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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Anonymous on February 11, 2003, 03:29:00 AM
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WELL GUYS MY NAME IS LOUIS CALDERON I WAS IN KIDS OF NORTH JERSEY FROM APRIL 7 1992 TO ABOUT 2000 THE PROGRAM CLOSED LIKE 1999 BUT WE STILL HAD A GROUP I WAS A GRADUATE BUT I WAS ALWAYS GOING HOME WITH PEOPLE BECAUSE I WAS ARROGANT MILLER WAS RUNNING THE SHOW FROM FLORIDA BUT WE WERE NOT ALLOWED TO TALK TO HIM STAFF WAS BOB MOSS ERIN MOSS TRICIA LOGAN(WHOM I CONSIDER A FRIEND)TONY KOZAKIEWICZ LARRY GOODMAN ERICA GOODMAN AMY KOZAKIEWICZ KRISTY MESSAROS PETE DAY CHRIS MCLAUGHLIN MARGIE NELSON FORMELY MARGIE CUBERLY AND DARREN NELSON HER HUSBAND AND OF COURSE CAROLYN TRAVER WHO BY THE IS MARRIED TO PETE DAY I STILL HAVE NIGHTMARES TO THIS DAY OF MILLER ON THE RAMPAGE ( ME AND MY SISTER JESSICA ARE DYING BUT I MEAN DYING TO MEET MILLER I MIGHT BRING A BAT AND SMASH HIS SKULL)SORRY FOR THE OUTBURST BUT I REALLY HATE THAT MAN HE IS THE PUREST FORM OF EVIL. I MUST TELL YOU ALL THAT IT WAS HARD TO NOT HATE KIDS OF NORTH JERSEY BUT YOU ALL HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT WE WERE ALL BRAINWASHED. I SINCERLEY SAY THAT I AM SORRY TO ALL THAT I AFFECTED BELIEVE ME I AM NOT LIKE THAT TODAY BUT I AM SCARED FOR LIFE WHEN I DATE GIRLS I HAVE TO LIE WHEN THEY ASK WHY I NEVER WENT TO COLLEGE BECAUSE SAYING I WAS IN A DRUG REHAB MAKES ME LOOK LIKE A DRUG ADDICT. THERE IS SO MUCH TO TELL SECRETS YOU DONT KNOW. THERE ARE SOME OF YOU OUT THERE I REALLY CARED ABOUT I WISH MAYBE WE CAN AT LEAST STILL TALK WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER
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Hi, Louis!
My name is Leigh Bright and I was in Straight, Incorporated and I too, am a victim of Miller Newton's. Welcome to the board!
You certainly have a lot to say, and pardon the pun, but I can "relate" to your feelings about Newton. In fact, I've been channeling my energies into writing a book about the programs - and particularly about Miller. Would you be interested in speaking to me about your experiences? You can E-mail me:
[email protected]
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louis, How are you doing? You sure brought up alot of names from the past. I never thought I'd here the name Trica Logan, Bob Moss or Chris Mc Laughlin again. I hope all is well? E-mail me if you get the chance.
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i think in one way shape or form people should find a way to let miller know that his goal of destroying our lives did not work. I struggle at times but i get through the day. instead of writing an MI i drink a beer or two :smile:
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I am a host parent who was one of the last to leave the program but left before you did. I am happy that you seem to be doing very well.
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thank you i very much appreciate your support
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My pleasure. Just take care of yourself. Be well, be happy and have a good life.
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I WISH I KNEW WHO YOU WERE COULD YOU GIVE ME A HINT I HAVE A FEELING I THINK I MIGHT KNOW WHO YOU ARE. AND YOU ARE A FRIEND
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I just wanted to let you know that MIller is well aware of this site...trust me. I am almost absolutely positive that he himself checks it or has people check it regularly.
I am glad you found the site. I am sorry for all you have been through. I have also been asked about you numerous times. So, stay here and find your friends. Be careful, because there is a lot of shit that somes up when you visit here. It happens to all of us. So, i warn everyone. Im glad you found it and im glad to hear youre doing well! Thats the best way to get back at ol'Newt. Prove him wrong thats it. take care.
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FIRST OF ALL I COULD CARE LESS IF MILLER READS THIS OR NOT ( HEY MILLER YOU MISERABLE FUCK BEFORE YOU DIE AND THAT WILL BE SOON I HOPE YOU KNOW IN YOUR STONE HEART THAT IM DOING VERY WELL IN FACT I HAVE FORGOTTEN THE NAME MILLER TO ME IS JUST THE NAME OF A BEER I DRINK ::cheers:: )
BUT ANYWAY THANKS FOR THE ADVICE
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IM REALLY FLATTERED THAT PEOPLE ASK ABOUT ME IF THERE ARE FRIENDS THAT WANT TO KNOW ABOUT ME PLEASE FEEL FREE TO ASK ME I MISS MY OLD FRIENDS I HAVE NO RESENTMENT TOWARDS NOBODY.
I COULD REALLY USE THE SUPPORT. ::bigsmilebounce::
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I am a friend and I do wish you well. I would be happy to get in touch with you further if you would like that.
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Hi, Louis. I am so glad to hear you are finally out of that craziness. I remember your sisters, both your younger and older sister. I was at your house alot. You would remember me being on first phase most of the time since I copped out 1 week after I was home with my parents. I copped out and left my newcomer behind. You were probably at my house at points too. My parents were always doing funny skits and stuff and they had the rabbit. I too consider Tricia a good friend. Well I hope you are doing well and also your sisters.
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DEAR FRIEND, YES I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO GET IN TOUCH WITH ME ITS ALWAYS GOOD TO HAVE FRIENDS, BUT EVEN MORE SO FRIENDS THAT UNDERSTAND WHAT IVE BEEN THROUGH :wave:
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ERES TU EL COLOMBIANO DE MANALAPAN??
SHIT I REMEMBER YOU DOG SHADOW I HOPE THIS IS YOU IF NOT LET ME KNOW
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To Louis,
Erica & I would like to apoligize for mistreating you while under the auspices of the program, especially towards the end. We also have many issues ourselves from that time in our life. You are not alone. I can understand your anger towards Newton, and many of us who carried out his orders. We are completly disconnected from that whole life now. If at some point you would like to speak on the phone let us know. E mail us at [email protected].
Sincerely,
Larry G
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WELL LARRY, MILLER BRAIN WASHED ALL, MAYBE EVEN HIS WIFE. SO DO I FORGIVE YOU OF COURSE. I HAVE NIGHTMARES OF KIDS AND MILLER NOT OF LARRY AND ERICA :smile: PLUS I MYSELF HAVE HURT PEOPLE MANY PEOPLE BUT I MUST FORGIVE IN ORDER TO BE FORGIVEN. BY THE WAY YOU KNOW MY DAD ALWAYS CARED ABOUT YOU A LOT. YOU SHOULD MAYBE CALL HIM AND YOU KNOW LET HIM KNOW YOUR OUT OF KIDS.HE IS KIND OF LONELY NOW CONSIDERING ME AND MY SISTERS DONT LIVE WITH HIM ANYMORE
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DEAR FRIEND, I AM REALLY CURIOUS AS TO WHO YOU ARE AND I WOULD BE HAPPY I F YOU TALKED TO ME MORE. ITS REAL GOOD TO FEEL A CONNECTION WITH OLD FRIENDS. I MEAN LETS FACE IT WE WENT THROUGH HELL TOGETHER.
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Dear Louis,
My name is Jan Rayburn. I left Kids in 92. I am very interested in speaking to Tricia L. I would appreciate if you could give her my email and let her know I'm looking for her.
Thanx
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Jan, This is Tricia P....do you remember me? I remember you well, and I just want you to know it is good to see your name.
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OMG!!! Tricia....i have tried to send messages via jeff z., but i dont know if you have gotten them. I would sooo love to talk to you. You and your sister are two i have wondered about so much. This is gonna sound funny but i had twins 7 yrs ago and think of you two often. I remember the separation of you and jenny (her in utah) i cant imagine what that must have been like. LOL...i remember the "rebellious" logan sisters...and i couldnt believe it when i heard ya'll were graduates and staff etc. wow....(tell jenny i owe her a bite...lol..i still have a scar) the shit we did in there huh? crazy. anyway...i would so love to talk to you. either email me or get in touch with jeff for my cell number. PLEASE!!! i wanna catch up.
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Just a heads up to Trisha & Jan, I have not received e-mails from either of you. If I do I will be happy to forward them in a timely manner.
[email protected]
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Louis--Do you have an e-mail address or phone number where I can reach you?
--Friend
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Louis--Do you have an e-mail address or phone number where I can reach you?
--Friend
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YES I HAVE A PHONE NUMBER JUST PLEASE TELL ME WHO YOU ARE AND I WOULD BE GLAD TO TALK TO YOU FURTHER. IM LOOKING FOWARD TO YOUR RESPONSE
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Hey girl you've got me confused with the Tricia who was one of a set of twins. I'm the other one, who used to live in Wayne, NJ.
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Louis, if you would like to e-mail me I am at [email protected].--Friend
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lol...duh. I swear i'm callin u girl...
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Spaced...ha ha ha. That's cool.
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Does anyone know what happened to a graduate named scott? He was tall and skinny and was pretty funny at times... Thanks
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hi tricia and jenny also jan.i know this is one person you prpbably never thought you would see or hear from.just wanted to say hi.
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hi.louise.how is your sister jessica.hope you still remember me. :nworthy: :roll:
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::cheers::
About 10 hard drug abuseing, Old Mil. drinkin' years is what it took me to get off Miller. I learned about sedation, and somehow lived to tell about it. I'm still waiting to see when I come back from hell all the way. As the years go by it helps, but I will never get another chance to be young, or ever be able to talk about ages 13-17 to a stranger with confidence. I want it to go away, and miss it the same time. I don't let it rule me, but it is always there. An empty hole in time, where I would have been. I was definately not about to die at 13! This is the past. Future is now.
Love yourself with all your being, then go and love somemore.
Take care, you are not alone.
American P.O.W.
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HEY LOUIS, HOW YOU DOING ? THIS IS ANTONIO I KNOW YOU REMEMBER ME IM THE SPANISH KID THAT YOU SOMETIMES WANTED TO CALL M85736 FU7364. IM JUST PLAYING BUT ANYWAYS HOW YOU DOING?ARE U STILL IN NYC ?WHEN DID YOU GET OUT WHEN I CAME OUT YOU STILL WERE THERE. HOWS YOUR DAD DOING? DO YOU TALK TO YOUR SISTERS ? MANNNNNN ITS SO MANY THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU,BUT I DONT KNOW IF YOU ARE GOING TO WRITE BACK. LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT ME ALITTLE BIT IM GOOD I LIVE IN NJ W/ MY FAMILY/ MY SISTER GOT A BEATIFUL DAUGHTER N A GOOD MAN AT HER SIDE TOO,SHE BOUGHT A NEW HOUSE SO IM HAPPY FOR HER. WELL PHYSICLY IM GOOD AND MONEY WISE TOOBUT SOMETIMES I GET DOWN , JUST THINKING ABOUT 5 YEARS PASS BY IN THE PROGRAM ,AND SHIT WHAT ABOUT NOW WHAT I TELL PEOPLE, NOTHING , I CANT TALK ABOUT CUZ THEY WOULD LOOK DOWN ON ME YOU KNOW SO YEA IM STILL *DISHONEST* SO WHAT WHO CARES, I AINT GETTING HIGH IM NOT DRINKING LIKE A ALCOHOLICO IM GOOD, I STILL HANG OUT W/ YOUR BUDDY LAMANT A AND LUIS A IF YOU DIDNT KNOW I WENT TO PICK HIM UP WHEN HE GOT COPPED OUT YOUR HOME I FELT SORRY FOR HIM BEING THERE 10 YEARS OF HIS LIFE I DONT THINK HE IS GOIND TO FORGET THAT EVENTHOUG HE TRY TO. THATS WHY I LET HIM LIVE IN MY HOUSE FOR ABOUT A YEAR BUT THEN HE MOVED OUT AND NOW I HAVENT SEE HIM FOR A LITTLE WHILE BUT ALL I KNOW ITS THAT HE LIVES IN PATERSON NJ. OK LOUIS I KNOW I TALK ALOTS OF CRAP LOL SO NOW LET ME KNOW ABOUT YOU AND ID YOU WANT TO SEND ME YOUR EMAIL
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MAN ANTONIO I MISS YOU. IM DRUNK RIGHT NOW LIFE IS HARD I WORK A LOT BUT YOU KNOW ITS NOT EASY. I REALLY MISS YOU IM REAL HAPPY THAT WE ARE NOT IN THE SHIT HOLE ANYMORE. MY SISTER IS MARRIED ( JESSICA) AND IM DOING ALRIGHT. HEY MAN YOU CAN CALL ME IF YOU WANT. I LIVE IN KANSAS CITY SO ITS REAL BORING OUT HERE IM GLAD YOU ARE DOING GOOD. IM HAPPY FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY. YOU WERE ALWAYS A COOL GUY.MY LIFE IS SO FAR AWAY FROM KIDS ITS NOT EVEN FUNNY. I WISH YOU THE BEST. SONT BE A STRANGER WRITE BACK.
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DAMN I REMEMBER LAMONT A. HE WAS ARROGANT LIKE ME. HE WAS A COOL GUY I HOPE HE IS DOING GOOD WITH HIS LIFE. I REMEMBER HE WAS IN TO PRODUCTION I HOPE HE HAS PURSUED THAT. LIFE IS HARD BUT ITS NOT CONFINED LIKE KIDS WAS. LUIS A. I HAVE ALWAYS FELT SORRY FOR HIM I HOPE HE CAN MOVE ON FROM THE PROGRAM. LUIS A. IF YOU READ THIS I WISH YOU A LOT OF LUCK AND REMEMBER YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT MOST PEOPLE DONT THATS YOUR OWN GENUINE STORY SO USE THAT TO YOUR OWN ADVANTAGE. THE DAY I LEFT KIDS I FORGOT ABOUT IT EVERYONE ELSE SHOULD DO THE SAME.
PEACE AND LOVE TO EVERY ONE THAT I HAVE EVER MET AT KIDS. :wave:
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HI LUIS MY NAME IS LISA I WAS IN KIDS 1997-1998
I HAD 5 FAMILY MEMBERS IN KIDS BUT I REMEMBER YOU AND YOUR SISTER AND YOU HAD ANOTHER SISTER I DONT REMEMBER MUCH ABOUT THE PROGRAM JUST SOME THINS BUT I DO THINK ALOT ABOUT IT AND PEOPLE THAT WERE THERE WITH ME. WELL IM NOT TO GOOD WITH COMPUTERS SO I'LL GIVE YOU MY CELL PHONE # HOLLLA :wave:
201-780-9998
I DONT CARE IF ANYONE ELSE CALLS THAT KNOWS ME OR WANT TO TALK BUT IT HAS TO BE AFTER 9:00 PMUnder the benign influence of our republican institutions, and the maintenance of peace with all nations whilst so many of them were engaged in bloody and wasteful wars, the fruits of a just policy were enjoyed in an unrivaled growth of our faculties and resources.
James Madison
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WELL YOU GOT ME THERE I DONT REMEMBER ANY LISA. THE ONLY FAMILY I REMEMBER WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE IN GROUP WAS THE MOENS AND LIKE THE SOME OTHER FAMILY FROM JERSEY CITY. BUT I DONT REALLY REMEMBER THE LAST NAME BUT I WENT ON A DAY OFF WITH THE HOST MOM AND THE LITTLE SIBLING TO GO SEE SPACEJAM :wave: HE WAS FUNNY TOO. AND I REMEMBER MARIO AND HIS SISTER. ILL TRY TO GIVE YOU A CALL BUT SOMETIMES ITS HARD BECAUSE I LIVE IN KANSAS CITY MO ITS REAL FAR (REAL BORING)
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yea that was us my mom talks about you somtime how you talked alot on the trip but she loved being there with you b/c she needed some laughs. well some of us are ok some are not. but anything better then the program. whats funny you think when you get out your going to try to live your life as if you were still there no suger no drugie people and all that bullshit. come to think about it they were all f*** up in the head but any way i have to go tell your sisters i said hi if they remember and give me a call if you get the time my mom would to know that your doing good P.S when i came out i had run in to lamont and he still spoke with the moens i talk to them a few times then lost contact Robert was going out with that big girl Minie. but holla back
There's so much comedy on television. Does that cause comedy in the streets?
-- Dick Cavett
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WELL TODAY I WAS HAPPY TO READ YOU WRITING ME BACK. THE PROGRAM SUCKED FOR ALL OF US. WELL I WAS THERE 8 YEARS AND I STILL HAVE NIGHTMARES TILL THIS DAY. LISA IM HAPPY THAT YOUR MOM REMEMBERED ME TELL HER THAT I SAID HI AND THAT I WISH EVERYONE THE BEST OF LUCK. IF YOU KNOW THINGS ABOUT LIKE MY OLD FRIENDS LET ME KNOW. LIKE ROBERT AND LIKE OSCAR AND OTHER PEOPLE THAT MADE KIDS JUST A LITTLE LESS MISERABLE. HEY LISA HOW OLD ARE YOU ? AND I HOPE THAT YOU ARE DOING GOOD AND THAT YOU ARE BEING A GOOD EXAMPLE TO YOUR LITTLE SISTER SHE WAS CUTE. YOUR MOM SURE IS A STRONG LADY. BUT ANYWAYS IF I GET A CHANCE ILL CALL YOU BUT ITS JUST A LITTLE WEIRD CALLING PEOPLE THAT I NEVER SPOKE TO BEFORE BUT HOWEVER MAYBE NOW WE CAN BE FRIENDS.WRITE BACK
P.S. IF YOU TALK TO ANYONE THAT I KNOW TELL THEM THAT I SAID HI AND THAT I WISH THEM THE BEST NEVER GIVE UP....... REMEMBER KIDS SUCKED BUT IT COULD ONLY MAKE YOU STRONGER :wave:
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You were there for 8 years? My heart sinks when I read numbers like that. I was there for a year and a 1/2 and I thought that was a nightmere, I really feel sad though for the people, the children I read about who were there that long. I hope you have a wonderful life. I hope your free every moment of your life from now on. The only reason I left after a year and a half was because we got terminated from the program. My mother spoke about concerns she had after I told her on second phase that someone was force fed, held down flat on her back. My mother told the newtons that she felt this was dangerous, a choking hazard, and the newtons felt we were a threat because we didn't follow the "no talking behind backs rule." Well, as much as I hate my senseless experience thier, I think our being forced to leave under such stupid circumstances prompted a few other parents to pull thier kids out. We acted as a safe house for a while for a few kids who escaped, were watched by the senior freakin' staff members who would gather outside our house across the street, looking for cop outs.
I spoke with bergen county prosecutors, but at that time I was still so messed up from the whole experience I didn't even know right from wrong enough to explain properly what happened to me there. Anyway, I guess I needed to run on like this, somehow your last post brought all this out.
I'm just happy that you survived after 8 years. Enjoy your life, you truly earned it. By the way, when I was terminated Ruth Ann Newton told me and my folks I'd commit suicide in 6 months, so they best put me in a institution. Instead, I'm 30 years old now, free and happy, with a great career, a nice home and a beautiful family. I love my boring little life. It's just what I wanted. Good Luck to you.
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Does anybody here know about the survivor's conference?
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If you go to the home page, then links and see some of the Straight or Anonimity Anon stuff, you'll probably find it. I personally don't do that stuff.
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hey dude thank you very much for the post. yea am i happy now? well...... its a struggle but im doing just fine. i must say that the nightmares are still there but the pain and suffering of kids is no more. im very glad that you wrote to me im flattered. i dont know who you are but whoever you are im happy that you are doing good.im doing a lot better than kids said i would. i am no drug addict and i am not out of control.i am a strong person with a strong character.hey were you in kids of north jersey or bergen county im curious????? but anyway so long and good luck
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hey dude thank you very much for the post. yea am i happy now? well...... its a struggle but im doing just fine. i must say that the nightmares are still there but the pain and suffering of kids is no more. im very glad that you wrote to me im flattered. i dont know who you are but whoever you are im happy that you are doing good.im doing a lot better than kids said i would. i am no drug addict and i am not out of control.i am a strong person with a strong character.hey were you in kids of north jersey or bergen county im curious????? but anyway so long and good luck
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I was in kids of bergen county. left sometime in 1990. I think it was November. But i can't be sure.
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see http://safetyintl.org/conference/ (http://safetyintl.org/conference/)
Rick Ross has agreed to speak. Alexia Parks is returning this year and of course, our very own Wes Fager will also be there. More speakers are yet to be announced.
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WELL IM 20 NOW . I KNOW IT WIRED TALKING TO PEOPLE YOU NEVER DID BEFORE SO WHEN YOU THINK YOU GET THE BALLS HOLLA . I DONT KNOW NOMORE ABOUT ANYONE I LOST CONTACT WITH THEM :???:
There's no biochemical test to distinguish the so-called manic-depressive person from the elated or despondent football fan. Nor is there any resan to assume the manic-depressive's inner experience is driven by twisted molecules while the football fan's is driven, at worst, by twisted values
Dr. Peter Breggin, Toxic Psychiatry
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On 2003-04-30 07:34:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I was in kids of bergen county. left sometime in 1990. I think it was November. But i can't be sure. "
If you left when the detectives & prosecutors came in, that was in Aug. '90.
That's when I.
Talk about a weird fuckin' day...
Split off into two rap groups... I think Larry was leading the one I was in. No, I'm certain of it.
People peeling off one by one into an area off the room.
Jeezus, why did I have to be one of the last few they took? It's weird when everyone but the last couple people in the group were gone... Just GONE. No idea whether they were back in the main group or whatever...
Then they chose me. I met with the detective and hardly hesitated when they asked if I wanted to leave....
We were all at the Hackensack courthouse, I believe it was. Hell, I don't know where. It wasn't in that damned building. A drainage tunnel was more appealing than 80 Commerce Way at that point...
People were bumming smokes from the detectives. I think they actually went and bought a carton for us. I didn't smoke one then. Dunno why.
They ordered pizzas and we ate and we gave our statements.
I didn't know anyone in the area, except for these people and the Kids people. I had no ID. No money. No clothes. No place to live. Hell, I was 3000 miles away from anyplace I could even consider calling 'home'.
But none of that mattered, because I wasn't a captive...
I remember the detectives turned on the radio in the car on the way to the courthouse. It was a sunny late summer day. The leaves were just yellowing to change to autumn colors....
It matched perfectly with the sense of renewed freedom.
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John, I think you and I knew each other. I left before the Dectectives and Prosecutors came in, not too long before, so then it couldn't have been as late as November for me. I spoke with them at my house - I'd like to think that that conversation may have helped you and the others get out. I was 17. I was thoroughly brainwashed when I left, they had me. That makes me angry to think about, because I am such a anti-cult, anti-follower, major conspiracy-paranoid woman now.
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Katie Reid here....I remember that day and was so freaked out.I was pulled out and said I wanted to STAY !!!!! I can`t believe that now! I was so fucken brainwashed I thought me staying would finally help me move up in my phases.I had been in Kids sence a month after my 14th Birthday and at that point did not know any other way of life...very sad.I remember seeing who left when we were all in group together again and thinking their crazy for leaving. My head was really fucked up. If it was not for my brother{Bobby}
leaving and then my mom pulling me I might be one of those who still follow the wacko.I really was brainwashed.
Thank God I`m free of that now.Do any of you remember if I moved my head or even my shoulder while up talking , I was sat down and told I was being boppy !!!!!! I had to stand still when talking....So FUCKEN STUPID !!!!! I hate that word "boppy" still to this day.
What the FUCK does moving while talking have to do with being sober...I go to AA meetings all the time and people are concerned with me staying sober , they could give a fuck how much I move .
Sorry a bit of a resentment there on my part.
Moving on....
had a great day today with my kids
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hi katie.i don't know if you remember me.your one person i remember from when i was in the program.i left and live back in canada now.i hatrd that living hell.keep in [email protected]
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Hey there,
I totally remember that day too. I came back from school in the Bronx that afternoon and half of the friggin' group was gone. I was totally panicked but of course noone gave us any information and we weren't allowed to 'talk behind anyone's back'... I bet I would have stayed though, if they had asked me, because I was so brainwashed at that point. I heard that the cops had my name too. Rachel R. later told me that she had been trying to get me out. I think I got set back from 5th phase a few weeks later. Thank God my parents saw that coming and had been preparing to pull us. I think the day I left was October or November 10th 1990.
Anyway, that was a really long time ago.
Ciao
Rebecca
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Can anyone give me infomation on Kristi Me**a*os? She is still in the program. I neeed to know wht is going on with her and is it true that the groupies treat their children the newton way?
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I can tell you that whole story and even give you an adress and tel# what a tradgedy that was/is! was right before I left. you are?
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I am really uncomfortable doing this, as I have never done this before. I am a close relative of hers. I left the program in El Paso.
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Lissa?? Is that you?
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i have been in the program more recently than most of you all. its been almost 4 years since kids. to my knowledge kristi m-------- is still a part of millers web. if i am wrong then someone please correct me :???:
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I am her mother and I was ex-commuicated. (a terminator)in El Paso.. I finally figured out just how REALLY screwed up the program was after about two years. I had another daughter in the program and she ran from there and I was not able to find her for about 2 years because she was afraid to come home to me for fear of being put back in, it really screwed up her life too. I was in on the secret meeting when Staff tried to hired a P.I., to get dirt on the attorney that was trying to close KIDS of El Paso. That is wrong and dirty and cheap. There were several incidence that finally convinced me to leave the program. I am a recovering alcoholic and was before I got in KIDS and finally "knew" that is not the way to help someone. When I left, I tried to get Kristi out, but"they" talked her into staying. That was at least 16 years ago(?).I have always had hopes that she would leave.. but she is still in and for a long time I thought I was the only parent that had lost my daughter to that horrible "man" until I finally got in touch with a wonderful family in New Jersey and found that I am not the only one in this situation and started reading your message board. Getting even more info about newton and the destuction that he has caused. I live far away and had no one to talk with about it. People just don't understand or they look at me really strange or understand why I haven't just let go, and to a certain extent I have, except she is still my daughter and I miss her terribly. Putting my children in KIDS is at this time the ONE great regret of my life. My fears are that I will never see her again. I used to call her every once in a while but I got tired of flat conversations on the phone and excuses of why she wouldn't come home and visit her family, which she says she has no family anymore. I haven't talked to her in about two years or seen her in almost twelve and she came only because her granfather had died. That was a horrible visit, she was so rude and closed off. I still find it hard to believe that she is like that. She was such wonderful daughter before KIDS, regardless of what she said about herself. Mothers know what is in their children's hearts and who they are. She wasn't a"bad" person, I don't know who this person is now.
I have rambled on enough, I was really afraid to put much on the message board for fear that she would see it and really fuel her fire of not having anything to do with her family. Oh well!!!! I just really want to know what she was like in the program and how she stays in. Anything!!! Then I read how they might treat their children and in my eyes that is abuse, so I am worried about my grandchild, that I have never seen but have talked to through the family in New Jersey. Thank God for them. They have been so kind and helpful and supportive.
I don't want to put my phone # in and I am pretty computer illiterate so is there another way that I can get in touch?
I am so sorry for all the damage that have been done to you guys through that insane program and am so happy and proud that each of you have gone on with your lives. God bless each and everyone of you. Keep on keeping on!!!! Thank you.......
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It was so great to see you on the web-site. I remember you well. You were my newcomer for a long time...I hope I treated you well. I hated those damn meal plans and food charts and being observed while we ate. I remember being jealous you got more food than me...how funny is that...then Janna P joined us...I hear she's a cop now...how funny since she always came across as so mild-mannered. I hope you and your sister are doing well...I'd love to know what you're doing with your life now...are you close with your other sister (the one with the baby)? Glad to see Newton didn't squash your spirit. Take care, Suzanne Z.
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If you're talking about Scott H, he runs some sort of construction business with his family in NJ and I saw him at Rebecca E's party after the trial.
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...I recognize you from your story because I was the one held down and force fed. I can't begin to tell you what a terrifying experience that was. I also can't begin to tell you how much it means to me that you refused to do this...and refused to be part of my nightmare. I'm thankful that your mom was a nurse and spoke up...and the best thing in the world that could have happened to you was being terminated from the program...it saved you years of trauma. I will always be grateful to you. Suzanne Z