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From: our wiki page - talk section

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author this page needs more info and defiantly more accurate. your bashing a great place that did have an unfortunate accident that it is ultimately paying for in the end. they will shut down dec 31. out of over 1500 students there are 1000s of success stories. and trust me all that have been lucky to have been touched by alldredge will tell you so. everyones thoughts and prays are with Lewis family.

Please dont delete it. Please improve the article by finding survivors and more links about the program structure, Lewis's death, the trial, transfer of ownership and now the closure.

We could also use the exact postal address for the village they used for level 2. Such sites could be used by a new program.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Film on Aaron Bacon
« on: December 22, 2008, 04:40:06 AM »
We have members of spft on parent forums too - undercover. What is missing is solutions in the community which are NOT punishments.

What can you say to a parent to a child who are nearly 18 and have the mind of a 14 year old hating her own race and are currently on the streets because her mom called the cops in a moment of fear when she was punched down on the ground? This particular girls is ill but won't of course choose the solution the society has in hand for her: Jail because she is wanted on a bench warrant.

What do you say to another mother, who has a son who either was blackmailed or had to pay for drugs and let other addicts empty the house?

While we are fighting programs, we have to understand that the society has to offer other solutions beside programs as well. Else we can provide all the information in the world we want, but the parents would be caught by the government who will blame them and jail them when they allow their kids to act quite normal like Elisa Kelly and her husband (Pardoned from an insane sentence of 4 years because they served alcohol at a party for teens). How many parents are not forced to pay for their teens in the juvie or in a state sponsored RTC and placed in a situation where they as well could pay a private firm for the same warehousing?

How many times are the parents not told by the government how dangerous it is to have certain thing on record (truancy, alcohol possession or violence) when applying for college or having a criminal record when seeking a job.

The 1990s was a time when introducing zero-tolerance became the norm. 1 out of 100 are in prisons now. Some are teens serving life and now we know that most of them would not be a threat if they are released once they are matured around age 25. Some shouldn't be in prison at all (curfew breaking, underage alcohol possession and various slips in probation) but should wear a GPS-bracelet instead because they impose no danger to society.

But we have to think about the amount of information his parent had at their disposal in 1994. There were no ISAC, HEAL, Cafety, Spft or Fornits. There were no internet where they could google news about deaths. They had to rely on a combination of the marketing from the programs and all the warnings from the government telling them that Aaron was a candidate for the soon to be three strike laws.

I cannot pass judgment on them for their decision. Without the information we have at hand today they could only have saved his life by hiking beside him.

But we have to remember that while we have gone some miles and we all have done a good days work with revealing the abuse in the programs, we are far from reaching the goal, because still today the parents are caught in the middle by the actions of their kids and the hammer from the justice system, which can send their child to jail for life.

Let us be satisfied with documenting the past and start improve the future. Off to work!!!

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: the way i see it
« on: December 20, 2008, 03:19:13 AM »
I will let a parent answer, which have nothing to do with us and are on a parenting board.

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I think maybe what I am seeing is that you are kind of enmeshed with dtr--you seem to identify strongly with her and you know what you want for her but she is going to have to discover for herself what she wants for herself and you will have to let her do that. It is hard to let go of our dreams for our kids but you really do have to separate yourself as a person from her. I know, I had to do the same with my gfg1 and it was so hard.

My gfg1 basically just quit going to school when she was 15 and in 9th grade. She ended up in her rtc at the end of 9th grade and I guess she had about a 10th grade education when she said she was done with school. This was never what I envisioned for my dtr--I had to come to the conclusion finally that her mental health was more important than school. She ended up court ordered to a rehab when she was 17 and it was there that she took an interest in getting her GED and worked really hard for it. This was something I didn't even mention to her--I was so relieved that she was off the streets and getting drug treatment that the school part was minor to me. She wanted it for herself and she worked for it and got it.

I guess my point really is that you can want all these things for your dtr but she has to want them for herself and she has to own her choices and her life. She is at the age where the more you push for what you want (which is of course what we all want for our kids) the more she will resist. She has to feel like these things are important to her, not just to you.

It sounds like you are so caught up in her life that she feels like it is your life she is having to live rather than her own. If your world is going to fall apart based on her failing school or having sex or lying or manipulating then that gives her great power over you. I think if you can stay very neutral with her, have strong boundaries and stay in control of your own emotions you might have more success.

I hope I don't sound preachy or like a know-it-all--I am just a parent who has made a million mistakes but now has some insight into what might have worked better. Sure wish I could go back to when gfg1 was a teen and do some things differently.

Resume: As a parent you can push your child, you can imprison your child, basically you can go as far as drag them down on a Christian ranch in Missouri and let the staff use the paddle on them with +1000 licks (If you do it yourself, it is prisontime).

But it really doesn't matter. Regardless of what you do your child will mature without you doing anything. Every single person have a certain amount of greed. They want jobs, they want success.

So let the 15-16 year old child drop out and find a job for them at a farm or as bagger in the supermarket. They can have food and clean clothes at home, but everything else they have to earn - even the money to rent a movie or attending some kind of sport. My brother gave up school in Form 9. He worked in a factory making windows, a person dragging bricks in construction, as a person in various jobs for a short period. Then aged 25 he decided to get an education. He took form 10 with even better grades than mine. Next he got an internship in business selling milk. He is now certified to drive even the largest trucks and doesn't use drugs or smoke tobacco. He just matured 10 years later. Could he have gone to college? Yes, he had the grades for it, but I doubt that his later choices would have been different.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Montana Academy
« on: December 19, 2008, 03:33:17 PM »
When I searched information so Rotsne could update the datasheet, I took a minute to survey the facebook group of survivors.

I found this thread

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.... Then I got it right. I went through MA and was at the transition house for 8 months. I didn't want to leave but they made me graduate since my folks cut the funding.

It is not emotional growth or progress but money that make kids graduate this program - only lack of money.

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Facility Question and Answers / Re: boys/girls town?
« on: December 19, 2008, 04:52:32 AM »
It is a difficult question to reply on. There are no standard how they are run.

Each community can create their own program if they want to cut down on the population in the juvies. I found a newspaper article when I looked for info in the local neighborhood of a wwasp jail in Nevada.

As you can see they run non-residential programs, which allows non-voilent offers to remain in their home instead of having the cost to house them in a juvie. Still the day is rather structured to keep them from hanging in the street. I hope that such day-treatment will be used because while we are fighting RTC, the law has to be upheld.

I also found a link to a system in Nebreska with a number of different programs.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Allredge Wilderness closes
« on: December 18, 2008, 04:01:18 PM »
According to a pressrelease published at the industry marketing firm the wilderness program is going to close: Alldredge Academy To Close Dec. 31.

More info: Alldredge Wilderness Jouney wiki datasheet - European copy

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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / New CEDU-Ascent spin-off ?
« on: December 18, 2008, 04:55:14 AM »
Paulu reported that he had found something called Freedom Mountain Academy.

While it looked like a normal wilderness therapy program, we discovered the fiction they are reading.

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I was given a book by Kahlil Gibran to read called, The Prophet. I was reading this book because I was going through some stuff that was life changing.
I have heard about this book before in relationship with CEDU.

Is this wilderness program a CEDU spin-off?

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If the photo are of ordinary meals and the staff eat from the same kitchen as the students, I wont apply for the job at Oceanside:

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Family Representative/Parent Coordinator (Rosarito, BC, Mexico) for Boarding School/Behavior Modification Program

Communication in English and Spanish Fluently a must
Able to travel to Rosarito Baja California for work and occasionally in the USA
Computer Knowledge
Office Word and Excel
Monday thru Friday and occasional weekends
Liaison between Teen and Parents
Ability to listen, take criticism and handle miscommunication

We are willing to offer:
$2,000.00 dollars/month, Room and Board (private room and bath)
Includes: Rent, Food (3 Healthy and Delicious Meals per day), Electricity, Water and Trash Removal

Location: Rosarito, BC, Mexico
Compensation: $2,000.00 dollars/month
This is a contract job.
OK for recruiters to contact this job poster.
Please, no phone calls about this job!
You may contact job poster about other services, products or commercial interests.
PostingID: XXXXXXXX

They promise "3 Healthy and Delicious Meals per day". While I cannot apply for the job due to my poor skills in the servant language (which is poor even if you compare them with my poor English skill).

Why is the job-offer posted under healthcare with that food standard, unless the healthcare sector is the destination if you choose to eat it?

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No it is this one: http://www.wolfeboro.org/podium/default.aspx?t=109178

if you should take this source serious: http://www.tv.com/pete-wentz/person/412083/trivia.html

No as much as a boot camp as Bethel, but bad enough. The time in camp seems to have been lowered from 8 weeks to 6.5 weeks. From program homepage

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We believe that getting up on time, maintaining a clean and orderly tent, attending meals,
attending classes, completing academic assignments on time and to the satisfaction of the
teacher, participating in healthy outdoor recreation, studying two hours in the evening and
going to bed on time is not asking too much.

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Facility Question and Answers / Re: Keeping Bad News on Search Engines
« on: December 17, 2008, 01:01:28 AM »
One of the reasons for keeping Fornits Wiki is to keep the bad news, so we always can start new threads here and on othe message boards.

We never knew when it comes in handy. I have an example from one of the other spft people. On a parents message board where he is undercover, a mother had to receive a comforting word because her son was kicked out of rehab maybe because the mother phoned the rehab all time askings questions or maybe because the boy left the campus against the rules.

So because our mole is the nice guy he is, he linked to the 450,000 settlement made by whitmore and Sue Scheff defense blog to prove that rehabs lie and try to down critical statemetns. Our mole ended his part with a statement about how good a mother she was because if they kicked the son out because of her phone calls the rehab properly had sometime to hide followed by "You are so a good mom and I pray for you. (((hug))) (((hug))) etc."

Well the mother thanked our mole for his support. She was happy because some could find evidence to support her. An evidence, which would have been hard to find in minutes, if we did not have access to the wiki database.

A week ago the users of the message board was the frighten by the "discovery" that certain boarding schools in Idaho had a past connecting them to a cult and that they used confrontation therapy. The parents didn't know.

We can bring the wiki and the bad news up in the top again. We can choose to adopt our own parent message board where we can act like a caring and supporting parent and while we pad them on the shoulders and send a lot of hugs, we can smuggle link after link into these message boards sending both the wiki and the links to the bad news up in the top. There is a world outside Fornits where parents made decision after decision based on poor facts. We knows the facts. There is an old saying: "If the Mountain wont come to Muhammed, then Muhammed have to go to the Mountain".

I have a message board which we have not manpower to cover: http://www.runboard.com/bnarcissisticabuserecovery

Who will volunteer? From the Wiki I have a Dr. phil show where he critizise "Casa by the Sea" without giving the name of the facility. Over at the antiwwasp forum a survivor identified the girl in the show as one she has been in "family" with. Its a start.

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You can choose whatever option you like and you can also write Covergaard in private by mail. While he is still in recovery, he is able to work on computers. We would be happy to ad your website to our sources but we don't remove the old. On the wiki all sources should appear unless they are referrals to the program. I will be looking at your website and include both the information in this thread and what is on the website. We are happy to work with you.

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It could be solved by him if he choosed to move to a cheaper hosting solution. Instead all these attacks on other website, try offer solutions instead of just critisism.

His message board provides valuable information for Secret Prisons for teens as many other boards and while we dont refer, we dont judge either. The world is not black and white.

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Open Free for All / Prison population - They forget some
« on: December 15, 2008, 02:43:47 PM »
Pew Report Finds More than One in 100 Adults are Behind Bars

They should create tables about youth and include the teens in programs also.

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Femanon4Che: Thank you very much. I will improve our datasheet about high impact with your information.

The Anti-wwasp forum has worked really hard helping Jensp with the location of High Impact. Our favorite is this location. What is your input? We always try to locate the location of each program because they have this thing by opening under a new name.

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