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Elan School / jon
« on: April 10, 2004, 05:44:00 PM »
The hint didn't work, who is this and I will hit you up.
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Elan School / Jordo, I think maybe you have struck a nerve...
« on: April 10, 2004, 12:42:00 AM »
Who ever this advocate is, good for him/her. You are entitled to your opinion. But this site should never be shut down. Let the people speak. If you fear what is said then that is your fear, not mine or anyone elses. Yes, sometimes things get out of hand, but things are said that need to be said.
I graduated Elan, and was well respected, you don't have to respect me now, but you should respect all the people that visit this site.
On the Ken note. I have lost any respect I had for him. I thought his site was good and a place to voice anothe opinion. Afte r i read all his many, many defenses, it makes me think he is guilty. Ken, who are you trying to convince you are innocent, and why are you trying so hard/ If you didn't do anything then you shuld have let it go a long time ago.
Hi everyone, I have been in hiding, sorry.
Jon
I graduated Elan, and was well respected, you don't have to respect me now, but you should respect all the people that visit this site.
On the Ken note. I have lost any respect I had for him. I thought his site was good and a place to voice anothe opinion. Afte r i read all his many, many defenses, it makes me think he is guilty. Ken, who are you trying to convince you are innocent, and why are you trying so hard/ If you didn't do anything then you shuld have let it go a long time ago.
Hi everyone, I have been in hiding, sorry.
Jon
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Elan School / Dave McVetty
« on: March 18, 2004, 10:38:00 PM »
E7HaterJe - Whoever you are I just wanted you to know about Hiram. He is a good man, and if you wrote to him he did not get it. I have emailed him sevral times over the years, and he has always gotten back to me. He also took a weekend to come to Boston and visit me. He recently had a second child and took his free weekend to spend with me. With Hiram there was no bullshit, jst the truth. Smoke and Mirrors all around at Elan, but not with Hiram, he mosy likely moved or something, I am sure he would have written you back. By the way, who are you?
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Elan School / Jordan
« on: February 25, 2004, 09:57:00 PM »
I have lost your number and havent been home when you called. Leave your number if i am not home. Jon
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Elan School / An Elan thought....To everyone
« on: February 05, 2004, 12:21:00 AM »
My beliefs are my beliefs, not yours or anyone elses. Same as you. You never ccan write someone off for having different beliefs, and I certainly would not.
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Elan School / An Elan thought....To everyone
« on: February 04, 2004, 11:07:00 PM »
Peter,
I am sorry to say that I do not remember what happened with you X. If somehow I offended you I sincerly apologize. I cannot remember the last time you tried to contact me. When you were in Boston I thought I went out of my way to spend as much time as I could with you (while i was working) and do not remember any ill will. I f so I am sorry. If you would like to elaborate on this feel free to email me at [email protected]. Maybe If you jog my memory I can elaborate on my actions. Jon.
I am sorry to say that I do not remember what happened with you X. If somehow I offended you I sincerly apologize. I cannot remember the last time you tried to contact me. When you were in Boston I thought I went out of my way to spend as much time as I could with you (while i was working) and do not remember any ill will. I f so I am sorry. If you would like to elaborate on this feel free to email me at [email protected]. Maybe If you jog my memory I can elaborate on my actions. Jon.
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Elan School / The ring
« on: February 04, 2004, 09:11:00 PM »
You are such a well traveled person Marina, where are you now. All the culture you posses intrigues me. My spelling is horrible so you must forgive me. Was the cook still fat Bob? Wow, the food could not have been worse. Sheppards pie topped with lard, the only meal I could eat was sunday brunch, and I loved the lower you were on the dicotomy meant you got scraps left over. And what the fuck kind of pizza was that, it was so bad? But damn, it sure tasted good to me compared to the Elan food. Do you know that Prison food is better and healthier? THe state requires it. Things that make you go hhhmmmmmmmmmm
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Elan School / An Elan thought....To everyone
« on: February 04, 2004, 08:50:00 PM »
He reffered to me a bit, about what and why the hell?
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Elan School / An Elan thought....To everyone
« on: February 04, 2004, 06:03:00 PM »
I have spent many hours trolling through the internet, seeing Elan sites and reading stories and learning of survivors.
With all the intelligent and experienced Elan Alum, why not get together and do something about it. Why not atart our own program where we can actually help others who are like us when we were younger. A program that combines the discipline needed but the insight and understanding to actually help others? I recieved my degree in Psychology and have worked for several program that suck, so I changed professions. But with the right people and funding, instead of bitching about what i wrong with Elan, why not make a program that is right.
One concept I liked about Elan is that many aff had been through there own shit. Perhaps they did not have the right mentality and self dignity to help others the proper way. Maybe somewhere along the line they forgot where they had come from. Thats when a real leader lets that staff member go before a child gets hurt. Joe Ricci cold never do that, it was a cash cow for him. But what if some of us got together and actually made a difference in this world, preventing others from going through what we had to.
I will not elaborate more because I am not sure if anyone will even repond to this, but I wold love others inputes. If Joe Ricci can start a program and have it all messed up why can't we have one that really does some good?
With all the intelligent and experienced Elan Alum, why not get together and do something about it. Why not atart our own program where we can actually help others who are like us when we were younger. A program that combines the discipline needed but the insight and understanding to actually help others? I recieved my degree in Psychology and have worked for several program that suck, so I changed professions. But with the right people and funding, instead of bitching about what i wrong with Elan, why not make a program that is right.
One concept I liked about Elan is that many aff had been through there own shit. Perhaps they did not have the right mentality and self dignity to help others the proper way. Maybe somewhere along the line they forgot where they had come from. Thats when a real leader lets that staff member go before a child gets hurt. Joe Ricci cold never do that, it was a cash cow for him. But what if some of us got together and actually made a difference in this world, preventing others from going through what we had to.
I will not elaborate more because I am not sure if anyone will even repond to this, but I wold love others inputes. If Joe Ricci can start a program and have it all messed up why can't we have one that really does some good?
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Elan School / The ring
« on: February 04, 2004, 05:53:00 PM »
MArina,
I am sorry for all tha tyou went through. At the time I was there I was the "star" basketball player and did recieve many privleges that others did not. I very quickly learned to play the game to survive. After I grew up after Elan I finally saw through all of Perters smoke and Mirrors. When I was struggling after I called Peter many times, and not once did he call back. Tania, Terri and Hiram all did. Hiram is one of the most incredible people I have ever met. I also believe Tania is misunderstood but her heart is in the right place. Sometime I will tell some stories of Peter that are fabulous, just great examples of the fact that he is a complete loser and uses Elan to make himself feel better.
Marina, I am glad you shared that with me, it shows that others saw through his shit. Race, religion, beliefs, and apperance should never be held agaist another, especially a child who is trying to find themselves and are obviously struggling to do so. There is a time for tough love, but no one can survive without encouragement and understanding.
I am sorry for all tha tyou went through. At the time I was there I was the "star" basketball player and did recieve many privleges that others did not. I very quickly learned to play the game to survive. After I grew up after Elan I finally saw through all of Perters smoke and Mirrors. When I was struggling after I called Peter many times, and not once did he call back. Tania, Terri and Hiram all did. Hiram is one of the most incredible people I have ever met. I also believe Tania is misunderstood but her heart is in the right place. Sometime I will tell some stories of Peter that are fabulous, just great examples of the fact that he is a complete loser and uses Elan to make himself feel better.
Marina, I am glad you shared that with me, it shows that others saw through his shit. Race, religion, beliefs, and apperance should never be held agaist another, especially a child who is trying to find themselves and are obviously struggling to do so. There is a time for tough love, but no one can survive without encouragement and understanding.
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Elan School / The ring
« on: February 03, 2004, 08:11:00 PM »
I am very interested to ask how Peter was cruel. I mean, I know he was a male shovanist, so did it involve that. Like I said, he was a joke as far as i am concerned, I know some interesting private things about him. But it does not take away what he has done for that program, or does it?
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Elan School / The ring
« on: February 02, 2004, 10:47:00 AM »
I was there early 90's, E-7 before it became the T-Project house. and you? I have so many good and bad weird tales to tell. Just checking your profile, noticed you are in the business as me, just the other side. I have managed some high profile clubs and restaurants in Boston.
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Elan School / The ring
« on: February 02, 2004, 03:23:00 AM »
So many sights for Elan, I wish there was just one to gather everyone and everything together.
The ring was very much in effect when I was there. I remember this Kid Joe wanted so bad to go on his trip so he could "split" he worked hard to get to "strength" after months of being shotdown. Problem was the kid couldn't keep his mouth shut (something you need to learn at Elan, or at least who you can talk to. Tanya Merette found out and called a house in the dinning room, but didnt say GM. She called Joe up and had myself( I think I was Cheif at the time) and several other males stand around him. I heard Joe mumble something about how he better not lose his job. Tania atarted ripping into him, yelling and then she shot him down, blowing his trip and his chance at freedom. Then Joe mumbled something under his breath. I am not sure what Tanya was thinking, but she got real close and said "what did you say". Then Joe knocked her one. I mean, he really laid into her. Blood was everywhere. Me and Nick D. (God bless his soul, he just passed away) and Elliot Free began kicking the crap outta him, and the staff sort of let us do it.
Joe was put into the corner. Tanya was out for a while ( I am not sure ow long) but she came bac one day, nose all bandaged up and we had a three house GM/Ring. Resident after resident was put into the ring to pummel tis kid Joe. I know exactly how many it was because I wa #6, and he was knocked out right before me. I actually had the gloves on, but they couldnt get him up.
After that he was put in a room with an SP. Things got worse. in 91/92 there were still a lot of inner city kids at Elan, and a few were accused of forming there own gang. I remember Maria ( God bless her kind soul) confronting Danny Cooper, and Danny going after her, which ignited the second riot I had seen at Elan so far. Im talking 40 kids going at it, chairs being broken over Dave Mcvety's back, toasters as weapons, scared 13 year olds running for their lives. By the time peace was restored half our basketball team was arrested (thats why we sucked the first year, ask Peter Rowe) and police from all around were there.
Thats one of my many ring stories, but my favorite has to be Julie Cooks asskicking of little girls who were bad. But thats a story for another time. I loved Tanya, Pete, Hiram, Dave and Terri. Looking back, they were instituting the rules of the program. Seperate they were always there with insight and advice when needed. I mean, there are things I hate about my stay, things I think were wrong and messed up. But for the most part the staff were people helping people. Maybe Peter was a cocky egomaniac that I would have tooled on if I knew him in college, but man, the guy can ball for an old man and some of his advice was good. Tanya could be cold, but she knew her shit and made you earn everything. Hiram may be the smartest man I still have ever met, and I still take some things he said to me to heat. And Terri, well, she was real and I miss her. Hope my story entertained a few.
The ring was very much in effect when I was there. I remember this Kid Joe wanted so bad to go on his trip so he could "split" he worked hard to get to "strength" after months of being shotdown. Problem was the kid couldn't keep his mouth shut (something you need to learn at Elan, or at least who you can talk to. Tanya Merette found out and called a house in the dinning room, but didnt say GM. She called Joe up and had myself( I think I was Cheif at the time) and several other males stand around him. I heard Joe mumble something about how he better not lose his job. Tania atarted ripping into him, yelling and then she shot him down, blowing his trip and his chance at freedom. Then Joe mumbled something under his breath. I am not sure what Tanya was thinking, but she got real close and said "what did you say". Then Joe knocked her one. I mean, he really laid into her. Blood was everywhere. Me and Nick D. (God bless his soul, he just passed away) and Elliot Free began kicking the crap outta him, and the staff sort of let us do it.
Joe was put into the corner. Tanya was out for a while ( I am not sure ow long) but she came bac one day, nose all bandaged up and we had a three house GM/Ring. Resident after resident was put into the ring to pummel tis kid Joe. I know exactly how many it was because I wa #6, and he was knocked out right before me. I actually had the gloves on, but they couldnt get him up.
After that he was put in a room with an SP. Things got worse. in 91/92 there were still a lot of inner city kids at Elan, and a few were accused of forming there own gang. I remember Maria ( God bless her kind soul) confronting Danny Cooper, and Danny going after her, which ignited the second riot I had seen at Elan so far. Im talking 40 kids going at it, chairs being broken over Dave Mcvety's back, toasters as weapons, scared 13 year olds running for their lives. By the time peace was restored half our basketball team was arrested (thats why we sucked the first year, ask Peter Rowe) and police from all around were there.
Thats one of my many ring stories, but my favorite has to be Julie Cooks asskicking of little girls who were bad. But thats a story for another time. I loved Tanya, Pete, Hiram, Dave and Terri. Looking back, they were instituting the rules of the program. Seperate they were always there with insight and advice when needed. I mean, there are things I hate about my stay, things I think were wrong and messed up. But for the most part the staff were people helping people. Maybe Peter was a cocky egomaniac that I would have tooled on if I knew him in college, but man, the guy can ball for an old man and some of his advice was good. Tanya could be cold, but she knew her shit and made you earn everything. Hiram may be the smartest man I still have ever met, and I still take some things he said to me to heat. And Terri, well, she was real and I miss her. Hope my story entertained a few.