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Maybe it's just me but isn't ten thousand dollars bail a bit extreme for these allegations? And was this dude such a threat that he had to be extradited from another state? Something really stinks here if you want my two cents.

I'm doing great Paul, the further I get away from that cesspool called Daytop the better I become. I just questioned if that was you posting or someone using your style of writing in here.

Boy the old time tc's used to call this crap "negative reinforcement". When I hear of it happening today it makes me forget who I am just for a moment and go down there beat the livin shit out of somebody, then rationalize it by saying it's only a consequence of you abusing kids.

Honesty, if you have a moment of clear thinking today can you tell us what exactly your affiliation is or was with Daytop? I'm interested because I find it amusing that you now turn your attacks to DJ. He is the third person in this thread to identify themselves as a former employee of Daytop and you have chosen to accuse all three of us as being fired when that is far from the truth.

And neither has to do with Daytop.  My question:  After decades in "the business," why hasn't Daytop ever conducted a single, solitary study of their outcomes?  

My suspicion is because they keep no data and have no interest in exposing anything about themselves to public scrutiny.  They keep their mouths shut because if they don't there will be no denying that they are full of bologna, to put it nicely.

Daytop has conducted many internal studies of their outcomes but I highly doubt they will ever publish them. I just wonder how long it will be before anybody ever decides to look into how public funds are spent on useless treatments. I mean we are talking about tens of millions of dollars per year here.

The  link to the study or research on the efficacy of Daytop is: http://wwf.fornits.com. My proof that Daytop works is Odie.
 I'm sure I could research Daytop and come back with a number of studies saying one thing or another, You will find something wrong with it. My only to question to you all is to define success?  Odie is living proof that daytop works as are a number of people who posted on this site. Odie, I'm still waiting for the info on Chapel Hill.

No actually Odie is living proof that once you leave Daytop you can see it for what it really is.  I succeeded in life not because of Daytop but of all the hard work I did and continue to do. If you want to call warehousing people until they clean themselves up and look real good on the outside a measure of success then yes Daytop can work for some people, usually only the ones that are on death's doorstep to begin with as I was.
As far as Chappell Hill is concerned that was one of the bigger messes that Daytop got into. They opened that adolescent Texas facility in 1991 and lost their license in 1994. It had a wonderful history from hiring a wanted felon (child molestor), to a director that was caught lying on video tape at a community meeting about staff having firearms on the property. Then there were the many runaways that caused damage to neighbors' property including stealing the local Fire Chief's car. Oh and I'd be remiss to forget the assaults on kids by staff. All in all a place that Daytop would very much like to forget.

You will not find any positive findings research because no independent research has ever been done and "Honesty" knows it.What you may find is internal outcomes studies that will reflect like most programs the longer you stay, the longer you stay clean. On the other hand there is a boat load of independent research that shows how the archaic techniques used by TC's under the mask olf behavioral modification therapy is abusive, and in some forms illegal. Was I a part of this at one time? Indeed I was. When I rebelled against their tactics I was branded a malcontent. FinallyI gave up my fight and moved away. Abuse at Daytop wasn't just from staff to resident but also from senior staff to lower staff. I will niether forgive nor forget that. :wave: