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General Interest => Open Free for All => Topic started by: Anonymous on March 06, 2010, 11:24:58 AM
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Now I posted another thread last nite that I thought was to long winded with to much info. So I decided to be short and sweet.
SEKTO and Psy,
Fuck me very much for posting, are dealing with this issue between Inculcate and me. What everyone didn't see is what started this whole thing. A email from Inculcate not only bashing Whooter but being very sarcastic with me. I read this (email) then went on to read her lightly sarcastic tone on the Daytop thread.
I then responded to both the sarcastic email and the sarcasm in the post she wrote.
Now since all of this has happened I have emailed both psy, SEKTO and Inculcate with some pretty heavy handed vulgar comments. Oops excuse me.....Ya pissed me off big time with this clickish bullshit, what ya all a bunch of college buddies hanging out in the student lounge talking about when your going to get your trust funds. Guys I am a provocateur nothing more nothing less. I don't care SEKTO whether you understand my agenda or not you "pompous ass". I never asked you to or wanted you to or anyone else for that matter. I run with my own flag thank you very much and I don't think I have to explain myself to anyone here.
Thanks
Danny......`Ole Danny Boyo.....The pipes, The pipes are calling...
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Bennison:
It seems you are only here to undermine threads by causing conflict etc.
Such a person posting on a message board is often called an "Internet troll."
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Danny,
I don't have much room to say this but I will anyway. In my opinion, you would get further by communication with them in private. This is just an opinion. Hopefully it works out.
Not going to happen everything from here on out to the bitter end will remain public, if you don't understand this then so be it.
Thanks for the advice anyways.....
Danny..... :shamrock:
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Bennison:
It seems you are only here to undermine threads by causing conflict etc.
Such a person posting on a message board is often called an "Internet troll."
Once again please refrain from giving us your prejudicial response. You have no idea who I am or what I am. Though I will say one thing in all the sites I am affiliated with you are the first member to call me a troll.
YO, angry one relax it is my turn to shine for 15 mins. so back off and go gloat over your knew found superiority. I won't be back I'll just start my own forum on Daytop or thread, whatever. You can have yours all to yourself.
If you don't like my posts don't read them. I don't really read your posts I got bored with the excessive chronicles of you on the Daytop threads. Psy, Inculcate and you would all post about you. Very little to actually do with info on Daytop. I have read the entire forum more then once, just in case you wonder where this is coming from. What is really sad is you really don't get the choke hold you have on that forum. Your actually proud of it along with your side kick Inculcate. Hey then you have a administrator "rubber stamp" it. Who was by the way a very active poster on your chronicles.
There ya go....off and running. We are always talking about the thin line of ethics, shit I can most definitely be sympathetic to Whooter. When your not in the group think around here, fuck you guys are murderous.
Also I don't like the ignorance concerning AA on this forum never have never will. So I have decided to say something about it.
:shamrock:
Danny.....
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Read carefully, Bennison. I did not call you a troll. Tell me, are you yourself a member of AA?
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Read carefully, Bennison. I did not call you a troll.
So funny you must have read Inculcate email she referred to me as, Bennison.
You are not the only one that can dicuss Daytop my friend or moderate it.
Thank you...
Danny... :shamrock:
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Read carefully, Bennison. I did not call you a troll. Tell me, are you yourself a member of AA?
22 yrs. and counting.....also affiliated with NA and CA......thank you very much.
Danny....
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What does the term "dry drunk" mean to you, Bennison?
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What does the term "dry drunk" mean to you, Bennison?
SEKTO ,
Grow up and go play with psy and Inculcate. Your out of your league here, pal.
Like I said take your prejudicial comments or innuendo and run them on somebody else.
I am standing with the legitimate argument and your acting like you have the answer.
Dude you are not that clever, really. What I see is someone who suffers from co-dependency.
Danny.....
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Have a nice day, Danny.
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Just as I said everything will be made public from here on out.
Psy,
Your still not getting it,
And you're not getting it. We de-federalized Fornits. The Daytop forum is a "sovereign state" and we respect the rights of states to manage their business the way they want to. Consider the Daytop forum as you would another website entirely.
It is not about getting back on this forum or that forum. I could give a fuck if you banned me from this site entirely you condescending prick. I am interested in my reputation and the moral ground here. I will not be privy to your little click and when one of them is injured you stick up from them
I didn't stick up for anybody. SEKTO requested the ban and after I did it, I posted a notice. That's all. I don't give a fuck what your dispute is with SEKTO or Inculcated. Deal with it yourself and stop crying for the "nanny-state" to intervene. Ginger and I have actual shit to deal with and don't want to get involved.
You and Ginger have more to deal with. Please Mike you are a jerk, as a
I was told you were. You are sticking up, so shut the fuck up with your, "objectiveness" your full of shit. You have read every post so far.
So let me understand this you have a person from Daytop Moderating ELan Forum and a Hyde whatever person also moderating Elan. This is your idea of a de-federalized fornits. Oh I know you asked, Sharon in a polite way if you could jamb both these people down are throats. Sharon......That's it nobody else.
Now onto "sovereign states" oh I know just like America runs Iraq, We are being controlled by you and 2 folks who have nothing to do with Elan. But then again these are people you happen to like a great deal including SEkTO. My friend like I said your full of shit, there is no way your not going to be all up in this you fucking liar.
Yes, I called you a liar. It may not make any difference to you but my respect for you has lessened.
OH and you just had to post on the Daytop forum your decision concerning me. Just had to do it aye....no other way. Well your buddy enjoyed it.
Danny
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This is the email that started it all for me anyways, now I will say it has exploded since this email.
:shamrock: :shamrock:
and why are you romancing whooter?
Sent: Yesterday, 19:20
From: Inculcated
To: Danny Bennison
Bennison,
Are any of you going to open up Élan threads discussing various group venues, or not?
Maybe you could open up some Élan forum discussion about how staff were (or weren’t) trained in developing individual treatment plans.
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All I did was ask the man a question, and then bade him a good day. How is that mean?
Maybe the dry drunk comment was a bit much at that moment, in that some people may have heard that term while in program. DB seems to behave as if he's drunk all the time, anyway. Given his high praise for AA, I'm not entirely surprised. Also, he misspells things so frequently because he types hastily and doesn't much care about accuracy. I'm surprised he doesn't misspell his own name. Or maybe he makes most of his posts from an IPhone or some such thing and cannot see it very well.
And then there are the inconsistencies and contradictions.
Here DB is saying that his mother passed away in August of '09.
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=29615&p=354289#p354289 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=29615&p=354289#p354289)
And here DB says that he lost his mother ten or so years ago.
I lost my father at the age of ten and my mother went home ten years ago when I was thirty-seven. My mother would have wanted to say, “thank-you,” to Joe and others for giving her back her son.
http://www.elanschool.com/featuredgraduate.php?id=25 (http://www.elanschool.com/featuredgraduate.php?id=25)
Red hair, shamrocks, the Irish tunes, I say it's the same guy. Look at the picture there.
Also, it's funny how he'd mistake the name of somebody he supposedly admires so much; Joe Ricca/Joe Ricci.
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=28320&p=357252&hilit=+Joe+Ricca+#p357252 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=28320&p=357252&hilit=+Joe+Ricca+#p357252)
http://www.elanschool.com/featuredgraduate.php?id=25 (http://www.elanschool.com/featuredgraduate.php?id=25)
Living with Joe Ricci and his wife. I was the youngest graduate Élan had at the time and Joe and his wife took a special interest in me. I admired Joe. He was bigger than life to me at the time and he became the Dad I never had. I think of him often, miss him, and am grateful for his personal sacrifices and belief that youth are worth investing in.
I think he's a troll for sure. That's just my opinion. Or maybe simply another survivor who is struggling with a number of issues related to his time in program, (as are we all) and is too traumatized, or maybe too unintelligent (or both), to realize that he is behaving in quite a trollish fashion. He's obviously got a lot of anger in him.
DB is an interesting case. It's hard to know when he is being serious or when he his just stirring the pot. We ought to tolerate tolerate him, I think, as our replies to him are really aimed at a wider audience. He succeeds in in making AA look worse than any of us ever could, and hence does half the work for us. Damn annoying, though. Anyway, at least he'll not be screwing around in DAYTOP anymore.
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Agreed. I feel sorry for this guy, and will write no more on the matter.
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I lol'd..
:twofinger: :twofinger: :twofinger: :twofinger: :twofinger:
many of these for everyone.
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Bennison:
It seems you are only here to undermine threads by causing conflict etc.
Such a person posting on a message board is often called an "Internet troll."
Once again please refrain from giving us your prejudicial response. You have no idea who I am or what I am. Though I will say one thing in all the sites I am affiliated with you are the first member to call me a troll.
YO, angry one relax it is my turn to shine for 15 mins. so back off and go gloat over your knew found superiority. I won't be back I'll just start my own forum on Daytop or thread, whatever. You can have yours all to yourself.
If you don't like my posts don't read them. I don't really read your posts I got bored with the excessive chronicles of you on the Daytop threads. Psy, Inculcate and you would all post about you. Very little to actually do with info on Daytop. I have read the entire forum more then once, just in case you wonder where this is coming from. What is really sad is you really don't get the choke hold you have on that forum. Your actually proud of it along with your side kick Inculcate. Hey then you have a administrator "rubber stamp" it. Who was by the way a very active poster on your chronicles.
There ya go....off and running. We are always talking about the thin line of ethics, shit I can most definitely be sympathetic to Whooter. When your not in the group think around here, fuck you guys are murderous.
Also I don't like the ignorance concerning AA on this forum never have never will. So I have decided to say something about it.
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Danny.....
I think you were called a Troll right here: http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=29897 :feedtrolls:
:shamrock:
Hey Felice,
Your going to jump in on this?????? Really!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Danny....
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Agreed. I feel sorry for this guy, and will write no more on the matter.
You talk about my mother again and son you don't even want to know. That's is all I'm going to say.
PLEASE>>>get this you piece of shit. Ist Warning.....
Danny........ :shamrock:
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Agreed. I feel sorry for this guy, and will write no more on the matter.
You talk about my mother again and son you don't even want to know. That's is all I'm going to say.
PLEASE>>>get this you piece of shit. Ist Warning.....
Danny........ :shamrock:
Son..???? You're momma wears combat boots. There. I talked about your mother. What "don't I even want to know"???????/
I can't wait.
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What does the term "dry drunk" mean to you, Bennison?
This was cruel and mean. I will leave it at that.
What am I missing here? What's cruel or mean about this?
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http://www.elanschool.com/featuredgraduate.php?id=25 (http://www.elanschool.com/featuredgraduate.php?id=25)
Living with Joe Ricci and his wife. I was the youngest graduate Élan had at the time and Joe and his wife took a special interest in me. I admired Joe. He was bigger than life to me at the time and he became the Dad I never had. I think of him often, miss him, and am grateful for his personal sacrifices and belief that youth are worth investing in.
Hey all ,
Look Danny and Lee are two different people. If you read the link above you will see that Lee named his business Bloch (something, the lighting business) Ok everyone with me. Well I hate to be the one but Lee Bloch was a 14 or 15 year old kid who was living with ricci when I first arrived at elan way back in 7-74.
Lee was put back in the house during my first 2 weeks. He was not a graduate at the time. He did something in ricci's house that pissed off ricci and therefore got stuck back in the house until he did graduate. I remember Lee playing a classical guitar , infact the song that he played was '"Classical Gas" during this time.
Lee Bloch and Danny Bennision are two different people.
On another note different strokes for different folks. I take my hat off to Danny for finding something that works for him and am happy he has found sobriety. elan certianly didn't work for either one of us. Granted this doesn't work for other people and I certianly would not jam elan down other peoples throats.
With that being said please do not confuse these two people again.
thanks
Matt
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What does the term "dry drunk" mean to you, Bennison?
This was cruel and mean. I will leave it at that.
What am I missing here? What's cruel or mean about this?
Well..from the Urban Dictionary:
http://http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dry+drunk
1. dry drunk
A dry drunk is a person whose brain was affected by years of alcohol abuse, despite the fact that the person had quit alcohol. Usually is a result of a person who went cold turkey. The brain usually shrinks
A dry drunk usually exibits the following traits,
* Exaggerated self-importance and pomposity
* Grandiose behavior
* A rigid, judgmental outlook
* Impatience
* Childish behavior
* Irresponsible behavior
* Irrational rationalization
* Projection
* Overreaction
Many consider George W. Bush to be a dry drunk, and point to observations of his speeches and other behaviors as evidence of this condition.
(I have been called a lot of things, but DUBYA!!! That IS insulting)
2. Dry Drunk
Someone who is no longer drinking but is not happy with life. This person usually still has his/her alcoholic mindset but not the booze.
I stopped going to that AA meeting downtown because it was mostly full of dry drunks.
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No you stopped going to meeting because nobody would let you give them #$%^ &%$#, who are you kidding. Maybe you act like this because your brain did shrink. What kills me is somebody will write about anything and pawn it off as authentic. "Dry Drunk" simple is someone who does not go to meeting and suffers because of this. HALT RETURNS....Hungry, Angry , Lonely and Tired. He doesn't drink. I personally don't give a shit about this stupid crap, here is another one 13 stepping, Someone with years picking up folks who just came in AA.
Me I first came to AA because I was in a 30 day treatment center after detox and they had meeting up in front of the building. This dude walked up to me one nite and said hey you want to get out of here for a hour. I said sure so off we went trotting off to my first AA meeting, man I hit that meeting and 4 of the sweetes honeys were sitting in the first row and I was hooked. AA was for me. None of them would talk to me but hey they were there. I still had a chance. So the moral of the story, who gives a shit how you got there, stay there and get sober and if you can pick up a honey for the journey why not. Misery loves company....lol
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Danny
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What does the term "dry drunk" mean to you, Bennison?
This was cruel and mean. I will leave it at that.
What am I missing here? What's cruel or mean about this?
Gee, what you always have been missing. Some other explanation then your own and your
wanna bee club.
Thank you
Danny....
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"Dry Drunk" simple is someone who does not go to meeting and suffers because of this. HALT RETURNS....Hungry, Angry , Lonely and Tired. He doesn't drink.
Aha. So let me get this right. I defined "Dry Drunk" correctly in the other thread. A "dry drunk" is somebody who got sober without AA and is therefore considered to be miserable, despite the absence of alcohol. In other words, AA is about more than just quitting drinking. It's a "spiritual program". You learn what is essentially a religion, not a recovery program. If the goal was simply recovery, simply not drinking would be enough.
In AA terms, a "dry drunk" (apostate) can never be happy, just as Christians believe those without Jesus can never be happy, despite how happy their lives actually are. They see what they want to see, just as you see what you want to see, because you're terrified of the possibility there is another way and you've been duped. Those I know who quit drinking on their own you would look down with pity and disdain. Indeed "dry drunk" is perhaps the worst thing you can call a person in AA terms. Indeed it is insulting. It's a slap in the face to anybody who has quit drinking without AA. No recovery is valid in your eyes except for those through AA -- and you just won't realize how blind you are.
What you don't realize is that you fell for a bait and switch. You joined the group to quit drinking and ended up getting sucked into what is essentially a religion. A Calvinist religion (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predestination_%28Calvinism%29#Unitarian_and_free_thought) whose philosophy ultimately denies the existence of free will. And because you believe it does not exist, because you believe you are in an impenetrable cage of powerlessness, you never bother to try the door to see if it's really locked. You know what I think? I think you're afraid to try. I think you're comfortable where you are. I believe you've found happiness in slavery (http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPJmpHfLh0c).
I personally don't give a shit about this stupid crap, here is another one 13 stepping, Someone with years picking up folks who just came in AA.
Me I first came to AA because I was in a 30 day treatment center after detox and they had meeting up in front of the building. This dude walked up to me one nite and said hey you want to get out of here for a hour. I said sure so off we went trotting off to my first AA meeting, man I hit that meeting and 4 of the sweetes honeys were sitting in the first row and I was hooked. AA was for me.
You went to AA to find pussy? How noble.
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"Dry Drunk" simple is someone who does not go to meeting and suffers because of this. HALT RETURNS....Hungry, Angry , Lonely and Tired. He doesn't drink.
Aha. So let me get this right. I defined "Dry Drunk" correctly in the other thread. A "dry drunk" is somebody who got sober without AA and is considering to be never be happy. In other words, AA is about more than just quitting drinking. It's a "spiritual program". You learn what is essentially a religion, not a recovery program. If the goal was simply recovery, simply not drinking would be enough.
In AA terms, a "dry drunk" (apostate) can never be happy, just as Christians believe those without Jesus can never be happy, despite how happy their lives actually are. They see what they want to see, just as you see what you want to see, because you're terrified of the possibility there is another way and you've been duped. Those I know who quit drinking on their own you would look down with pity and disdain. Indeed "dry drunk" is perhaps the worst thing you can call a person in AA terms. Indeed it is insulting. It's a slap in the face to anybody who has quit drinking without AA. No recovery is valid in your eyes except for those through AA -- and you just won't realize how blind you are.
What you don't realize is that you fell for a bait and switch. You joined the group to quit drinking and ended up getting sucked into what is essentially a religion. A Calvinist religion (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predestination_%28Calvinism%29#Unitarian_and_free_thought) whose philosophy ultimately denies the existence of free will. And because you believe it does not exist, because you believe you are in an impenetrable cage of powerlessness, you never bother to try the door to see if it's really locked. You know what I think? I think you're afraid to try. I think you're comfortable where you are. I believe you've found happiness in slavery (http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPJmpHfLh0c).
I personally don't give a shit about this stupid crap, here is another one 13 stepping, Someone with years picking up folks who just came in AA.
Me I first came to AA because I was in a 30 day treatment center after detox and they had meeting up in front of the building. This dude walked up to me one nite and said hey you want to get out of here for a hour. I said sure so off we went trotting off to my first AA meeting, man I hit that meeting and 4 of the sweetes honeys were sitting in the first row and I was hooked. AA was for me.
You went to AA to find pussy? How noble.
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Fucking Aye, What every good junky and drunk would do....shit I still do it....
Free, you really believe all this stuff your writing or are you getting ready for lab in school and the topic is AA vs Religion. Keep reading OJ though, in the future please give the author credit. Personally I could give a hoot about your diatribe.
But thanks anyway.....if you keep running around with this fast enough I hear you may run up your
ass by mistake.
Danny
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Guys I am a provocateur nothing more nothing less.
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No. You're really not. You're just a dick. I cannot BELIEVE what you posted to Felice last night.
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Guys I am a provocateur nothing more nothing less.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
No. You're really not. You're just a dick. I cannot BELIEVE what you posted to Felice last night.[/qu
Well then.....did get carried away.
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Well then.....did get carried away.
Yeah...you are VERY touchy and defensive about any criticism of AA. Why is that? I mean, if you're so happy, joyous and free wouldn't it just kinda roll off your back? It's like the hate mail Orange Papers receives.
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Well then.....did get carried away.
Yeah...you are VERY touchy and defensive about any criticism of AA. Why is that? I mean, if you're so happy, joyous and free wouldn't it just kinda roll off your back? It's like the hate mail Orange Papers receives.
Anne,
Your funny. Nice try. Touchy about AA...just want sincere interested parties debating their views. I agree with you on alot
of views, some not.
Be nice to folks yourself, how you talk to whooter is just as bad as me at times. Don't want to be compared to me...lol
Danny
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Anne,
Your funny. Nice try.
What did I try???
Be nice to folks yourself, how you talk to whooter is just as bad as me at times. Don't want to be compared to me...lol
Danny
Nope. I've been around here long enough to know what he is and what he's trying to accomplish being here.
And I could give a shit what people think or compare me to.
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Anne,
Your funny. Nice try.
What did I try???
Be nice to folks yourself, how you talk to whooter is just as bad as me at times. Don't want to be compared to me...lol
Danny
Nope. I've been around here long enough to know what he is and what he's trying to accomplish being here.
And I could give a shit what people think or compare me to.
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OK.......
Danny
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What did I try Danny?
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What did I try Danny?
:shamrock: :shamrock:
Oh trying to get me to admit that there is some deep imbedded brainwashed reason I speak of AA they way I do.
If you knew me really that characterization would not even enter your mind. Read my posts ( of the last few days they are on the (3) AA threads active right now) you will see why I am a member of AA.
Hey I am off to work.....bye!
Danny
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What did I try Danny?
:shamrock: :shamrock:
Oh trying to get me to admit that there is some deep imbedded brainwashed reason I speak of AA they way I do.
If you knew me really that characterization would not even enter your mind. Read my posts ( of the last few days they are on the (3) AA threads active right now) you will see why I am a member of AA.
Hey I am off to work.....bye!
Danny
I wasn't trying to get you to "admit" anything. I was genuinely curious as to why you'd be so pissy about a joke thread. And I don't really give a damn why you're a cult member.
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From Danny Bennison flame threads including the AA one that had no business having my name on it other than the intent to bait:
Nothing about Elan or the Daytop I was in even resembled AA. Ask anyone about that in the time frame I was there. I didn't even know AA existed until 1988.
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I was a member of Daytop regardless of my age at the time. I have also stayed in touch with many
ex-residents over the years.
Sekto I was really the type of resident Daytop and Elan was built for (then they got away from that for money) I was a Heroin addict and a Alcoholic.
I was 12/13 yrs when I arrived at Daytop already taking amphetamines and Barbiturates, smoking pot and drinking
my ass off. Stealing cars, burglarizing and so on. Intake and admissions....lol YO What's UP, Welcome!!! where ya been. That was my intake.....OK. No problem....By the time I hit Elan 3 yrs later I was a full blown addict and drinking
Wild Irish Rose by the gallon a day, this is no Bullshit. My intake at Elan Joe, "You look like shit, you need a shower".
OK that was intake experience, left Elan in 78 in 88 I entered the rooms Of AA a flown blown addict "AGAIN" and drinking rot gut wine (that a grape wasn't a thousand miles from) by the gallon.
So my interests and personality is much different then yours for sure, my Daytop experience I'm sure was much different then yours.
I won't be back I'll just start my own forum on Daytop or thread, whatever. You can have yours all to yourself.
If you don't like my posts don't read them. I don't really read your posts I got bored with the excessive chronicles of you on the Daytop threads. Psy, Inculcate and you would all post about you. Very little to actually do with info on Daytop. .
Aside from a brief(but informative) exchange in the chat box, you’ve been reticent to the point of defensive about discussing Daytop. From your earliest posts (back when you were still urging Élanians to “ Do what the Élan family would want us all to do”) when I congratulated you on your sobriety you misinterpreted my polite inquiry about Daytop as hostile and responded as such. At that time you also displayed unwarranted hostility toward Ursus.I don’t know what your issue with Psy is, but it started before you were banned from Daytop forum. Unlike you, I firmly believe in not posting pm’s (unless you’d like to grant me permission to do so in their entirety).I don't know what you hoped to achieve by posting that pm of mine, not that it mattered.
Regardless of whether you're going to revert to hostility or not, I’m happy to know that you are now ready to share with the forum your Daytop experiences.
I look forward to gleaning these insights.
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Inculcate,
As I have always said to you concerning your grandiose sense of yourself, which upon first meeting you came across as arrogant. I introduced myself back then upon entering this site , your idea of introductions was to jump right in with personal questions. When I rejected your type of "intake evaluation" you then came back with a (sense of indifference) attitude. Bla Bla Bla......Ya Know, I don't care really anymore what you folks think. Not because I don't like ya or not. What I have learned here is I spend more time discussing personalities then "I" do principles. (my fault)
So If this is your idea of reaching out fine, mission accomplished. One bit of advice in the future when you want to be conciliatory make sure you own side of the street is clean, first.
Thanks but no thanks on the Daytop thing, already moving in another direction on that topic.
Danny....
P.S. Yes I do "own" my warped personality read my posts here and on other sites you frequent. Not afraid to apologize either.
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At that time you also displayed unwarranted hostility toward Ursus.
Sorry, maybe my short term memory is on the fritz or I am especially dense (or both), but I don't believe this is true. That is, as far as displaying "hostility" towards me is concerned. I didn't interpret it that way. Whether or not someone else would have judged it differently, I can't say.
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At that time you also displayed unwarranted hostility toward Ursus.
Sorry, maybe my short term memory is on the fritz or I am especially dense (or both), but I don't believe this is true. Whether or not someone else may have seen it that way, I can't say. I myself did not get this impression.
Maybe…his accusing you of having an agenda bit...
Well thank you, now that it’s back I can refresh my memory.
Trolls (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=30020) be dammned (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=30021) I’ll say it. I heart Ursus.
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Inculcate,
As I have always said to you concerning your grandiose sense of yourself, which upon first meeting you came across as arrogant.
Oh, that's rich coming from you!
Pot, meet kettle.
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Bennison,
There was nothing conciliatory intended in my message.
Anne Bonny calls you a self aggrandizing*** and you wait a day and recycle it. See you do an aptitude for assimilating information.
At least your vocabulary is expanding to include more than loaded language and program slogans.
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Was Danny banned from Daytop forum or Fornits?
If so, why are we banning people who respond to nastiness with some degree of obnoxiousness themselves?
Are we banning people who think AA is helpful or not a cult? Youll have to ban 90% of your posters next.
From the standpoint of a causal observer, “moderation” has turned out to be arbitrarily applied as based on petty personal issues, and mean spirited to boot.
And god knows how Danny could banned for being a “troll” while Whooter remains.
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What am I missing here? What's cruel or mean about this?
People are saying (at least I am) that Danny was antagonized and then penalized for responding with a small degree of the rudeness pointed in his direction. Not cool. Moderation controls have been misused. My opinion.
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Was Danny banned from Daytop forum or Fornits?
If so, why are we banning people who respond to nastiness with some degree of obnoxiousness themselves?
Are we banning people who think AA is helpful or not a cult? Youll have to ban 90% of your posters next.
From the standpoint of a causal observer, “moderation” has turned out to be arbitrarily applied as based on petty personal issues, and mean spirited to boot.
And god knows how Danny could banned for being a “troll” while Whooter remains.
I'm pretty sure he asked to have his account deleted. Promoting AA may get you mocked by some around here, but it certainly will not get you banned.
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Are we banning people who think AA is helpful or not a cult? Youll have to ban 90% of your posters next.
I seriously doubt that. Most survivors see AA/NA/other forms of Stepcraft for the ruse that it is.
And god knows how Danny could banned for being a “troll” while Whooter remains.
If this were the case, I couldn't argue with you. Danny hasn't been nearly as repulsive as Whootie. That being said, I think they both serve a purpose here. Whootie is an excellent example of the fraudulent types that permeate the industry, while Danny shows us how fucked up people can become after guzzzling Bill W. flavor Kool-Aid.
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Danny was banned from the DAYTOP forum for flaming and engaging in personal attacks against other participants. To my judgment, the situation there was handled fairly, and he deserved it.
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What am I missing here? What's cruel or mean about this?
People are saying (at least I am) that Danny was antagonized and then penalized for responding with a small degree of the rudeness pointed in his direction. Not cool. Moderation controls have been misused. My opinion.
How was he antagonized? He came into a joke thread I had started (in fact he was the 1st post after my initial one) and told me to "take it to the judge". If he didn't like the subject matter he could have just stayed out of the thread.
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Danny. AA is like a snake being forcefed rats. You never hear the snakes complain. It might not be AA's choice to accept court ordered offenders, but AA certainly doesn't mind it. After all, most AA members (~60%) are a product of either court ordered attendance, or indoctrination within a court ordered treatment center.
So I just happen to be one person that is willing to talk positive and try to correct misinformation not minds
I'm not so sure I believe that. In order for you to correct misinformation you have to actually be willing to read both sides. You haven't, refusing to even acknowledge the existence of AA's surveys until they were shown on a website you saw as "safe" (aa.org), among other things.
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Everytime I've wanted to run away (or as Felice said move on) 7 people say get back here and finish what you started. Fuck this is hard shit man.
Danny
Sooooo... is your coming on fornits and trying to proselytize about the 12-Step way ... some kind of AA gang initiation rite?
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you folks think because you read something and it makes sense to you and then you incorporate in your collective value system that makes it Ok to then start acting like it is one of your convictions. I don't see the jump that's all. These views sound phony. You base them on no real study, no real life study. I have real life study so I talk. I have real life study of treatment centers so I talk.
I have been to AA, NA, and detox. More than three times for each. I have plenty "real life study" of recovering from an addiction. I found Stepcraft to not only be ineffective, but also to be detrimental. Believing one is powerless over an addiction makes it so, for one thing. Blaming my foolish choices and voluntary decisions on a fictitious disease did nothing but reinforce the notion that I was doomed to lifelong addiction. Trust me on this one, Danny---I was about as strung out as a person can get without being dead, and was consciously trying to exit the building permanently. I have since broken an addiction that lasted well over a decade, and I was able to do it only after I rejected the cornerstone concepts on which the Stepcult is based, and began accepting my responsibility for, and my control over, my addiction.
Many of you sound like the staff I listened to and rejected because I knew they were full of shit because they had no idea of what they are talking about.
Danny, I could easily say the exact same thing about your comments. With your dogma and rhetoric spewing, and your rejection of facts about and critical study of AA/NA/--A, you have been acting much like the staff of one of the places by which many here were victimized. You have rejected facts in favor of slogans, reason in favor of superstition, and, perhaps most sadly of all, rejected your power of choice in favor of learned helplessness.
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you folks think because you read something and it makes sense to you and then you incorporate in your collective value system that makes it Ok to then start acting like it is one of your convictions. I don't see the jump that's all. These views sound phony. You base them on no real study, no real life study. I have real life study so I talk. I have real life study of treatment centers so I talk.
I have been to AA, NA, and detox. More than three times for each. I have plenty "real life study" of recovering from an addiction. I found Stepcraft to not only be ineffective, but also to be detrimental. Believing one is powerless over an addiction makes it so, for one thing. Blaming my foolish choices and voluntary decisions on a fictitious disease did nothing but reinforce the notion that I was doomed to lifelong addiction. Trust me on this one, Danny---I was about as strung out as a person can get without being dead, and was consciously trying to exit the building permanently. I have since broken an addiction that lasted well over a decade, and I was able to do it only after I rejected the cornerstone concepts on which the Stepcult is based, and began accepting my responsibility for, and my control over, my addiction.
Many of you sound like the staff I listened to and rejected because I knew they were full of shit because they had no idea of what they are talking about.
Danny, I could easily say the exact same thing about your comments. With your dogma and rhetoric spewing, and your rejection of facts about and critical study of AA/NA/--A, you have been acting much like the staff of one of the places by which many here were victimized. You have rejected facts in favor of slogans, reason in favor of superstition, and, perhaps most sadly of all, rejected your power of choice in favor of learned helplessness.
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Yeah, so I get it, danny B. you really really like A.A. You believe in it, you endorse it , you really really wish every one else would ,too.
I don't.
This reads like a teen gossip column, and it would be morbidly 'cute' were the legal and social ramifications not so great. Actually, this is not so damned funny, given that legal and social policy is written and enacted on just such evil nonsense. People have spent lifetimes 'inside the fence' just to satisfy the vague unreasoning moral yearnings of the 'true believers' in our midst. Oddly, the same folk who loudly preach the A.A. nostrums are the same folk who abhor any discrimination at all, for the sake of any thing at all. Oh, but that might require independent thought. The Salem 'witch trials were awful, yet little or no probable cause is required in 'dope' cases.( probable harm or clear and present danger being pertinent criteria) and you are just fine with that. Do you not see how such naivete feeds the Narcos, and their incredibly violent machine. In their cause, you would qualify as 'dhimmi' or useful idiot. Here's two facts for the prohibitionists to consider.
A) one of the earliest known cultivated plants is marijuana. In excess of six thousand years, pre-dating agriculture as we know it.
B) One of the earliest known agricultural products is beer. some think potttery developed in order to make and store beer, and there is some evidence for that.
Although I no longer smoke rope, and haven't for many years, i still enjoy beer.( I'll confess here that i don't drink as much as I ought)
I'll hoist one to you and the other prohibitionists, while you ponder if the government has the right to tax ANY agricultural product. J.O.M
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Everytime I've wanted to run away (or as Felice said move on) 7 people say get back here and finish what you started. Fuck this is hard shit man.
Danny
Sooooo... is your coming on fornits and trying to proselytize about the 12-Step way ... some kind of AA gang initiation rite?
So...The cult has ordered you back to finish what you started? :waaaa:
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This pretty much sums up what I have been saying all along. Stepcraft term from treatment programs that in your minds means AA as a whole. Yes "rpt2003" if you were to talk with folks coming out of treatment centers they would have your opinion, if I had AA crammed down my throat (your term) as a discipline to live by and if I didn't want to do it how you (Treatment Center) wanted me to you would punished me. YES I WOULD HATE AA ....but that is not AA that is their (Treatment Center) interpretation of AA. That is why the very folks your talking about once they see AA on the outside they understand the difference.
I didn't have it crammed down my throat at first. And at first I was still brainwashed from Straight, so I thought AA was a great place/program to help people. Then I continued to go and get this queasy feeling inside. The more I went, the creepier it got. You make an awful lot of assumptions about why people don't like AA. It's like you're trying to come up with some reason, ANY reason why someone would dare criticize it because you just can't tolerate it.
I have had many folks compliment me on this since I started it.
Well bully for you. I've had many thank me profusely for speaking the truth about AA and releasing them from the mindcontrol.
So many of us on these sites are in AA more then are not I would bet on. Most other sites it is openly talked about without being attcked.
Uh huh....and if someone were to post something critical of AA I wonder how they'd be received.
I really did not know the amount of misunderstanding and or biased opinion that was on this site. Have your own opinion but stay with the facts about AA.
Back at ya.
My problem is it is being misrepresented here and has been forever.
No, I think you're representing yourself pretty accurately.
What if someone here on this site needed to see if AA could work for them not because this site deals with AA directly but because it spiked their interest in a post well shit they would not get any help here.
So what? This isn't a counseling site. It's a discussion group.
If you go back and read posts here AA is talked about alot and very often negative.
And it's one of the very few sites that is willing to talk openly about both sides.
So I just happen to be one person that is willing to talk positive and try to correct misinformation not minds. Just in case someone needs it.
And that's precisely what I'm doing too. Correcting misinformation.
I am not asking you to get my point really but to compare AA to Elan is just pure bunk or any other treatment center.
Danny
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Your opinion. Mine and quite a few others' differs. Why can you not accept that?
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You base them on no real study, no real life study. I have real life study so I talk. I have real life study of treatment centers so I talk.
And we don't?? Again, you make an awful lot of assumptions about us.
Catch my drift. I don't usually talk a lot about and spout off beliefs about something I don't have experience in.
Neither do I.
Dude I'm sorry, just because no one else has stood up like this before concerning AA
Are you fucking kidding me??? That's all you HEAR about is how great AA is. Very few sites that deal with treatment or AA will tolerate anything other than positivity regarding their precious program.
Everytime I've wanted to run away (or as Felice said move on) 7 people say get back here and finish what you started.
Again, bully for you.
Fuck this is hard shit man.
Danny
Critical thought often is.
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Trust me on this one, Danny---I was about as strung out as a person can get without being dead, and was consciously trying to exit the building permanently.
I can vouch for that and thank FSM you didn't!!
I have since broken an addiction that lasted well over a decade, and I was able to do it only after I rejected the cornerstone concepts on which the Stepcult is based, and began accepting my responsibility for, and my control over, my addiction.
BINGO!! That's exactly what happened to me.
With your dogma and rhetoric spewing, and your rejection of facts about and critical study of AA/NA/--A, you have been acting much like the staff of one of the places by which many here were victimized. You have rejected facts in favor of slogans, reason in favor of superstition, and, perhaps most sadly of all, rejected your power of choice in favor of learned helplessness.
Yup. Couldn't agree more.
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Anne I don't know if you have realized but I am not talking with you but you seem to want to piggy back on everyone else comments/posts. You repost mine then comments on portions of what I said like your this informed pundit.
Not going to reply, so keep it up girl. It looks and read extremely foolish and immature. You need more RED, it's working.
Danny
You just did reply dearie and, hate to inform you, but this is the entire purpose of a discussion board. I could give a shit if you reply to me or not. I'll continue to respond to any nonsense that you post when I feel it appropriate.
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Anne I don't know if you have realized but I am not talking with you but you seem to want to piggy back on everyone else comments/posts. You repost mine then comments on portions of what I said like your this informed pundit.
Not going to reply, so keep it up girl. It looks and read extremely foolish and immature. You need more RED, it's working.
Danny
You just did reply dearie and, hate to inform you, but this is the entire purpose of a discussion board. I could give a shit if you reply to me or not. I'll continue to respond to any nonsense that you post when I feel it appropriate.
Look Anne, let go of the past! We agree it is time to get honest with yourself and do some soul searching.
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