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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) => Topic started by: Anonymous on June 15, 2005, 01:30:00 PM
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We would strongly urge parents to think twice before sending their child to a residential program (teens, pre-teens, young adults) and before using teen escort services. Many are not licenses or regulated (both the faciltiies and programs and the escort services.)
Look for warning signs, read articles and personal stories at:
http://www.caica.org (http://www.caica.org)
http://www.isaccorp.org (http://www.isaccorp.org)
And read others' experiences right here on fornits.com.
Many families are broken, not healed, from experiences at these places so please read warning signs, read others' stories before you make that final decision.
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i got a list that goes on and on and on and on that says other wise
I believe that human beings arrive on this Earth wanting to know absolutely everything, and the best thing we can do as parents is to get out of the way -- just be there to let them know what opportunities are there
-- Dorothy Werner, media liaison for the National Homeschool Association
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i got a list that goes on and on and on and on that says other wise
well guess what son have you ever been to either of those sites? They list goes on and on there as well, and my personal experiance says that those that get out of the program are nothing to be pleased about either, because they are broken people with no indiviually, accept maybe their religion, my friend who came back was forced to stop practicing hers and she is just getting it back.All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.
--Thomas Paine, American revolutionary
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On 2005-06-16 06:14:00, OverLordd wrote:
" i got a list that goes on and on and on and on that says other wise
well guess what son have you ever been to either of those sites? They list goes on and on there as well, and my personal experiance says that those that get out of the program are nothing to be pleased about either, because they are broken people with no indiviually, accept maybe their religion, my friend who came back was forced to stop practicing hers and she is just getting it back.All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.
--Thomas Paine, American revolutionary
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son? im not related to you. God I hope not. We practice honesty in my family.. so no i dont think you should be calling my son... im a girl
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hey how come all these kids in here who are against the program know so much freaking physcology stuff? are yall professionals? i mean do u study and break the program of a wwasp program down... see what it is... and learn how its operated? then spend ur time on sites like this is proove to people what u know? im just curious. what is it?
Government can do something for the people only in proportion as it can do something to the people
Thomas Jefferson.
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On 2005-06-16 07:56:00, leleNtom wrote:
"hey how come all these kids in here who are against the program know so much freaking physcology stuff? are yall professionals? i mean do u study and break the program of a wwasp program down... see what it is... and learn how its operated? then spend ur time on sites like this is proove to people what u know? im just curious. what is it?Government can do something for the people only in proportion as it can do something to the people
Thomas Jefferson.
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I can only speak for myself, of course. But, yes, I have read some about the psychological aspects behind cults like WWASP, and the techniques they use to break down their captives and convince them of the higher purpose of the group.
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hey how come all these kids in here who are against the program know so much freaking physcology stuff?
Because we study. I am knowledgeable about cults, yet I don't call WWASP a cult, I just think their a bunch of abusive people that need to be hurt, and this is how they do it. If you acually read about it and get a few books its not that hard.
son? im not related to you. God I hope not. We practice honesty in my family.. so no i dont think you should be calling my son... im a girl
So you going to respond to what I say? Or attack my language? Is'ent that one of the things they do in group or at the simenars or some such place, now lets be a good little WWASPie and respond to what I have to say.I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much
liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
--Thomas Jefferson, 1791, in a letter to Archibald Stuart
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On 2005-06-16 07:56:00, leleNtom wrote:
"hey how come all these kids in here who are against the program know so much freaking physcology stuff? are yall professionals? i mean do u study and break the program of a wwasp program down... see what it is... and learn how its operated? then spend ur time on sites like this is proove to people what u know? im just curious. what is it?Government can do something for the people only in proportion as it can do something to the people
Thomas Jefferson.
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Because intelligent people like to learn about themselves. When a person is victimized by abuse or a traumatic experience, it is helpful to understand what happened to them in order to heal from the experience. Knowledge is power. I cannot see how a man of any large degree of humorous perception can ever be religious -- unless he purposely shut the eyes of his mind and keep them shut by force.
--Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain", American author and humorist
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thats stupid....u said one thing smart i think... there not cults... there just wacked out. i think some staff go in there with the mind set.. actually all of them, go in there thinking im going to help change someones life.. amazing, then eventually it becomes a power trip. i hated those staff memebers who thaught they were better then me.
What was done with the seed saved from the India Hemp last summer? It ought, all of it, to have been sewn again; that not only a stock of seed sufficient for my own purposes might have been raised, but to have disseminated the seed to others; as it is more valuable than the common Hemp.
George Washington, Writings of Washington, Vol. 35, pg. 72
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thats stupid....u said one thing smart i think... there not cults... there just wacked out. i think some staff go in there with the mind set.. actually all of them, go in there thinking im going to help change someones life.. amazing, then eventually it becomes a power trip. i hated those staff memebers who thaught they were better then me.
What do you mean, thats stupid? Whats stupid, and why, just saying thats stupid does not mean it is. But your right self rightous people are a pain.India Indicas, Mr. Peabody?
-- Sherman
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i forgot why i said thats stupid.. sorry
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On 2005-06-16 11:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
"i forgot why i said thats stupid.. sorry"
my dad wants me to go in the navy,, but after being thru one of those seminars and being yelled at 24/7 u would think u could handle a marshall getting in ur face... no way it'd make me snap, all those times i couldnt say something cuz it would drop me.. damn! but thats not to say i didnt speak my mind cuz i did, a little too much. they didnt really like me at csa, cuz i always made sure everything ot done and was on top of everyone even administration. i wasnt a programized like they wanted me to be. o hwellA free man must be able to endure it when his fellow men act and live otherwise than he considers proper. He must free himself from the habit, just as soon as something does not please him, of calling for the police.
Ludwig Von Mises
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dude leleNtom! what the hell man! where do you stand? You defend the school then you say you hate it, pick!!!
Nothing is denied to well-directed labor, and nothing is ever to be
attained without it.
--Joshua Reynolds (1723-1792)
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On 2005-06-16 11:05:00, OverLordd wrote:
"dude leleNtom! what the hell man! where do you stand? You defend the school then you say you hate it, pick!!!Nothing is denied to well-directed labor, and nothing is ever to be
attained without it.
--Joshua Reynolds (1723-1792)
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i stand for hell yes imma fucking out of that place!!! thanks for trying to change my life but i did it on my own!!! thats where i stand... i repeat.. i was never physically abusedf. no scars. i do however, have emotional ones , like fear and anger. if someone fucking gets in my face all i have surpressed from betting sent there comes up. its confusing,, what i defend it the supposed physical abuse. other thatn that i am ok wit the schoolOur country has deliberately undertaken a great social and economic experimanet, noble in motive and far-reaching in purpose. [The Eighteenth Amendment, enacting Prohibition.]
Letter to Senator W.H. Borah
--Herbert Hoover (Feb 28, 1928)
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Ok, I understand, as I said on another post, they did not harm you physically but they did emotionally, do I understand the situation? And you dont like them, but you do think they were trying to help? You just dont completely hate them or somthing?
Nobody writes curriculum for self-determined spiritual individuals and expects to sell it in the public school market.
John Taylor Gatto
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On 2005-06-16 11:25:00, OverLordd wrote:
"Ok, I understand, as I said on another post, they did not harm you physically but they did emotionally, do I understand the situation? And you dont like them, but you do think they were trying to help? You just dont completely hate them or somthing?Nobody writes curriculum for self-determined spiritual individuals and expects to sell it in the public school market.
John Taylor Gatto
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i think that for some aspects, yes, they are trying to get kids to rralize that what they were doing pre program was " non working ". I have always liked that seminars. I just though it was fun. crying in them was becase the songs reminded me of my dad. but i still enjoy seminars. but i didnt like what went on in the dorms. but yeah i would say what u wrote is true
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On 2005-06-16 12:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-06-16 11:25:00, OverLordd wrote:
"Ok, I understand, as I said on another post, they did not harm you physically but they did emotionally, do I understand the situation? And you dont like them, but you do think they were trying to help? You just dont completely hate them or somthing?Nobody writes curriculum for self-determined spiritual individuals and expects to sell it in the public school market.
John Taylor Gatto
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i think that for some aspects, yes, they are trying to get kids to rralize that what they were doing pre program was " non working ". I have always liked that seminars. I just though it was fun. crying in them was becase the songs reminded me of my dad. but i still enjoy seminars. but i didnt like what went on in the dorms. but yeah i would say what u wrote is true"
How can anyone "enjoy" a seminar? how can anyone enjoy being forced to share their "deepest, darkest secret" with strangers, and them get ripped to pieces and have your personal issues used against you/ how can anyone benefit, not to mention enjoy, an EST-style seminar?
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I went on this site to get this parent resource book for troubled teen and the people emailed me back with a website to go to called parentoptionts.com ( haven't checked it out yet ) because they also sent me three websites to check out and they were the 3 main places everybody is talking about Casa By the Sea, Spring Creek Lodge, and Ivy Ridge. Ater checking them out and reading all of these horror stories and what all these poor kids and people went through, I think I will handle my own problems with my daughter. She is only 15 and there is still hope for her and alot of room for her to grow. If anything like that ever happened to her somebody would really be fuckin sorry, because they would be hearing about me on the news!! :flame: :wave:
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good good, your a good man, better than most parents, im happy for you, I hope everything works out.
If triangles had a God, He'd have three sides.
--Old Yiddish proverb
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On 2005-06-18 23:52:00, jodi805 wrote:
"I went on this site to get this parent resource book for troubled teen and the people emailed me back with a website to go to called parentoptionts.com ( haven't checked it out yet ) because they also sent me three websites to check out and they were the 3 main places everybody is talking about Casa By the Sea, Spring Creek Lodge, and Ivy Ridge. Ater checking them out and reading all of these horror stories and what all these poor kids and people went through, I think I will handle my own problems with my daughter. She is only 15 and there is still hope for her and alot of room for her to grow. If anything like that ever happened to her somebody would really be fuckin sorry, because they would be hearing about me on the news!! :flame: :wave: "
What are the websites?
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Here is the Email they sent me w/ the 3 websites. I just think It's a bunch of bullshit that after all of this stuff has happened to all of these people that they are still recomending these schools or whatever the hell you call them!!!! Isn't Casa By the Sea closed? And when was it closed? Are these people that stupid that they are not even up to date on their current events. Stupid ignorant people!! I'm a single mom and she is my only child, yes it's been a struggle and very hard for me, I know it is going to get alot harder too, but like I said I will handle my daughters own problems, because if somebody hurts my daughter I will fuckin kill them!!!!!!!!!!
______________ HERE IS THE EMAIL ________________
Thank You for using Parent Options. Our goal is
to give parents different options on price and locations that can best help their struggling teen. You may shortly receive a call from representatives of the 3 schools below. For
your convenience we have also included the
schools phone numbers and web addresses below. We will also be sending you a listing of other schools and programs that may also assist you in getting help.
Spring Creek Academy is one of the Nation's most
popular Schools for Struggling Teens. It has a tremendous track record and a high parent
satisfaction rate.
Phone: 800-637-0701
Web: http://sclinfo.com/th/ (http://sclinfo.com/th/)
Casa by the Sea is a renown program that provides
superior quality and services, yet is very cost effective. It is considered by many to be the Best
Value available.
Phone: 877-865-9935
Web:http://tic.casabythesea.org/
Academy of Ivy Ridge is one of the Nation's most
advanced Schools. It utilizes a "state of the art" computerized curriculum. It also provides the right kind of environment and support that assist many of Today's students in succeeding.
Phone: 800-793-5156
Web: http://prh.ivyridge.us/ (http://prh.ivyridge.us/)
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::blushing:: Sorry, I don't know how I got my post on there twice. I'm new at this. ::rainbow::
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On 2005-06-19 23:02:00, jodi805 wrote:
" ::blushing:: Sorry, I don't know how I got my post on there twice. I'm new at this. ::rainbow:: "
I dunno. Are you hitting reload when you back up after posting? If you figure it out, please let me know. Maybe there's something I can do to make that not happen. O senseless man, who cannot possibly make a worm and yet will make Gods by the dozen!
--Michel Eyqyem de Montaigne, French essayist