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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => EdCons and referring organizations and agencies => PURE Bullshit and CAICA => Topic started by: Anonymous on July 21, 2007, 05:44:30 PM
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Seems CAICA has made some changes -- no more links to PURE? Personally, I haven't checked but according to a post on the Troubled Teens forum, it appears she may have removed such links, and even deleted certain blogs promoting her professional relationship to PURE and support for the Sudweeks and their defunct program, The Whitmore.
What's going on?
If this is true, why is PURE still linking to CAICA and Izzy still linking to PURE from her for-proifit business Positive Family Solutions?
Is this a game? Or has Izzy severed her ties to Sue Scheff, PURE, and if so, why now?
Inquiring minds want to know what the real deal is.
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Smoke and mirrors!
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Izzy's whitmore blog is definitly M.I.A.
Cease and desist?
Just guessing - I have no idea why she suddenly removed it.
Maybe she read Zen's post and is worried the GAO may report unfavorably on Caica and Pure?
Err ... if so, I'd say she's a day late and a dollar short.
:rofl:
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Leopards don't change their spots. This love fest with PURE and Sue Scheff has been going on far too long for me to believe Izzy has suddenly changed her tune.
Second, IMO the Whitmore blog (and others) revealed a disgusting even vile personality TRAIT of Ms. Zenhder that frankly can not be erased along with a couple of links and controversial blogs.
Izzy is a self-promoter, first and foremost. The real question ought to be what does Izzy fear she has to lose by publicly supporting Sue Scheff, the Sudweeks, and PURE?
Did it come down to the credibility of her coaching business?
A Cease and Desist Letter? Threat of a lawsuit? Divine Intervention?
Who the hell knows. Things seem to dramatically change with Izzy depending on which way the wind blows (or what's posted on Fornits).
Right Izzy?
:wave:
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5-24-07
CAICA Founder and President Isabelle Zehnder recently came to the defense of a mother whose son died in a wilderness program on 5-2-07. Former staff of the facility where he died commented on an article written about his death indicating he/she believed that the death was the mother's fault. This person claims to be a former staff member yet shows a strong interest in CAICA removing this child, Caleb Jensen's, story from the CAICA website.
After several posts back and forth, providing information to expose the abuse, neglect, and deaths in these facilities, someone posted under the User Name BeeTRue. Looking at her profile, the person posting derogatory comments about Isabelle Zehnder and CAICA had the first name "Joyce" with her Zip Code from San Antonio (see article below - coinsidence?) It appears this mother may have a thing or two to hide and that this mother may have a vested interest in attempting to discredit both Isabelle Zehnder and CAICA, as well as other child advocates and groups.
Isabelle Zehnder did her homework. She visited the facility after the allegations of abuse surfaced. She spoke to the owners, to lawyers, and to government officials. She interviewed parents and children who attended the Whitmore. During her interviews she was told by both parents and children who attended the Whitmore that this mother enticed three teens to run away from the program. Just one week prior to this incident some parents had visited the program and their children were happy and indicated that finally they were excited to learn and do well in school.
The mother paid a driver to pick the boys up from the Whitmore late at night, enticing them to run away from the Whitmore by paying for their ride from the facility to a town nearby where they would pick up money that was wired to them. From there they went to the airport and were flown half way across the country to a music festival that may consider a drug fest. According to the mother of one of the boys involved there is evidence of the money transfer, airline tickets, and so on.
They flew from Salt Lake City, Utah, and the music festival was in Tennessee. One of the boys was missing for a month, the FBI was involved. The other two turned themselves in after several days.
Two young people died that weekend at the festival - they overdosed on drugs.
It is time the truth is told - it is time to stop bashing advocates who work tirelessly to expose and rectify abuse, neglect, and deaths in residential treatment facilities.
Advocates who, contrary to what this mother would like people to believe, do not have a monetary interest in referring children to "abusive programs". Specifically she accuses Isabelle Zehnder of getting a financial kickback of some sort from referring children to programs.
There is no money exchanging hands at CAICA. Other than a few donations, CAICA Founder and President Isabelle Zehnder and her husband have funded CAICA.
Her work for parents and teens has been pro-bono.
Her work helping lawyers has been pro-bono.
The hours she has spent being interviewed by reporters has been pro-bono.
The endless number of hours she has spent creating what professionals have referred to as "the most comprehensive website on the topic of the teen help industry and children and teens abused in residential care" has all been done on a volunteer basis.
The CAICA website has been used by many researchers, reporters, lawyers, university students, parents, victims, and others.
Isabelle does not charge for her services and she has never taken money for referring children to any program.
She has, however, worked with a parent advocate whose child was abuse in a residential facility. This parents has worked tirelessly for the past 7 years locating safe alternatives for parents looking to place their children in a program.
It is unrealistic to believe there are no good programs for children and teens. There are. It is important parents receive guidance to find them, otherwise they can be mislead by the hundreds of websites that lead to the same group of programs known to be abusive.
What many people forget, including parents, is that this industry is for the most part unregulated, there is no government oversight and no one oversees the operations of these programs. It's a Buyer Beware business and parents need to be careful where they are sending their children.
Like it or not some children are going to go to programs. Some parents are at their wits end, some cannot care for their own child. Others are court-adjudicated. Some of those children's parents have a choice where the child will be placed.
We have one of two choices. Let the parent fend for themselves and be led to programs that are known to abuse and neglect kids, or help find safer alternatives.
I believe it is the responsible thing to help find options.
The parent advocate they claim refers to abusive programs, Sue Scheff, is a member of the Better Business Bureau with a clean record. The only complaint she has ever received was from the mother mentioned in the article below for referring her daugther to the Whitmore.
The state indicated there was no evidence of abuse at the Whitmore.
NEWS ARTICLE:
Parents frantic after three students go AWOL from boarding school
Whitmore Academy: One of the three, from North Carolina, is still missing
By Kirsten Stewart
The Salt Lake Tribune
Salt Lake Tribune
On May 31, when Peggy Rodebush last saw her 17-year-old son, he was safely enrolled at a Utah boarding school and, for the first time in years, enthusiastic about learning.
A week later, school officials informed Rodebush that Michael was missing.
"I thought, 'Oh my God, what happened to my son? Where is he?' You can't imagine the sheer panic," said Rodebush from her home in Tampa, Fla. After four sleepless nights and countless hours on the phone, Rodebush tracked down Michael and two other missing Whitmore students at an outdoor rock music concert in Manchester, Tenn.
Since then, the parents of the three runaways have worked feverishly to retrieve their children and piece together how and why they disappeared. One North Carolina boy remains missing.
Rodebush's husband will retrieve Michael today from a juvenile detention facility, where he is being held as a runaway. The third boy arrived home in Maryland over the weekend.
Mark and Cheryl Sudweeks, the owners of Whitmore, did not immediately respond Monday to attempts to reach them for comment, nor did Nephi police.
Whitmore is not currently licensed by state officials. Inspectors want to bring it under state regulations, arguing it qualifies as a therapeutic facility, but the school is fighting that designation.
Rodebush believes the boys were assisted by school critic Joyce Harris of San Antonio, whose daughter allegedly suffered abuse at Whitmore in 2004. Harris denies Rodebush's claim, and says a Whitmore employee facilitated their exodus. She declined further comment.
Rodebush bases her account on a brief phone call with her son and numerous discussions with Nephi police.
She says the three boys left Whitmore on June 6 and hid out in Nephi overnight, where Harris allegedly wired them money and provided for transportation to Salt Lake City International Airport. The following day, they boarded a flight to Chicago, again allegedly paid for by Harris, and spent the evening at an apartment in the city.
"If this woman was really worried about my son, why didn't she call me?" said Rodebush. "She has never even met Michael. Who is she to decide she has a better solution for my son?"
Juab County Attorney Jared Eldridge says there is some evidence that Harris was involved, but it appears the boys contacted her after running away.
"I don't know if Joyce [Harris] purchased the tickets, but doing so isn't a criminal offense," said Eldridge.
Later that week, Rodebush says, the boys took three separate buses to Bonaroo, a jam band concert on a 700-acre farm in Manchester that draws hundreds of thousands of fans.
"They couldn't get on the same bus, so they agreed to meet at the festival," said Rodebush.
Tired and running out of money, the 16-year-old Maryland boy on Saturday phoned his parents, who convinced him and Michael Rodebush to go to the police. They never met up with Kyle McEvoy, who is still missing.
Tom McEvoy, the North Carolina father of the 17-year-old, is "sick with worry," and working with Manchester police to find his son. He says he has had limited contact with the school.
"I just want my son back," said McEvoy, noting, "I was there for parents' weekend a week before all this went down and none of the boys indicated they were unhappy or planning on running away."
Rodebush also attended parents' weekend, and says her son Michael gave rave reviews of the school.
Unsatisfied with the county attorney's response to Harris' possible involvement, Rodebush has contacted the FBI and plans to file a complaint with the Utah Attorney General's office.
Meanwhile, Whitmore owner Cheryl Sudweeks is facing five misdemeanor counts of child abuse and two counts of hazing, filed last week for allegedly humiliating and harming four Whitmore students in 2003 and 2004.
http://www.thewhitmoreacademy.blogspot.com/ (http://www.thewhitmoreacademy.blogspot.com/)
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Posted by Isabelle Zehnder at 8:32 AM
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Friday, June 8, 2007
Isabelle Zehnder and Sue Scheff - Team work
Sue Scheff and Isabelle Zehnder believe in team work. They not only work with each other but they work with a group of other professionals who all share the same goals - to keep families together whenever possible and to help find safe alternatives when it is not possible.
Isabelle Zehnder is the Founder and CEO of Positive Family Solutions, LLC, and the Founder and President of the Coalition Against Institutionalized Child Abuse (CAICA).
Sue Scheff is the Founder and President of Parents Universal Resources Experts (PURE) and the author of At Wits' End (coming soon).
Today more than ever families are seeking outside help for their children and teens. Today more than ever parents are enrolling their kids into programs and facilities without really understanding what they are getting their child into. They don't realize they are dealing with an unregulated industry that has no governmental oversight.
While both Sue and Isabelle wish all families could stay together and resolve their issues at home that is not always possible. There is a rise in judges giving parents and teens the option to spend a year in a program rather than face a criminal record that will follow them for the rest of their lives. Parents and teens often choose this option.
And often parents are faced with issues with their teens that they feel they cannot resolve on their own. They need outside intervention and often need it quickly. There are times things are so out of control at home that there is no other option but to seek outside intervention.
Often they find Sue and Isabelle asking for advice as to where to send their child. If these parents are turned away the likelihood of their child being placed into a potentially abusive environment is high.
Read the rest here
http://isabellezehnder-suescheff.blogspot.com/ (http://isabellezehnder-suescheff.blogspot.com/)
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Only way to believe Izzy has cut ties with Scheff/Pure is a public announcement by Isabelle Zehnder, CEO, President of CAICA;or perhaps by Izzy's Board of Directors, stating why.
Izzy does claim to have a Board of Directors.
Does Izzy think she can simply remove this ONE Whitmore Blog from her blog page; and eliminate any damage she has caused; without, at least, a public apology?
What about the "upcoming Whitmore blog" which is advertised; telling her readership to "stay tuned" because this blog will be based on the transcripts and testimony from the ongoing Whitmore civil case?
Sure, Izzy can delete this ONE Whitmore Blog; and put forth the appearance of doing the "right thing." But, this Whitmore Blog has been on the internet for months; and seems to have served her purpose.
Sue Scheff's Whitmore Blog remains on the internet.
More Whitmore Blogs have been advertised, and one even has a title: "Whitmore Academy, The Secret Shhhh" and these BLOGS will most probably be written and published.
Who do you think you are kidding, IZZY?
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I agree guest - Izzy is simply playing hide the ball, IMO.
My guess is the flack that Alex took for even being remotely associated with CAICA is what convinced her to clean house. Only problem is, she didn't really clean house. She swept it all under the rug.
Poor Izzy. Dufus that she is, she thinks she can just hide the mess she created. She forgets all the advocates and survivors who are fighting this industry and consider her to be more foul than pond scum are not going away but rather, multipying in number.
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CAICA recently received e-mail and voice-mail correspondence regarding this Blog, and most recently an e-mail where the writer states βthe Whitmore was criminally charged, Whitmore is gone, shut down and shamed, and Cheryl is forbidden to open any such facility in Utah again.β
This person has obviously not done his or her research - those facts are incorrect. First, the Sudweeks were not criminally charged for abusing children at the Whitmore. Second, Cheryl was not forbidden from opening any facility in Utah again. She goes on to say CAICA is worried because we referred children there. CAICA is not a referral agency so never referred any child there.
The e-mail and phone call CAICA received came within days of each other and were both defamatory and threatening in nature.
As the author of the "e-mail" mentioned above, I'd like to respond: I didn't send her an e-mail, I left a comment on the blog. She had forgotten to set comments to administrator approval at the time.
The comment was:
You must be joking...three countries have gone after the Sudweeks, they are confirmed criminals. If you really believed the rubbish you were posting, you wouldn't hide behind the disclaimer. "Hearsay" has to be proven at some point. Can you do it? Also, you're focusing on some anonymous parent as the root cause of the Sudweeks' problems - I only wish one family could have an impact like that on an abusive program. I don't need a disclaimer about the abuse - it's proven. Why did Cheryl cop a plea bargain? If she were innocent, she should have gone the distance to clear her name. Your reputations will not be improved by this activity, only worsened. Whitmore's gone, shut down and shamed, and Cheryl is forbidden to open any such facility in Utah again. Your activities look slightly desperate - are you worried about possible legal action from families you referred to Whitmore? Keep defending convicted criminals, you're doing a huge favor for the drive to eradicate these programs.
Posted by Impure
April 8, 2007 9:20 AM
Since she had deleted the post, Iz was free to have a go at a rebuttal - and picked one sentence out of the entire comment. Even then, she was wrong.
Izzy wrote:
"First, the Sudweeks were not criminally charged for abusing children at the Whitmore."
From the Deseret Morning News, September 22, 2006:
"Sudweeks, 51, pleaded no contest to four charges of attempted hazing, all class C misdemeanors. She was originally charged with six counts of child abuse, class A misdemeanors, and two counts of hazing, one a class A misdemeanor and the other a class B misdemeanor.
Those were criminal charges, Iz.
Again from Iz:
"Second, Cheryl was not forbidden from opening any facility in Utah again."
From the Deseret Morning News, September 22, 2006:
as Juab County Attorney Eldridge said, "It addresses some of the concerns I have β not all of them β but it resolves Mrs. Sudweeks to a be a law-abiding citizen for a year. Even if we got a conviction, that's all the probation she would have been given anyway. It requires her to pay a fine and do community service. And it shuts her down, at least here in Juab County, so they can't do business here. I believe it effectively shuts them down in the state of Utah,"[/b]
Sounds permanent and state-wide to me. Eldridge sent the details of the plea and a letter from Cheryl Sudweeks admitting to "attempting" to haze four kids to the Utah licensing board, which is why he said they were shut down in the state. Considering the hassles with licensing the Whitmore had already gone through, I can only hope even Utah would deny them.
I knew she didn't directly refer, but at the time I wrote the comment, I thought it likely that a desperate parent asked Iz for help, Iz passed them onto Scheff, and Scheff referred them to the Whitmore. There didn't seem to be any other reason for Iz to participate in such a ludicrous defense of a proven abusive facility.
After all, Iz, you claim it's all for the kids. Whitmore kids don't count?
Last from Izzy:
"The e-mail and phone call CAICA received came within days of each other and were both defamatory and threatening in nature."[/b]
Since you pulled my post, I guess everyone was supposed to take your word. Read my comment again, and show me how it was threatening in nature. You and Sue can't continue trying to intimidate your critics into silence, because your critics are telling the truth, and why should they fear you if they can back up their words?
Izzy's whitmore blog is definitly M.I.A.
Cease and desist?
Just guessing - I have no idea why she suddenly removed it.
Maybe she read Zen's post and is worried the GAO may report unfavorably on Caica and Pure?
Err ... if so, I'd say she's a day late and a dollar short.
Yeah, if my post sparked her concern, she's obviously not the sharpest knife in the drawer...one fry short of a Happy Meal.
Izzy, we've discussed you and Sue with the GAO already, and the investigators have read your Whitmore blogs, and your Disney-based attacks. You're concerned what your place will be in the investigation? You and Sue will be involved...on the other side of the fence, with NATSAP, WWASP, and that lot, right where you belong. Maybe you guys can sit next to the Kays and Big Bob Lichfield.
The two of you shot your mouths off thinking you were untouchable, and the sure wheel of Karma has turned. Sue, you've always been trash. Izzy, I've been told you started out with good intentions, but Scheff and the allure of money burned you. Iz, you entered into a Faustian bargain with MephistSheffeles, and you've lost your soul.
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Zen, based on what I read Izzy did with ISAC and the investigation they were conducting on Majestic Ranch, I must respectfully disagree that Izzy started out with "good intentions".
Her first website called Kids in Captivity by Isabelle Zehnder, investigative journalist (LOLS) was created during this time frame.
She volunteered to help ISAC then proceeded to insert herself into the investigation screwing it up. Her "report" is not even on the same level as ISAC's and yet, she does not link at all to ISAC. What's that tell ya? ME, ME, ME. She did the same thing with her "deaths" in facilities list. The orginial source was TAUSA, that was obvious from the get go, yet she gives no credit to TAUSA or others who have been tracking these deaths for years.
In my opinion, Isabelle suffers from sort of delusional personality disorder. The constant use of "WE, US" has been discussed before but I think it is a significant clue, as is the highjacking of other people's work, even their identity. This goes beyond lack of integrity. But I am not a psychiatrist. I am simply pointing out how her "behavior" on several levels seems to suggest something bigger is going on. What that is, I do not know but I can say it does not surprise me that Zehnder would be proud to call herself a "friend" and "colleague" of Sue Scheff.
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I don't know who is trying to sell folks on the concept that Izzy has had a change of heart - but whoever it is - you need a serious reality check, yourself.
The information about SS and PURE has been readily available since the publication of the WWASPS v. PURE trial transcripts.
DO NOT presume nor even try to pretend that Izzy did not read that document in full.
This is more damage control, IMO.
Izzy is not blind to the reality that she has no support, nor a shred of respect among her peers.
No one who has an ounce of INTEGRITY would have written that crap about Whitmore, or praised Sue Scheff ad nauseum.
Get real. This borders on extreme misguided (wishful) thinking. Izzy is what she is. Deal with it.
:flame:
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In my opinion, Isabelle suffers from sort of delusional personality disorder
Yah, it's called "narcissistic behavior" or "narcissistic personality". :rofl:
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Where's Izzy's public statement denouncing Sue Scheff and Pure? Where's Izzy's public apology to all the Whitmore parents and their children; and her personal apology to Joyce Harris, and her family, since she pointed out this one parent and her family, in particular?
Where's Izzy's disclosure of the children she has referred to programs; so it can be independently verified that the children are, in fact, safe at this point in time; after Izzy's involvment in placing them in programs?
Where's Izzy's disclosure of who serve's on CAICA's Board of Directors, and the various Committees she lists on CAICA?
If Izzy is truly repentant, and ready to try becoming an "advocate" isn't it about time she start acting with some degree of honesty, and integrity?
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IMO... You have to have a conscience to apologize. Don't think Izzy has one. Right now it looks like she's playing CYA.
::boohoo::
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Where's Izzy's public statement denouncing Sue Scheff and Pure? Where's Izzy's public apology to all the Whitmore parents and their children; and her personal apology to Joyce Harris, and her family, since she pointed out this one parent and her family, in particular?
Where's Izzy's disclosure of the children she has referred to programs; so it can be independently verified that the children are, in fact, safe at this point in time; after Izzy's involvment in placing them in programs?
Where's Izzy's disclosure of who serve's on CAICA's Board of Directors, and the various Committees she lists on CAICA?
If Izzy is truly repentant, and ready to try becoming an "advocate" isn't it about time she start acting with some degree of honesty, and integrity?
Oh please. Who honestly thinks that is going to happen? Scheff still has her blog on Whitmore up - who cares if Izzy's is gone? Or the blogs about Scheff? Isn't that what one would expect her to do if she was trying to get off the D List? Think logically, not emotionally. Whitmore is no more. Why are we still talking about that dumbass issue? There is a lawsuit going on. That's the way to fight back. Words are cheap.
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In my opinion, Isabelle suffers from sort of delusional personality disorder
Yah, it's called "narcissistic behavior" or "narcissistic personality". :rofl:
Yeah, and apparently it isn't just the ed cons who are narcissistic either. Some of these program parents are very self-absorbed as well. To the point where you can almost predict what their next post will be.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Zen, based on what I read Izzy did with ISAC and the investigation they were conducting on Majestic Ranch, I must respectfully disagree that Izzy started out with "good intentions".
Her first website called Kids in Captivity by Isabelle Zehnder, investigative journalist (LOLS) was created during this time frame.
She volunteered to help ISAC then proceeded to insert herself into the investigation screwing it up. Her "report" is not even on the same level as ISAC's and yet, she does not link at all to ISAC. What's that tell ya? ME, ME, ME. She did the same thing with her "deaths" in facilities list. The orginial source was TAUSA, that was obvious from the get go, yet she gives no credit to TAUSA or others who have been tracking these deaths for years.
In my opinion, Isabelle suffers from sort of delusional personality disorder. The constant use of "WE, US" has been discussed before but I think it is a significant clue, as is the highjacking of other people's work, even their identity. This goes beyond lack of integrity. But I am not a psychiatrist. I am simply pointing out how her "behavior" on several levels seems to suggest something bigger is going on. What that is, I do not know but I can say it does not surprise me that Zehnder would be proud to call herself a "friend" and "colleague" of Sue Scheff.
I stand corrected, and thanks for the info. Somehow it makes me feel better to know Iz was always evil and not corrupted. Now I'll correct what I originally wrote: Sue, you've always been trash. Iz, you're a bottom feeder, always have been, always shall be.
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I don't know who is trying to sell folks on the concept that Izzy has had a change of heart - but whoever it is - you need a serious reality check, yourself.
The information about SS and PURE has been readily available since the publication of the WWASPS v. PURE trial transcripts.
DO NOT presume nor even try to pretend that Izzy did not read that document in full.
This is more damage control, IMO.
Izzy is not blind to the reality that she has no support, nor a shred of respect among her peers.
No one who has an ounce of INTEGRITY would have written that crap about Whitmore, or praised Sue Scheff ad nauseum.
Get real. This borders on extreme misguided (wishful) thinking. Izzy is what she is. Deal with it.
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I haven't seen anyone defend Izzy, or claim she's had a change of heart. Her fat's in the fire, that's all, and she's tyring to distance herself. As I've written before: If you defend a proven abusive program like the Whitmore, you're shit, and a major supporter of abusive teen facilities. Making money off of a hellhole does not make it a non-abusive facility. Izzy's panicking, and I think Sandy's severing of ties with Vileness Fats, Big Boss Izzy, could have rattled her, if Sandy's sincere. I don't trust anyone involved with Sue or Izzy when they claim to have been "enlightened" unless they bring choice, verifiable, and legally damning documentation to the table. Any other defectors out there? Bring me the "reported" story Sue's daughter wrote about the "reported" beating sue inflicted on her head, as well as grabbing her throat.
Otherwise, wring your hands and rend your clothes, beasts, the end is nigh.
Again, Izzy - you made some threats against me when I posted on your blog - legal threats, and I was only speaking the truth. I will be speaking with the GAO, and whether they ask or not, I'm going to give an overview of your activities, and I'll be showing cached pages of your Whitmore rantings.
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Isabelle Zehnder removing this one Whitmore Blog does not mean a whole lot; since:
The Sue Scheff Whitmore Blog remains on the internet; and Isabelle Zehnder's and Scheff's upcoming future Whitmore blogs are advertised on Sue Scheff Whitmore blog with these words:
"Stay tuned......Coming Soon!!"
Zehnder disclosed my name, Joyce Harris in her Whitmore blog.
Scheff and Zehnder posted the cartoon character to represent me, and refer to me as "Cruella De Vil aka San Antonio Parent"
I will not waste my time posting a rebuttal to the copious lies Isabelle Zehnder published in the Whitmore Blog she has removed; I have provided my rebuttal to my attorney--and my rebuttals will be released on my own terms.
I will address on lie that Isabelle Zehnder wrote in her own words in this Whitmore Blog; since she lied and said "testimony" had been given about me and my husband abusing our daughter. There have been NO TRIALS; so therefore, there could not possibly have been any TESTIMONY ever given about any members of my family.
Isabelle Zehnder simple lies.
In the Whitmore blog Zehnder states:
"We believe much of the hype surrounding the Whitmore and the Sudweeks was initiated by one disgrunteled mother- a mother whose daughter had revealed to the Sudweeks and fellow students (who testified to this) that she was abused a home by her
parents.
Again: there have been NO TRIALS; and NO TESTIMONY about any members of my family.
Any "hype surrounding the Whitmore" was initiated when Joey Hamsom; a 14 year old boy filed abuse charges against the Sudweeks in November 2004.
I, Joyce Harris, did not initiate the criminal case agaiinst the Sudweeks, and I, Joyce Harris, did not initiate the Civil Case against the Sudweeks.
Isabelle Zehnder and Sue Scheff have future Whitmore Blogs advertised to be released in the future:
"The Whitmore Academy - Up Close and Personal"
"The Whitmore Academy- The Secret! Shhh"
Both of the blogs promise to reveal more about Joyce Harrris' "secret personal life" and what these two women believe to be my "XXX Activities."
They state these blogs will be based on "information taken from the testimony and evidence complied from the lawsuit."
Personally, I am not impressed that Isabelle Zehnder has removed one Whitmore Blog from ther blog page.
This Whitmore Blog she wrote is still availble to be read by the public, as is Sue Scheff's.
And, I have no doubt that both Zehnder and Scheff will publish the two blogs they have advertised they will publish in the future.
I also have no idea what her motives are for removing this one Whitmore blog. I don't know the woman.
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Her fat's in the fire
Must be a big fire.
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A bonfire.
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Does Izzy just believe she can just write this shit and not be contronted?
If someone testified, present the documents, Izzy!
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She has the DISCLAIMERS........... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
plus she would alter the facts, etc.
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Doesn't Izzy claim to be a paralegal? Izzy wouldn't lie about people who testify would she? Let Izzy talk! ::bigmouth:: ::bigmouth:: ::bigmouth::
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WAS she actually a "paralegal"? hmmm... probably not, a paralegal would have better sense than what she does. I thought she was just a receptionist that got fired. Hearsay... I'm sure someone knows.
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WAS she actually a "paralegal"? hmmm... probably not, a paralegal would have better sense than what she does. I thought she was just a receptionist that got fired. Hearsay... I'm sure someone knows.
A true legal professional might have at least reconsidered publishing this blog for the obvious reason that it reflects so poorly upon the author, not to mention the paralegal profession. Now that the blog has been deleted, Izzy may feel she is "off the hook" (so to speak) but that would be another disgraceful mistake, IMO. Rather like passing the most putrid sulfur-rich gas you can imagine in a public place. Not everyone who was nearby might have heard or smelled it, but those who did are not likely to ever forget.
Assy McPhee
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http://caica.org/Sue_Scheff_October_2006.htm (http://caica.org/Sue_Scheff_October_2006.htm)
Considering this is still posted on CAICA, one might wonder why it has also not been removed since it is clearly promotional. Heck, Sue Scheff even has a link on her front page proudly proclaiming her selection as CAICA's advocate of the month.
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Zen, based on what I read Izzy did with ISAC and the investigation they were conducting on Majestic Ranch, I must respectfully disagree that Izzy started out with "good intentions".
Her first website called Kids in Captivity by Isabelle Zehnder, investigative journalist (LOLS) was created during this time frame.
She volunteered to help ISAC then proceeded to insert herself into the investigation screwing it up. Her "report" is not even on the same level as ISAC's and yet, she does not link at all to ISAC. What's that tell ya? ME, ME, ME. She did the same thing with her "deaths" in facilities list. The orginial source was TAUSA, that was obvious from the get go, yet she gives no credit to TAUSA or others who have been tracking these deaths for years.
Just out of curiosity, when and why did Izzy first post on these forums?
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WAS she actually a "paralegal"? hmmm... probably not, a paralegal would have better sense than what she does. I thought she was just a receptionist that got fired. Hearsay... I'm sure someone knows.
Didn't she work at DQ for a while..?
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Think Izzy actually believed she coulld recruit, ask these parents to come on fornits and post for her; and not expect theses parents to start reading fornits, and discover THE REAL IZZY on their own?
Sandy and GuestV surely caught on fast; and realized what was going on---that they were being used by Izzy.
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Think Izzy actually believed she coulld recruit, ask these parents to come on fornits and post for her; and not expect theses parents to start reading fornits, and discover THE REAL IZZY on their own?
Sandy and GuestV surely caught on fast; and realized what was going on---that they were being used by Izzy.
Not sure what she thought. But yes, once she directed me here (I had never heard of Fornits before) and started reading everything and then researching on the internet, I was shocked. Plus the fact finding out she was running her mouth about private matters that she had no business disclosing.
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I agree guest - Izzy is simply playing hide the ball, IMO.
My guess is the flack that Alex took for even being remotely associated with CAICA is what convinced her to clean house. Only problem is, she didn't really clean house. She swept it all under the rug.
Poor Izzy. Dufus that she is, she thinks she can just hide the mess she created. She forgets all the advocates and survivors who are fighting this industry and consider her to be more foul than pond scum are not going away but rather, multipying in number.
More like hide the salami. Her asshole must be well reamed, metaphorically speaking.
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Hopefully the BEST is yet to come..........
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Think Izzy actually believed she coulld recruit, ask these parents to come on fornits and post for her; and not expect theses parents to start reading fornits, and discover THE REAL IZZY on their own?
Sandy and GuestV surely caught on fast; and realized what was going on---that they were being used by Izzy.
Not sure what she thought. But yes, once she directed me here (I had never heard of Fornits before) and started reading everything and then researching on the internet, I was shocked. Plus the fact finding out she was running her mouth about private matters that she had no business disclosing.
You to hmm?
One of Isabelle's little friends tried the same shit with me on the Chieftain forum a while back. Somehow my name, which I had sent to Isabelle in an email a long time ago, was let slip. Then old Lexxie, Isabelle's buddy, decided to try and paint me as a killer.
Weak sauce and old hat for Izzy. I say you haven't lived till you have been defamed at least once by the nasty bitch.
I wonder if she lays awake at night thinking, "Why do they all hate me?"
Gee you lard ass...
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Question for Izzie--why do you post those monsterous pictures of yourself all over the place? I know we can't really help what we LOOK like sometimes but you seem proud of being morbidly obese. I don't understand. I mean STOMACH STAPLE comes to mind.
Jeff Berryman made the mistake of giving SUE SCHEFF his picture and she emailed it along with nasty comments to about 50 people. and you IZZIE she's made fun of from DAY ONE for being fat and stupid and talking so much.
We guess you and Jeff are Sue-Sue's only friends. Everyone with a BRAIN has joined the LIGHT.
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Suppose I must be special, TSW. Not just a post on some unheard of forum. I get blogged!
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Hi Joyce, Mummie was here! Have a great weekend. We are being plastered with thunderstorms, rain, etc., terrible weather, and flash flood warnings. Wheee!