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Daytop Village / Re: RIP, Inculcated
« on: December 03, 2017, 03:51:04 AM »
disturbing and upsetting..

We should consider that a victory and applaud

It sticks around, because people still got
things to say, and that's great.

But it's not the grand central station it
once was..

reason being,, it fulfilled it's purpose.

We concretised out own views and changed the
views of the country.

... and vented and had a lot of fun along the way.

It may never be documented,  but history was made,
right here,  in this webpage called ,
" Fornits".

one of the best quotes I ever heard
was , " The goal of an honest organization
is to put itself out of business"

Tacitus' Realm / Re: Tea Baggers Shut the fuck up.
« on: November 29, 2011, 02:08:25 PM »

And who are you?

Tacitus' Realm / Re: Tea Baggers Shut the fuck up.
« on: November 29, 2011, 01:40:03 PM »
Quote from: "Horatio"
Quote from: "Paul St. John"
Justify this to me.  No quotes.. No stupid articles.. Use YOUR fucking brain!  and justify YOUR  chosen stance!


Paul, I am not sure what is your problem but I am not interested in engaging in verbal warfare. I started this thread with a article a friend of a friend emailed me. I even noted that it was confrontational.

I believe you wrote that you disagreed with the vulgarity, but agreed with the rest of it.. I replied, that your friend was an idiot.

 I was trying to drum up conversation for a critical situation happening in America right now. The occupiers and just regular people protesting the unequal distribution of wealth in this country right now.

I did not believe that wealth was to be distributed.  Wealth is not a given.. Wealth is created.. always has been.. Now, who are the slaves that we pick to produce it, so taht we have it to distribute, and which and who is all-knowing enough to choose how it is distributed, or perhaps, I should say "redistributed" , as it actually belongs to, whoever produces it.

 On several threads I have expressed my opinions on this very subject. I just don't think I am so right that I want to go around and became overly excited about my opinions.

Well, if you don t think that you are RIGHT, then why WRITE, on your numerous threads, and elsewhere.
Good luck.



PS  Who the hell are you, really?  You have a facebook page with zero activity other then it's mere creation, and "friending" some people.

Tacitus' Realm / Re: What is the economy anyway ??
« on: November 29, 2011, 01:29:11 PM »
Quote from: "starry-eyed pirate"
Right, as I help you refine your vision, with basic sensibility, because you have gotten it all figured out, and I am just a conditioned dolt.  


Well, I wouldn't be so crude.  I have considered your words.  I thought you asked as I did. I have no ill will toward you. You have given me reason to consider what is really goin on, but you have yet to present a valid argument against my position.

No one has yet shown me a better understanding of justice, on this thread.  I am not seeking enemies.[/quote]

Sorry took so long.. Ol' Paul has been Super Busy.. Anyhow.. I don t consider us enemies.. LOL.. In the end, it is your life, and you can do with it what you will.. I disagree with your ideas however.. and I do it quite proudly.. but as I said.. it s your life.. In regards to arguments , I do not think you understood most of what I wrote, and those things that you did, you simply assimilated, which is a good thing, in itself, I suppose.  Was I crude.. don t know.. Was really exhausted at the time I replied , and nonetheless so, right now. I did not like being preached to.. See to be completely honest with you, I think your ideas are ridiculous, and for you to set up an insinuation, that anyone who doesn t want to "drop out", is somehow indoctrined, and conditioned, got me just a bit pissed.  I am a very proud person.. Yes.. I question.. I do it frequently, and ruthlessly, but I don t do it on my knees.. I do it on my feet.


Tacitus' Realm / Re: What is the economy anyway ??
« on: November 23, 2011, 02:05:11 PM »
Quote from: "starry-eyed pirate"
Quote from: "Paul St. John"
Quote from: "starry-eyed pirate"
Quote from: "Paul St. John"
Quote from: "starry-eyed pirate"
regardless of the acidification of our oceans,
and the burning and clearing of the worlds rain forests, the degradation of air quality, or the toxification of the water table, the eradication of indigenous, sustainable cultures, and unique animal/plant species, etc. Is that what you mean to convey ?? I hope not.

Most of these things are WAY overstated by pseudo-scientists, and others who just do not know what they are talking ab out. As to the extent, to which there is some truth, progress always has issues along the way, and the only people who don t notice that are the people who do not do anything. We are always finding better ways to do things. It is very hard to be perfect all the time.. Of course, if you do absolutely nothing at all, yuo will make no mistakes, and it is very easy to critique those who do. the one specific thing I would actually like to address is about the sustainable, indigenous cultures. No one has killed them or anything, and it could be taken that way, the way you put it.

But all in all, I am not going to lie, I care more about people then about rain forests, oceans, or plant species.


Man you are really missin it.

What is the "it' that I am missing?  Can you define it?


I've done my best.  I think if you consider what I'm saying as you look around, you might see it. Put away all your social conditioning.  forget your education and just look around.[/quote]

Right, as I help you refine your vision, with basic sensibility, because you have gotten it all figured out, and I am just a conditioned dolt.  


Tacitus' Realm / Re: Tea Baggers Shut the fuck up.
« on: November 23, 2011, 01:58:40 PM »
Justify this to me.  No quotes.. No stupid articles.. Use YOUR fucking brain!  and justify YOUR  chosen stance!


Tacitus' Realm / Re: Tea Baggers Shut the fuck up.
« on: November 23, 2011, 01:55:54 PM »
Not only me, though, there will be a lot of us.  You like bullying guys in suits trying to make a living..

LOL!  I wonder how you punks would like it if the tables were turned...

You are protected!  But not if you go too far!  You don t think about the businessmen that you are taunting, and literally spitting on.  You do not think of the fear that you are instilling in them and their families..

All these different times that you fucking losers have mobilized, you did not think of all the innocent citizens lives who you were obstructing for no fucking reason.  


Tacitus' Realm / Re: Tea Baggers Shut the fuck up.
« on: November 23, 2011, 01:49:58 PM »
Quote from: "Horatio"
"It is well that the people of the nation do not understand are banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a REVOLUTION before tomorrow morning."
 - Henry Ford

I'll agree that most people do not understand it.  A revolution?  maybe.. Maybe not.  Perhaps, in Ford's day.. Of course today, there are some people who understand, and I do not see a revolution.  Or could it even be possible that Henry Ford was just exaggerating to make a point?  Or maybe even he was wrong?  After all, he was one of the top one percent, and in your book, doesn t that automatically make him the enemy?

And of course, most importantly, I do not see how this addresses anything that I have wrote above, or anything that is of the topic of discussion.. I wonder.. do YOU even understand our banking/monetary, or are you just a fan of quotes?

I'll tell you what you resemble with this post, and pretty much every single post that you have written in the this thread- a person who has been indoctrinated by a cult or program, or a victim of brainwashing.

I identify and explain.. you shoot out silly nuggets that you use to support your ideas..

The reason you resemble this, and I am a bit sorry to tell you this.. is because operating in the exact same mode.  You have been throughout all of our discussions.  You are extremely closed-minded.  You are like some kinda 99 percent true believer. Just because we want to believe something does not make it true.  

"Only a fool would try to deprive working men and working women their right to join the union of their choice."
- Dwight D. Eisenhower

Well, if someone said it, then of course, there is no doubt that it must be fact.  Do you agree with every word that Eisenhower has ever said?
Either way, I am not sure what this has anything to do with anything, you silly one.

As far as my personal view, it is a bit more complicated then just that, and if you really want to get into it, I will surely oblige.  

"Were not from the left, were not from the right, were from the bottom and were coming for the top."
- anonymous

That truly does sound like the words of an OCCUPIER!!!!!!!

It makes me think of a movie when I was a teenager.. There was a Jewish Kid attending an all catholic, school, where bigotry was basically norm.. Shit.. can t remember the name of it.

But there was a quote that I so loved and always remembered.

One of the staff says to the guy...

" Jesus said that the meek shall inherit the earth. "

and the dude looks at the teacher and says , " and will they still be meek once they have inherited it"?

Still gives me goosebumps.. Really puts things into perspective .. doesn t it?

Oh and BTW, to get the top, from the bottom, you gotta go through the middle, and you ain t getting past me.. :)

You think I m kidding, but if the movement, ever became a serious threat to our society( which it DEFINITELY won t, because its a bunch of idiots ), I, that's right ME, would put an end to it. :)


Tacitus' Realm / Re: Tea Baggers Shut the fuck up.
« on: November 23, 2011, 01:27:27 PM »
Quote from: "Wayne Kernochan"
Bloomberg is an excellent mayor?


This city will spent 25 years recovering from this douchebag.

Who said anything about Bloomberg?

Tacitus' Realm / Re: Tea Baggers Shut the fuck up.
« on: November 22, 2011, 01:01:20 PM »
Paul, I sense a lot of discontent here.

It runs deeper then discontent.  I have had these thoughts for a very long time.  It is a situation which NEEDS to be remedied.  It is an evil that exists in a land that I love on a planet that I love- my planet.  Certain things are right.  Certain things are not.  However, I live within the system, and have to make the best of what is available to me.  The change that I am looking for may not be coming for some time, and as much as I owuld like to fast forward right to that time, instead, I have to hope that the world simply makes it long enough to get to that time, without too much disaster and unnecessary bullshit, for myself, and the world at large... so I back the things within the system which are the most sensible rational, and reasonable.. For example, the tea party is "if-y " at best, but at this point in time, I think that we would benefit immensely , form getting a decent amount of these people into office. I think many of them are full of shit as well, to be honest, but I think it is the right direction.  I am tired of republicans, and I am tired of democrats.  I want thinkers who will simply try to do what they think is right.

I am not clear on why exactly you would not get behind the 99% but hey, you have your right.

I appreciate your recognizing my right, and I do not mean that sarcastically.  The reason that I will not get behind them, is because they are a bunch of idiots.  They are stupid.. and they have no foundation.  Most of them want to solve the problem with more of the problem, and they are so naive that they are ripe for any crazy MFer who comes along making promises.  These people not only cannot be taken seriously, but to the extent that they are, they hurt any real progress towards greater liberty, and honesty in government.  They not only do not have the answers.. but most of them are not even "in the Know" enough , to have the questions.  I would bet that if you spent some time around them Horatio, things that they would and do would probably rub you the wrong way, and just not click with you.  Perhaps, I am wrong with that.. In NY, right now, there are so many different fractions of them, that they do not even agree on wnat they want, and they each seem a b it like their own special interest group.  Society's hatred for Wall Street has given them license to do this, while others keep society going.

There list of demands, not only , would all be approved of by Karl Marx, but they are also literally i9mpossible, and if we tried them , the very structure of our society would implode, i a very short amount of time... These things, which they want (LOL), simply cannot be done.  When we are kids many of us view the government, as this like omnipotent power, much like how we view our parents.. These people still think like that.  It is pure irrationality.  .. and the truth is it is very dangerous.  I don t fuck around Horatio.  I don t play games.  I am very serious about my viewpoints and this country as a whole.  I have things I want to do in my life, and I d like to have a world in which I can do them.  I have a deep inner conviction that I have a right to live my life to the fullest, and that is my fuel, which keeps my mind ever going.

I can t back the supposed 99 percent, the chosen name of which turns my stomach, because my enemy's enemy is not my friend just as such, and I waste not time of my life knowingly playing games.  I believe in getting shit done and making things happen.. I am all about the real thing.. not translucent, wannabe hippy- "we wanna be heard"- bullshit. [/quote]

We can make change and will.

Thus far, they have accomplished nothing, except obstructing the normal functioning, of , in my opinion, the greatest city in the world.  

Maybe as you said it will not be now or in a few years but I will not stand by as we are marginalized by the greedy and all powerful.

I am never marginalized.  I hold my head tall, and I am proud of myself.  This is something that evil people can never know.

I do believe in a person being able to build a company, flourish and reap the profits.

It is a right which needs be recognized.

So long as the person knows they did not do it all by themselves. The country they are living in participated, greatly.

Of course, I have to do some inferring, to know what you mean here, but I don t think that I agree.
I can say this, nobody owes me nothing.
Paul St. John

Tacitus' Realm / Re: Tea Baggers Shut the fuck up.
« on: November 21, 2011, 02:40:16 PM »
Personally, I think that the system will change, and I think that it will be in my lifetime.  I certainly hope so. I do not thinjk, however, that it will be due to the actions of thoise who refer to themselves as the 99%.  they lack direction, and sensibility.  Just to start, the location of the protest.  It should have been Washington. To me, in my mind, this is so clearly obvious, ande it just taints i9n my view, right off the bat, the credibility of this group, most of who in my opinion, at this point, are just looking for justification, to escape from life for awhile.  I also do not like the term "occupation". -LMAO!  I hope someone else picked up on that.  "Occupation" implies force, and militant action, and the truth is, that 99 percent of the punks, could never back such things up.  Additionally, does anyone else realise that while there a handful of people who live in the 99 percent, most of whom have earned it,  99 % of the 99% will no longer be in the 99 % in ten years.  It is ever fluctuating.  And if someone does succeed in getting the 99 percent, do they suddenly become evil?

For it to really happen, will require first vision, and understanding, then persistence, and perseverence.. And will require the types of individuals, of which there are very few of on the earth- individuals who would probably never associate themselves, with these 99 percfent quacks. Anyone who thinks that a bunch of nearly meaningless protests is going to put an end to a machine that has been going for so long, is crazy.  

Are there some real, real bad guys in politiocs?  Absolutly!  But do you think that they give a fuck about protests?  LOL!  hell NO!  They do not care if it is in the constitution or anything else.  The laws of the land serve one purpose and one purpose only to them. They use them to carry out their will.. that is it.  Corruption in the government goes so deep it is almost unfathomable.  Some of it is very, very intentional.  Some of it is well-meaning, but still leads to overall loss- great overall loss.  These are my thoughts anyway.

But again, I do think that there will be a change in my lifetime. Unfortunatly, I do not know that everybody will be ready for it.

Paul St. John

Tacitus' Realm / Re: Tea Baggers Shut the fuck up.
« on: November 20, 2011, 02:29:53 PM »
Quote from: "Horatio"
I understand the legality, the park is privately
owned and the owners had a rule no camping. .

They also asked them to leave the park a long time ago.. They refused.  They feel ( and I use the word 'feel' intentionally), that Wall street is robbing them and infringing upon their rights, and that gives them the right to do the same thing to other innocent people- those who own the park.. FUCK LEGALITY!  yes.. It is illegal, but more then that, it is fucking wrong, and it shows you where these people's heads are at.  You ask if most people understand what this protest is really all about.  I wonder if you do.  

You can post all you want about the evils of the republican party.  If I had nothing to do with my life, I could match everyone of them with posts about the evils of the democratic party.  They are all crooks, and if you think Nancy Pelosi really cares anymore about the little guy, then your average republican, I got a bridge I d like to sell ya, with a view of Mars.

Paul St. John

Tacitus' Realm / Re: What is the economy anyway ??
« on: November 20, 2011, 02:22:07 PM »
Quote from: "Loli"
Ignorant or apathetic? Or optimistic? Or comfortable with uncertainty... or just livin' in the moment?

All of them, I think.. It is surely frustrating.

Tacitus' Realm / Re: What is the economy anyway ??
« on: November 20, 2011, 02:20:58 PM »
Quote from: "Froderik"
While "nothing new under the sun" sounds boring, the point of that statement is that history is repeating itself and we are too ignorant to see it.

I agree with this statement fully.

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