the hospital charges the following fees. Additionally, the hospital charges the actual cost of mailing, shipping or otherwise delivering the provided copies.
1-10 pages: $57.48
Subsequent pages: $1.28 per page
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Ex-P, I just went back into my mind and detatched from the funhouse. I was brutal at the the building and the nicest guy ya ever met at the host home. I thought about the girl I was in love with, my YZ125, the .45 my Dad put under the Christmas tree for me (the staff really bitched that one up) and my friends. My MIs were often sketches of the group room w/plans for tomorrow or lyrics (usually Ozzy or Sabbath).
The two most important were thinking about my first girlfriend and how much I love her. Next was restraint; ie. If I fucked some mealy ass phaser up too badly(like crushing a windpipe with the frame of a blue chair), I go to DYS until I'm 18 or 21. It was a delicate balance that I managed to achieve. I often took the restraint on the floor as "the easy way out". I've used the same self-restraint to save my own and a few other lives over time.
Now, I'm gonna jam Audioslave's "Doesn't Remind Me" and hope for a pleasant dream. Wish you the same. Jason
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22 months
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22 months of Stoughton hell :flame:
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Allow me to enter this timely quote into discussion:
"Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."--Theodore Roosevelt
Jason
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Too long.
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134 | 22 | 39
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91 | 58 | 344
11 months more or less...left on my 5th phase vacation.
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I don't get it
Ours were like this:
90|45
60|80
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Clockwise, 1,2,3,4 and, at the bottom, 5th phase. Who the hell ever did an MI after graduation? What's yours mean?When I started as a federal narcotics agent, the budget that we were working with, it was less than $5 million a year, and there was only 125 agents for the entire world to work the narcotic trade that we were fighting in those days. Times have changed. The gluttony has grown.
--Nick Navarro, former Broward, FL Sherrif
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Drug war POW
Straight, Sarasota
`80 - `82
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This is how we did our days too in our MI. Top row----From left to right, its 1st, 2nd, 3rd....Bottom row----4th, 5th and the last number should be the total days in the program. Its not aftercare days.
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On 2005-12-18 23:06:00, Antigen wrote:
"I don't get it
Ours were like this:
90|45
60|80
NN
Clockwise, 1,2,3,4 and, at the bottom, 5th phase. Who the hell ever did an MI after graduation? What's yours mean?When I started as a federal narcotics agent, the budget that we were working with, it was less than $5 million a year, and there was only 125 agents for the entire world to work the narcotic trade that we were fighting in those days. Times have changed. The gluttony has grown.
--Nick Navarro, former Broward, FL Sherrif
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Drug war POW
Straight, Sarasota
`80 - `82"
1st | 2nd | 3rd
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4th | 5th | total days in straight
I didn't do an MI after graduation. The last one I did was on day 58 of my 5th phase, then I left.
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about 15 months
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23 months 'til graduation, or what would better be described as annihilation. 29 months if you want to count aftercare. Which is a euphimism describing the continued though less abrasive oppression of the mind, body and spirit, under the threat of more torture and imprisonment.
It took them a long time to break me. I ran, I fought, I conned, I got caught. I copped-out 4 times and was started over off 2nd phase once, for askin' my newcomer to cop-out with me. I misbehaved twice for a month. Durin' my 3rd cop-out I hid out in the woods around Springfield and Fairfax and Burke for a month. By the time I was arrested for stealin' that truck on my 4th cop-out I'd already been in the program for like 16 months.
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I was hired at Straight as an employee since I had gotten clean. I worked in St. Pete. What I saw was that many, many parents were at their wits end. They loved their teen-aged children deeply but had no idea what to do with them and so they stayed at Straight until the parents and children could live without Straight.
By the way, I loved the "inmates" but this was the worst job. It was so so hard.
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4 -2 till 12 - 26 (day after x mas)
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On 2005-12-21 07:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I was hired at Straight as an employee since I had gotten clean. I worked in St. Pete. What I saw was that many, many parents were at their wits end. They loved their teen-aged children deeply but had no idea what to do with them and so they stayed at Straight until the parents and children could live without Straight.
By the way, I loved the "inmates" but this was the worst job. It was so so hard."
Yeah, the parents were at their wits end, so they turned us over to someone else to "fix" us. RIght, real nice parents and I include mine in teh ones that fucked up.
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On 2005-12-21 07:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I was hired at Straight as an employee since I had gotten clean. I worked in St. Pete. What I saw was that many, many parents were at their wits end. They loved their teen-aged children deeply but had no idea what to do with them and so they stayed at Straight until the parents and children could live without Straight.
By the way, I loved the "inmates" but this was the worst job. It was so so hard."
I'm curious. What was your job at Str8 ?? Why was it so hard ?? What did you have to do ??
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excellent question pirate. So yeah, what did you "do" or "for" the children inmates?
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18 months on my program then another 18 in PT/sibling/7 step society.....Easy to remember, Intake on my 15th birthday and terminated on my 18th. Why so long? I can't speak for anybody else but you have to remember that back in 80 & 81 there were 300 - 400 kids in the program. Miller Newton was the director. Getting called on to "relate" and thus make progress was difficult. Of course in hindsight, progress was much more dependent on the staff having motivation such as parent's running out of money or patience. But I digress...My intake was October of 80. I made 2nd phase on valentines day Home for a couple weeks then ran. Gone for just a few days brought back, started over. Ran with my oldcomer after 10 days. Started over and shredded. Went home for the second time in late July. Made 3rd (conveniently)just in the nick of time to go back to school. I'm sure my parents told them there was no way I was missing a SECOND year of school. Fourth phase shortly after that and then the group was frozen. No one could progress. Days called in etc Finally made fith in early 82. Days still called in but not frozen. No outings or permissions. But they 7 stepped us none the less after the minimum 60 days required for 5th. But I was in PT so in additon to doing the twice weekly meetings for the first 6 mos I was also going in for PT. A model 7 stepper for a while really. Did sibling raps but I eventually got sick of being scared to watch the wrong movie or tw show or listen to the wrong music, talk to the wrong person wear the wrong clothes. Staff looked at me suspiciously asked me about my clothes-they were too tight. I realized it would never end and a refresher or starting over was inevitable. So I limited my exposure, attended the bare minimum of meetings. Enough for them to see me around but not enough for them to really see or talk to me. I made my plans for escape. Showed friends where the building was, what time meetings let out and through which doors. Gave them the number for the ACLU, HRS. Contacted HRS and did an interview with someone there. Told them the whole story and that I was afraid I'd kidnapped. And then I held my breath until my 18th birthday. A few days before my 18th they called my parents. Refresher time. Just two weeks. Riiiiiiigghhht. I told them no one told them about all my preparation, offered to move out. They gave and I was terminated. But you know, if I hadn't done all that prep, my butt would have been back on the front row. No telling how long my program would have been.
Patient memoirs are a kind of protest literature like slave narratives or witness testimonies.
G.A.Hornstein
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On 2005-12-31 09:45:00, whiterabbit wrote:
"But you know, if I hadn't done all that prep, my butt would have been back on the front row. No telling how long my program would have been.>
Good grief. I'm so sorry...this is one of my worst nightmares.
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you actually got terminated....wow,that never happened when i was there!at least , not in the time frame you spent there.....what the hell happened?....hippie564
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I do not remember how long. Long enough for me to flunk 11th grade. I think 10 months. If I could get my f/ing records, it would clear up a lot of shit for me. 8-10 time served. 4th phase highest achievement. Started over 1 time.[ This Message was edited by: Scarred on 2006-01-03 18:11 ]
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21 months
4/88-1/90
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can we get an enlargement on that avatar? i can't make it out.
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Eight months on first phase, one month on second phase, and a very short time to leap from the bedroom window of my mother's house and flee, never to return to the program.
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34 / 14/ 28
98 / 64 / 20+ years sober.
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34 / 14/ 28
98 / 64 / 20+ years sober.
You are in a very small minority of Straight defenders, so why not elaborate on your success?
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I was terminated too! Grats me! I won!
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On 2006-01-06 13:39:00, Anonymous wrote:
" 34 / 14/ 28
98 / 64 / 20+ years sober.
You are in a very small minority of Straight defenders, so why not elaborate on your success? "
Why do you label that as success? Many people never had a drug/alcohol problem to begin with. How is that success? How bout just normal growing up.
That's like a non-Doctor telling you, you have cancer and when you find out they were wrong. You are in remission and a cancer survivor success story! Dumb, real dumb.
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No game intended? I read too much into the numbers, I presume.
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Why do you label that as success? Many people never had a drug/alcohol problem to begin with. How is that success? How bout just normal growing up.
That's like a non-Doctor telling you, you have cancer and when you find out they were wrong. You are in remission and a cancer survivor success story! Dumb, real dumb.
The way the numbers are posted seems to display a kind of overt confidence in the program. I read too much into it. Hence my request for an explanation.
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I don't even know what those numbers mean. I never wrote an actual MI, in my over 6 months I was there. So tell me, What do those numbers mean? Someone said before those were numbers you Had to write on your MI. What did they mean?
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I assumed they were numbers of days on each phase. Will the anon poster clarify?
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I'm not the anon poster, but the numbers meant
days on phases with the last being total.
1/2/3
4/5/total
mine were this
35/25/67/
241/244/655
My days do not add up to the total because I was started over. On my 43erd day I hit my oldcomer with the sack lunch on the way to the car from the host home. That muthurfucker still had a hold of my beltloop after I hit him with the sack lunch. The bag busted and the caffine free soda was spinning and spurting on the sidewalk. I starting hitting the guy in the face and finally broke loose. I fell down a few times running away cause my legs got so weak sitting in those blue chairs for so long. At one point I was speed crawling down the sidewalk. That oldcomer got started over upon my return.
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14 mos. 10/86-12/87
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Do people ever get out ??
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April, 1978 to Sept., 1979. About 17 months.
Started over once, on third phase.
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30 months (16 years sober and one month not sober)
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4/2 to 12/26 1988
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On 2006-01-31 04:48:00, starry-eyed pirate wrote:
"Do people ever get out ??"
I think as far as some ingrained behavior and trippy self guilt issues...no we do not
That said I dont really think much about straight per se..I did for a year or so after finding fornits ..but its been a long time.
I do still feel guilty after nasty drug binges ( like say iv cocaine or meth ..actually only those 2)...or whenever i spend money on myself.
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On 2005-12-15 13:02:00, webcrawler wrote:
"22 1/2 months."
damn
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17 1/2 months.Sept '77-Rahall Building;program moved to Milton Roy;program moved to Morgan Yacht-Seven step w/first group ever in 3/79.
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My entire life.
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Nov. 28, 1981 to January 5, 1982 in St. Pete Building. (Cincy separted from St. Pete group the day before coming in)
January 6, 1982 November 19, 1982 in Cincy.
Just 9 days shy of a year.
Don
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I was there 13 or 14 months. I withdrew myself after I went on 5th phase vacation because I pulled some stuff while I was on vacation. I was staying at home by myself while my family was at work, I went on a date with a girl, and I was listening to what they called my druggie music. I knew I couldn't handle a refresher or be started over....I had to get out of that place.
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5 months ... then I left when I made second phase. Let's see ... $220,000 divided by 150 days = about $1400 for each day. Of course the lawyers got more than half.