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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: wayeast on September 01, 2003, 07:32:00 PM
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I have to believe that most of you who are cheering the E-bay ad regarding Sembler's pump don't realize he got it because he's had prostate cancer. If the documents published on the ISAC site are true, then the medical device was taken from his trash, and his very private medical information has been broacast on the internet.
Am I wrong that you don't know this? I haven't been paying close attention to the threads, but it seems like most are as in the dark about that as I was.
I could be happy seeing Sembler in jail, and it ticks me off royally that he's being routinely rewarded for his cruelty. Still, having had my own dignity robbed from me by Straight, I can't celebrate when someone else's is taken from them. Even Sembler.
Understandably, some may not be able to feel any compassion for our embassador to Italy. Fair enough. But do any of you really think, as the ISAC site said, that this is going to result in the story of Straight being told? They're not going to allow Richard to tell WHY he's been stalking the Semblers. They're just going to ask him factual questions about what he's done to them. Based on those answers, he may or may not lose the suit. When it comes to this case, information about Straight is going to be beside the point.
This is going to do nothing to harm the Semblers, and everything to destroy the credibility of the people involved in the case. Richard, what were you thinking?
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See wayeast, most of us don't care. The same as Sembler did'nt care when he allowed illegal drainage hook-ups to his Tyrone holdings which led to the drowning deaths of an Ohio woman and her daughter during the flood of May 8th, 1979.
For fifteen years he did'nt care, until he was forced to care in open court to the tune of 165 thousand dollars to the husband and surviving daughter. Yeah, he's a real humanitarian. Or how about how he destroyed and filled a lake that was home to countless endangered waterfowl near Tyrone so that yuppy scumbags would have a new Best Buy and a few other shops to play in? Or how about the out and out RAILROADING of countless teens using trumped up COURT ORDERS to force teens into the program against their will, at TRIPLE the going rate as 'regular' clients?
Non-Profit Humanitarian my Ass!!! He deserves every bit of humiliation he recieved and this coming lawsuit is what makes this country great!
(God already saw to it he did'nt deserve a natural erection anymore, what more proof do you need?)
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Way to go 85!
I hear ya. That goon (Sembler) never cared about a damned thing but his bank account. His whole attitude seems to be ~ to hell with the kids that died from suicide after they got out of Straight Inc., the hell with the thousands of young people and their families forever altered for the worse from Straight Inc. Long as he got his money on time right Mel?
No, this is not about our past grievances as much as it is about showing present day and potential abusers out their that want to turn kids into cattle commodities like Mel Sembler's Straight Inc. did that there will be consequences for their actions. That those young people will some day reach adulthood and not give the courts a day of rest until justice is served. That has to be the message we are sending out there.
Too bad he had to deal with cancer, good people as well as assholes get cancer. It is still a fact that a lot of injustices from Mel's Straight Inc. still remain not addressed. Mel is still in denial about Straight Inc. for these reasons in my opinion. He is afraid of losing his money, properties, and ?prestige? with the general public.
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I agree with wayeast. Richard is going to be handed his ass and eaten for lunch. None of the straight stuff is going to be admissable or even allowed to be discussed. The only way I can see it being mentioned is if some head psyrinker say that Richard is nuts and the reason why is straight. Sembler was not on the "theraputic" end of straight and can claim he didn't know. So unless Richard has some tangible link where sembler gave directions for the "treatment" of a client, Richard is going to be handed his ass and eaten for lunch.
I also find the tactic of using personal items gleaned from ones refuse bin to be offensive and can guarantee that almost ANY jury can be made to feel the same way. It is going to be all to simple to paint Mel as the victim here. I would love to cause this guy pain and the best way to do that is make a rich guy poor. They don't know how to be poor. I also think Mel is a preditor who gets off on the shit he caused us. It probably tickles him to death. All that, and now he gets to look like the victim of the people he and his ilk have shat upon. JOY!!!!
Short term gratification causing this bastard momentary embarrassment is not what I have in mind when I think of justice. I think of huge fines and a nice, tidy tranfer of wealth.
Last, after reading the particulars of the suit, I decided this was something I was going to keep quiet on. Upon reading all the accolades for the suit I decided to say this is not the right way to do this. It cheapens the whole thing and destroys any credibility that some here have been striving so hard to gain. No one will take anything y'all say seriously after this. Just a fair warning.
CL
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Richard Bradbury's actions are more than just a mere childish prank. By forcing a reaction from Melvin Sembler, and Mel's filing of a lawsuit, Mel has thereby agreed to "step into the ring" and settle this man to man. This now opens Mel Sembler to public scrutiny as well as an extraordinarly important judicial process known as DISCOVERY AND DISCLOSURE. Through D & D, Richard's lawyer can show that Richard's actions were entirely justifiable and in line with someone who suffered at the hands of an evil and perverse facility run solely for the collection of money and profits and that his actions were a "call to arms" and a "plea for attention" to see that present day teens do not have to suffer the same as WE ALL did. Now all you "arm-chair quarterbacks" make such excellent commentators, but I prefer to be down on the field covered in mud and grass and sweat, this way, I don't have reach up and place my fingers on the side of my neck to know I am alive.
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I have less than no sympathy for Melvin Sembler's privacy, dignity or tender feelings.
I worked hard all of my early life to earn a reputation as a hard working, honest and integrous young woman. And I was winning my just deserts. My pastor, teachers, decons and even my employer at age 14 believed in me despite all my mother's bad mouthing. That is the life and world I remembered and what sustained me through two years of unmitigated hell in the care of Smell and Batty's "therapeutic" community.
When I got out, naturally enough I went back home to Pompano. But when I got there, all of my friends, neighbors, teachers, pastor... every soul I ever knew or trusted, had been fed a line of shit about what a junkie whore I was while I was locked away, unable to defend my hard earned reputation.
Fuck that selfish, sadistic son of a bitch!
Do you know that, even to this day, Small and Batty continue to brag about what they did to us? Check it out for yourself. Search on drug free america foundation and look at betty's bio. Search on melvin sembler and look at his official bio as ambassador to Italy.
Do you know that in the year 2000, long after Richard nearly single handedly forced them to close the last remaining Straight, Inc. facility under that corporate name, they were able to pass into federal law a piece of legislation that relagates all federal juvenile rehab spending to programs that employ their "sucessfull" tretment model?
And does it fly over your head that all this has been done and is being done in the name of modern medicine? These sad bastards are pulling down something on the order of $6,000,000,000 (with a B) every year through corporations with names like Alegent Health and Psychemedic?
Personally, I don't buy the cover story that Smell's doctor prescibed a sex toy as a first choice to keep his ailing prostate in shape. When I was pregnant, all three times, my doctors suggested natural, organic sex to keep my systems in shape. I wonder if Smell's doctor didn't give him essentially the same advice. But, for him, that would be a fate worse than death.
"Doc, is there any other way?", he pleaded. All the rest, as they say, is history.
Richard is not a dumb guy. He has not done any of this lightly. Remember that, when he first came to realize the monumental scam that had been perpetrated on him and his family, he was on staff and initially objected to the fact that other staffers were getting stoned on the job. God bless him cause I sure couldn't have at that time and under those circumstances. But he damned sure is a sincere man, whatever his cause. This is not a petty act of malice but a strategic move.
Duct tape is like the force; it has a light side and a dark side and it holds the universe together.
--Jedi Knight school drop out.
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I want to add: Digging through other people's trash is NOT that big of a deal legally at all! Ever heard the term, "Dumpster Diving?" Hell, I've found a good sterio, a cool chair, the computer I'm on right now, and a collectable Red Riding Hood doll from the 70's. The kind with the two heads on either end and three faces that tell the story of little Red Riding Hood! To this day that is my favorite doll. (I collect old dolls) I am also a firm believer that, one man's trash, is another man's treasure. On trash day here, you'll always see people scoping out other peoples trash to see if what they didn't want is something they might want, especially when college is out and students are going home, but regardless, everyone knows that the 'richie' neighborhoods are the juicey prime rib trash areas. You squares that buy everything need to get with the program! Recycle!
(I mean that playfully, not as an attack.) Besides, no one knows what else Richard may have found... :wink:
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Actually, digging through one's trash is perfectly legal. The cops do it all the time. There was a case about that many moons ago and it was found that trash on the curb is no longer your private property. So if going through trash is a problem for the Semblers, perhaps someone ELSE in Florida might want to enact their legal right to go through the Semblers trash - just to let them know that we are still not a fascist country and we are free to dig through anyone's trash that we want.
You'd think ding-dong and his wife would know that. Of course, since they have a "history" with Rich, they are playing the stalker card.
And incidentally, had Richard put a camera around his neck, they couldn't accuse him of stalking - because then he'd be paparazzi - or however you spell that word.
As far as how we feel about this - what's done is done. We may not agree with Richard's methods but he has managed to accomplish a very important goal - this will be in court, as a matter of public record! And whoever said that it all won't come out - must be thinking for the prosecution. Sembler's attorney won't ask for Richard's reasons - but Rich's attorney will and then, my friends, it will be a matter of public record.
Hopefully, there will be survivors in the courtroom and protestors outside.
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I recognize mine isn't going to be a popular opinion, so take it for what it's worth. Please keep in mind that I don't wish anything bad for any of you, including and especially Richard.
First, though, with regard to the pump, we're not talking about the kind of thing they might sell at a porn shop. I'm pretty sure this is a pump that is used only by men who've had their prostates completely removed. This isn't something anyone could use for anything kinky.
Second, I agree: dumpster diving is not illegal. Neither, apparently, was what they did to all of us. Doesn't make either one desirable or acceptable.
Third, I stand by my belief that the judge is not going to let Richard explain why he has been going after Sembler. The case is about whether or not Richard harrassed Sembler (and possibly extorted him). Just because the defense attorney wants to talk about something doesn't mean the judge will let him. Discovery has its limitations.
Will there be media coverage? Apparently there will. Richard appears to have found a (sort of) sympathetic reporter at the SP Times. Others may also get on the bandwagon, and if it does get the Straight story out again, I'll be happy for that aspect of the situation. That may or may not comfort Richard if he ends up broke and/or in jail.
I understand being angry to the point of rage that this kind of bull***t still is going on. I was eaten up about Straight for years, and trust me: I'll never be able to forget what happened to my family.
But being right doesn't justify unnecessary cruelty, no matter what happened in the past. Lose track of that, and you're on your way to becoming a monster just like Sembler.
I sincerely hope Richard finds his way out of this with his life intact.
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You don't think anything done at Straight was illegal? Truthfully?
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Please see my response to the SPiT editors at http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... &forum=7&3 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=2918&forum=7&3)
Marihuana influences Negroes to look at white people in the eye, step on white men's shadows and look at a white woman twice.
--Hearst newspapers nationwide, 1934
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This is how deep and how wide and how bad this is:
http://www.radio4all.org/crackcia/castillo.html (http://www.radio4all.org/crackcia/castillo.html)
The hypothalamus is one of the most important parts of the brain, involved in many kinds of motivation, among other functions. The hypothalamus controls the "Four F's": 1. fighting; 2. fleeing; 3.feeding; and 4. mating.
-- Psychology professor in neuropsychology intro course
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We were patsies.
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Wayeast, I don't know how the legal battle will play out. I do know that Richard has worked for 20 years to bring to light the abuses that continue to go on at Straight descendant programs. And I will do my level best to help get media attention to this case.
Boundary, n. In political geography, an imaginary line between two nations, separating the imaginary rights of one from the imaginary rights of another.
-- Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary
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Yes, Bradbury is being charged with Stalking... and the language in the law (stated in the pleadings) pretty much states "Harrassment... causes emotional distress.... and serves no legitimate purpose" (Yes... I've truncated it)
Point is, and Bradbury states in his St. Pete Times Interview - that the dumpster diving and the "whole schmear" - everything Bradbury has done - HAS a purpose: to GET THE WORD OUT! In that he has been successful.
What I find laughable is that the Semblers are claiming "Emotional Distress"....
The SEMBLERS are claiming EMOTIONAL DISTRESS!?!?!?!!!!
*knock knock knock*
*head twist*
*eyes open wide*
::jawdrop::
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No kidding! That's what galls me. Know what else? I don't know about anyone else, but I don't think I ever knew about Melvin's cancer until the lawsuit. That's their big claim to martyrdome; that Richard went and told everyone about the illness. Well he didn't.
I wonder how he's doing. Anyone heard from him lately? I hope he's ok.
I told all four that there are going to be some times where we don't
agree with each other, but that's OK. If this were a dictatorship, it
would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator.
--GW Büsh, CNN.com, December 18, 2000
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Write the judge! Write the court!
(might need to check the address)
SIXTH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT COURT IN AND FOR PINELLAS COUNTY, FLORIDA CIVIL DIVISION
Judge Walt Logan
Rm. 211, 545 First Avenue North
St. Petersburg, FL 33701
(727) 582-7288
Judge Walt Logan
Family Law Section 24
Judicial Practice Preferences for Attorneys and Support Staff
St. Petersburg Judicial Bldg.
545 First Avenue North
St. Petersburg, FL 33701
727/582-7200
Write letters to the St. Petersburg Times!
E-Mail: [email protected]
Write letters to support the accusations against the Semblers and about your experiences in Straight in support of Richard.
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Whether your oppinion is simply that this was a desperate measure, or that of a man who has cracked after relentless efforts to uncover the truth, or even a brave attempt to shine light on that truth, and whether or not the judge allows testimony regarding Straight, it HAS ALREADY brought attention to Straight and the Sembler's. It made the paper. They acknowleded a link to Straight.
Now it's up to everyone to bombard the, judges, the courts, and the media while this window is open. Use it!
We can only hope that as this evolves enough people will raise their voices loud enough in an effort to let the media, the judge, and whomever else will listen, that the survivors of these programs have not fallen asleep, are not all dead, and will not stop until those involved are exposed for who they really are.
Just hopefully some brave mental health professionals, journalists, authors or elected officials will be paying attention. It would only take one person in the right
position...
Write the paper!
Write the media outlets that haven't covered this story!
Write the judge!
Send a letter to Richard's lawyer!
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How would we go about entering an Amicus brief?
Come to the woods, for here is rest. There is no repose like that of the green deep woods. Here grow the wallflower and the violet. The squirrel will come and sit upon your knee, the logcock will wake you in the morning. Sleep in forgetfulness of all ill. Of all the upness accessible to mortals, there is no upness comparable to the mountains.
-- John Muir
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Wayeast:
Let's just keep things in perspective here.
"Richard appears to have found a (sort of) SYMPATHETIC REPORTER at the SP Times." ?WAYEAST
Let's encourage and applaud the one brave reporter who is willing to rehash anything that involves what happened at Straight and print anything Richard said. Let's applaud Richard for succeeding at least in that light, regardless of the measures taken.
(1) definition
SYMPATHETIC: existing or operating through an affinity, interdependence, or mutual association.
Sympathetic: Mutual association & interdependence btw. the wealthy and privileged who make campaign contributions, and perpetuate the re-election and appointment of politicians. Politicians who are the fabric that uphold the laws and limitations which protect perpetrators of crimes against minors from being held accountable., and insuring that victims and survivors are silenced. Politicians who instead of searching for the truth and holding criminals accountable, appoint them ambassadors, pump up their books, and promote programs and individuals who were a part of the organized intimidation, depravation, harassment, and abuse of children, adolescents, teens and adults.
Politicians, privilege, wealth, campaign contributions, and connections = clemency.
"But being right doesn't justify UNNECESSARY CRUELTY." ?WAYEAST
Excuse me? Are you implying that Richard's actions are "Cruel"?
(2):definition
CRUELTY: 1) the quality or state of being cruel 2a) a cruel action b) inhuman treatment
3) to endanger life or health or to cause mental suffering or fear
"Unnecessary Cruelty": Straight, Kids of BC, Kids of NJ and programs like them.
Absence of professional supervision by psychologists, psychiatrists, social workers, or other mental health professionals. Ignoring the required staff to patient ratio. Denying the "bill of patient rights". Refusal to provide necessary medical attention or medication. Malpractice, misdiagnosis, insurance fraud, false documentation. Inadequate treatment of chemical and psychological disorders. Depravation, including an education or adequate sources of nourishment, hydration, sleep, sunlight. Refusal of bathroom use, resulting in these individuals defecating on themselves and forcing them to wear soiled clothing. Shaming incest survivors and rape victims. Calling them "gay". Calling it "sex" with an adult, blaming them for the heinous crimes committed against them. Forcing and subjecting children as young as 10-14 to hear sexually explicit "confessions", sexual language, and detailed stories of rape, sex, masturbation, etc. Sexual abuse and molestation. Subjecting minors to witness and engage in violence and assaults. Organized, systematic efforts to convert homosexuals. Coercing and insisting a pregnant teen get an abortion. Violations of privacy. Control of bodily functions, eye, hand, leg, mouth, head, and extremity movements 24 hours a day. Restraint and assaults as a result of un-allowed eye, finger, hand, movements, speaking, not sitting up straight, or crossing one's legs. Force feeding. Using the withholding of food, hydration and sleep as a motivational tool. Controlling the rate and frequency that a child may defecate, urinate, and the speed that they must wipe themselves. The prevention of air flow to the mouth and nose simultaneously (sometimes referred to as "suffocation" in some schools of thought) as a means of controlling a restrained individual who is crying, or speaking, or "talking out." Wrongful imprisonment, kidnapping, assault, violent physical attacks, emotional battery, harassment, coercion, intimidation. Instilling extreme fear and suffering. Organized inhumane treatment of minors. Endangering children's safety, and their mental, emotional and physical health. Bite marks, bald spots, broken bones, bruises...torture. (Please correct me if I have forgotten something or in error, added anything which you know to be incorrect.)
What happened in Straight, Kids, and other programs WAS and IS ILLEGAL.
The question should be: Why have they and continue to get away with this!
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Does a lawyer need to file an Amicus Brief? I think I read that somewhere.
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On 2003-09-05 08:47:00, Antigen wrote:
"Wayeast, I don't know how the legal battle will play out. I do know that Richard has worked for 20 years to bring to light the abuses that continue to go on at Straight descendant programs. And I will do my level best to help get media attention to this case.
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I think most of us consider Richard a hero for successfully suing Straight. Years ago, he brought much-needed media attention to the abuses there. Lawsuits like his helped shut down some of the Straights, and it forced the others to hide their true nature even further. I understand and respect your loyalty to him. I can't and won't agree with his recent methods, but like you, I wish him well.
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Anonymous said:
"But being right doesn't justify UNNECESSARY CRUELTY." ?WAYEAST
Excuse me? Are you implying that Richard's actions are "Cruel"?
I'm not implying it. I'm saying it outright. He took medical information of a most personal and humiliating nature and broadcast it on the Internet. The fact that we understand what motivated him to do so, and that we can sympathize with the anger Richard feels, doesn't change the fact that what he did was cruel.
How sorry do I feel for Sembler? I'm as aware as any of you what he is responsible for, and how he's been rewarded for his actions instead of punished. But after what I've seen, I refuse to start down the same path he took, justifying my own unacceptable actions in the name of a cause.
What happened in Straight, Kids, and other programs WAS and IS ILLEGAL.
The question should be: Why have they and continue to get away with this!
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I know. You've got about a hundred good reasons there to hate Sembler and everything he stands for. We all do. It's nothing short of an ongoing outrage. And I hope like hell some good comes of this situation, and it might.
I can't get on the bandwagon, though, and defend something I think was a poor choice. If Richard was my closest friend,I'd be giving him hell over what he's done, and I'd be trying to talk him into taking a less self-destructive path.
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Here's the thing, Wayeast. I don't care whether Richard hurt Melvin's tender feelings. And I think you're mistaken in saying that Richard exposed any medical condition.
I think Richard found an interesting and commical item in Melvin's trash (Melvin being WAY over the line between private and public citizen) and he used it to draw attention to a cause. Until Melvin's lawyer mentioned it, it had never even occured to me that the pump had anything to do with any medical condition. Actually, I figured someone probably had sent it to him as a joke.
But, at the bottom of it, I feel the same about Richard as I do about Colleen. I don't think I ever met Colleen and I've only met Richard once. I'm very sure that they're both legal adults and that I'm not their mommy. It is not my place to tell them what to say to or about whom. I'm also not Richard's lawyer nor his judge and, as such, am mostly uninterested in the particulars of the civil suit in question.
What I'm interested in is the same as it ever was. I'm interested in the reasons why a guy like Richard would dedicate so much of his life and take such risks just to get journalists interested in Melvin's history with Straight, Inc.
Whenever these Program people whine and complain about all the horrible, mean and spiteful things we all have to say about them, it makes me think of Charly Brown. No, not the popular and affable comic strip character created by Charles Schulz, but the protagonist in the hit song by the Coasters, "Charley Brown".
"He's gonna get caught, just you wait and see
(Why's everybody always pickin' on me?)"
Our Constitution is in actual operation; everything appears to promise that it will last; but in this world nothing is certain but death and taxes.
Ben Franklin Letter to M. Leroy, 1789.
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Richard is a HERO and he has sacraficed more than we will ever know.. IMO We should all give a big HORRAH Hurray!!! to richard...
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"I'm not implying it. I'm saying it outright. He took medical information of a most personal and humiliating nature and broadcast it on the Internet."
So, let's see here. When the members of ISAC, that cruel graduate husband and wife team, with a last name that begins with "E", when they listed the names of girls who they assumed had been "forced" to have an abortion, when they did that, where was your indignation then, Wayeast? And when someone spoke up and they launched an attack on the person who pointed out that what they were doing was wrong and, as you say, revealing private medical information of a most personal and humiliating nature, again, where was your indignation for their unrepentant defense of what they had done? And don't tell me you weren't on the board, as one of the people they named got on and was quite upset, just recently, so they finally removed the names. But still the question remains: Where is your indignation for survivors being cruel to other survivors with their lies and their propaganda and their posting of things that they haven't even verified as truth? As least R.B. posted the truth, "cruel" or not. But what I can't understand is how instead of defending innocent survivors, you get on here and you defend Sembler!?! ::puke::
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I agree that defending the Semblers is a crock. They can eat shit and die for all I care. But I thought we were all past the "confidentiality" thing already...Shelby's intentions were good, AND she wiped the names and apologized. What more do you want? How about I send you a dead horse so you can beat it? :flame:
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Yeah, I've made the same mistake passing on inaccurate information and attaching it to the full names of people who just didn't want it out there. Correcting the error and apologizing is the thing to do.
That's quite different from what Richard is doing. You can tell what his intentions are by carefully examining his real actions over the last 20 years. It's not about inflicting humiliation or emotional distress on the Semblers. It's about uncovering past and ongoing incidents of child abuse.
You should also remember that Richard found the damned thing at least 12 years ago and, in the mean time, has tried just about every legal and peaceful means at his disposal to draw attention to these child abusers. I really can't get too hung up on poor Melvin's privacy. Especially in light of his history of using humiliation and emotional blackmail against children.
Writing about music is like dancing about architecture.
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Froderik, aren't you the same guy that can't seem to manage reading cryptic messages?
And aren't you the same guy that doesn't understand why a large number of persons are angry with ISAC?
And aren't you the same guy who doesn't understand exactly what is happening off of this board behind the scenes? (Not to mention your blatant ignorance of what's happening right in front of your damn face on the board).
Then why do you keep sticking your foot in your mouth and defending what you can't fathom?
So comprehend this Froderik: You are the proverbial program parent. You are defending what you can't see and what you don't understand and you are so fucking wrong that in the near future, you are going to feel like an utterly blind fool.
But here's some advice for you. If you don't know what's going on, try shutting up and paying attention for a change. :roll:
You might just learn something. :eek:
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WTF Anonymous? You speak as though you are on a verge, of sorts. A verge of what? That rant makes you look a lot like you berate people on purpose. Besides, you never know what goes on behind the scenes. I think a reader here could perceive your comments as being, at the very least, mildly threatening. Should someone allow another to step on their toes? Only time will tell
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What's with pounding on Froderik? He was simply stating the obvious. There are just some things that shouldn't be announced on the internet. Hey Anoniot! Everybody has dirty laundry, most just don't hang it on the line for all to see.
Plus who cares about cryptic messages. If I wanted to be a cryptologist I'd work for the NSA.
Pray tell, what is happening behind the scenes? Why is everyone angry with ISAC? Damn, who'd have thought I'm angry? I don't feel angry....
Just remember, some of the program parents were quite cool and very fun to hang around.
CL
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Didn't Miss Samantha lead a one-woman protest in regards to the Bradbury thing? Three cheers for you Sammie!!! And for Wes - who taught us that a protest doesn't have to include a group.
And twelve years? Did he really have it for twelve long years? Talk about restraint. How encouraging. There is something to be said for waiting for just the right moment before going public against the bad guys.
Richard is absolutely a hero! And incidentally, I hope you people in Florida are keeping an eye on the St. Pete Times. I'm waiting with breathless anticipation to see if they print any of our letters. Have you seen any yet?
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So tell me, who's angry with ISAC besides Safety Net or, I mean ummm...you? I never claimed to know what's going on "behind the scenes". If there's something worth knowing about, praytell..
and as far as ignorance to what goes on here, I won't deny that that's been the case at times, but I never tried to hide it...but I think I "fathom" what going on here now. Shelby apoplogized (it was somewhere on this board, I wasn't hallucinating) and YOU won't let up. Tell me what I'm wrong about. You're the fool, and why don't you try shutting up? :grin:
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FUCK! That was me!! :flame: :grin:
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Okay can we keep this focused on Richard?
Every time something about you know who appears on the board, a certain not all there person starts telephoning and threatening the other you know who's and then it goes around and around and really, let's stop this crazy thing. Does it really matter how many people have a problem with the first you know who's? [If you must know the count is up to about fifteen disgruntled and harmed persons, but hey, I keep count for a reason.] :nworthy: :nworthy: :nworthy: :nworthy:
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On 2003-09-09 06:09:00, LeighBright wrote:
"Didn't Miss Samantha lead a one-woman protest in regards to the Bradbury thing? Three cheers for you Sammie!!! And for Wes - who taught us that a protest doesn't have to include a group.
No, four!
And twelve years? Did he really have it for twelve long years?
Well, I know he had it back in 2000 when I met him in Orlando. And I'm pretty sure he said he found it in 1990.
Richard is absolutely a hero! And incidentally, I hope you people in Florida are keeping an eye on the St. Pete Times. I'm waiting with breathless anticipation to see if they print any of our letters. Have you seen any yet?
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Absolutely! Anyone who reads the Times can write to them. But local letters get more weight. Check out Wes' essay at http://thestraights.com/editorials/tash_vietnam.htm (http://thestraights.com/editorials/tash_vietnam.htm)
I found it inspiring. If a bunch of us would write occasional letters to the editor and send news tips to the news desk, corrections and fill in omissions to the social columnists, maybe they'll take up the cause again.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
-- Aristotle