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Well Odie, I am very happy to hear you admit when you are wrong. The information was on the site yesterday and has been since the Daytop Program was accredited. You are also correct when you mention that Daytop was JCAHO accredited in the past.
Misleading Point #1They have allowed that accreditation to expire since they have chosen to go with CARF.
JCAHO has higher standards than CARF and Daytop could only hide their inadequecies for so long.
 This I have since learned. I do want to state that the quote from the Daytop web site was for year reference only. I was not going to argue the point without correct information. If you are interested in the facts, contact the JCAHO and establish the years of accreditation. On your other point about Daytop doing a credential check. You again assume Daytop is neglect in their efforts. You can Google the incident and find numerous links that will explain the whole story. The fact is Daytop not only did a credential check that showed the individual was licensed and in good standing with the state. They also did a background check and a reference check. All have been proven and all showed someone who at the time seemed above board.
Misleading Point # 2 If you look, you will also find that the Prosecutors office involved in the case acknowledged that Daytop, Not the authorities were the ones who brought this information into light. Federal Law required them to report child abuse. If they hadn't and one of those abused kids did they would have lost their license. It's a case of CYA.
Odie, you exhaust allot of efforts looking to prove your point. Anyone can do that.
Misleading Point # 3  The fact is and remains the Program does help people. I'd rather look at results like how many people that enter the program actually finish it as opposed to saying it helps people.
Misleading Point # 4 As for the New York, CARF accreditation. You already know that Daytop, NY has roughly 10 -15 facilities. These must all be accredited at the same time. This takes years for each state to organize and facilitate. The point being made is that Daytop has evolved. SO should you. You can inquire about the CARF accreditation and Daytop, NY pursuit of it. It's happening. They are and have been in the process for a couple of years. I would imagine they will acquire it in the near future (I'm sure you will have a reason as to why they don't have it now),
Daytop in NY started to try to be CARF accredited in 1997 and has yet to accomplish it. I can see a couple of years to get your shit together but 9? Gimme a break.
Misleading Point # 5 Odie, Times have changed. Get with it. You only tell a one sided view of one experience. You know that there is more to the story.
Yes I only tell the side that I experienced as an employee for ten years, I almost want to forget the atrocities I experienced as a resident.
But you should be Honest and you are not.
Misleading Pont #6 There was also a previous post about Daytop selling off the Florida and Texas Facilities. Wrong again. Those states incorporated a Corrections based treatment model. Daytop chose to leave in order to keep the Integrity of the Daytop Program. They were not willing to allow the Corrections department to dictate treatment or determine how long a person must be in treatment (and in some cases return to jail).
That was true in Florida but they surely didn't just give their properties to Phoenix House. You don't even wanna get into the Texas fiasco because your info is totally wrong.
 As for California, I?m sure there is more to the story. You have to try and see good in people and not assume they are trying to hurt people or that there is some master conspiracy taking place. Remember Odie, Honesty, Honesty, and Honesty. I wish you well.  :wink:  :idea:  :exclaim:  :wink:

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