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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on June 19, 2009, 05:03:37 PM
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We are pleased to announce that the CAFETY website is live!
Features include information on CAFETY's efforts and how you can get
involved, press coverage on the issue of residential care, legislation
information and upcoming CAFETY events.
When our site initially went down, we were devastated to find out
that, as a result of the hacking, we lost all information on our 600+
registered members, including profiles, pictures, forums, blogs and
other registration information. The good news is that, with your
help, we can build that resource back up with the goal of surpassing
our previous number.
In the phase 2 portion of our website upgrade we will be working to
develop this popular feature, with improvements being made in the
areas of ease of use, community organizing, communication between
members and publicizing your (the user/members) experiences by
providing the public with access to information you decide you would
like the public to see (specifically parents seeking information and
the press) which may include any number of options including blogging,
facility attended, dates, and contact information. Special attention
will be given to enhancing security to ensure we do not incur the same
problem. Our Community feature will resemble our previous set-up, but
better! Please be patient, we expect to have this feature fully
functioning within the next few months, around the time we anticipate
completion of CAFETY's comprehensive survey for individuals with
residential program experience. (Pending Internal Review Board-IRB-
approval). We will inform you when we have completed both projects.
Please visit us at (and forward our link along to you friends, family
and colleagues):
http://www.cafety.org (http://www.cafety.org)
In solidarity,
Kathryn Whitehead, executive director
Brian Lombrowski, President
Eric Beasley, Treasurer
Christy Dibble, Secretary
Charley Huffine, M.D.
Alex Koroknay-Palicz
Amy Christel
Board of Advisors
Lenore Behar, PhD.
Phil Elberg, Esq
Michelle Callner, Esq
Mor Keshet, L-CAT
Jon Martin-Crawford
CAFETY CA
April Peters - Ally Member
Becky Meister - Tranquilty Bay, Casa by the Sea
Bev Coluzzi - Ally Member
Chelsea Filer - Casa by the Sea, High Impact
Dustin Manuel - Music Director "Flight to Sinai"
Heather Harding - Chapter Leader - CEDU Running Springs 1
Melissa Maisa - Mount Bachelor Academy 92-94
Rebecca Ulrich - Monarch School, Second Nature
Travis Brown - Ally Member
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Congratulation. Remember! Backup-backup-backup
Send a message to Youthrights.org that they should think about this also. I cannot access their webpage right now and Paulu had messages for their message board.
KD will be happy to kickstart your message board. She was very active before the webpage went down.
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Looks great.
Only serious deficit is there is no easily clickable "testimony area," that I see. What needs to be presented, most importantly, are the experiences of captives in these "treatment" facilities. Only with a large selection of accessible testimony the true horror of abduction, imprisonment and brainwashing enter the public sphere.
And that’s the only way for the voiceless (the dead, those too injured to speak) to be given voice.
thanks
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Looks great.
Only serious deficit is there is no easily clickable "testimony area," that I see. What needs to be presented, most importantly, are the experiences of captives in these "treatment" facilities. Only with a large selection of accessible testimony the true horror of abduction, imprisonment and brainwashing enter the public sphere.
And that’s the only way for the voiceless (the dead, those too injured to speak) to be given voice.
thanks
http://cafety.youthrights.org/wiki/inde ... _Testimony (http://cafety.youthrights.org/wiki/index.php?title=Submit_Your_Testimony)
That's where we are collecting testimony for now.
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Looks great.
Only serious deficit is there is no easily clickable "testimony area," that I see. What needs to be presented, most importantly, are the experiences of captives in these "treatment" facilities. Only with a large selection of accessible testimony the true horror of abduction, imprisonment and brainwashing enter the public sphere.
And that’s the only way for the voiceless (the dead, those too injured to speak) to be given voice.
thanks
http://cafety.youthrights.org/wiki/inde ... _Testimony (http://cafety.youthrights.org/wiki/index.php?title=Submit_Your_Testimony)
That's where we are collecting testimony for now.
Thank you. i cant find it through the cafety site. Further, and this is not to ungratefully critisize your efforts, should the testimony not be of the "sworn" variety, as that carries weight in a way simple messages on the internet does not?
thank you
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Thank you. i cant find it through the cafety site. Further, and this is not to ungratefully critisize your efforts, should the testimony not be of the "sworn" variety, as that carries weight in a way simple messages on the internet does not?
thank you
You are correct. However as nobody in CAFETY is a lawyer, judge, or a certified Notary we cannot certify "sworn" statements. Right now, this is a temporary fix in light of the original website not being functional. We will be adding this feature to our new site as the site designer programs it.
If you have a story, please feel free to post it on this wiki page or just type/write it. Or you can hold off until we have the website back at 100% and post it then. Whatever works for you.
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Thank you. i cant find it through the cafety site. Further, and this is not to ungratefully critisize your efforts, should the testimony not be of the "sworn" variety, as that carries weight in a way simple messages on the internet does not?
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Submit your testimony link has been posted here:
http://cafety.org/involvement (http://cafety.org/involvement)
With regards to sworn statement: Nah, not necessary. Once its submitted to the Senate, it will become public record though. This is the main purpose of the wiki site. Just like one would normally submit testimony to a public official, no sworn statement required. Not testifying under oath.
Once CAFETY has the community feature up, people will be able to blog and such. There will be a public profile and program list/dates, relevant information available for public consumption - at the users discretion.
And, fyi, CAFETY does have lawyers involved in the organizations:
Phil Elberg and Michelle Callner
http://cafety.org/board-of-advisors (http://cafety.org/board-of-advisors)
Also CAFETY has worked with attorneys at Bazelon Center for Mental Health Law and Policy and MDRI. That's niether here nor there, though.
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http://www.isaccorp.org/kidshelpingkids.asp (http://www.isaccorp.org/kidshelpingkids.asp)
Down at the bottom you'll see a sample of a federal declaration form. It needs no notary and is considered a legal document to the best of my knowledge.
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Top shelf job. Very well done indeed
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Cafety always seemed more on the ball than this site as far as getting regulation going in the right direction. Kudos to cafety and welcome back!
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Cafety always seemed more on the ball than this site as far as getting regulation going in the right direction.
Horseshit.... Screw you for claiming something like that on here. :on phone:
Fornits rules!!! :fuckoff:
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Cafety always seemed more on the ball than this site as far as getting regulation going in the right direction. Kudos to cafety and welcome back!
Well, of course. That would appear to be part of their focus. They are a different type of organization than fornits (which isn't really an organization anyway).
More importantly, what was your point in posting that statement? Re-opening some sensitive areas for some fornits posters? Seeding dissension and mistrust between fornits and Cafety? What better way to obfuscate the real issue and hinder progress, eh?
I would suggest incorporating some prune juice into your diet.
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Cafety always seemed more on the ball than this site as far as getting regulation going in the right direction.
Horseshit.... Screw you for claiming something like that on here. :on phone:
Fornits rules!!! :fuckoff:
I don't see CAFETY making any claims about Ken Huey's good intentions, or doing his bidding regarding moderation of their forums, or going to speak at Natsap, no less. Where's the vomit emoticon?
Ah, well, nothing can be perfect, I supose.
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Cafety always seemed more on the ball than this site as far as getting regulation going in the right direction. Kudos to cafety and welcome back!
Well, of course. That would appear to be part of their focus. They are a different type of organization than fornits (which isn't really an organization anyway).
More importantly, what was your point in posting that statement? Re-opening some sensitive areas for some fornits posters? Seeding dissension and mistrust between fornits and Cafety? What better way to obfuscate the real issue and hinder progress, eh?
I would suggest incorporating some prune juice into your diet.
Agreed, divisive and inaccurate analogy. Fornits is the main forum, made up of a series of posts, related to the teen industry. It is what it is because of the people who come here to share their experience and debate. It is not an organization b/c, well, there is no consensus and no organizing done here. As a forum, it has helped inform the public and helped people connect. Without Fornits there would be no CAFETY. I'm grateful that Fornits existed, particularly at a time when I was trying to make sense of my own experiences. It was the impetus to me trying to take organizing and advocacy to the next level.
CAFETY does not compete with fornits, nor any other organization for that matter. Fornits is quite complimentary to advocacy work at large, and CAFETY's specifically. Many posters here and other forums have volunteered significant time and energy to CAFETY, while others have disagreed, or otherwise not found their home in CAFETY - for numerous reasons related to CAFETY's approach and/or advocacy positions and seek to pave their own way in a more decentralized manner or along side other orgs. There's no right way... there's just difference. Hopefully, where one strategy fails, another will pick up where the other falters - in action, we all work basically to plug in the holes... Or sadly, in some cases, to create more.
Obviously, I found an approach in CAFETY that best suits me and others seem to have found the same (which is great and what grassroots organizing is all about). At the end of the day, finding what best suits us is all each of us can do.
my 2 cents.
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Cafety always seemed more on the ball than this site as far as getting regulation going in the right direction.
Horseshit.... Screw you for claiming something like that on here. :on phone:
Fornits rules!!! :fuckoff:
I don't see CAFETY making any claims about Ken Huey's good intentions, or doing his bidding regarding moderation of their forums, or going to speak at Natsap, no less. Where's the vomit emoticon?
Ah, well, nothing can be perfect, I supose.
Curious, why do you think speaking at NATSAP is a bad idea?
I know why I do and have more of less noted it, but wondering what is of concern to others.
Beyond that, I feel compelled to say that there's a way to express disagreement w/o being disrespectful/sarcastic. I get that this is not the standard set by most on fornit, we all know this... which it the primary reason I stay away from the toxicity... but doesn't that it get old?
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Cafety always seemed more on the ball than this site as far as getting regulation going in the right direction.
Horseshit.... Screw you for claiming something like that on here. :on phone:
Fornits rules!!! :fuckoff:
I don't see CAFETY making any claims about Ken Huey's good intentions, or doing his bidding regarding moderation of their forums, or going to speak at Natsap, no less. Where's the vomit emoticon?
Ah, well, nothing can be perfect, I supose.
Curious, why do you think speaking at NATSAP is a bad idea?
I know why I do and have more of less noted it, but wondering what is of concern to others.
Beyond that, I feel compelled to say that there's a way to express disagreement w/o being disrespectful/sarcastic. I get that this is not the standard set by most on fornit, we all know this... which it the primary reason I stay away from the toxicity... but doesn't that it get old?
I think any noted “survivor's” presence will be exploited by NATAP to gain credibility. I think any notable survivor publicly treating them like a group of reasonable people interested in helping people—which is what will happen during this meeting—will have the unfortunate effect of bestowing on them credibility.
I also think NATSAP is a collection of predators working together to promote the desires of predators. Meeting with NATAP would be like meeting with the leaders of various heads of child-slaving companies. Nothing good can possibly come of it. The predators are not suddenly going to see "the light."
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Cafety always seemed more on the ball than this site as far as getting regulation going in the right direction.
Horseshit.... Screw you for claiming something like that on here. :on phone:
Fornits rules!!! :fuckoff:
I don't see CAFETY making any claims about Ken Huey's good intentions, or doing his bidding regarding moderation of their forums, or going to speak at Natsap, no less. Where's the vomit emoticon?
Ah, well, nothing can be perfect, I supose.
Curious, why do you think speaking at NATSAP is a bad idea?
I know why I do and have more of less noted it, but wondering what is of concern to others.
Beyond that, I feel compelled to say that there's a way to express disagreement w/o being disrespectful/sarcastic. I get that this is not the standard set by most on fornit, we all know this... which it the primary reason I stay away from the toxicity... but doesn't that it get old?
I think any noted “survivor's” presence will be exploited by NATAP to gain credibility. I think any notable survivor publicly treating them like a group of reasonable people interested in helping people—which is what will happen during this meeting—will have the unfortunate effect of bestowing on them credibility.
I also think NATSAP is a collection of predators working together to promote the desires of predators. Meeting with NATAP would be like meeting with the leaders of various heads of child-slaving companies. Nothing good can possibly come of it. The predators are not suddenly going to see "the light."
Cafety always seemed more on the ball than this site as far as getting regulation going in the right direction.
Horseshit.... Screw you for claiming something like that on here. :on phone:
Fornits rules!!! :fuckoff:
I don't see CAFETY making any claims about Ken Huey's good intentions, or doing his bidding regarding moderation of their forums, or going to speak at Natsap, no less. Where's the vomit emoticon?
Ah, well, nothing can be perfect, I supose.
Curious, why do you think speaking at NATSAP is a bad idea?
I know why I do and have more of less noted it, but wondering what is of concern to others.
Beyond that, I feel compelled to say that there's a way to express disagreement w/o being disrespectful/sarcastic. I get that this is not the standard set by most on fornit, we all know this... which it the primary reason I stay away from the toxicity... but doesn't that it get old?
I think any noted “survivor's” presence will be exploited by NATAP to gain credibility. I think any notable survivor publicly treating them like a group of reasonable people interested in helping people—which is what will happen during this meeting—will have the unfortunate effect of bestowing on them credibility.
I also think NATSAP is a collection of predators working together to promote the desires of predators. Meeting with NATAP would be like meeting with the leaders of various heads of child-slaving companies. Nothing good can possibly come of it. The predators are not suddenly going to see "the light."
Yea... word. Hm. Though I think Mike and Ginger are simply testing out the waters, with some advocacy idea in tow, but more or less are looking to share their experiences ( I think?). Looking to reach a few moral minds, not really change NATSAP.
I think what you say is mostly true (re: child predators), and that such folks wouldn't make up so much of their membership AND leadership if they were in the place to make serious changes. If CAFETY's were to present at NATSAP (which I'm pretty sure will happen one day), my suggestions to my colleagues would be that a discussion be had around such concerns occur BEFORE presenting, for the reasons you mention above. This has been my concern re: initiating any dialogue w/ NATSAP, much less presenting at a conference. W/o thorough research that includes understanding of the politics of other orgs that resemble NATSAP and some level of sophistication and savvy in that respect, advocacy efforts and suggested change will lose credibility.
It is not in CAFETY's interest to engage w/o being prepared to move beyond our typical advocacy positions to discuss NATSAP's strategic position and inferiority, having some data to present with well thought our recommendations.
The one point that I may disagree with you on, though not quite yet (NATSAP may prove me wrong) is NATSAP may be an org whose practices can be addressed with some degree of receptivity. And that some degree I suspect will be very little, having working w/ CAFETY and observed other trade orgs that are FAR more child friendly that NATSAP and yet seeing significantly disappointing lack of follow through. I think strategically they have to be ready (I don't think they are) and so do advocates (I haven't heard anything that would convince me this is the case either, though we're prepared to address other groups - NATSAP is like the Cartman, from South Park, of rep trade orgs). I think other orgs have to board the change train as well... Basically, I think the landscape of youth residential programs trade orgs have to be rapidly headed towards the point of convergence - as the BBI is working towards, but seems to still require the growth of an organized movement to push it along. In conjunction with this, work must be done around ensuring EVERY community has care services available... b/c w/o that, programs are catering to the demands of stressed out parents and certainly NATSAP will shrug and say: 'supply, demand'. While this may be temporarily 'ok' if we somehow get them to work towards ameliorating abuse, we still run into the problems that come from inappropriate, highly restrictive institutionalization and the dignity youth lose in that process - something they will never cease to participate in w/o legislative change and/or a change in demand.
Working to integrate consumers into their agenda is a start... but where NATSAP is I do suspect they're just throwing the dog (survivors, in this case Ginger and Mike) a bone ... my fear is that it is a far more sinister that than... (the noted hope he won't even notice that there's no meat on it...)
CAFETY will hold off a year, at least. Maybe more. We'll be in the position to better assess where they're at and what makes sense after the IECA conference. We'll also have data, the support of additional members and real sustainability funding when that time comes.
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Well, first of all, great job on the website. When I have more time, I will definitely keep up with how things are going there and check into it more in depth.
Kat, You said:
"CAFETY will hold off a year, at least. Maybe more. We'll be in the position to better assess where they're at and what makes sense after the IECA conference. We'll also have data, the support of additional members and real sustainability funding when that time comes."
I appreciate your viewing the larger picture and the scope of this problem. Good strategy.
Also, it is easy to get caught up in the "Fornits shuffle", arguing in circles with anonymous posters. It can get pretty silly. I am learning to stay away from anything that creates dissent and distracts from strategies that may be effective. I am glad someone (Ursus) stated it in a similar fashion. The bear has a way with words.
I agree, Fornits is a fantastic forum. It was the first line of communication for me when I went searching for KHK info and it connected me to people who were in the know and helped me tremendously. Without those connections I would have not been able to know where to start in speaking out. Fornits offers news, a place for new survivors and a place to keep up when we have time. It's not perfect but I am starting to think that I wouldn't change it for fear that some of the good would leave. My opinions change based upon considering ideas and how angry I get at trolls posting garbage, but at this point I wouldn't change things if it were up to me.
The troubled teen Industry is complicated and I am happy to see so many different grassroots approaches to putting an end to the horrible abuses within these programs. I agree, it seems to be complimentary. So maybe there is real solidarity after all even though it may not appear that way sometimes. Why do I feel as if I am in barbaric Europe in 600 AD?
I think I am lucky to have stepped into the fight when I did. It seems that there is a lot of activity that wasn't present before I started to get involved.